So Andrew Anglin, the lovable hateful scamp behind the Anime Nazi internet tabloid The Daily Stormer, seems to be going all Men’s Rights Activist on us. In a post last week, Anglin offered his own take on a rather old argument, declaring that women need to have the vote taken away from them — for their own good.
As Anglin sees it, “allowing women to vote is the behavior of a woman-hater,” because women — like the overgrown children they are — can be easily duped into voting against their own interests. By which Anglin means voting differently than he would.
In the Austrian election last month, Anglin reports with disgust, women were less likely than men to vote for far-right presidential candidate Norbert Hofer. “If women were not allowed to vote, Hofer would have won by a landslide,” Anglin sniffs.
As he sees it, Austrian women have “overwhelmingly voted for the invasion” of their once-proud white nation by not-so-white immigrants and refugees, who have repaid this bit of kindness from Austria’s women by turning around and raping them.
“It is women who are perhaps suffering most from this invasion,” Anglin declares.
They are the ones getting raped the most (little boys are also victimized regularly). They are being murdered more than men. They are much more likely to get robbed on the street. …
[I]f you support women’s suffrage, you also support the mass rape of our women by Moslems.
But it’s men, not women, who are ultimately responsible for this mess, Anglin suggests, because women don’t really know any better. And how could you expect them to? They’re just women.
If someone gives children explosives, knowing they will blow themselves up, because of some weird and nonsensical moral system, who is responsible for the deaths of the children?
The children? Or the adults who gave them the explosives?
Just so, if someone gives women the right to vote, knowing based on easily available statistics that those women will vote to get gang-raped by Moslems, who is responsible for these gang-rapes?
And who then is the hater of women: the one who enables the gang-rapes by allowing women to vote for gang-rapes or the one who prevents the gang-rapes by disallowing women to vote for gang-rapes?
Ultimately, Anglin suggests, the blame for women suffrage should be laid at the feet of … wait for it … THE JEWS. Feminism, Anglin declares, is a central “part of the Jewish agenda.”
Later in the post, Anglin elaborates further on what he calls “the diabolical Jew-feminist agenda,” warning his readers that
the Jew concept of feminism has been at the core of the destruction of our society, both by empowering emotional women to dictate social norms according to female morality and by disempowering men, forcing them to adopt female values and become impotent and weak.
Anglin even manages to work in a mini-rant on the alleged inability of feminist men to score with the hot babes. Like a lot of alt-righters, he seems to have trouble distinguishing real life from cuckold porn.
I have never met a male feminist who was successful with women. In fact, the opposite is true: beta white knight cucks who shill for feminists tend to be completely incapable of getting laid. If they ever do get a woman, she is simply leeching them for resources while having sex with other men.
Naturally, Anglin turns to tired evo-psych fairy tales about our caveman ancestors in an attempt to back up his Cuck Theory of male feminism.
Just as men are attracted to tight butts and big breasts, women are attracted to power and an ability to dominate. This is because that is what protects them and their children.
All human behavior is based on evolutionary biology.
Naturally Anglin can’t help but throw in a weird but standard evo-psych apologia for rape.
A sensitive guy has a value of absolute zero in the natural world. If ever a sensitive man existed in the natural world, and somehow managed to land a hot babe, he would be immediately attacked and killed and his woman would be taken by a powerful man. And the woman would be happier for it, because she would be better protected by the man who stole her, and given stronger children by him.
Yeah, women just love it when men murder their partners, then kidnap and rape them.
Somewhat ironic, isn’t it, to see this argument coming from a guy who thinks we should deny women the vote — in order, supposedly, to protect them from rape.
But Anglin remains sufficiently in touch with reality to know that women’s suffrage isn’t going away any time soon. “We are not actually going to ban women from voting,” he writes.
In order to do that, we would have to have control of society, at which point we will just abolish the concept of democracy in its entirety.
Spoken like the true Trump fan he is.
Even if you follow his thought-train down into the fetid, stinking rabbit-hole that is his premise, you end up with a contradiction (warning–this is going to be a thought-exercise examining the mindset of an utterly abhorrent human being):
According to Anglin, evo-psych teaches that women desire being dominated and forced into sexual relations. He also claims that Muslims are coming to Europe and America in order to rape the women.
Does he REALLY mean to suggest that Middle-Eastern Muslim men are more evolutionarily ‘fit’ than Western Anglos?
Yeah, doesn’t look like he thought that through. What a load of horseshit.
Sounds like somebody’s mad there are brown people who are More Alpha Than Thou.
So, women will vote against their self interest because they aren’t rational actors, unlike manly mans who are in fact completely rational actors?
Anglin and all the derps who line up behind his evopsych ideology sound like lazy undergraduate science students who took an economics option, and then skipped half the classes. First thing they tell you is that they assume that people are rational actors when making economic decisions. Second thing they tell you is that no one is actually a rational actor.
And then he drags out the battered corpse of the “women actually like to be dominated” argument, cementing his position as clueless solipsist. He has no concept of human beings outside of his rational-actor fantasy, where everything rational happens to align with his personal male power fantasy.
Humans aren’t driven by rationality, that’s a thin smear of inefficient, ineffective pattern recognition, like a thin glaze of lemon over the heavy coffee-cake of what makes us human. We are driven by the firm sugar-boiled walnuts of passion and desire, the tender sweet apple-slices of love and the bitter coffee of apprehension. Sure, the lemon is what you taste first when you bite in, but it’s everything else that sustains us.
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(I’m hungry)
In 2015, a senior ISIS commander was murdered by one of his Yazidi sex slaves. Wonder why she would do a thing like that, when that powerful man gave her a chance to live out some Gorean-type idyll. Evil Jewish feminists must have put her up to it.
rape doesn’t happen because of voting or not voting
it happens because there are rapists, it’s very simple.
Real talk, he cares more about securing a rape monopoly, than protecting real women from rape.
Maybe we women aren’t afraid of everything that moves. Maybe we are able to see a Muslim guy and get to know him as an individual and not a caricature threat to humanity. Maybe our superior social skills allows us to develop human associations called ‘friendships’. Maybe we don’t see our (sometimes) victimization along the way of living as a “resource grab” away from sad lonely entitled men. Every day, we encounter #WishfulRapists who do not fit the description of the people #WishfulRapists keep warning us about 😛
Well, this argument ate its own tail.
@Imaginary Petal
It’s like an ouroboros, but with added hatred, anti-Semitism and barely suppressed cuckoldry fetishism. ô.Ô
I’d like to know who gave this person access to a computer, knowing he would blow himself up with weird, immoral arguments. That was pretty irresponsible of them.
You know, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and speculate that sensitive guys actually do quite well, because they aren’t constantly picking street fights and diving into 2 feet of water to prove their manhood.
Reproductive success means not only living to reproductive age, but also ensuring that your offspring survive to reproductive age. You know, stuff like supporting your kids financially, and not abandoning them at birth with the smug assumption that some “beta cuck” will raise them instead. I don’t know where alt-righters get this weird idea that all women want to have babies with caddish alphas who won’t stick around to help raise them. Even under their own reductionist Stone Age theory of gender relations, that makes zero sense.
@Scildfreja – If evo psych has taught us anything about cave brunches, it’s that evolution (being sentient, and having a master plan for human development) prefers to lick the lemon glaze off and throw away the rest.
He’s all but saying that we need to rape and abuse women to protect them from rape and abuse. I’m mildly curious at what he thinks that he’s really saying, but only mildly because I suspect that it’s not much better than it sounds like.
Just when you think the manosphere has finally reached the ground floor of Hell, Andrew Anglin finds the sub-basement.
Hmph! Evolution is not invited to my tea! How rude!
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@ buttercup
This is a genuine conversation from one of our recent pier jumping sessions:
So, for some of us, it’s about idiocy rather than machismo.
… Wait. Waaaiiit. I think I get it. Marital rape is not a “real” thing right? Martial abuse probably isn’t either. So if you’re in a relationship with a guy, the you consent to having anything done to you, even if you didn’t consent to the relationship in the first place. And it’s only a real relationship if you’re with a white alpha male who would keep his property (you) from being used by other men. This counts as a form of protection.
So basically being abused when you only have one abuser makes women happy because evopsych, so it doesn’t count as abuse. Y’all be scary, manosperians.
So like if a woman were to murder a guy with a wheel brace, she wouldn’t be responsible because who let her out and who let her near tools? Does Anglin really want to live in a world where no woman ever is responsible for her actions because we aren’t capable of it?
(Lurker making what I expect to a be a one-off comment)
Somebody in the comments a few days ago mentioned that horrible Stanford rape case, where the father of the rapist made an incredibly callous and clueless statement about it and the judge’s sentence was way too lenient. Now there’s a petition to recall that judge that’s getting a lot of publicity and signatures. I thought I’d give it a signal boost here: Remove Judge Aaron Persky from the Bench.
The judge is unopposed for reelection, so the petition probably won’t actually remove him, but a protest is a protest. Here’s a story that lays out a lot of the reasons why the judge’s decision was awful: Judge Who Coddled Stanford Rapist Brock Turner Once Ran as Tough on Rape.
There is also a “Brock Turner for 2016 Olympics” Facebook page that’s full of the kind of manosphere language we’re so familiar with on this site, complete with celebration of Trump. I don’t recommend reading that page, or even reading about it, if you have blood pressure problems, but I bring it up because it’s yet another example of the relationship between Trump support and the manosphere. The Trump campaign is fascinating, in its horrifying way, as proof of intersectionality. It collects America’s obsession with wealth and greed, its racism, and its misognyny into one giant pustule.
Evolutionary psychology is already a crock, but the evo psych as understood by the alt right is especially a crock because the alt right is so immature that they’ve replaced “procreate” as the point of all life with “have sex” and think that they haven’t changed the argument at all.
The point of all life is to have sex, guys. Anything is justifiable, who cares about consequences or building long-term relationships with other beings. Just fuck around, literally, and you win!
@Cyberwulf
Men like Anglin don’t think of the possibility of being murdered by women – that’s also why he thinks sensitive men can’t get anywhere. He’s never had to tone down his behavior for fear of what it might do to himself or others, because he’s never had a reason to be honestly afraid.
EDIT: Also, he probably thinks that men who are victims of violence committed by women aren’t really men to begin with *shudder*
So no women were raped in Austria before the recent influx of refugees? And no white men anywhere have ever participated in gang rape?
Yeah, right.
Humanity has spent all of recorded history and then some trying to master this ‘natural world.’ Yet these BS evopsych arguments always want to unfavorably compare the world we’ve built to it. Even IF their arguments were valid, that’s what we’ve spent ages trying to escape from. If that’s what they want, let them live in trees.
It’s news to me that Judaism is somehow intrinsically feminist or pro-feminism.
Wow. He just directly compared Muslims to explosives. I can’t even make a joke about it. That is seriously offensive.
What he’s saying is that white Christian men should control every aspect if women’s lives because we’re theirs to rape and abuse. Not the property of brown, black, or Jewish men. He can’t conceive of a reality in which we belong to ourselves, not men.
Gosh. We just celebrated our 20th anniversary. However did I manage to survive in this world with a sensitive feminist man as my monogamous marital partner?
Just where do you start with this rambling?
@Scildfreja, now I want lemon drizzle cake and I don’t have any. Which is clearly all your fault (and probably has something to do with misandry even if I have no idea what).
@Snowberry
Sounds like that’s exactly what he’s saying; the “to protect them from rape and abuse” bit is just tacked-on window-dressing.
Wait a minute. If we accept the following propositions:
1. Women seek to be dominated by men, and
2. Middle Eastern men are more domineering of women than Western men,
Then doesn’t it make complete logical sense that women in the west would vote to improve immigration by Middle Eastern men to western Europe? Aren’t western women the most logical beings here; using their political power to ensure their desired subjugation?
I mean, unless the propositions re. female desires for submission and Middle Eastern male domination aren’t actually as water-tight as the racist dumbass in the source material thinks they are.
15 here. And my partner is a librarian, to boot. Married to a scientist. We’ve turned the world so upside down it’s disgusting – guess I need to look around for an alpha male to rape and kidnap me so I’ll understand how awful my life has been to now.
@ Imaginary Petal
Impossible. His argument doesn’t have a head, only two assholes.
Austrian family values, Anglin-approved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case
Before all the raping Muslims moved in.
edit: Obviously, most Austrians were appalled. But it does seem like exactly what Anglin thinks men should be able to do with their property if they want.
Now that I think more of it, it’s not just the evopsych doods. I’ve got a coworker who is old-right and years ago, there was a guy with an eyebrow piercing. This coworker obsessed over it, going over and over how it would be a liability in a fight… and all I could think of was why that was even important? I just dont kive my life preparing for if a fight breaks out.
And now I’m thinking of all the MGTOW apocalypse fantasies where they come out on top and decent humans somehow all die or something. Just weird.
@Policy of Madness
Well, actually … I’d say there are aspects of Judaism that, while not exactly feminist, are nevertheless less misogynist than what you see in many other religions. For one thing, Judaism recognizes women as sexual beings and imposes upon married men an obligation to sexually please their wives. It prohibits marital rape or using sex (or the witholding of sex) for manipulative or punitive purposes. Premarital sex is considered bad, but Judaism does not place the same kind of mechanical, ritualistic importance on physical virginity that many strands of conservative Christianity do, nor does it treat a woman who engages in premarital sex as inherently tainted, ruined, etc. (only the Kohanim are explicitly limited to marrying virgins). There is much greater flexibility than in Christianity with regard to abortion, fertility treatments and birth control (I believe this is true of Islam as well). There is no imperative for women to unquestioningly obey men, spouses are considered partners. There is no strict division of labor within families, no aversion to women earning money outside the home or men doing childcare and housework. Sure, it’s not all roses, and the laws about ritual purity, hair-covering and separating the sexes are infuritating. But I still think Judaism (and that’s orthodox Judaism I’m talking about) is actually not as dehumanizing towards women as one might expect of a Bronze Age Mesopotamian religion.
@Zemyla
I strongly believe it’s possible to eat with your anus.
@iknklast
I weep for your 15 years of wedded bliss. I hope I have half your strength the next time I realize I sob! make more money than my husband. Somehow he doesn’t feel emasculated by that, and is still willing to take out the garbage (unless I do it instead).
David,
I’m getting an offensive transphobic ad in the around the Web section. It’s imploring me to click to find out which stars are transgender and there’s a photo of Julia Stiles for some reason as far as i know shes cis) and someone else I don’t recognize.
just… what… [incomprehensible screaming]
This kind of comes off as a threat to me.
“Either do what we say, or else you’ll be raped/beaten/otherwise mauled”.
Of course, they say that it’ll be those Eeeeviiiiillll Brown People who do it, but part of me knows, not that deep down, that the Nazi White Men would do it for shits and giggles, whether I was a Good Woman or not.
So, fuck it, I’ll take my chances with the immigration policy, instead of with the Evo-Psych Nazis.
Well my biggest beef here is he’s plagiarizing Judgybitch. He ought to at least give her credit.
@Alan – I hope you were the guy who said “Absolutely” in that scenario.
@IP
Chewing gum gets a little tricky.
So I’m wondering, if
then why are they not flocking to vote for Hofer in droves?
The constant flip-flopping between “women are too stupid to know that white male ownership is good for them” and “women naturally crave male ownership because it’s good for them” is giving me whiplash.
Also, if all sensitive men in the natural world were immediately attacked and killed as soon as they attempted to reproduce, wouldn’t that trait be exceedingly rare, even extinct, in humans?
Y’know, I always wondered what it would sound like if a pile of bat guano became sentient enough to talk.
I don’t wonder anymore.
I’m still always confused by the notion common to misogynists that women have underdeveloped brains that make us no more mature or wise than children, but we’re supposed to be solely responsible for raising and nurturing actual children. Not to mention surrogate mommying adult male partners by doing their laundry, cooking their meals and organizing their social calendar. If we’re not different than a five year old, isn’t it dangerous to allow us to use the oven and take care of infants? Shouldn’t we be playing with Barbies or watching the Disney Channel all day long while male guardians keep us out of danger?
Buttercup,
And why is that the sensitive gene has survived all these millenia despite being so maladaptive, yet the supposedly superior white genes are constantly threatened with complete extinction merely because some white women have interracial relationships and most of us don’t want to start popping out babies at age 18 anymore? Consistency, they don’t haz it.
Scildfreja: Publishing that picture was cruel.
Lunzie: The whole nation of Austria got raped. It was called Anschluss.
Had to stop reading this about 25% of the way through because I’ve had a long, frustrating day and woooooah buddy this pissed me right off. This dude is *clearly* using STEM logikz so hard, bruh.
I will note one positive side to this: Who knew Hitler could rock mom jeans so hard?
Ok [/snark]
@amused – Christianity is often very flexible regarding abortion, fertility treatment and birth control, I think it’s Catholicism you may be thinking of – though certainly some Protestant groups adhere to ideas like that, too.
Just as in Christianity, in Judaism and in Islam there are more conservative factions which tend to seek to control women’s bodies. There’s actually very little in the Bible which says women shouldn’t have access to birth control. Even the Onan v. Tamar thing isn’t so much about not beating off but about property settlements.
“I have never met a male feminist who was successful with women.” I have never met a neo-nazi who’s been able to hold down a job. So I guess it all balances out. /s
As redundant a statement as it is; god I hate fascists.
Wha– HUH?! HOW???? WHERE IS THE CONNECTION???!!?
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Or jiggly butts and tiny breasts. Or neither. Or all of the above and a warm smile. Why do these people always think they have the gospel truth on hetero gynephilic attraction? Of course, tight/big is code for the ‘pure’ Scandinavian women he imagines when he jacks it. Nothing wrong with having a type, just let the rest of us jack it without pushing your persnickety preferences as fact