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Open Thread for Non-Personal Stuff, 5/16 Triumphant Hedgehog Edition

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A long overdue Open Thread for Non-Personal Stuff. (There’s also one for personal stuff.)

As always, no trolls or MRAs. Let me know if any show up.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ paradoxy and Robert

There’s a really good example of the use of heightening the contradictions in Heinlein’s “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” (which is a pretty good manual for revolutionaries generally)

***Spoiler***

In the story the ‘bad guys’ are clearly about to concede to a lot of the revolutionaries demands. The leaders of the revolution have to deliberately frustrate that in order to keep up the tension to gain a full revolution rather than a negotiated compromise.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@Moggie:
I am, of course, a hideously evil man. It is known.

Dalillama
4 years ago

@katz

See, I’m deeply wary of the attitude of “when things get bad enough, people will eventually do something about it.” Because historically, what people have done about it is put a lot of heads on pikes.

This actually one of my standard arguments for moderates: either we elect strong progressives, or we get heads on spikes. Possibly we get a fascist dictatorship and then heads on spikes, but that’s where massive inequality always ends up, sooner or later, unless it’s addressed some other way first.

@Alan

In the story the ‘bad guys’ are clearly about to concede to a lot of the revolutionaries demands. The leaders of the revolution have to deliberately frustrate that in order to keep up the tension to gain a full revolution rather than a negotiated compromise.

The thing is, there, that the revolutionaries can’t take the settlement, because the terms of it would create insurmountable problems in the very near future. Taking the settlement would’ve meant a total collapse of lunar agriculture within decades, leading to the certain deaths of the entire population. That wasn’t a matter of ‘heightening the contradictions’ that was a matter of cold brute reality.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago

Fantastic thread, everyone. Excellent links and as always lots of brain food on topics ranging far and wide. I’m feeling happy and expansive this morning (it’s finally looking like winter has arrived, please let it be so); the kittens are playing; teaching is almost over for the semester … I really love being part of this blog community and I love that it’s not an echo chamber like some have been.

And, pretty amazing news! The state of Victoria here in Aust. has issued a formal government apology to those convicted under previous anti-gay laws (apparently it’s the first time ever that a state has issued an apology on this). Also people can have their convictions expunged.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/05/28/victorias-apology-homosexual-criminality-laws/14643576003304?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The%20Saturday%20Briefing%20110&utm_content=The%20Saturday%20Briefing%20110%20CID_665e898ef42a44baf12bf64108ab7eef&utm_source=EDM&utm_term=READ%20MORE

The article is very moving. Kudos to the state premier for some seriously respectful comments.

katz
4 years ago

This actually one of my standard arguments for moderates: either we elect strong progressives, or we get heads on spikes. Possibly we get a fascist dictatorship and then heads on spikes, but that’s where massive inequality always ends up, sooner or later, unless it’s addressed some other way first.

FWIW, I’m far left myself, being a pinko commie sympathizer and all, I just think any politician is only as good as their ability to accomplish their goals within the system that exists, with the people who are there. Otherwise they’re just inciting the heads-on-pikes crowd by promising what they can’t deliver.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

@Bob: that Bloom County seems weird. I’d expect the rant about being muzzled to come from Binkleys’ DAD…

Bob
Bob
4 years ago

@Nequam
I think BB is making a point that the whole “we should say whatever the hell we want” is a very childish idea to begin with.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

Yeah, but if you remember the original comic, Bink’s dad was totally the straw macho conservative to Bink’s straw sensitive liberal.

I get the impression Breathed changed it up only because he couldn’t make the punchline work if the roles were as usual.

guy
guy
4 years ago

Anti-choice groups use targeted advertising to send ads to women considering abortion. Due to how new location tracking systems are, this is presently perfectly legal.

Additionally, while there is no evidence that anyone has done so to date, the article lists a number of ways they could tie advertising profiles to specific identities of patients or clinic workers. It’s highly advisable to not bring phones to clinics or if that is not possible, to switch off location services.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

Um, I think I must be losing it – I could have sworn that I posted a general question somewhere around here about any experiences/opinions people might happen to have wrt drugs for ADHD (stattera vs ritalin) but now I can’t find it – or remember which thread.
Maybe it went into moderation, or got eaten by gremlins???

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ opposable thumbs

I haven’t seen it. And I’ve gone through all the posts today (been one of those nightmare days at work).

Sometimes WordPress does seem to eat things.

guy
guy
4 years ago

Haven’t seen it.

I take Ritalin; my experience is that it is indeed a heavy appatite suppressent and can throw off my sleep schedule, especially if I take it late, but it is pretty effective.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Damn those gremlins!

I take Concerta, which is a modified form of Ritalin. I tolerate it really well, but individual responses seem to be highly variable. I’ve never taken Strattera, so I’m afraid I can’t help with that. It’s the non-stimulant one, right?

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

Strattera is atomoxetine hydrochloride; I think you’re right Viscaria about it being the non-stimulant one.

It does seem to be quite individually variable, how people respond, from what you say and what I’ve heard elsewhere agrees.

Close relative of mine is currently on Strattera; as they’re two different drug groups and both are commonly prescribed, it occurred to me that there might possibly be someone who’s got thoughts about the pros and cons of one vs t’other.

Thank you!

(yes, looks like my earlier comment might have got eaten 🙂 )

nrex
nrex
4 years ago

Too lazy to see if it’s been mentioned upthread, but Mic put out a story about the use of (((echos))) as racist dogwhistles for the alt-right. The story also mentions our old friend Milo Yiannopoulos, who tweeted an anti-Trump story he found on Mic last week and unleashed some racist replies using the ((())) against a Jewish staff member of Mic.

Here’s the link. Interesting read, as I have never heard of the use of ((())) before.

littleknown
littleknown
4 years ago

I saw that (((echoes))) article. Disturbing stuff. One of the U.S.’s two major political parties has as its nominee someone who is worshipped by these people. And he can’t be troubled to tell them off.

And Paul Ryan just endorsed him. Because of course he did. Because apparently the most important thing about being a Republican today is to be a coward.

In other news, Johnny Depp is a apparently an abusive asshole. (Or, according to his lawyer, Amber Heard is just making up the physical abuse ’cause she wants his money.)

Sigh.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@littleknown

CN: biphobia, trans erasure

According to the media, it’s her fault for being bi and having lesbian friends, making him suspicious that he’s cheating on her. It’s really gross and I saw a guy on a feminist site ‘splaining to a bi person that bi people can’t be happy in monogamous relationships because they’ll always miss the aspects of the other sex from the one they’re in a committed relationship with. I haven’t checked if those comments were removed, but I was so. freaking. angry. after reading that bullshit.

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

It’s really gross and I saw a guy on a feminist site ‘splaining to a bi person that bi people can’t be happy in monogamous relationships because they’ll always miss the aspects of the other sex from the one they’re in a committed relationship with.

This doesn’t even make sense. If you’re a straight woman and you like both dark haired and blond guys and wind up in a monogamous relationship with a blond man, wouldn’t that mean you can’t be happy with your relationship because you miss dating/sex with dark haired men? You could say this about any relationship. Anyone could potentially miss being with other types of people when they’re in a monogamous relationship. It’s hardly exclusive to bi people.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@wwth
Exactly. And even if you think it’s somehow about desire for specific sex acts, that’s something you might miss if you’ve only ever had a specific gender partner, too. Your partner might not be into all the stuff you’re into; that doesn’t mean you’re going to leave them for someone who is into that.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

According to the media, it’s her fault for being bi and having lesbian friends, making him suspicious that he’s cheating on her.

My ex boyfriend’s abuse was definitely related to my bisexuality. It was not my fault.

That (((echoes))) thing is absolutely awful.

Dalillama
4 years ago

A quick heads up to anyone here who’s involved at all in organized atheism/skepticism, it has come to my attention that one Dan Linford, prominent skeptical philosopher and ersatz feminist, is in fact a predatory shithead, and should be avoided.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Regular viewers will know of my “Grrrr!” attitude whenever anyone suggest ‘girls can’t fight’; so I was grateful to a friend for sending me this.

(Don’t worry, it was all very consensual)

https://youtu.be/1xFWyyTx86w

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

I should stress that in the above encounter the guy wasn’t trying to be an asshole or prove a point or anything. His mates put him up to it just to see how he got on.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@Dalillama

Thanks. My wife told me about this earlier today.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

Muhammad Ali died.

Dalillama
4 years ago

@Littleknown

Because apparently the most important thing about being a Republican today is to be a coward.

No, it’s to be a fascist shithead.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Thanks for the heads up, Dalillama.

@Viscaria:
Hugs. The nice hugs, with non-anti-semitic brackets. You’re a great person and didn’t deserve that shit. Nobody does.

ryeash
ryeash
4 years ago

So…I came across this lovely Facebook page blatantly supporting rape (with graphic memes to boot!) and reported it and the worst of the memes on it.

https://www.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

It’s a “support” page for that ex-Stanford rapist trash that was recently given a slap on the wrist. You’ll never guess what Facebook decided! Apparently posting a picture of (TW) a guy with his pants down on top of a passed-out girl that says (paraphrased, I’m currently shaking with rage and don’t care to tab back to the Facebook page to get the exact quote) “It’s all fun and games until some do-gooder steps in” doesn’t violate Facebook’s policies. Literally condoning rape doesn’t violate Facebook’s policies.

ej
ej
4 years ago

If anyone would like to send some thoughts, prayers, good vibes, etc. my way, it would be really appreciated. My mom just went into surgery to replace a valve in her heart. They are doing it all through a catheter, so they don’t have to do actual open heart surgery, but it’s still surgery and she’ll be in the hospital for at least a few days.

I am also currently stuck in a building on campus because my internet went out at home. The building closes at 9 and I’m hoping the internet will be back up by then. It’s the only way I have to communicate with my family back in America, so I really need to have an internet connection tonight.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ ej

Sending thoughts your mum’s way.

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

Best wishes for you and yours, ej.

ej
ej
4 years ago

Thanks Alan and pitshade. There’s not much I can do but wait right now. It’s frustrating to be so far away, even though I wouldn’t be able to do anything if I were there.

I also just realized that I accidentally hijacked the open thread for non-personal stuff. I must have clicked on the wrong one. Sorry about that.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

<3 ej! I hope it goes well! It's okay about the thread-jack, we will manage! 😉

ej
ej
4 years ago

Update:

My mom is out of surgery and it went well. She’ll be in the hospital for a few days, just to make sure everything is OK.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

I’m so glad to hear it! All the best to you and her.

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

Great news, ej!

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  ej

@ej – I saw your initial post this morning, came on now to wish you and your mum well, and saw your update 🙂
I hope she recovers well; wonderful news so far.