Over on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, the MGTOWs are MGTOWing it up like nobody’s business, trying to get to the bottom of what is perhaps the essential question of our age: When will mom bring down the pizza rolls?
Sorry, I mean: “Will feminism ruin society?”
The answers range from “it already has” to “IT ALREADY HAS” to “women … have to be harnessed like mules and forced to live out their lives in a way that doesn’t totally f*ck everything up and revert us back ten thousand years, otherwise we’re f*cked.”
There are so many gems that it’s hard to know where to start, so let’s start with the OP, Broken_Snowglobe, who plaintively asks: “Why do feminist think that they are oppressed?”
How is feminist formed / how girl think oppressed?
“Females have every right that a man has if not more,” Broken_Snowglobe continues, quickly revealing that he is a Man Going His Own Way Punctuation-Wise — a MGHOWPW. Try reading this next, er, sentence in one breath:
Females over the years have gotten greedy because let me say this men let females have rights keyword (LET) what feminism actually promotes is a movement that is pushing for female patriarchy when in reality if this goal is accomplished society with crumble at our feet it will cease to exist down to its very root.
I got as far as “crumble.”
Females these days are entitled they talk about men such as brad pit saying and I quote “We never have to worry about rape from men like brad pit” the female mind operates on parasitical terms the rich man will be considered superior to common man while on the hand the common is inferior.
Well, it’s good he’s got an exact quote here, which I have enshrined in the demotivational poster above.
The picture I used for it was originally a gif,and I feel I should post it here now just so all the straight guys reading this realize just what it is that we are all competing with.
But females don’t extend this courtesy to those of us who are not named Brad Pit. Or those of us not named Brad Pitt, either, I suspect.
Females label all common man as “rapist” I’m sure not a rapist odds are you aren’t either.
Females are pushing for rights when they have more rights they have an organization dedicated to female rights and needs.
It is so unfair that females have an organization dedicated to female rights and needs when females DON’T have an organization dedicated to male rights and needs, and males are expressly forbidden by law from forming an organization dedicated to male rights and needs and, hold on, I’m being told that men are not actually forbidden by law from starting their own organizations so wait a second Broken_Snowglobe what exactly are you complaining about here, that males are too lazy and incompetent to start their own organizations and also I’m pretty sure that there are male organizations devoted to male rights and needs but that they’re generally tiny and embarrassing because you know MEN AS A CLASS ARE NOT OPPRESSED.
Plus they have all marriage rights house half of you’re things etc….females are the devil and I encourage you to avoid them as much as possible. P.S Hide you’re monies friends or females will take that as well.
Just don’t hide your monies in a dirty sock because then mom, sorry I mean some other female that you’re banging, will find it when she’s doing your laundry!
Now it is certainly possible that Broken_Snowglobe, who has been a Redditor for all of one day, is actually a troll.
But this possibility has evidently not occurred to any of the regulars in r/MGTOW, or at least not to any of those who have replied to Mr. Snowglobe’s comments. Mostly because they agree with him.
Teflon0819, who has been a Redditor for far longer than a day, offers a serious and sincere response to Mr. Snowglobe’s possibly not so sincere wail of male anguish that helps us to understand other key issues with regard to feminists and civilization. Like, for example, the ways in which the “female imperative” is similar to a certain genre of Japanese porn.
Feminism won’t ruin society, but the feminine imperative will. Feminism is just one of its wriggly little tentacles.
When I mentioned to my octopus friend that she and her fellow octopuses were being used to make a ridiculous misogynistic argument in r/MGTOW, she made pretty clear she wanted no part of it.
Happily for her, Teflon0819 quickly dropped this metaphor for a new one, writing in the very next sentence that
Feminism will continue to be exposed for the toxic cesspool of bullshit that it is, but society will ultimately only shun the superficial label known as “feminism”, treating the symptom instead of the disease.
And then — sorry, octopuses! — he returned to his earlier metaphor:
The feminine imperative will simply shed the corrupted tentacle and grow a new one with a new label that people will rally behind.
Sooner or later civilization as we know it will fall, and men will be left to pick up the pieces and build a new civilization. Which in turn, once well-established will be hijacked by the feminine imperative once again and be led to ruin.
Huh. Do you have any historical examples in which a civilization fell because of an excess of “female imperative?”
I think the male instinct to protect, provide and compete for women – which is a perfectly natural biological process – inevitably breeds a destructive entitlement in women that leads to the downfall of civilizations in a never ending cycle.
Oh, it’s a never-ending cycle, then? If that’s true, there should be a whole bunch of examples. Alas, Teflon0819 offers none.
Five_Decades, presumably drawing on his five decades of experience, doesn’t think feminism will destroy civilization as such. After all, he notes, we’ve “survived famines, plagues, wars, government collapses.”
But he does think that a lot of women will end up really depressed once they realize how much they suck.
I predict a massive rise in misandry and unhappy women because women who themselves do not have much to offer are constantly being told they deserve to have the best of everything (best men, best relationships, best kids, best careers, best incomes, etc) when back in reality only a tiny, tiny minority of women have the skills and luck to deserve those things. And when they get disappointed one too many times, I’m sure they will (as a class) blame men for it. But it won’t end society.
Zegy kind of agrees:
I don’t think we are at the point of total collapse yet but we are getting to the point were feminism/SWJ are trying to censor our speech using shamming tactics …
How is men shammed / how boy get censor
… using shamming tactics like micro aggressions, mansplaing, hell even our physical actions such as manspreading, will this ruin or society this little things I doubt it; because Great men will continue to invent new things and shape this world regardless but the average male is only get more and more controlled
Men will survive the tyranny of getting dirty looks, once in a very long while, when they take up more than one seat on the subway!
But it is RandolphTheWarlock who offers the only real solution that will enable us to rebuild our already collapsed civilization. It involves harnesses.
We’ll get to that in a moment. First, Randolph explains just how it was that the wily female has brought our civilization down. Women start off “absolutely batshit crazy,” he explains, but the West has made them even worse with all of its female-coddling and whatnot:
Put [women] in an environment like the West where they’re coddled and worshipped and never have to worry about f*cking up because there’s always someone there to bail them out, and they become … not just crazy, not just bad women, but bad human beings.
It has been reported that all women need to do to get bailed out is to sit down in the street and cry.
I’d contend that they’ve already ruined our society. I’m only 34, but in just the last twenty years I’ve seen the US transition from a prosperous Mayberry with only a few serious urban blights, to a degenerated patchwork of ghetto sh*tholes spanning the entire nation, with a subsequent decline in the quality and character of both genders.
As someone who is, well, a teensy bit older than 34, I would like to ask: Did you grow up in the Truman Show or something?
Never mind, because it’s HARNESS TIME!
Sorry about that. Anyway, now is the time when Randolph talks about the harnesses:
As it turns out, oppressing women is absolutely vital to creating and maintaining a civilized human society. They have to be harnessed like mules and forced to live out their lives in a way that doesn’t totally f*ck everything up and revert us back ten thousand years, otherwise we’re f*cked.
MGTOW dudes, just go start your own damn civilization on an island somewhere already. To help expedite this process, I’ve gone ahead and picked out several possible islands for you. Well, technically speaking, I picked them out for Roosh V, but he has yet to claim any of them. So now’s your chance!
You’re welcome!
H/T — r/TheBluePill
@ sunnysombrera
If you want to replicate the experience, give a random stranger 25 quid, stand around in various services on the M25 for a couple of hours, then ask a policeman to make you go home or be arrested.
http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-if-pac-man-had-affected-us-as-kids-we-d-all-be-running-around-in-dark-rooms-munching-pills-and-marcus-brigstocke-213270.jpg
I am also 34, and that dude is full of shit.
Sorry, actual sociological and historical analysis of imperial collapse from an informed perspective is Cultural Marxism. Therefor you lose this argument.
You are a genius. The so-called MGTOW/Red Pill absolute solution to EVUL WYMYN is self-defeating. I could never see that coming by myself.
Also at first I read “reptilian” because I just got up. And then I chuckled a lot.
@Kat
His name is Gigolo Joe in the English version ? Woah. I always called him, well, just, Jude Law, because, well, Jude Law. To his credit, he’s really, really good at pulling “robot face” off. Sadly that’s one movie I’m not watching again anytime soon for reasons that don’t have much to do with the movie itself and my brain’s fucked up. Cloud Atlas it is then, when I can get me hands on it.
Kat: “(Brad Pitt) was very, very supportive when his wife had a double mastectomy…”
This reminds me of an article I once read, that collected twitter rantings on the subject of Angelina Jolie’s mastectomies. They fell into two categories. One was from people who saw this as karma for Jolie (allegedly) breaking up Pitt’s marriage with Jennifer Aniston. The only sensible reaction to this was “Why should you care so much?,” but these were actually the least offensive of the lot.
The other category consisted of messages from people (all men, one may safely assume) who could not understand why Jolie had had the procedure, given that she did not actually have breast cancer. Every article I saw on the subject made clear why–given her own and her family medical history, she was judged to be at extremely high risk of the disease, and this carried the further risk that the cancer would spread to other parts of her body–but the complainers simply could not comprehend this. All they could register was a woman without cancer had had a double mastectomy, and the only explanation they could come up for this was a feminist conspiracy to deny the world her breasts. Really. Multiple people expressed this idea.
In other words, he’s describing transitioning from a childhood spent sheltered in a suburb and then developing the attention span to sit through the news and realizing that the world outside the little cocoon he took for granted had problems, but in his head he feels like was making sage observations. Lordy.
How very lol. Here is evidence that exactly the opposite should happen, if at all (and nobody should be harnessed, male or female, but according to data if you had to harness one gender it’d apparently be men that’d get the collar).
https://hbr.org/2013/08/why-do-so-many-incompetent-men
http://www.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/economic-empowerment/facts-and-figures
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/upshot/nordic-nations-show-that-big-safety-net-can-allow-for-leap-in-employment-rate-.html?_r=0 (combined with http://news.stanford.edu/pr/96/961030gendergap.html )
@Sinkable John
…But I don’t really mind most reptiles. I would definitely prefer that the venomous ones and toothy-likely-to-rip-my-leg-off-if-has-a-chance kind are kept FAR away from me…which has been easily accomplished given where I live and the distinct lack of alligators/crocodiles or venomous snakes (I’d have to drive a good 30 minutes to arrive somewhere that I might encounter a rattlesnake, plus be into hiking) I’m not against letting them live out their reptile lives.
Redpillians, on the other hand…with that group, I have to admit, I entertain elaborate fantasies of seeing them launched into space without any means of survival or a ride back to Earth. They’ll be sowing the seeds for their own destruction by getting sexbots to successfully ‘pass’ as humans and the hardware of robots at the core. Synthetic flesh-like materials aren’t going to make Eva-the-sex-bot and her friends any less capable of inflicting major injury on actual human* MGTOWs.
*If they’re going to insist on claims about women being subhuman, I’m going to insist that it’s the redpillians who are lesser.
I love the term “redpillian”
“redpillian” –> “reptillian”
@msexceptiontotherule
There’s venomous snakes IN MY HOUSE these days. Namely viperines (according to the english version of the french wikipedia page that refers to the specific snake I’m talking about so it could be the wrong word). I try to shoo ’em out gently. I like to think that I’ll never have to be less gentle with redpillians because THERE’S NO WAY I’M LETTING ONE IN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. They’re toxic on a whole other level.
I am totally looking forward to the post apocalypse collapsed societies due to the female imperative. They can go do their mad max thing out in the desert; Im’a go join a farm commune.
I continue to be fascinated by the manospherian fellows who think feminism started, like, ten years ago. Or whenever it was that they first moved away from home and had to interact with women who didn’t wait on them like their helicopter moms did.
Paradoxy – Not to diss on MLP, but Rarity is flat out wrong; mules are marvelous and beautiful creatures!
@Shaenon: Right? Society should return to the good old days, when its mom did its laundry for it and the worst thing a man had to worry about was Mr. Sage’s strict classroom discipline.
Same here. I do believe we’ve had a similar discussion in the comments before about how I knew that I would be shit in a hunting party and such, and that means I would have to stay behind, but there were other things I could do like take care of kids and help with the farm/food garden, which are also important in a survival setting.
And I do believe someone else mentioned that these assholes would try to go all Immortan Joe and force women into their slave harem and promptly get shot for their troubles, because they believe they’re lone wolf ALPHUA MAILS who don’t play by your rules, feminists!
And they’d be considered a goddamn hazard to people who actually want to survive because they’re selfish assholes who want to be Post-Apocalypse Philosopher Kings, rather than realize they’re not the center of everyone’s universe.
Maybe that’s the reason they hated Mad Max: Fury Road so much. They got mad that the guy they identified with was brutally killed and defied at every turn.
To be fair to Rarity: She wasn’t saying that because she actually thought it (she interacts with mules, male and female, later in the series and doesn’t mention the fact they’re ugly at all), but rather because she wanted to annoy the Diamond Dogs more by crying and getting upset to force them to switch roles with her.
Rarity: Mistress of Mental Judo. It is known.
It’s not even STEM logic. I’m an *actual scientist*, and actual STEM logic suggests they’re full of shit. neurosciencenews.com/gender-equality-mating-preferences-3654/
Hmmm, this makes me think this guy has confused feminism with HYDRA. On the other hand Wolfgang Von Strucker probably treats women better than the typical MRA does, despite being a Nazi, so maybe there is a legitimate connection.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/483/894/463.jpg
@Sinkable John
Palaeartic vipers/Eurasian vipers? Their range is from N. Africa to just within the Arctic circle and Great Britain to Pacific Asia. There are some others but not many, and I have no idea what country you’re in to even attempt to figure out how the hell you’ve got VENOMOUS SNAKES IN THE HOUSE (*brief pause for a bit of panicked screaming*) unless you’re in a tropical or sub-tropical but close enough region and have lots of snake species around in general to worry about showing up in your toilet or along the base of your kitchen cabinets.
There are bees that have been industriously building their hive inside a cinder block wall at the back corner of the gated community I live in, I am allergic to bee stings, DO NOT WANT. And of course the homeowners association has to take their sweet time getting someone out to remove said bees so that no one is stung and neither are any dogs. That part of the community is where one of the entrances to the walking/jogging path loop and dog park is located. BEES. DO NOT WANT. 😛
Vipera berus (snake pic)?
They are fortunately from the most harmless end of venomous snakes, comparable to a wasp sting, which will of course suck if you’re in poor health or allergic, as it can then escalate from there. Fortunately they prefer to save their bites for things they can eat, like fish and rodents.
Or vipera aspis (again with snake pics)? Because that one, whoop, is a bit more troublesome indeed.
@msexceptiontotherule
I live in Auvergne, France, in a pretty rural area about 5 or 6 kilometers from Vichy (yeah, that Vichy). So vipers are not SUCH an uncommon sight. Wild woodland animals too. Some mornings you can actually see deer out the window while drinking your coffee, which is absolutely amazing. So I guess it should be expected that the snakes sometimes get inside the house. Last year I saw a baby one in my living room, ’twas so cute. Oh and lizards too. Big, big arse lizards.
@Skiriki
That’s not the one. The ones I’ve seen are brown with no pattern I could recognize but a white “collar” near their head. Firemen (not sure about other countries but in France they also handle other hazards like venomous animals and such) said they were vipers but didn’t elaborate.
Re : bees. Been living here for three years and I’ve never seen a single bee. I guess they really are disappearing ? Wasps and hornets though. Dammit, hornets the size of MICE. Saw one the other day and I probably would’ve run away screaming if I hadn’t been too busy unceremoniously grabbing my 4 yr old niece by the waist to rush her inside. And the spiders, OH GOD THE SPIDERS, I’m a big time arachnophobe and those things get pretty BIG here around September. Big enough that one time while sitting and reading in absolute silence I HEARD one walking by me. A very faint “tap tap tap”.
I wanna move to a city.
@John
Hold on, wait a se-
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Sinkable John:
Odd. That doesn’t sound like viper, more like natrix natrix (snake pic ahoy!). Which is totes harmless and cute. (Fun fact, in the past, Finns used to have these as household snakes, sort of living good luck charms/pets/familiars, and feed them to have their favor.)
Natrix maura? Its name is “viperine”, but it is not venomous.
Vipera seoanei? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_seoanei