Another HUGE VICTORY for Men’s Rights! Some guy on the internet told a woman that the term “mansplaining” is mean to men! And then he used the “c-word” a couple of times!
At first glance, this might not be seen as the HUGE VICTORY that it truly is, men’s rights-wise, but get this! The guy in question is the guy who made Minecraft! A VIDEO GAME that LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE. Which makes his opinion on this subject really really super important, for some reason.
Naturally, the fellas who hang out in the Men’s Rights subreddit understand what a TRIUMPH this is for men’s rights. There are currently three posts on this WORLD HISTORIC EVENT in the subreddit’s top ten.
Over in KotakuInAction,the main GamerGate hangout on Reddit, the regulars are if anything even more AWAKE to this monumental achievement for all mankind. They’ve got FOUR posts on it in their top ten.
So let’s check out the Minecraft dude’s carefully reasoned argument, which he Tweeted out yesterday.
You can tell he’s totally right about this, and also quite BRAVE, because he got 3700 likes and retweets for it.
Persson went on to explain his PERFECT MANLOGIC in more detail.
Ha ha! Because this explainy thing that men do to women constantly but that women do to men pretty rarely is equivalent to calling car crashes “womendriving” because, ha ha, women can’t drive and are responsible for 90% of all car crashes no wait, that’s not even remotely true; the demographic group that is responsible for far more than their share of accidents is teenagers.
When one Twitterer suggested it might perhaps behoove him to listen to women on this issue, Persson quickly saw through this MISANDRIST OPPRESSION of men who want to talk pretty much constantly.
Actually, Mr. Persson, as I have learned from years of doing this blog, there is no possible way to shut up men who want to inform you at great length of their opinions about feminism and what women are doing wrong. You can ban them from your comments, sure, but some of them will keep trying to post comments for months if not years afterwards.
And certainly Mr. Persson felt no need to shut up. Instead, he kicked his MANLOGICAL STEM LOGIC up a notch by unleashing the ultimate tool in the MANLOGICAL STEM LOGICKING toolkit. I refer, of course, to the c-word.
Here he applied the MANLOGIC STEM LOGICKING directly:
But don’t worry, gals! He’s totally got your back! He’s an EQUALITYIST who’s all for equality between the genders and not for sexism at all!
Huh. Apparently being into “equal rights and against sexism” requires one to go around calling women the c-word, which is TOTALLY NOT SEXIST because sometimes men get called “dick” which is TOTALLY the equivalent of the c-word., I mean it’s not like the c-word is widely considered the worst possible insult in the English language or anything.
Luckily, we have a KotakiInAction commenter called DaedLizrad to Gatersplain to us why it’s totally ok to refer to women with that special word.
Why is calling a man dick acceptable but dropping the c-bomb(seriously your too cowardly to use the word outside a quote?) is so reprehensible?
Its likely to be because of gynocentrism, even if you feminists refuse to accept(or even entertain the possibility) that society cares more about women than men you cannot convince me that feminists, both female and male, don’t clearly value women more than men, that is why treatment of a woman in the same exact way as a man is considered more abusive, because you don’t care about men as much as women.
You sit there and defend a sexist word designed to shame men for speaking to women about any topic, it is only used to tell men to shut up, like it was being used to there against Notch.
You sit there using and excusing gendered slurs against men while clutching your pearls screaming “think of the women” to the same treatment aimed at women, you feminists are all gynocentric and you c*nts can f*ck right off with your double standards.
Meanwhile, fellow KiAer Saddex took a moment of his time to let us in on what “mainsplaining” ACTUALLY is:
The thing with mansplaining is that, just with religion, it’s an unfalsefiable hypothesis. There is really no way to prove that it’s actually a real thing. Sure, might be a couple of assholes out there, but isn’t that same with women as well? Are you sure that if a man, or woman talks condescending to you, that it must be because of your gender? What about your personality, or the actual context? Did you say something just before that would be considered stupid by other people?…
I am going to treat people who tries to convince me that mansplaining actually is real thing like I treat people who try to convince me that god is real. You can believe if you wish but I rely on proof, and the burden of proof lies on the believer. It’s so satisfying to know that these people act just like religious extremists, should be compared to those and that you can use very similar argumentation to debunk what they’re saying.
Yes, what better way to debunk those ladies who get mansplained constantly than telling them they’re irrational fanatics who are seeing things that aren’t there, and that they probably brought this totally imaginary thing on themselves anyway by being such, well, the c-word thing.
All in all, an outstanding victory for the forces of Men’s Rightness and Ethics in Guys Who Make Video Games Calling Women the C-word.
Friends don’t let friends comment with low blood sugar.
@WWTH
Color me unbaffled 🙂
@kupo
Maybe this is cynical, but ain’t all charity like that to some degree? ‘Giving back’ is a common term ingrained into the idea of charitable work, and what’s that if not ‘I have resources, and I’d feel like a bad person, if I don’t toss some to the plebs’. It’s all a shield. This isn’t to disparage those who want to ‘be the good they want to see in the world’. That said, how many people would do anything at all for charity, if it didn’t, even a little, also justify their personal righteousness? Idk, but I’d venture the answer is: a lot fewer
Edit: my tablet’s keyboard actively hates me
If there were enough voices saying that it is masculine for a man to choose to be a househusband and helpmeet who serves his wife as homemaker and childcarer while she is the head of the household and brings in the money, SO MANY MEN WOULD PROBABLY DO IT.
Word, and also, friends don’t let friends comment when Boyfriend gets up to use the washroom and holy canoli, how are you back already?? I guess I’d better hit the Post Comment button, you speed peeing champion.
I know the following sounds like an Onion headline, but it’s genuine:
It’s Weird How People Correct Me When They Think I’m a Woman
So, that happened. A guy wrote an article, with his unambiguously male name in the byline, and a load of angry Internet dudes assumed he was a woman, and patronised “her”. Except for the people who corrected his one definitely wrong scientific statement: he says those mostly did so without misgendering. Curious.
Moggie,
I see the same thing with a lot of trolls here. When they think a commenter is a woman, they’ll be really condescending and dismissive. Since it’s a feminist oriented site, the default assumption is that everyone is a woman. But then when a male commenter says what his gender is, all of a sudden the troll gets much nicer and more respectful and starts saying he’s the only reasonable and rational one here.
Lady_Zombie, I love how Chuck Tingle seems to almost have his own language:
I hadn’t heard of him before the Hugo nom, and every comment of his that I’ve read since has left me feeling that he inhabits a world which is kind of at a fifteen degree angle from ours: a world which is a lot more fun, and which makes Voxman and his devilmen baffled and uncomfortable.
@Viscaria
Well at least we solved that so it’s all good. Aaaaand since I haven’t slept in days and the angst tends to get the better of what little brain function I still have available, I probably shouldn’t comment either, but then following that logic no one would ever say anything.
@K
To be fair I’m still not sure if “masculine” means anything, outside the dumb meanings given by rooshbags* and assorted morons. But I totally agree, that idea is never stressed enough. The very few husbands I know who do that are shamed into oblivion on a regular basis and their wives get the worst of it.
*If no one has claimed that term yet, well I am claiming it now. I really hope no one has. ’cause I’m very proud of it.
Lady_Zombie – that is awesome. I LOVE CHUCK TINGLE SO MUCH.
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(Almost as much as I love Dave Futrelle.)
Chuck Tingle has brought joy into the lives of many.
He should go all out and register http://www.rabidpuppies.com too. Also org and net.
Chuck Tingle is loose in this theater! 😀
Yes. Chuck Tingle is a gift and a square-dealing Buckaroo to be sure!
@Axecalibur
I get that, and it’s not necessarily a bad thing to give to charity only because it makes you look or feel good, but something about gamers and Child’s Play has always bothered me (and I say this as a gamer who has donated to Child’s Play). It’s hard to explain. Though I’m more bothered by Komen pink washing known carcinogens, but that’s a different kind of issue.
It might be tied to a specific behavior and attitude (rather than simply ‘men talking at length on __’), in practice it’s going to be difficult to distinguish mansplaining from the general ‘splaining’ that goes on.
A lot of LPers I like to watch donate their money to AbleGamers as well, which is another charity that helps disabled peeps get specialized peripherals so they can play games too.
And a lot of the bigger LPers I follow do tons of charity streams for a few different charities as well. I know Markiplier has done some Make A Wish stuff too.
While I think it’s great that they’ve done lots of charity work, however, it wouldn’t mean that they’re exempt from being good people otherwise.
Why is any of this a surprise? Notch argued in 2012 that the default player character of Minecraft, with 5 o’clock shadow, is a non-gendered every-human.
I KNOW RIGHT
It’s not even slightly difficult, Bryce, and your concern trolling is never welcome or constructive.
I did hear that, eventually, Minecraft did include Alex as a player character, who is a more feminine character.
Though, Alex’s proportions are different to Steve’s.
http://www.smh.com.au/cqstatic/1muw1w/steveandalex.png
@kupo
As I always say (never actually said this in my life :)), if you need your… ego stroked in order to give ‘the price of a cup of coffee’, so be it. Send em a picture of the kid they ‘sponsored’, if it’ll make em feel better about giving next month. Charity is a business, and every business needs good marketing. ChildFund has Santa Claus in Bangladesh, ASPCA has Sarah McLaughlan, and the Salvation Army (fuck those people, BTW) have utilized Christian guilt to impressive levels
And I also feel less than wonderful about Child’s Play. My whole thing is it seems kinda blindly self serving
One guy hit pause and was all, ‘Hey, bro, we should help some sick kids and stuff. But like, how?’
And his buddy puts his controller down and goes, ‘I got it, dude. Y’kow how video games are totes rad (I don’t know why it’s 1995, it’s just how this sounds in my head)? What if we gave em some games, brah?’
And the first one’s proud of himself like, ‘Yeah, man. We’re the best.’
Meanwhile, everyone else just does stuff for UNICEF or St Jude or whatevs. Of course, anything to brighten up those kids’ lives is worthwhile. It’s just… ya know….
PS. Yeah, Komen are horrendous
Is some of this intentionally ironic, the way it’s worded? I by no means support notch’s ridiculousness, just trying to understand what’s going on here. All I’m seeing is the decrying of condescension…using more condescension. This doesn’t seem constructive, but maybe that’s just me?
Missed if this was posted:
http://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/05/feminism-ruins-gaming-industry/
(Satire, obviously.)
Nice one Mockingbird. Serious though gamers are coming out ahead. Just look at battlefield 1. They’re focusing on diversity and it means that they’re covering all sorts of interesting stuff that gets missed in the narrative of white Brits and Krauts sitting in a trench getting shelled or getting up and getting machine gunned and isn’t it great we’re all dead now? Oh hey it’s the French, very definitely all French, definitely not North African colonial subjects (incidentally the French parade in WWII when they retook Paris? They had to borrow white guys because so many of the guys doing the fighting and dying were colonial subjects). And then the Americans come. Those nice Americans who come in and help turn the tide and now we’re going to gloss over any mention of race issues in the usual way of just going with the white default (and definitely not mention the black men who got lynched for having the temerity to wear the uniform they fought in).
What’s that about the Serbians losing more of their population than anyone else, the African auxiliaries under Lettow-Vorbeck somehow managing to last the whole war under determined pursuit by South African and Indian troops (yes this went about as well as you might expect, the best case was grudging)? What’s that about the total mess of the Russian front except for the one glimmer of brilliance during the Brusilov offensive? And finally, for those who want pathos, what about the battles of the Isonzo? All that trench warfare horror, except thousands of feet up in the Alps. What about Lawrence of Arabia and more importantly what about the people he fought with and why they fought? All these stories and now we finally get to see them.
Working for diversity in people is working for diversity in narrative. Working for diversity is working for something other than the same thought-free cliche regurgitated constantly. As another example, Tomb Raider was a much better game because it didn’t have the cultural baggage of a male protagonist. The character arc of Lara slowly having the people she looks to for guidance when trouble happens being stripped away until nobody’s left and she realizes that everybody else is looking to her doesn’t work if the main character is a copy-paste of the self assured rugged white guy. The result is a really satisfying character arc in part because there’s lows to really drive home that no matter what, no matter how bad, Lara is going to keep going.
@Argle Bargle (formerly Carr)
D’aww! That kitten is adorable! Thank you!
@ viscaria
At the risk of getting into gender stereotypes it does seem that a lot of boys adopt the infantry shooters’ maxim that ‘speed is more important than accuracy’.
@xthetenth – I’d quote your whole post for truth, but it’s long 😉
But exactly.
Not everyone has to be a white guy between the ages of 25 and *grizzled veteran of indeterminate age*.
An aside, but related: I love (LOVE) Witcher 3 and’ll probably like MGV:TPP (a disc copy is sitting beside one of our systems, waiting and mocking me for the lack of time that I have), but:
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http://assets.vg247.com/current/2015/05/geralt_witcher_3.jpg
Oh, look!
Snake’s cosplaying! Ohhhh…nice vanity contacts!
Alternately: Future Geralt sans Witcher mods.
ETA: Dammit, my lazy cropping attempt didn’t work.
Sorry if those pics come out huge on anyone’s end. I’d redo, but I promised myself time with my Kindle and our broken-ass elliptical this morning…soo…