Another HUGE VICTORY for Men’s Rights! Some guy on the internet told a woman that the term “mansplaining” is mean to men! And then he used the “c-word” a couple of times!
At first glance, this might not be seen as the HUGE VICTORY that it truly is, men’s rights-wise, but get this! The guy in question is the guy who made Minecraft! A VIDEO GAME that LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE. Which makes his opinion on this subject really really super important, for some reason.
Naturally, the fellas who hang out in the Men’s Rights subreddit understand what a TRIUMPH this is for men’s rights. There are currently three posts on this WORLD HISTORIC EVENT in the subreddit’s top ten.
Over in KotakuInAction,the main GamerGate hangout on Reddit, the regulars are if anything even more AWAKE to this monumental achievement for all mankind. They’ve got FOUR posts on it in their top ten.
So let’s check out the Minecraft dude’s carefully reasoned argument, which he Tweeted out yesterday.
You can tell he’s totally right about this, and also quite BRAVE, because he got 3700 likes and retweets for it.
Persson went on to explain his PERFECT MANLOGIC in more detail.
Ha ha! Because this explainy thing that men do to women constantly but that women do to men pretty rarely is equivalent to calling car crashes “womendriving” because, ha ha, women can’t drive and are responsible for 90% of all car crashes no wait, that’s not even remotely true; the demographic group that is responsible for far more than their share of accidents is teenagers.
When one Twitterer suggested it might perhaps behoove him to listen to women on this issue, Persson quickly saw through this MISANDRIST OPPRESSION of men who want to talk pretty much constantly.
Actually, Mr. Persson, as I have learned from years of doing this blog, there is no possible way to shut up men who want to inform you at great length of their opinions about feminism and what women are doing wrong. You can ban them from your comments, sure, but some of them will keep trying to post comments for months if not years afterwards.
And certainly Mr. Persson felt no need to shut up. Instead, he kicked his MANLOGICAL STEM LOGIC up a notch by unleashing the ultimate tool in the MANLOGICAL STEM LOGICKING toolkit. I refer, of course, to the c-word.
Here he applied the MANLOGIC STEM LOGICKING directly:
But don’t worry, gals! He’s totally got your back! He’s an EQUALITYIST who’s all for equality between the genders and not for sexism at all!
Huh. Apparently being into “equal rights and against sexism” requires one to go around calling women the c-word, which is TOTALLY NOT SEXIST because sometimes men get called “dick” which is TOTALLY the equivalent of the c-word., I mean it’s not like the c-word is widely considered the worst possible insult in the English language or anything.
Luckily, we have a KotakiInAction commenter called DaedLizrad to Gatersplain to us why it’s totally ok to refer to women with that special word.
Why is calling a man dick acceptable but dropping the c-bomb(seriously your too cowardly to use the word outside a quote?) is so reprehensible?
Its likely to be because of gynocentrism, even if you feminists refuse to accept(or even entertain the possibility) that society cares more about women than men you cannot convince me that feminists, both female and male, don’t clearly value women more than men, that is why treatment of a woman in the same exact way as a man is considered more abusive, because you don’t care about men as much as women.
You sit there and defend a sexist word designed to shame men for speaking to women about any topic, it is only used to tell men to shut up, like it was being used to there against Notch.
You sit there using and excusing gendered slurs against men while clutching your pearls screaming “think of the women” to the same treatment aimed at women, you feminists are all gynocentric and you c*nts can f*ck right off with your double standards.
Meanwhile, fellow KiAer Saddex took a moment of his time to let us in on what “mainsplaining” ACTUALLY is:
The thing with mansplaining is that, just with religion, it’s an unfalsefiable hypothesis. There is really no way to prove that it’s actually a real thing. Sure, might be a couple of assholes out there, but isn’t that same with women as well? Are you sure that if a man, or woman talks condescending to you, that it must be because of your gender? What about your personality, or the actual context? Did you say something just before that would be considered stupid by other people?…
I am going to treat people who tries to convince me that mansplaining actually is real thing like I treat people who try to convince me that god is real. You can believe if you wish but I rely on proof, and the burden of proof lies on the believer. It’s so satisfying to know that these people act just like religious extremists, should be compared to those and that you can use very similar argumentation to debunk what they’re saying.
Yes, what better way to debunk those ladies who get mansplained constantly than telling them they’re irrational fanatics who are seeing things that aren’t there, and that they probably brought this totally imaginary thing on themselves anyway by being such, well, the c-word thing.
All in all, an outstanding victory for the forces of Men’s Rightness and Ethics in Guys Who Make Video Games Calling Women the C-word.
I believe one could use the word “bigot/ed” here instead of “racist”.
It always bothered me that Rex Harrison claimed the Cockney gent was saying “tike” when he was clearly saying “toike”. This guy’s supposed to be an expert on vowel sounds! (Also it bothered me that superb singers Audrey Hepburn and Jeremy Brett were dubbed over but Rex Harrison was allowed to non-sing all his numbers.)
@ jenora
They’re my favourite types of show.
Those accent training phrases are interesting. Supposedly, repeatedly saying “four door Ford” gives you a US Southern accent; and whoever it was in Scarface said “ged me those god damned pelicangs” over and over to get a Cuban accent. I like “the water in Majorca don’t taste like what it ought to” to sound like your from Essex. (Say it as “the waw’a in majawka don’t taste like what it aw’a”)
Allegedly the way to learn to imitate a Jamaican accent is to say the word “beer can” and hear it as “bacon.” The more posh and Arpie one says “beer can”, the more Jamaican the “bacon” sounds.
Did you know the trope of English villains apparently has it’s roots in the old era of Hollywood where playing a bad guy was a serious detriment to your career so a lot of foreign breakthrough actors applied for the roles; English actors, as native English-speakers with understandable accents, apparently had the edge and so after a while English accents became synonymous with bad guys.
The inability to separate fiction from reality to the point where actors are hated based on their eviiiil characters still persists in some areas; when I lived in istanbul a group of actors rocked up at a club and the 2 good chars got given gifts and the bad guy didn’t. Also, there was a weird well-known case of loads of people constantly shouting abuse at an actor (to the point of it being obvious that many people weren’t actually able to make the distinction between a role and a person) who’s char murdered a beloved char in some famous thing.
On the same note, loads of people gave me the ‘All English people are bastards, except you, you’re alright’ and ‘You’ve changed my mind about English people, I really hated them all before’ because of the history of Europe and the systematic oppression the british empire really left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. Also, people are taught rigorous nationalism which blames all ills on foreign countries and, frankly, English did a lot of terrible things which makes them a good target for exaggeration (not that you’d even need it). So in that way the eviil british bad guy trope doesn’t help; so many people thought Braveheart was historically accurate and threw stuff like ‘The English did prima notre!!” at me during serious discussions and my boyfriend used it in an argument once (which was completely unrelated).
That said, being English obviously is a power/privilege position in a lot of unfair ways which I benefit from a lot more than have ever been hindered by in any real way
“the waw’a in majawka don’ tas’ like wot it aw’a”
Heineken! 🙂
Holy shit, I just tried that in my head and I think it kind of works. One of my siblings-in-law is Jamaican and may provide confirmation.
On an entirely unrelated note, there is (? or used to be?) a rather sweet little-kids’ computer game called Orly’s Draw-a-Story which is the only one I’ve come across to be set in Jamaica and voiced afaik by Jamaican actors.
The kid who played Ollie on Game of Thrones got a bunch of death threats because people were mad at what the character did. Someone even threatened to kill his whole family. Wtf is wrong with people?
It’s not the first time something like this has happened to actors. Anna Gunn (Skylar White) is another example. I’m just going to put it down to: some people are fucking idiots.
Nope, deffo not the first time when the character and role are mixed.
Back in early 1990s when TV in my neck of woods started to show The Bold and the Beautiful soap opera, it resulted the inevitable “Let’s invite the stars here and show how much we appreciate them here in Finland” and both newspapers and people talked about the aforementioned stars using their character names, “Brooke did this, Brooke did that during her visit” etc.
What really gives me chortles, however, was that at that time I started roleplaying, and same sort of people gave me stern warnings that “soon I won’t be able to distinguish the reality and myself from my character”.
LOL. I’m pretty sure that someone had that problem, but that someone wasn’t me, or my fellow roleplayers…
There was a great exchange in an interview where Philip Glenister was talking about people conflating him with his TV character
That might only be funny to Brits of a certain age, but it shows this dates back at least to the 70s and I suspect it’s as old as acting.
ETA: I suppose if you punch one of those Stanislavsky types you’re technically doing them a favour.
I understand Caroll O’Connor used to get angry letters attacking him for Archie Bunker’s bigoted beliefs. Apparently he didn’t mind these as much as the occasional supportive letter that confused him and Archie, as in “heckuva job, O’Connor, you give those minorities what-for!”
@Viscaria:
That’s something that I’ve experienced for my own creative work, and it really bothers me. There are people that one actively does not want as supporters, but they often miss the fact that I don’t want them.
It’s why I cheered so hard when I saw this:
http://eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras
Rob Boyle is awesome.
@ viscaria
You probably know that Archie Bunker was based on the British comedy character Alf Garnett. The actor who played Alf was called Warren Mitchell. He was a very left wing Jewish Humanist and got into many a row with people who expressed support for the views of his character who had been created to satirise bigots like that.
@Alan, I did not know that! I’ll be reading up on Warren Mitchell
@EJ, I know absolutely nothing about Eclipse Phase or Rob Boyle, but I must say that was a satisfying read.
@ viscaria
He was an interesting character. He was mates with Richard Burton and they served together in the RAF. Then one day Burton made a causal anti Semitic comment. Mitchell blew up asking why did he think they were fighting the war? Burton apologised by way of an impromptu Shakespearian speech and Mitchell decided he might like to try acting. Burton encouraged him to go to RADA. RADA left Mitchell with a posh accent. This caused him problems when he tried to sell socialist newspapers on street corners (yup, he was one of those guys) so he came up with a very working class east end accent, which was more successful, and that’s the one that he later used for Alf.
@ EJ (The Other One)
The last page is whack-a-mole with sealions.
This was apparently a chronic problem for actors on America’s Most Wanted, which would air a reenactment of the crime, and then show a picture of the actual person who was being sought. People constantly called the police saying they’d seen the ‘fugitive’ i.e. the poor schlub who played them in the reenactment.
@Alan, re accent training phrases:
There’s always ‘Moses supposes his toeses are roses’, though I suppose that’s really supposed to be more of a clarity of diction training phrase as it’s pretty easy to slur it together.
@EJ:
I’ve got a friend that’s fairly heavily into Eclipse Phase, and this doesn’t surprise me given what I’d seen of some of the fan base before.
Re: confusing actors and roles:
Mark Evanier actually did a comic book story about that sort of thing once, where his bail bondsman/vigilante character Crossfire was trying to track down someone who was apparently planning on murdering an actor who had been playing Nazi heavies. Crossfire didn’t catch the man in time, but the murderer had shown up at the actor’s dressing room just in time to see the actor with his shirt off and his Auschwitz tattoo clearly visible, which had shocked him out of his rage long enough to be able to get through to him.
@ jenora
In WW2 the allies used various phrases like that to identify potential Axis infiltrators and spies. The Brits used to use variations involving the football team Wolverhampton Wanderers and their vain attempts to vanquish their victims to achieve victory. The theory being that Germans would mix up the Vs and Ws. There was also a belief that Germans can’t pronounce ‘squirrel’; all my German friends can though.
US troops used Lollapalooza as a password as it was thought Japanese troops wouldn’t be able to pronounce it.
@Alan:
Well, that sort of phrase is still known by one of the earliest recorded uses of that tactic some 3000 years ago, the Shibboleth…
@ jenora
Well, if it ain’t broke…. 🙂
(Another test was to get people to sing the national anthem; then get suspicious if they actually knew the third verse)
@Alan
I have heard, but can’t verify, that one thing many German agents had difficulty with was British currency, and the various names and slang terms for same.
@ dalillama
Yeah, it’s true. We had the 240 pence to the pound thing then as well.
The XX Comittee (double cross, geddit!) caught every German spy in the UK. Often because of mistakes like that. That’s why our own SOE always tried to use actual natives of the country being infiltrated.
@Alan:
Not surprising, just from looking at the pre-decimal section on Wikipedia’s pages on British Currency. Farthings, Pennies, Groats, Shillings, Florins, Crowns, Pounds, Guineas, Sovereigns… and that’s not even getting into local pronunciations like thruppence.
Hunh, I’d known that a Guinea was one pound, one shilling, but the fact that this made a half-guinea ten shillings and six pence (which was the cost on the label of the Mad Hatter’s hat in Tenniel’s illustrations for Alice in Wonderland) was a reference that I had previously missed.
@ jenora
When I was a kid pre decimal coins were still in use, even after decimalisation. So we still had a coin we called a ‘six pence piece’ but it was worth 2.5 new pence (coins actually said ‘new pence’ until quite recently). It was the traditional coin to put in Christmas puddings (yup, choking to death was a common Xmas fatality over here).
The ‘thrupenny bit’ was a great looking coin; hexagonal and chunky (thrupenny bits is still rhyming slang for ‘tits’ btw!)
A shilling (12 pence = 5 new pence) was called a ‘bob’. Hence ‘bob a job week’ in the Boy Scouts. The two shilling coin was a ‘tanner. That was used as the ten pence piece. A ‘ten bob note’ was a ‘dollar’ (“As queer as a nine bob note” was an epithet for gay)
So 12 pence to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound and 1 pound 1 shilling to the guinea. Simple really. Surprised the German spies found it so confusing.
Oh, and until very recently barristers charged in guineas. Some auctions are still conducted that way too.
ETA: just to add to things, old pence were represented by the letter ‘d’ on coins as we still used the old Roman L,S,D notation. So the sixpence piece had ‘6d’ on it and often paperwork and signs would use ‘L’ for pounds instead of £.