Another HUGE VICTORY for Men’s Rights! Some guy on the internet told a woman that the term “mansplaining” is mean to men! And then he used the “c-word” a couple of times!
At first glance, this might not be seen as the HUGE VICTORY that it truly is, men’s rights-wise, but get this! The guy in question is the guy who made Minecraft! A VIDEO GAME that LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE. Which makes his opinion on this subject really really super important, for some reason.
Naturally, the fellas who hang out in the Men’s Rights subreddit understand what a TRIUMPH this is for men’s rights. There are currently three posts on this WORLD HISTORIC EVENT in the subreddit’s top ten.
Over in KotakuInAction,the main GamerGate hangout on Reddit, the regulars are if anything even more AWAKE to this monumental achievement for all mankind. They’ve got FOUR posts on it in their top ten.
So let’s check out the Minecraft dude’s carefully reasoned argument, which he Tweeted out yesterday.
You can tell he’s totally right about this, and also quite BRAVE, because he got 3700 likes and retweets for it.
Persson went on to explain his PERFECT MANLOGIC in more detail.
Ha ha! Because this explainy thing that men do to women constantly but that women do to men pretty rarely is equivalent to calling car crashes “womendriving” because, ha ha, women can’t drive and are responsible for 90% of all car crashes no wait, that’s not even remotely true; the demographic group that is responsible for far more than their share of accidents is teenagers.
When one Twitterer suggested it might perhaps behoove him to listen to women on this issue, Persson quickly saw through this MISANDRIST OPPRESSION of men who want to talk pretty much constantly.
Actually, Mr. Persson, as I have learned from years of doing this blog, there is no possible way to shut up men who want to inform you at great length of their opinions about feminism and what women are doing wrong. You can ban them from your comments, sure, but some of them will keep trying to post comments for months if not years afterwards.
And certainly Mr. Persson felt no need to shut up. Instead, he kicked his MANLOGICAL STEM LOGIC up a notch by unleashing the ultimate tool in the MANLOGICAL STEM LOGICKING toolkit. I refer, of course, to the c-word.
Here he applied the MANLOGIC STEM LOGICKING directly:
But don’t worry, gals! He’s totally got your back! He’s an EQUALITYIST who’s all for equality between the genders and not for sexism at all!
Huh. Apparently being into “equal rights and against sexism” requires one to go around calling women the c-word, which is TOTALLY NOT SEXIST because sometimes men get called “dick” which is TOTALLY the equivalent of the c-word., I mean it’s not like the c-word is widely considered the worst possible insult in the English language or anything.
Luckily, we have a KotakiInAction commenter called DaedLizrad to Gatersplain to us why it’s totally ok to refer to women with that special word.
Why is calling a man dick acceptable but dropping the c-bomb(seriously your too cowardly to use the word outside a quote?) is so reprehensible?
Its likely to be because of gynocentrism, even if you feminists refuse to accept(or even entertain the possibility) that society cares more about women than men you cannot convince me that feminists, both female and male, don’t clearly value women more than men, that is why treatment of a woman in the same exact way as a man is considered more abusive, because you don’t care about men as much as women.
You sit there and defend a sexist word designed to shame men for speaking to women about any topic, it is only used to tell men to shut up, like it was being used to there against Notch.
You sit there using and excusing gendered slurs against men while clutching your pearls screaming “think of the women” to the same treatment aimed at women, you feminists are all gynocentric and you c*nts can f*ck right off with your double standards.
Meanwhile, fellow KiAer Saddex took a moment of his time to let us in on what “mainsplaining” ACTUALLY is:
The thing with mansplaining is that, just with religion, it’s an unfalsefiable hypothesis. There is really no way to prove that it’s actually a real thing. Sure, might be a couple of assholes out there, but isn’t that same with women as well? Are you sure that if a man, or woman talks condescending to you, that it must be because of your gender? What about your personality, or the actual context? Did you say something just before that would be considered stupid by other people?…
I am going to treat people who tries to convince me that mansplaining actually is real thing like I treat people who try to convince me that god is real. You can believe if you wish but I rely on proof, and the burden of proof lies on the believer. It’s so satisfying to know that these people act just like religious extremists, should be compared to those and that you can use very similar argumentation to debunk what they’re saying.
Yes, what better way to debunk those ladies who get mansplained constantly than telling them they’re irrational fanatics who are seeing things that aren’t there, and that they probably brought this totally imaginary thing on themselves anyway by being such, well, the c-word thing.
All in all, an outstanding victory for the forces of Men’s Rightness and Ethics in Guys Who Make Video Games Calling Women the C-word.
Did you see the Twilight movies? Infinitely superior to their source material (made better by actors who hated it), and yet still pretty terra-bad.
Seriously, I used to be a regular Anti on the GaiaOnline Twilight forums, because Antis were allowed to be there. I’ve gone on whole fucking rants with sub-rants and citations for the rants about this damn series and how awful it is.
I watched the first Twilight movie. I was drunk though. My friends and I turned it into a drinking game. IIRC, every time someone just looked constipated when they were supposed to be conveying an emotion and whenever someone stopped midway through a sentence and ran off, we drank. In other words, I don’t remember the movie super well. I think Anna Kendrick was the only aspect I liked.
I did see the second movie, but it was the RiffTrax version so I missed a lot of the dialogue. I consider that a good thing.
Haven’t seen any of the other movies and I definitely would not be able to stomach the books. And I like bad books sometimes. Like, I’ve read a lot of Dean Koontz, Fear Street and V.C. Andrews. But I have to draw the line at Twilight.
There are some books which I think were improved by their film adaptions. I much prefer the Kubrick film of A Clockwork Orange to the Burgess novel, for example.
I agree that Film!Éowyn is a better character than Book!Éowyn, but I think that’s because they took out the scenes where she’s being a foil to Aragorn and Faramir, and adapted the scenes where she’s being a foil to Merry into scenes where he’s being a foil to her.
@ Alan Robertshaw
That’s what I feared but the character doesn’t really match the sort of stereotypes that were pervasive when I was growing up.
I used to get the line from Twihards all the time that I had to read the books, all the books, otherwise I couldn’t say I disliked them! (Quickly followed by “Well, if you didn’t like them, why did you read them?!” almost immediately after.)
So, I borrowed copies from the library so I wouldn’t be tempted to destroy them. Because the only thing that surpasses the levels I despise Twilight is my respect and love for public libraries and my desire to not pay for a damaged book because I’m constantly broke.
I got through the first two chapters of the third book before I had to put it down because I felt like it would be a good idea to just throw it out the window.
I will say this about the movies: I like that they took us out of the first-person perspective of literally one of the worst people in fiction. Being in Bella’s head made me…angry. Just. Fucking. Angry.
Mostly because she’s a selfish, petulant brat who insists upon martyring herself because her life is so hard in every way u guis, but also because she’s so fucking inconsistent and completely lacking in self-awareness.
Bella Swan is literally the worst person, and the best/worst thing about that is she’s the worst person completely by accident.
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Re: book adaptations
I really like the original books, but I think Planet of the Apes and Soylent Green are even better films.
And whilst I’d love to see a proper adaptation of Do Androids Dream, I think Blade Runner is brilliant.
@PI
I can’t even imagine. So, so sorry
@WWTH
Dya think they knew the talent they had on their hands? Or did they just find anyone in her early 20s with YA adaptation looks (very pretty, very white) and didn’t sound entirely redonkulous spitting out Mormon vampire jargon? Whoda thunk it: Stewart learns to act after 5 years, Pattinson gets imaginative indie stuff but is pretty much stuck there, Lautner falls off the ends of the Earth, and Kendrick is the biggest name from that franchise. Funny how these things work out…
I had meant to mention Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? but Alan beat me to it.
Thanks for the responses! Also, thank you for the resource A. Noyd!
It’s good to see the “do good, not perfect” quote on here. I first heard it on this site and I really like it. For an example of a possibly problematic character that I liked, there’s Commander Gore in Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey. He was a black character in a horror setting who dies before anyone else to show that the situation is dangerous. However, his death made me cry and it seemed genuinely sad from a character perspective, as his death was commemorated for about 5 minutes and he died in a heroic way.
Later, he comes back to life and gains knowledge beyond the scope of humanity (which itself can fall into the “magical black guy” trope I suppose) and uses this knowledge to help the player. As he dies AGAIN, he talks about how much humanity can accomplish if it chooses not to give into despair and fight for a better world, at least on the neutral ending. This speech made me cry and I felt so optimistic afterwards. Of note, SMT SJ is from Japan, which has a very small racial minority population.
For a character I’m hoping to write, he’s an RPG paladin who happens to be black. Why? Well, that’s just how I pictured him in my head. He’s this sort of hardass cop who’s been on the job long enough to see the worst of humanity, but he still fights for Lawful Good and always tries to expose corruption even at his own expense. He would also have comedic moments caused by him being such a straightlaced guy. Like, comedy caused by this character would be in the same vein as Batman joylessly playing basketball, he’s the only one that doesn’t get how silly it is. Probably not the deepest character but I think he could be interesting.
I realize that my “agenda setting” line was insensitive and probably sounded a bit too close to something the people quoted here would say, so sorry ’bout that!
@Frickle
So… Murtaugh
http://66.media.tumblr.com/e40b23c69b031cc63e05d6a3b5edc081/tumblr_n8jwilhgp71tg5sl7o1_500.gif
But, like, armored up with a sword or whatevs?
Dass cool
Probably not!
I really thought she was great in Camp. I didn’t love that movie the first time I saw it. Only because I’m not much of musical theater person. But I ended up with a DVD copy because it was sold in double feature with Saved at Target and every time I see it, it grows on me more. I keep hoping to see the other actors from it pop up elsewhere. I never do. Most of them are less white and/or less conventionally attractive than Kendrick, so sadly I’m not surprised that she’s the only one who made it big. It’s a shame because the cast was chock full of talent.
The most famous “just happened to be black” character I can think of is probably Ben from Night of the Living Dead. Romero hadn’t explicitly written the role with any ethnicity in mind, but when Duane Jones auditioned he gave the best performance. Fortunately Romero was an open-minded enough person to give him the role based on that.
Because of this, the script makes no reference to the actor being black whatsoever. To modern sensibilities it comes across as refreshing; I can’t imagine what it was like in 1968.
THAT’S WHAT IT WAS.
YEARS AGO MY FRIEND PLAYED THE RIFFTRAX VERSION OF THE FIRST TWILIGHT FILM ON DVD BUT DIDN’T SAY WHO MADE IT. I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF AND HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO NAME OR FIND THAT VERSION SINCE.
YOU’VE JUST TOLD ME WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.
I’VE BEEN DESIRING THAT ANSWER FOR SO LONG. MY QUEST IS COMPLETE.
THANK YOU!!!
@ EJ
Jones’ casting does give a very interesting ambiguity to the ending though and adds a whole other layer to a particular action. (Trying not to spoil)
@ sunnysombrera
The Rifftrax guys do live events through Fathom Events sometimes and it’s really great seeing them in a movie theater because everyone around you is cracking up.
Yeah, as much as the casting choice was not meant to be political, it’s hard to avoid seeing some implications in the ending these days with racist police violence being such a hot button issue. I rewatched it right around the time Ferguson was going down and it was a huge punch in the gut.
I hope that’s not giving too much away, but do we really need to make a big thing out of spoiler alerts for movies that are almost 50 years old? What’s the etiquette here?
Axe, I haven’t seen any of the Lethal Weapon films, but I guess he’s kind of similar. He’s basically the Dad of the party, especially as a foil to my hypothetical fantasy story/RP main character, Erik the Skilled. Also, the only character I even have a name for, probably because I’m never going to write anything do my insecurity but oh man I have ideas. Anyone have any general advice/maybe a name or two?
Erik is a bastard (in both senses) and is a minor noble. While he doesn’t go out of his way to hurt or annoy others, he’s a bit of a showboating prick. Erik, while he lived at his manor, had read all sorts of myths of great heroes and wishes to be like them. To this end, he studies the arts of magic and swordplay, and perhaps learned a thing or two about pickpocketing. While he’d no doubt be unpopular in the political sphere due to being a bastard, he learned a bit of diplomacy, even if just to seem polite when guests were over. Eventually Erik leaves his home to go on an adventure (and maybe another reason, like other families pressuring him to leave?) and sets up shop in a small town, doing odd jobs and occasionally stopping troublemakers.
Over time, he learns to stop being a childish glory-obssessed prick and becomes a true hero, even while he continues to crack wise. For a sense of his development, picture Nick Wilde or Flynn Rider in a Final Fantasy/Fire Emblem-esque setting.
As the setting would probably feature combat, Erik would wield several weapons with decent proficiency. His standard weapon is a heirloom, his family’s Silver-Engraved Rapier. I’d want it to play a role in his story and gain power as Erik develops as a person. It starts as a well-made but fairly standard thrusting sword and ends as a magical weapon with great powers that only Erik can use. Other weapons Erik has is a bronze dirk and a small club, the former as a sidearm and the latter as an antiarmor weapon.
A motif I think would be neat in my hyopthetical story is colors being associated with the sun and moon, maybe other celestial objects too. For example, red and gold=sun/blue and silver=moon.
This is waaaay OT and it’s pretty long but I thank anyone who sees this and offers feedback. I’ve had these ideas for a while but never knew where to put ’em, so fuck it, I’m putting them here.
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Faceclaims I made for Erik in Dark Souls II Scholar of the First Sin a while ago. Forgive the quality of the pictures. His look was inspired by a Red Mage from Final Fantasy. Also wanted to make my Nameless Black Guy Paladin but the character creator makes it hard to make a black character who’s face matches his body in skin tone.
I believe that the debate that is happening should be labeled a debate, and not a bunch of facts everyone has. Everything should really be labeled as theory here until further experimentation has been done, or hypothesis formed. We’re debating slang, and theory here, and while the debate is heated with insults from both sides, we needn’t claim everything we say is fact, because that’s completey dismissive of another point of view.
@Cloud
This isn’t up for debate and we (feminists) frankly don’t care if our terminology is upsetting to the people who benefit from our oppression.
Does every new coinage need to be debated by randos before it can be used, or is it just the ones that women and other non-men invent to define our own experiences? Asking for #science
@Cloud, hello! Welcome.
I get your argument! I do wish there could be more calm and more conciliation. It would be nice! Peace and calmness and gentle discussion would be lovely. I don’t think anyone here would disagree.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where calm, gentle discussion gets very little done. Underprivileged people that are quiet don’t get heard.
And yes, that’s what this is about. There’s no debate about whether “mansplaining” is an appropriate word. One side of the discussion made the word as a shorthand for a phenomenon they see in the world, founded in feminist theory, buttressed on all sides by literal textbooks filled with well-thought-out concepts and supported from beneath by statistical evidence.
The other side misinterprets the word, disbelieves the theories involved in and supporting it, and ignores or misinterprets the evidence.
It’s not a debate about theory when one side refuses to accept the theory and refuses to look at the evidence which supports it honestly. It’s not a debate about a slang word when the side that made up the word defines it as thing-A and the other side defines it as something else that can be easily knocked over. That’s called a strawman argument.
I know that the anger and sharp reactions from feminists can be tough to bear – I get that. But the vitriol is because the other side refuses to evaluate feminist positions fairly – it’s strawmen and willful ignorance all the way down. Until that changes, please give feminists a bit of leeway to raise their voices and express their anger, because it’s very well deserved.
What the hell is Eva Vavoom trying to say?
I do not see the appeal of Minecraft. I wanted to like it, my friend’s little boy loves it, but I just couldn’t. The graphics are ugly. I keep seeing these toys based on it as well, of blocky deformed animals which are supposed to be pigs and sheep. I really don’t see the point of that. All it is is an infinite supply of virtual Lego, and superficial gameplay. There is no depth to it, you can’t even create anything cool just these stupid ugly blocks. You can’t even make cool characters, just add skins to the existing ones. I don’t know who got payed off to make this the success it is. The mind boggles.
@ Handsome Jack
Mirroring MRA/PUA etc… talking points, as in accepting their logic but applying the conclusions from a woman’s point of view. I think, at least, maybe this shows it:
http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2015/05/17/white-on-white-violence-erupts-as-biker-gang-thugs-kill-9-in-shootout-at-a-waco-texas-restaurant/