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Butt-centric author Chuck Tingle out-tingles Vox Day, invites Zoe Quinn to the Hugos

Tingle, triumphant
Tingle, triumphant

I can’t claim to have figured out all of the multiple levels of trollery going on here but it looks like the butt-obsessed and surreally self-referential science fiction pseudo-erotica writer Chuck Tingle has just gotten the better of Vox Day.

You might even say that Vox has been cucked, if you were the sort of crappy person who thought “cuck” was a clever insult.

Tingle, known for such butt-related novellas as Pounded in the Butt By My Own Butt — and its even more circular sequel Pounded In The Butt By My Book Pounded In The Butt By My Own Butt — was one of the names put forward for a Hugo award this year on Vox Day’s Rabid Puppies slate, an ongoing attempt to derail the Hugo awards by basically stuffing the ballot box with titles the rabidly bigoted and reactionary Vox approves of.

With Vox’s help, Tingle’s Space Raptor Butt Invasion did indeed garner a spot on the Hugo shortlist. But in a plot twist that must have shocked the VOXMAN, the ungrateful Mr. Tingle started furiously trolling Vox on Twitter.

And then Tingle kicked it up a notch:

BOOM.

Quinn quickly hopped aboard the Tingle Express.

Advantage, Tingle and Quinn.

NOTE: Added a bit to my “cuck” line to clarify why I even used the word.

 

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Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
4 years ago

It really does make me wonder what “old SF” they read, because when I read Asimov’s robot stories, for example, they were usually stories about prejudice, hatred, minority struggles and love. What were the puppies reading?

And “The Gods Themselves,” which won a Hugo in 1973, had an alien race with three genders and was about the stubborn refusal of people to change.

What were these guys reading?

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

From their descriptions, endless pastiches of EE ‘Doc’ Smith and Edgar Rice Burroughs.

Cerberus
Cerberus
4 years ago

Jarnsaxa-

Honestly… probably nothing. A lot of these appeals to a “better time” seem to generally have nothing to do with the actual products or life during that time and tend to always be about a hazy idea of childhood or a time when you could socially be a bigot without people calling you out for it.

They don’t miss “old” sci-fi. They miss being able to harass women at sci-fi cons without being called out for it.

Dalillama
4 years ago

@Cerberus
Totally OT, but if you’re the same Cerberus who used to be on Pharyngula, there’s a new incarnation of the old Lounge here. I’m sure I speak for a lot of folks there when I say that we’d love to hear from you again, if you’re interested in dropping by.

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
4 years ago

Cerberus, thanks for the explanation. I fear it’s still one level too meta for me. In any case, I now understand that Chuck Tingles is awesome.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

E. E. “Doc” Smith is probably way better than the Puppies’ right wing authors if you want mindless fun and ridiculous melodrama. But there’s a reason why everyone remembers Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein and why their books have never gone out of print.

Shaenon
4 years ago

It really does make me wonder what “old SF” they read, because when I read Asimov’s robot stories, for example, they were usually stories about prejudice, hatred, minority struggles and love. What were the puppies reading?

One of the Puppies seriously held up the original “Star Trek” as an example of good old-fashioned sci-fi without any left-wing political messages. I’m starting to think they’re a bunch of Fake Nerd Boys.

Again, most of the Puppy organizers are in my age bracket. They grew up in the 1980s and 1990s. The SF literature of their childhood wasn’t E.E. “Doc” Smith; it was Connie Willis and Octavia Butler and William Gibson. They didn’t grow up with the Robert Heinlein who wrote gung-ho YA space adventures; they grew up with the one who wrote polemics for his idiosyncratic blend of right-libertarianism and hippie free love.

Novels that won the Hugo when the Puppies were old enough to be paying attention include C.J. Cherryh’s Cyteen, Connie Willis’s Doomsday Book, and Lois McMaster Bujold’s Vorkosigan novels–all stories with action and adventure and really wild stuff, but also narrative complexity, challenging ideas, and plenty of feminism and the ol’ social justice. On the distaff side, Orson Scott Card won for Ender’s Game and Speaker for the Dead, socially relevant novels with a right-wing viewpoint.

When they wax nostalgic about the simple shoot-em-up sci-fi of their childhood, the Puppies aren’t talking about literature at all. They’re talking about Star Wars. But now even Star Wars has gotten mucked up with black people and icky cootie girls, so I guess they really are SOL.

Mike
Mike
4 years ago

is there actually some meaning in any of this, or is it, as it appears, just a bunch of randomly generated words??

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

I was thinking more of imitations of those things, which were still readily available through the 80s at least.* Not trying to say you’re wrong, just that it was what the Puppies descriptions made me think of.

*This was a lot of my old childhood reading material actually.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

One of the Puppies seriously held up the original “Star Trek” as an example of good old-fashioned sci-fi without any left-wing political messages.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/df175d73ed387160746d9f6ef9d7e1ef/tumblr_n3mri7xFfs1qb8c3uo1_500.gif

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

I think trashy pulp imitation was more popular in the 1980’s and 1990’s (possibly due to Star Wars), but it wasn’t the stuff that was winning awards then. Lots of people probably have nostalgic memories of reading it even though it’s never been considered good.

There’s also a lot more “literary” YA science fiction around now that’s easy to read. So there’s less of a market for pulp.

Fabe
Fabe
4 years ago

One of the Puppies seriously held up the original “Star Trek” as an example of good old-fashioned sci-fi without any left-wing political messages

I f classic star trek were to originally air today in the exactly the way it did back in 1966 these guy would tek one look at its multicultural cast and episodes dealing with real world social issues and declare it SJW propaganda.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

@Moggie:

Yes, but Redshirts is by Scalzi, who, for reasons I’ve never been able to discern, is supreme leader of the SJWs.

My understanding is that this comes from a few sources.

For one, the Voxman has a personal hatred for Scalzi dating back to early SFWA days. A post on the Electrolite blog (which I believe was Patrick Nielsen Hayden’s blog before he and Teresa jointly formed the Making Light blog) had a thread about a complaint against Vox being on… I believe it was a Nebula jury, with the person complaining asking how you could trust somebody like him to put aside any biases. Scalzi came in, originally arguing on the side of giving someone a chance before dismissing them. Then Vox came in and was his usual smug self all over the place, and any sympathy evaporated quickly. By the end of it when Vox got banned from the blog, Scalzi’s comment was ‘Awww, but there’s still candy in him!’

The personal hatred only got bigger after Vox got thrown out of the SFWA for his comments to N K Jemisin, which happened just after Scalzi stepped down as president of it. Vox’ attempts at becoming the next president (which happened before his formal expulsion) had failed badly.

There’s also the general sense from a lot of the Puppy types that Scalzi should be on their side. He’s white, cis, hetero, not particularly left-wing by most standards, writes books like Old Man’s War… and yet also rather loudly and mockingly rejects everything the Puppies stand for, thus casting into doubt their assumptions that they represent the true silent majority. For this betrayal, he must be punished.

And, as has been noted above, despite the fact that he does actually sometimes write the ‘rollicking space adventure’ the Puppies say they want and say is being unfairly denied a market, Scalzi is manifestly popular and a best-seller, thus calling into question the basic assumption that there is a conspiracy against them. So, obviously, he must be in on the conspiracy.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Part of the protest is against “new” space opera. “Old” space opera would be E. E. “Doc” Smith and works following a similar formula (a lot of new “old” stuff is parody or deliberately over the top, though authors like Kevin J. Anderson are serious). “New” space opera is more “literary” and would include authors like Alaistair Reynolds and Iain M. Banks. Reynolds has a PhD in astronomy and focuses on making his works scientifically plausible, while Banks focuses on political and social issues and depicts a post-scarcity left wing anarchist society. Many people would count Orson Scott Card as “new.”

People like Ann Leckie are writing in the “new” space opera genre and focusing on gender issues, but the genre had already developed “literary”-ness and emphasis on social commentary. The Puppies are against “new” stuff because it makes them have to think.

Shaenon
4 years ago

There was no period in Hugo history when most of the awards went to military space opera and “hard” SF. Good fiction in those genres has definitely won Hugos and continues do so (the Ancillary series is military SF, though the Puppies hate it), but it’s never been the dominant award-winner.

Novels that won Hugos within the first ten years include A Case of Conscience (a human missionary’s faith is shaken by the discovery of an alien culture that doesn’t need religion), A Canticle for Leibowitz (after nuclear war, the Catholic Church preserves technology through the new Dark Ages), and Stranger in a Strange Land (a human raised on Mars becomes the Jesus of hippie counterculture), all of which, were they published today, would be condemned by the Puppies as attacks on white patriarchal Christianity. The only winning novel within that period that qualifies as old-fashioned space opera is Starship Troopers, and even that’s got politics in it.

Looking over the history of the Best Novel category, there aren’t more than a handful of examples of the SF the Puppies claim to champion: action-oriented, tech- and “hard” science-heavy, psychologically simplistic, apolitical, and centered on characters assumed to be straight, white, male, and Christian. There’s Ringworld, Rendezvous with Rama, maybe Ender’s Game, Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars books. The Hugos have always represented a wide range of SF, not just what Brad Torgersen and Larry Correia like to read.

Dammit, I could write about classic sci-fi all the day long.

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
4 years ago

Is that Mark from Mark Reads Twilight?! 😀

I loved reading that. It was a glorious reading that really helped me formulate Babby’s First Feminist Literature Critiques.

OMG, SAME. I love that guy, I should get around to reading his blog again. I’m happy that he’s still writing about reading stuff!

I love surrealist humor, so I might enjoy this obvious assman’s writing. His list of titles alone is hilarious.

katz
4 years ago

He’s white, cis, hetero, not particularly left-wing by most standards, writes books like Old Man’s War… and yet also rather loudly and mockingly rejects everything the Puppies stand for, thus casting into doubt their assumptions that they represent the true silent majority.

I have absolutely nothing against Scalzi, but I’m frustrated at how he’s become the poster child of feminist sci-fi writers. It feels a little Schwyzerish, like we have to get a straight white guy as a spokesperson. (To be clear, I know Scalzi hasn’t been trying to put himself in that position, but it’s sort of how the discourse has formed around him.)

Dalillama
4 years ago

@Shaenon

Looking over the history of the Best Novel category, there aren’t more than a handful of examples of the SF the Puppies claim to champion: action-oriented, tech- and “hard” science-heavy, psychologically simplistic, apolitical, and centered on characters assumed to be straight, white, male, and Christian. There’s Ringworld, Rendezvous with Rama, maybe Ender’s Game, Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars books.

And of those, Louis Wu (Ringworld) is neither white nor Christian, and Robinson’s characters are hardly limited to white men (nor can the Mars books really be considered apolitical, IIRC)

Lorcan Nagle
Lorcan Nagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Dalillama

Speaking of Kim Stanley Robinson, Torgeson was actually complaining that Redshirts beat out 2312 for the 2013 Hugo, leading people to question whether he’d actually read either novel. Redshirts being a breezy adventure comedy in which the low-ranking crew on a starship realise they’re the cannon fodder in a bad SF TV series, and 2312 being a travelogue in which two people move around an anarchist, transhuman solar system, interacting with any number of variations on human body types, sexual and gender preferences (indeed both the main charaters have male and female genitals).

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

History Nerd:

“Literary” argument doesn’t really hold water. It is nothing but a smoke-screen.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/418285.html

GRRM does some analysis about why not.

Kevin
Kevin
4 years ago

@ History nerd. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but, entertaining though Banks’ works are, he died back in 2013.

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

@katz –

I have absolutely nothing against Scalzi, but I’m frustrated at how he’s become the poster child of feminist sci-fi writers. It feels a little Schwyzerish, like we have to get a straight white guy as a spokesperson. (To be clear, I know Scalzi hasn’t been trying to put himself in that position, but it’s sort of how the discourse has formed around him.)

I think that part of it is, if you’ll excuse the term, that he seems sort of fine with being a “shield”.

“Fine, ok – I’m doing things that you say that you hate, but I’m ‘one of you’. You’ll have to attack my actions and views but with the ‘handicaps’ of not being able to attack who I am (except to say that I’m not ‘being you enough’) and of our having the same ‘default settings’ for how people receive us.”

I’m absolutely open to hearing other opinions and takes on this – I’m definitely still on the learning end of things -, but that seems like about as good a use of acknowledged privilege as there is.
It probably sucks that he’s become the poster child for feminist sci-fi writers (I qualify that because I honestly don’t know enough about the background and dynamics of it all to make a fully informed comment), but hopefully his status will help to make some space for others.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Ender’s Game is not particularly right wing. Maybe some of it is related to ideas in Mormonism about cosmology and salvation. Card happens to write good stuff that’s socially conscious and appeals to people with different political views.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

@katz:

I have absolutely nothing against Scalzi, but I’m frustrated at how he’s become the poster child of feminist sci-fi writers.

Agreed, and I think Scalzi feels at least somewhat the same way. His being a poster child is mostly because people like the Voxman just won’t legitimately engage with women.

I do think Scalzi’s reaction to Brad Torgersen in http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/05/04/id-rather-like-men-than-to-be-a-sad-puppy/ showed class. To paraphrase:
– Torgersen: Scalzi’s gay!
– Scalzi: Isn’t it sad that you consider that a devastating insult.
– Torgersen: I’m sorry. That was hitting below the belt. Even Scalzi didn’t deserve to be called that.
– Scalzi: Why are you apologizing for calling me that? I wasn’t insulted. You should be apologizing for the fact that you think being gay is wrong and that calling someone that is an insult.

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

^ Jenora got to what I slipped around.

guest
guest
4 years ago

Ender’s Game is pretty right-wing. I read this essay a while back and it really opened my eyes to what Card is doing (sorry for horrible unreadable format–I’m sure I first read it somewhere else):

http://johnjosephkessel.wix.com/kessel-website#!creating-the-innocent-killer/ce5s

While looking for that, I also found this:

http://peachfront.diaryland.com/enderhitlte.html

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

That’s interesting. Thinking back, there definitely are lots of problematic (possibly fascist) elements in the Ender books. Morality and intelligence often boil down to biological determinism rather than environment and someone’s personal choices. The ideas that only intention matters and that you can’t truly hate people after understanding them are classic excuses for abusive thinking and behavior.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
4 years ago

guest
May 9, 2016 at 1:16 pm
Ender’s Game is pretty right-wing. I read this essay a while back and it really opened my eyes to what Card is doing (sorry for horrible unreadable format–I’m sure I first read it somewhere else):

http://johnjosephkessel.wix.com/kessel-website#!creating-the-innocent-killer/ce5s

While looking for that, I also found this:

http://peachfront.diaryland.com/enderhitlte.html

I’m glad I never discovered Ender’s Game when I was in junior high for precisely the reasons John Kessel brings up. It would have validated very toxic belief I held then.

Shaenon
4 years ago

I’m glad I never discovered Ender’s Game when I was in junior high for precisely the reasons John Kessel brings up. It would have validated very toxic belief I held then.

I did discover Ender’s Game in junior high, and that was exactly what happened. I was heavily into Orson Scott Card all through my angry young nerd phase. I still think Speaker for the Dead is really good, and Ender’s Game is a classic of what it is.

By the time Card turned into a raving anti-gay activist, I’d grown up a little and his writing had deteriorated anyway (I think my first inkling that things were off the rails was when he proudly informed readers that the latest Alvin Maker novel was based on characters his fans had been roleplaying on his message board–and, yup, there were lots of random new villagers who felt exactly like somebody’s D&D character), so I’d already given up on his work.

Diptych
Diptych
4 years ago

His space monsters being called “buggers” seems a solid warning sign for imminent writerly homophobia…

(Incidentally, I shared the essayist’s surprise that Card specifically criticises Calvinist morality. His concept of good and evil seems like the same sort of pseudo-Calvinism I’ve seen criticised in J. K. Rowling’s works, only much moreso.)

Thalia
Thalia
4 years ago

I have admired Tingle’s title-creating talents (and the fact that he seems to be able to come up with actual plots that match them) for some time now. I can’t believe the “puppies” thought a guy who writes hilarious bizarro gay porn would be into their agenda on any level. Tingle is my new hero.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

I agree Ender’s Game is a classic even if it’s flawed. Card was apparently writing his best work in the 80’s and then it went downhill by the mid-2000’s.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
4 years ago

Shaenon
May 8, 2016 at 3:53 pm
Again, most of the Puppy organizers are in my age bracket. They grew up in the 1980s and 1990s. The SF literature of their childhood wasn’t E.E. “Doc” Smith; it was Connie Willis and Octavia Butler and William Gibson. They didn’t grow up with the Robert Heinlein who wrote gung-ho YA space adventures; they grew up with the one who wrote polemics for his idiosyncratic blend of right-libertarianism and hippie free love.

Looks like Heinlein’s juveniles is something they pine for anyway since Vox’s Castalia House just released Rod Walker’s—the “New New Heinlein” (because apparently there was an Old New Heinlein)—Mutiny In Space.

When the radical revolutionaries of the Social Party prevent his attendance at university and make his life on New Chicago impossible, Nikolai Rovio has no choice but to accept his starship-bound uncle’s offer to take refuge in space and sign on as a technical apprentice with Starways. But space, he quickly learns, is full of dangers that can kill a young man just as dead as even the most bloodthirsty revolutionary.

And no place that Man can travel can ever truly serve as a safe refuge from ambitious and evil-minded men.

Rod Walker is the New New Heinlein, and Mutiny in Space marks a first step in the return of science fiction to its classical form and historical heights. Written in the style and tradition of Robert Heinlein’s 12 classic juvenile novels published by Scribner, Mutiny in Space is an exciting tale of space, technology, courage, independence, and the indomitable spirit of Man.

Hey, I’m an aspiring writer, and I just realized I can get published with Castalia House no problem! Dash off a light and clichéd piece of military-themed SF or fantasy dreck, add something about how evil SJWs are, maybe throw in a little Christian supremacy, and they’ll publish me no questioned asked! I’ll even get a built-in fanbase of Rabid Puppies to harass my critics and campaign for my Hugo nomination! It can’t fail!

guest
guest
4 years ago

No offence to YA literature–a lot of my adult friends read a lot of YA books, and I’ve read some recently on their recommendation–but are ‘classic juvenile novels’ really the best the world of sf literature can aspire to?

Or is this code for ‘no girls/no sex’?

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

guest:

Or is this code for ‘no girls/no sex’?

It is more like “no wrong sort of girls/no wrong sort of sex”. I mean, Heinlein did like to write about girls and sex.

Just… not necessarily in the best or nice or heaven forbid, non-problematic way.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
4 years ago

guest
May 11, 2016 at 6:50 am
No offence to YA literature–a lot of my adult friends read a lot of YA books, and I’ve read some recently on their recommendation–but are ‘classic juvenile novels’ really the best the world of sf literature can aspire to?

Or is this code for ‘no girls/no sex’?

To be fair, Mutiny In Space is supposed to be the first in Castalia House’s juvenile line. But as Vox himself puts it…

We are very excited about our new series of Rod Walker books, because they are exactly what we founded Castalia House to publish. They are pure Blue SF, and contain no foul language, no adult themes, no nihilism, and they are 100 percent social justice-free. Robert Heinlein revitalized science fiction with just 12 wonderful novels – 13, if one counts Starship Troopers which was originally supposed to be a Scribner novel, but was foolishly turned down – and we believe it is possible to do achieve similar effects by applying the same principles that made his early novels so successful.

So no girls/no sex sounds pretty accurate.

For those who don’t know, “Blue SF” is Vox’s term for real true manly man military pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps hard SF; the evil, evil alternative is the dreaded “Pink SF” which includes “female presidents, token ethnic mélanges,” and discussion of feelings.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Looks like Heinlein’s juveniles is something they pine for anyway since Vox’s Castalia House just released Rod Walker’s—the “New New Heinlein” (because apparently there was an Old New Heinlein)—Mutiny In Space.

Space Mutiny?

pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

Calgon, blow me away!

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
4 years ago

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
May 11, 2016 at 7:59 am
Space Mutiny?

I would imagine that Vox would love an SF film made during Apartheid. No “token ethnic mélanges” in Space Mutiny!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ rabukurafuto

Pink SF” which includes “female presidents

I wonder what Mr Day thinks of Heinlein’s ‘Space Cadet’. The fact that Venusian society is matriarchal and the human male protanganists have to refer to themselves using female pronouns for diplomatic purposes when dealing with the Venusian leader is a bit of a plot point.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs:
Dangit, every time I see that posted, I have to watch it. 😀

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Heinlein supported laissez-faire Libertarian economics and had some fascistic leanings, but he was always more to the left on many social and cultural issues and that came up in his works. That includes Starship Troopers, there’s apparently very little racism or sexism in the Terran Federation and there are opportunities for people with disabilities to be socially mobile. Heinlein later claimed that most federal service was non-military and citizens couldn’t vote or hold political office while in the armed forces.

katz
4 years ago

So this happened…

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pitshade
pitshade
4 years ago

Big McLargehuge vs.Blast Hardcheese in the final. BMcLh by 15 at the horn.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Voting for Big McLargehuge!