Men Going Their Own Way have a keen eye when it comes to spotting subtle injustices that the rest of us often miss.
Like, for example, the terrible injustice that is … fat chicks dating dudes who aren’t themselves fat.
One Reddit MGTOW recently reminded his comrades just how pervasive this terrible injustice has become in the contemporary world.
Preach it, brother!
Others in the MGTOW subreddit reported their own findings.
He THOUGHT he was happy. Just as the German citizens under Hitler THOUGHT they were free!
Little did he know that his life could have been snuffed out in a moment had his girlfriend — *shudder* — decided to sit on him. We have lost too many men, cut down in their prime by hambeast girlfriends who thought it might be “funny” to pretend that their boyfriends were chairs.
Another MGTOW Redditor applied some powerful STEM logic to the problem:
Can society long survive with the attractiveness ratio so far out of whack? What kind of world is it when dudes who are EIGHTS are saddled with level 5 plain janes? Or when men who are average joes find themselves trapped in completely voluntary relationships with level 2 hambeasts, some of whom are quite angry and/or stern.
It is the thoughtful ovendice — we’ve met him before — who brings real clarity and wisdom to this difficult issue.
I can’t argue with that! Mainly because I have no idea what he’s talking about. How does working hard prevent men from being pigs?
Here’s a song I don’t think MGTOWs are going to like very much.
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My fave cooking show? Two Fat Ladies. Move over thin swearing asshole dudechefs, you can’t beat those two women when it comes to jolliness and life experience and making things fascinating. They were like a duo of Nanny Oggs.
I don’t want to use any drugs so I wasn’t going to ask what you’re smoking. You have to spread the love more? Well that’s fine, just means you have to kiss her whole tummy.
thnx ohlman. Im good on the second point now.
@iknklast
Exactly. I’d put good money on the “Hambeast” being a size 6-8, because these media-addled dumbfucks have swallowed the “Anything over a 2 is obese!” Kool-Aid wholesale.
Yeah, being fat doesn’t necessarily mean you find other fat people attractive. Likewise, being skinny doesn’t necessarily mean you find other skinny people attractive. As my weight has changed, my sexual preferences have not. That’s just how it is (for me, at least).
Some problems with the MRA/PUA/TRP “philosophy” are that they believe:
1. People are either fit or fat, and the condition of being fat is permanent. Once fat always fat.
2. Everybody’s attracted exclusively to non-fat people. Those with fat partners are either desperate or deceived.
3. Those who say they prefer fat partners are lying. They’ve simply chosen to settle for a fat partner in order to avoid rejection.
4. Fat people are grateful for any intimacy they can get, no exceptions.
5. No men are fat.
^All of these are BS.
Three years of dating in high school is huge. Most couples go from passionate makeouts in the hallway to flameout in what, two or three months? That couple was either really happy together, or really afraid to let go.
@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
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I was thinking it loops back around, so that a level 2 guy could get a 10 or 9 gal (depending on whether level 0 exists). Otherwise, who would be dating all the level 10 women? There aren’t level 13 men, are there?
From something I learned. Back when I was a teen, I thought that you had to be ‘pretty’ to succeed. I was bullied at school because my nose was crooked and a bit big, so I got called Pinochinose and Concorde etc. it was terrible. In my twenties I finally got accepted to have it fixed on the NHS. I was finally able to be confident for the first time in my life. However, studying music at university, I got swept along with the idea that I had to be glamorous to succeed as a musician. Especially as a singer. I tried this, and spent money I didn’t really have trying to compete with the very well off and privileged students. It has taken me a long time to realise that I was wrong, and that competence and skill trumps looks every time. Being asexual as well, I am happier being androgenous and comfortable than I am faking feminine for show. I wish other young girls could learn this lesson. But all the while there is a premium on looks over skill, and celebrities are made from nonentities, I doubt they will.
It always cracks me up the MGTOW think women being fat is the result of a feminist plot. Sure, feminists tend to think it’s wrong to expect women to starve themselves or get cosmetic surgery to fit into our culture’s extremely rigid and unrealistic beauty standards. But I’ve never seen feminists as a group try to get naturally thin women to become fat. Most of the women I’ve seen who tell skinny women to eat a sandwich or say “real women have curves” aren’t necessarily feminist. Of course, anti-feminists always assume that if a woman does something they don’t like, she must be a feminist.
Even if we do grant their absurd premise that it’s feminists who’ve made women fat, how do they explain fat men? There are just as many of them as there are women. If not more. And that’s according to BMI, which was created to measure the average white male body and is biased towards men’s body types. If the feminist conspiracy wants fat women to force fit men to date them, wouldn’t we want the majority of men to be super cut Brad Pitt clones?
I just find it really bizarre that MGTOW screeds about the horrible fatness of Ameriskanks always completely erase the existence of fat men. Even though, statistically speaking a good percentage of MGTWO posters must be fat themselves. I guess acknowledging that would get in the way of their internet fantasy lives where they’re supremely rational and intellectual Adonis ubermensch types though.
Two OT things:
OT1
I finally got prescribed an SSRI and have started taking it today. I don’t think anyone will remember this, but I was posting about my mental health problems in an open thread months back. So yeah, I finally talked to someone.
OT2
I need advice from somebody who’s good at dealing with people. :p
Because I’ve been given a position of minor authority with my volunteer work, I often find myself in situations where I need to explain things to other people, such as “these are our rules”, “these are the things you should do”, “these are the things you should not do”, “these are things you might want to keep in mind”, “these are things that might happen”, etc.
Now, I’ve noticed there’s a certain type of people who absolutely enrage me, namely those who won’t just shut up and listen when I’m trying to tell them important stuff that they need to know. They keep interrupting me, talking over me, trying to add information while I’m speaking, and so on. I wouldn’t normally care about this, since I’d just choose not to talk to this annoying person, but sometimes I need to know that the person is listening and taking in what I’m saying.
Another recent situation in which I ran into the same problem was when I went on vacation and had to leave my cats with a cat hostel. I needed to tell the hostel owner about Fingie’s allergies, our insurance information, our phone numbers, their special food, etc, and just had no fucking idea if she was listening to a word I was saying.
Am I explaining this well? Does anyone have personal experience with these kinds of people, and how do you deal with them?
The word “love” is just not in these assholes’ dictionaries, is it?
I don’t know, IP — but I’d be tempted to write/print the rules down on a paper and then give it to the person you’re about to educate and ask them to read the paper aloud to you and tell you if they got any thoughts they’d like to add. To make it like you’re asking for feedback from them, which would require them to think, and reading aloud to you would mean they would frellin’ actually READ it, instead of mentally clicking ‘I agree’.
How about Hoagy Carmichael’s “Huggin’ And Chalkin'”? That was from 1947!
So sorry, I didn’t realize that men who are attracted to women my size, is entirely my fault! I should really stop getting laid, stop eating and live in the gym until I’m ‘worthy’ of ‘normal’ men. No, wait… I won’t.
Rules? Write ’em down. Just bullet points or reminders will do. Shouldn’t be too intimidating or too much text.
I realise that you can’t do the “bear in mind” or “might happen” stuff in writing (otherwise you’d have to write a multi-page essay), but if the dos and don’ts are clear they’ll have more brainspace to think about those things. If you’re not sure about them getting the message, ask them to write down some stuff for themselves – maybe their own annotations on what you’ve given them.
If you’re concerned they may not be taking it in, invite questions. Sometimes you can deflect interruptions by saying that you’ll deal with questions and comments in a minute but you have to be sure to get the important stuff across first. (Doesn’t work with everyone, but it’s worth a shot.)
Same thing goes for the pet hostels. Even if the person you’re talking to listens attentively, they might not be the person who deals with your pet all the time. Also, everyone gets confused or forgets stuff at times – if the important bits are in writing, they won’t forget. It will also be easier for them to pass your instructions on to other helpers without skipping important details or getting them wrong or mixed up with another animal’s food/ medication/ habits because they’re similar in some way.
Oh well. Ninja’d by skiriki
PoM I like your style.
I guess I just feel bad bc Im wanting ppl to not see me as unattractive while at the same time not really finding fat bodies attractive myself. Maybe I have an issue w feeling entitled to be seen as attractive to overcompensate or some such bull. I also wonder if I would have naturally liked fat girls if I hadnt absorbed social messages. Like, similarly, Id probably be more into dudes, trans women with penises, maybe even more sexual, if I wasnt super fucked up from rape culture. I dont think you can seperate nature and nurture. I just think about these thigs but maybe I should disconnect from self blame and guilt. Im not always rational in my thinking in that way. depression/ anxiety/abuse PTSD issues (whch I talk about IRL but rarely say online due to fear of harassment). but idk what it is about this space I just like talking to yall
Hambeast
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@Michael P – Heterosexual relationships seem to be a zero-sum game with these guys.
Get them to do a thing that nurses call “verbalize understanding.” Ask them outright, “Is this making sense?” or “Does that make sense?” or or “Do you have any questions about that?” or, if the context allows, just flat out, “Do you understand?” If the tasks/rules/whatever are complex, make sure they have something to write with and say, “You’ll want to write this down,” and then prompt them to write if they don’t do it.
Also, depending on how your depression manifests, your impatience with other people might decrease if treatment works for you. It also might not, so don’t rely on that happening, but my patience can be a deep well or a shallow pool depending on the current efficacy of my medication.
Virgin Mary – I really miss Ground Force! Here in the U.S. we got it on HGTV in the early 2000’s. There were a lot of Brit home improvement shows on then before HGTV really started developing their own programming and I loved them all!
Kale
I know what you mean, except as a fat, cis, het woman, I can find other fat women attractive now but not myself.
WWTH
We fluffy fatties feed them till they’re fat! Well, at least that’s what I did ;0 Also, I always figured we feminists recruited the fat women, you know, like religious cults recruit the emotionally vulnerable. Maybe we should ask Katie?
I’m having such a great day! First, my closet rebuild is done and I’m havin’ me a closet party with my own bad self. Second, a Mammoth blog post all about me! Wheee!
MRA’s: “I HATE THE FAT ACCEPTANCE MOVEMENT!!! THEY KEEP TRYING TO TELL MEN WHAT THEY CAN AND CANT FIND ATTRACTIVE!!!! THATS FOR US TO DECIDE!!!! NOT YOU FATTIES!!!”
*Sees a lean man going out with a woman who weighs more that 65 lbs*
MRA’s: “HE ONLY THIIIIIINKSSSS HES HAPPY GOING OUT WITH THAT MORBIDLY OBESE LAND WHALE HAM BEAST, HE CANT REALLY BE ATTRACTED TO HER!!!!!! ITS NOT NATURAL!!! ITS NOT RIGHT!!! HE’S REALLY ONLY ATTRACTED TO THIRTEEN YEAR OLD ASIAN SCHOOL GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Just replace ‘someone’ with ‘some woman’ and you get the Manosphere or at least a key part of it.
It’s almost as if these guys have never heard the relevant nursery rhyme.
Jack Sprat could eat no fat
His wife could eat no lean
And, so, betwixt the both of the them
They licked the platter clean
When I was a wee thing, I thought that nursery rhyme described a logical, balanced relationship. And hey, no food goes to waste, either.
This is kind of pre-ninja’d in advance beforehand, but the first several times I cat-sat for a neighbour I preferred and in the end had to ask them to give me the routine in writing (the cat was on two different meds, in different amounts and given in different ways at two different times of day, so I really didn’t want to forget or anything) + their phone nos + the vet’s phone no. that you’re never going to need but it’s nice to have it just in case …
I also usually find it much easier to take things in if I can read them. And then if you can’t bring it to mind next day you can check, without feeling like a dork for asking yet again :-). So writing down at least the essentials = win-win?
@IP I sorta am hyper verbal so I had a bad problem w interrupting. I wld listen but just get excited, bursting to speak… Some ppl might get mad but for me honestly ppl correcting me helps.My friends/fam tell me I have improved. Maybe even at the outset just ask them to let you finish… break up your sentences with “any Qs/thoughts?” so they will get into the groove of waiting their turn.