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Is Rey from Star Wars an affront to God and a terrible role model for women?

An affront to God, apparently?
Beating up dudes with a stick is not very ladylike, young missy!

So the question on the table for today is: Are asskicking women in action films an affront to “godly, awesome, beautiful, feminine women” and, well, now that you come to mention it, our heavenly Father too?

According to Christian cultural critic Nathan Alberson, the answer is “yes.”

That’s the short version of his answer, in any case. The long version is a rambling 3000-word diatribe that Alberson casts as “AN OPEN LETTER TO REY FROM STAR WARS.” Originally posted in March on Warhorn, a site I’ve never heard of before, his post is now being passed around by irritated feminists, many of whom aren’t quite sure whether his argument is real or an elaborate parody.

Having poked around Warhorn a bit, I’m pretty sure that Alberson is sincere. He genuinely thinks that characters like Rey in Star Wars are an affront not only to his own masculinity but to God, for whom Alberson seems to think he’s a spokesman.

Alberson starts out his “open letter” by addressing not only Rey but an assortment of other heroines in science fiction and fantasy films, including, among others,

Princess Leia. And Wonder Woman. And Sarah Connor and Trinity and Imperator Furiosa … and Katniss Everdeen and River Tam … And Feminist Elf-Kate from The Hobbit. … And the godmother of them all, Ellen Ripley.

The problem with these fictional women? They’re strong. And women in the real world are weak. Because God made them that way. So kickass women in action movies (and the women who play them) not only “look ridiculous,” they’re also

behaving … in ways that do not befit your sex or glorify God. … Your friends and family and fans may not laugh at you. But the angels do and history will.

I’ve seen this same argument made by antifeminists I don’t know how many times — though generally without all that stuff about God and the laughing angels. Women in the real world are, on average, weaker than men, all these guys say. So it’s unrealistic to think that any female heroine could beat up a man.

Here’s my open letter to Alberson:

Dear Mr. Alberson, 

Have you ever actually seen an action movie?

Sincerely,

David

I mean, dude, seriously, you’re mad that Trinity from the Matrix can jump high and beat up dudes?

The Matrix movies are about a dystopian future in which humans “live” in a computer-generated virtual world while their bodies in the real world are used to generate electricity. And the part of the movie that seems the most unrealistic to you is that Trinity, while she’s in the video-game-like matrix, can jump high and beat up dudes?

You do remember that by the end of the movie Neo can slow down time, repel bullets with his mind, and, you know, FLY?

In the original Star Wars, Darth Vader strangles a dude with his mind, by using a mysterious force called, you know, The Force. But the unbelievable thing to you is that Princess Leia knows how to use a blaster?

It’s true that in the real world women can’t do all the amazing things that fictional women in science fiction and action films do. But, as I pointed out the last time I wrote about this goofy argument, neither can men.

Seriously, have you seen any movie with Jason Statham in it? Sure, Statham could kick my ass, and probably yours, in the real world. But he can’t actually do all the unbelievable things his characters do on film.

I mean, the first Crank movie, as unrealistic in its violence (and its physics) as a Roadrunner cartoon, ends with Statham’s character, Chev Chelios, dispatching his arch nemesis, then calmly calling his girlfriend and leaving her a message — all while plummeting to earth from a helicopter without a parachute. SPOILER ALERT: he lives.

No, really.

And here’s a sort of greatest hits compilation from all his films:

I eagerly await Alberson’s Open Letter to Chev From Crank.

And then he’ll need to write open letters to James Bond, Jason Bourne, Rambo and John McClane. And practically every character Arnold Schwarzenegger has ever played.

But of course, Alberson isn’t just worried that kickass women in action films are unrealistic. He also think they send the wrong messages to women — and to men.

[T]he cumulative effect of watching movie after movie wherein fine ladies … suddenly crunch the bones of a dozen bad guys at a time is that some silly people get the idea there’s no real difference between men and women’s bodies … .

Really? I don’t think that’s the message being sent by, oh, Tomb Raider.

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Or any of the innumerable action films in which the heroine wears skin-tight, often fetishistic outfits that sexualize her in a way that most male action stars aren’t.

I mean, sure, Bruce Willis wore that cute orange tank top in The Fifth Element, but Milla Jovavich wore, you know, this:

Get that woman a Multipass!
Get that woman a Multipass!

Hell, in the Underworld movies, Kate Beckinsale wears a corset while fighting the werewolf menace.

This outfit doesn't look very practial
This outfit doesn’t look very practical

But apparently all these women look pretty manly to Alberson.

Movies and TV were a big part of how I learned who women were. And they lied to me. They told me that women were glorified boys who tagged along on adventures, took care of themselves, and wouldn’t let you have sex with them until sometime late in act 2 when, for no particular reason, they would.

These are terrible things to learn about women.

These movies, he thinks, should have been teaching him that women were frail flowers who need to be protected by men like him.

What I need is something to fight for, someone to fight for, someone to protect. If you rob me of that, you rob me of my dignity as a man.

Because men are supposed to be the white knights who rescue women (mostly from men who aren’t white knights).

As men, we were born with bodies and minds crafted for war. We are the warriors, the peacekeepers, the protectors—the bloodshedders, when the time is right. Every man is a father, whether of his own children, or the people that work for him, or the folks he leads at church. As such, he must be ready to uphold what is virtuous and punish what is evil.

And so Alberson has decided that his white knight quest for the moment is to take on the “wicked men” who make action movies with kickass heroines. He feels he needs to stand up for “all the girls and women out there who want to be godly, awesome, beautiful, feminine women,” who “feel beaten up” every time they see a fictional heroine beat someone up.

If only, he laments, the fathers and/or husbands of the actresses who’ve played action heroines had “loved them enough to tell them they weren’t allowed to do what they did.”

Alberson is pretty big on the whole “men telling women what to do” thing, urging his male readers to

Protect your wives and mothers and daughters and sisters. Honor them. Make them feel special. … When you see them trying to be like the ladies in those movies, tell them no. Tell them that isn’t what you want.

Indeed, Alberson seems to think that women trying to be like kickass female action stars is one of the leading causes of divorce.

Men lie to themselves and women about the sort of women they want. Women are gullible and believe the lie and become the women they think men want. Then men reject them because men never wanted those sorts of women in the first place.

And men do reject them. Look at the divorce statistics, look at the TV shows and books and articles by women desperately wondering why it’s so hard to hold on to a man. That’s a bigger problem than the purview of this letter, but you fictional female warriors are part of it.

I’m pretty sure no man has ever divorced his wife because she reminded him too much of Milla Jovavich in The Fifth Element. Or Sigorney Weaver in Aliens. Or Charlize Theron in anything. Well, anything except Monster.

Alberson’s argument really needs to have a stake driven through its heart. Buffy, can you do the honors?

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Antisocialite
Antisocialite
8 years ago

@Hambeast:

“I think these guys are also kind of living in fear that they’ll have to start doing ‘women’s work’ since the women might be inspired to want to do other things. Can’t have that!”

Exactly, and let’s face it, this is why gender roles were created the way they were; in other words, by men for the benefit of men. Protector my ass. The only thing women need protection from is dangerous men.

Wondering
Wondering
8 years ago

I think he’s talking about Lilly’s character, since her actress played Kate Austen on Lost. I personally have massive issues with Tauriel, which is why I always cringe when misogynistic idiots attack her for stupid reasons.

Ohhh. I didn’t even make the Kate-in-Lost connection.

I, too, have problems with Tauriel, but his issues are nowhere near the ones I have.

katz
8 years ago

Tauriel was really unfortunate. The reason for including her was sound, but guaranteed to upset the fanboys. But the actual implementation was so flawed as to piss off all the people she was intended to please. So no one was happy with her.

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
8 years ago

Well, in that case I got nothing to worry about. As a WoC, according to Albersons standards, Im the most dainty, godly, feminine woman who ever womaned in womening, since not a single one of the movies he listed features any women who look like me.

Oh, I think fat girls are okay too. Fatness must be next to godliness, along with various physical and emotional disabilities, which make all such women special, fragile, snowflakes, since none of them are featured in these movies, (outside of Furiosa.)We must also include all women over forty. Once we age out of the impact zone for these films, we will become more godly and feminine, I guess.

So, as a fat, black woman, who is over forty , I know I’m getting into Heaven now, (no matter how atheistic), I am! Whooo!/s

Ledasmom
Ledasmom
8 years ago

Whenever I read something like this, I wish I could find that book I had by (I think) Lou Whittaker, on mountaineering and guiding. There’s one bit about the porters who were paid, by the pound, to tote trash and supplies down from base camp. One night, at base camp, the author thought he heard a baby crying.
Turns out the mother’s babysitting arrangements fell through, so she – from the picture, a smallish woman – put the baby in the cradle and the cradle on top of the seventy-five-pound pack(the maximum-size load) she was carrying. The cradle appears to be a sturdy one, made of wood. In the picture, she is smiling.
Your move, Nathan Alberson.

Redsilkphoenix
Redsilkphoenix
8 years ago

April 18, 2016 at 5:12 pm
“Han Solo is too old, and Finn and Poe are so inconsequential that they don’t even remember them,” he said. “So the character they end up playing as is Kylo Ren.”
Dude, just say it. We all know you mean “Finn and Poe aren’t white.”

Uhm, pardon my ignorance here, but if Poe’s not white, then what is he? (I haven’t bothered to look up what ethnicity his actor is, so I really have no clue on this one.)

And from what little I’ve seen of TFA, even an old Han Solo can still kick ass when he needs to. What, he was supposed to go into a nursing home once he was older than 65 and rot there? Both he and an older Princess Leia (and Chewbacca) deserve better than that! >:|

TheDreadVampy
TheDreadVampy
8 years ago

@redsilkphoenix – Oscar Isaac, who plays Poe, is Latino (specifically, Guatemalan)

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
8 years ago

The actor that plays Poe Dameron is Latino. Oscar Isaac is from Guatemala.

Incidentally, I loved seeing Leia. It gave me such a happy, I was almost in tears. And I totally fell in love with Finn. Rey ain’t bad either. They’re all such wonderful characters, and I had SO much fun at this movie.

ETA: Ooo! Ninja’d!

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

@Redsilk

He’s Guatemalan.

EDIT: *attacked by ninjas*

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
8 years ago

@redsilkphoenix

Chewie is a Wookie. They live a lot longer so he’s probably not even near The Wall ™ yet. 😉

katz
8 years ago

I love so much that none of the characters in the hero archetype are white dudes. And hell, maybe not straight either.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/b851fe3c3004f09f3f40ab13688698e8/tumblr_nzmmy72NWJ1tbnt80o1_1280.jpg

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

Makroth,
Then why is AVFM gasping its last?

Redsilkphoenix
Redsilkphoenix
8 years ago

@DreadVampy, @Lkeke35, @SFHC:

Thanks. Isaac’s ethnicity does explain why this guy complaining about his boys’ having no-one to play from that movie didn’t notice Poe’s presence there. Latinos are supposed to be invisible in the movies even when they’re the leads, yes?

Though personally I rather suspect that, given the stated ages of the little boys in question, they’re attracted to Kylo Ren far more because he had the Cool Costume and the fun light-up sword rather than Daddy’s unexamined racism towards the nonwhite notyoung notmale lead (and secondary) characters.

pitshade
pitshade
8 years ago

@Lea
It’s no longer needed since Elam found all the parts for the Weather Dominator?

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
8 years ago

He wants godly women.

Did I hear anyone say … Joan of Arc ?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
8 years ago

Off Topic:

Who wants to watch a video making fun of Thunderbutt, in which the narrator talks about Thundertoes’ video about Ghostbusters which turns into a video complaining about Anita Sarkeesian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpgBkpb7xlU

(Thumbnail from a clip within the vid and not their actual work btw.)

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

One of my all-time favorite action movies is 1952s The Crimson Pirate. It begins with Burt Lancaster saying direct to camera: “Remember: in a pirate ship, in pirate waters, in a pirate world, ask no questions. Believe only what you see. No… believe half of what you see.”

In other words, “What you are about to see is bullshit. Enjoy!” I think that’s a good comeback to anyone who complains that any aspect of a movie about duelling space wizards is ‘unrealistic’.

jy3, Social Justice Beguiler
jy3, Social Justice Beguiler
8 years ago

Leaving this here, since we all seem to be posting videos:

katz
8 years ago

Though personally I rather suspect that, given the stated ages of the little boys in question, they’re attracted to Kylo Ren far more because he had the Cool Costume and the fun light-up sword rather than Daddy’s unexamined racism towards the nonwhite notyoung notmale lead (and secondary) characters.

Those needn’t be mutually exclusive. Actually probably the most important factor is that Disney flogged Kylo Ren so hard.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

As men, we were born with bodies and minds crafted for war. We are the warriors, the peacekeepers, the protectors—the bloodshedders, when the time is right. Every man is a father, whether of his own children, or the people that work for him, or the folks he leads at church. As such, he must be ready to uphold what is virtuous and punish what is evil.

So many excellent responses to the godly movie critic Nathan Alberson!

As men, we were born with bodies and minds crafted for war.
Tell that to the God you supposedly worship, who said, “Love your enemies” (Matthew 5:44).

We are the warriors, the peacekeepers, the protectors—the bloodshedders, when the time is right.
Okey-doke. But you’ve never actually been in the military, right? You just watch “bloodshed” in movies?

Every man is a father, whether of his own children, or the people that work for him, or the folks he leads at church.
Aaand you’ve got no children–you just want to brag about how you might be raising children. Or maybe you’re raising your employees? (You have none.) Or maybe you’re raising the people who attend the same church that you do? (You don’t go to church.) Also, ewww.

As such, he must be ready to uphold what is virtuous and punish what is evil.
Again, tell that to the God you supposedly worship. “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7:1).

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

Meanwhile, I actually have singlehandedly taken on a group of knife-wielding bad guys and come out on top (true story – home invasion). As much as the whole experience sucked, I still have to laugh whenever I see one of these stupid “But wimminz are weak! So unrealistic!” whinerants.

Whoa! I’m glad that worked out well. You are indeed a badass!

calmdown
calmdown
8 years ago

even an old Han Solo can still kick ass when he needs to.

I know, I was expecting the racism, sexism, anti-semitism, and homophobia, but the ageism kind of surprised me. They always seem to have another ‘ism’ to pull out even when you think there couldn’t be anyone else left to discriminate against. Why? Old people do stuff all the time, especially in Star Wars. Obi-wan was old in A New Hope and was badass, and Yoda is like 900 years old! Why did they think Luke, Han or Leia would just retire at age 50? What kind of crappy movie character would do that?

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
8 years ago

In A New Hope, David Prowse was twenty years younger than Alec Guiness and six inches taller, yet Obi Wan only loses to Vader because he chooses to do so. Obi Wan is a Mary Sue!

Tessa
Tessa
8 years ago

Pandapool:
Thanks for posting that. Thunderf00t always has the worst arguments. It’s hilarious he turned it into a rant about Anita Sarkeesian, but his anger over the picture of the women on the crew is amazing. OK, it’s not all that amazing, and his reasoning for being so angry is another one of his horrible arguments. Up there with if Anita thinks it’s bad that the Double Dragon brothers rescue someone, then firemen and police must all be bad for rescuing people.

Also, can someone explain how Finn is inconsequential in TFA (other than, he’s not white, which is sadly probably the answer)?