A few days ago, racist skeezeball fantasy author Vox Day noted on his blog just how nice it would be to have a handy public list of all the people he hates. Sorry, a list of “confirmed SJWs.” It would be a handy resource, he said, both for SJWs looking to hire other SJWs, as well as “for those who wish to keep their organizations free of the creatures.”
You can probably figure out which of these two reasons is the real reason for the list, and which is the utterly transparent fig leaf.
Vox helpfully suggested that anyone seeking to make such a list could start with the names of those who signed a petition condemning a scheduled speech by programmer Curtis Yarvin at the upcoming LambdaConf, on the grounds that Yarvin, also known as Mencius Moldbug, is not only a programmer but is also “a founder and advocate of an ideological movement that promotes racist bigotry,” not to mention “an apologist for slavery.”
No sooner had Vox made this suggestion than a such a list appeared, in the form of a Wiki (archived here), featuring the petition-signers and a handful of other alleged SJWs. Vox claims not to have a direct hand in what the site rather misleadingly calls The Complete List of SJWs, attributing its sudden appearance to his followers — or, as he likes to call them, the “Dread Ilk.” But this is clearly the beginnings of the enemies list of Vox’s dreams.
So how does one get on such a list? The listmakers themselves don’t seem altogether sure. At first, they declare that
[t]he SJWs listed should be on the record supporting censorship of some kind (no platforming, government censorship, or disemploying people). This is not a place for grudges.
In the wiki’s FAQ, they reiterate this point, saying they will only include those who have
publicly called for someone to be fired, disinvited, shunned, no-platformed, or otherwise punished or silenced for refusing to submit to the SJW Narrative. The particular incident is linked to your name in the list.
Immediately after this pronouncement, though, they declare that the list will also contain the names of those who have declared themselves SJWs, as well as journalists who’ve published “articles that support the SJW Narrative” — whatever that means — “or an SJW attack campaign.”
So far they have not been following these rules very carefully. Some names appear on the list with no information given about their alleged “incidents.” Others are included, well, apparently just because Vox and his Ilk don’t like them.
The list also maliciously deadnames several trans women, attempting to justify this despicable policy by suggesting that these women are using “pseudonyms in place of their actual, legal names in an attempt to obfuscate their identities.” This is obvious nonsense.
So who makes the list?
The vast majority of the names on the list are simply people who signed the LamdaConf petition.
But there are some other, more recognizable, names. John Scalzi, a science fiction author who has long been Vox’s greatest nemesis, makes the list, naturally; the listmakers blame him for Vox’s expulsion from the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, though it is perhaps more accurate to say that Vox was expelled for being a huge racist dickhead.
Cartoonist and memoirist Alison Bechdel is included on the list because, 30 years ago, she drew a comic strip in which one of the characters said she only went to movies that featured at least two female characters who talk to one another, at least once, about something other than a man.
This comic strip is the origin of what’s now called the “Bechdel Test,” but Bechdel herself never publicized the “test,” the idea for which (as she freely admits) she got from a friend.
Actor, writer and geek icon Will Wheaton makes the list for Tweeting comments defending actress and Geek and Sundry founder Felicia Day, a friend of his, after a Destructoid writer, apparently drunk, made some ignorant and misogynistic remarks about her. The writer was fired, as drunken dickheads who do stupid things when they’re drunk sometimes are. “This tweet exemplifies [Wheaton’s] SJW status,” the listmakers sniff.
Writer, and former Jeopardy champion Arthur Chu is on the list because he jokingly referred to himself as “a social justice stormtrooper” and because “he is alleged to have been responsible for the bomb threat that disrupted the #GamerGate meetup in Washington D.C. on May 1, 2015.”
That’s right” “he is alleged.” There is absolutely no evidence, or even a good reason to suspect, that he had anything whatsoever to do with the alleged bomb threat. Gamergaters essentially decided to accuse him of making the threat because they don’t like him. And that’s good enough for Vox’s listmakers!
And then there’s Carpenter Brut, a composer included on the list because he objected to his music being used without permission in a virulently anti-refugee “documentary” titled “With Open Gates: The Forced Collective Suicide of European Nations.”
This 20-minute propaganda film is essentially a collection of out-of-context video clips edited together into a melodramatic montage by an 8chan user who debuted it by posting it to the notoriously racist /pol/ board; it’s been pretty thoroughly debunked by, among others, Snopes.com (which declared it “deceptive”) and Vice (which described it as “a mishmash of comically fake and out-of-context footage, bad subtitling and Islamophobic propaganda”).
Brut objected to having his music in this piece of garbage, so now he’s on the list.
Perhaps the list should be renamed The Complete List of Really Pretty Decent People Who’ve Offended Vox Day by Being Really Pretty Decent.
All beer is rotgut. It’s been decreed.
@WWTH
I see similar things when it comes to a lot of subjective tastes, though it does seem like food is especially “volatile” – maybe because not everyone watches TV, or plays video games, but pretty much everybody eats?
Would that all people think that way, dlouwe. I cannot tell you how much shit I have caught for not liking beer, or any alcohol for that matter.
As for your confusion, I thought it was clear from context that I meant, “This is my, admittedly strong, opinion,” and not, “Fuck beer and everyone who likes it.” I still hate it and don’t understand how anyone can stand it, but it doesn’t bother me that people do. Sorry if that wasn’t apparent.
@dlouwe
Yeah, that’s a pet peeve of mine too.
@dlouwe, @IP, I have to admit I’ve said things like that – but never about something someone’s actually actively eating, or interrupting a discussion, only when asked my opinion of a specific food.
There’s a site dedicated to banning cilantro? I mean, I get that there’s a genetic variant that causes it to taste like soap for some people, but then just don’t eat it? I have a genetic variant that causes my immune system to attack my gut when I eat certain foods, but the most I’ve done is sign petitions around better regulation of food labeling. These fools just don’t like the flavor of something and they ask for it to be banned?
I think the only potential justification for campaigning against a food is where there’s a food security issue.
So where a food suddenly becomes trendy but has a cost to other people then it may be ok to raise the issue. Take Quinoa for example. That suddenly became a hip food choice, which fuelled demand and put the price up. That had a severe knock on effect in the countries where it’s grown and it’s a food staple for the local populace (who could no longer afford it, assuming their local supply hadn’t been exported anyway).
That’s more of an awareness issue though; and in the grand scheme of things it’s our over consumption of food generally that leads to malnutrition and starvation in other parts of the world. Rather than banning any particular food we’d be better off ensuring an equitable distribution of food generally.
Which might be more of a defence if there hadn’t been comments about what he was like back at York University (in the ‘don’t be alone with him’ sense) suggesting that he might have been using his public support of feminism to get close to people even then.
Not to mention that ‘women are as much people as everybody else’ and ‘I should be allowed to choke people to make me happy’ aren’t actually contradictory: it just suggests you might be dealing with straight-up narcissism rather than just misogyny. It’s possible to see women as equal to men and still consider oneself above all that.
@Number Sequence
That’s fair, I had originally read it as an objection to an earlier post differentiating rotgut from good beer (i.e. “There is no such thing as good beer”) rather than just personal opinion. In fact, until fairly recently I would have agreed; I couldn’t touch beer until my mid 20’s. Before then even a couple sips would literally turn my stomach.
That’s also the reason I really liked the Animated Series Batman. He wasn’t just “WHERE ARE THEY?!”, “SWEAR TO ME!” and “I AM THE NIGHT!” hoarsely shouted for an hour and a half, he was also very compassionate and understood that his villains weren’t always villains because they wanted to be, sometimes they were also victims of circumstance.
For instance, one of my favorite episodes is Harley’s Holiday, where she finally gets out of Arkham, and there’s a few bad coincidences starting with a dress in a department store that end up putting her back in her life of crime because she was so frustrated that she didn’t know how everything worked, and felt like she was being pushed around by everyone.
The end of the episode has Batman escorting Harley back into Arkham, and giving her the dress that started the whole kerfuffle.
She asks him, kinda teary-eyed: “Why are you being so nice to me?”
And he responds: “Because I had a bad day once too.”
I miss this Batman.
I also miss Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond. Vastly underrated show, if you ask me.
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For everyone who liked my parody: Aw, thanks everyone! 😀 I worked all of five minutes on it, and I richly deserve all the praise. [/slight sarcasm]
For those among us who aren’t fans of The Mikado, here’s the tune, via Thomas Allen:
For me, there’s only one Batman (also the coolest Batmobile)
http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=1937&batman-bomb.jpg
I remember that episode, yes. You really did feel sorry for poor Harley after that. All that starting just because she was so excited that she didn’t let them remove the security tag from the dress she’d just bought before dashing for the door.
Pretty much all of my friends consider Batman: The Animated Series to be the definitive Batman, against which all others are compared (and usually found wanting). And it’s because of things like that, where the characters were, at their heart, human and flawed. Including and especially the hero.
Some of them were just doing a better job of trying to make the best of it than others.
Agree with all the above about Batman: TAS. I always had a soft spot for Clayface, myself. It’s too bad they didn’t give him more episodes, apparently he was too expensive to animate and difficult to write for.
@dlouwe
That’s probably why the word got into my head. I do have an issue with recycling words I just heard/read without realizing it.
But yeah, I’m on your side, though I don’t see the protesting, so to speak, as much as everyone else does. I usually get, “You don’t like thing?! What? No, you must like thing!” It is aggrivating.
My friend likes BTAS and her online icon on a few sites is a pretty infamous scowling Joker face from that series. He was voiced by Hamill and boy oh boy was he great! He had lines like “You killed Captain Clown? You killed Captain Clown?!” Can’t wait for The Killing Joke animated movie! Now, if only Jared Leto took some cues from Hamill on how to portray such an iconic character…
The BTAS and JLA version of Batman is definitely my favorite version of the character. I used to read the comics too, back in the ’80s and ’90s. I remember reading The Dark Knight Returns and hating it. I came back and read it again later and decided that I admired the artistry of it, but I still don’t care for it very much. The Killing Joke… ah, so cool when I was fifteen, but looking at it now… No, just no.
On the other hand, I would recommend Knightfall. For all that it’s overblown, horribly grimdark and ableist, it nails its colours to the mast and says ‘being an asshole is not what Batman does. If you are an asshole, you’d make a lousy Batman.’
@FrickleFrackle: Yeah, he’s too busy being an edgelord by sending his co-stars used condoms, which I’m pretty sure would constitute sexual harassment, and pigs scrawled with the phrase “Am I like Ledger yet?!” all over them.
I’m ashamed to admit I like 30 Seconds to Mars now.
The levels of Try-Hard in this movie is already staggering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCiFO7qV54E
Actual Theme Song of Suicide Squad
For my money, the worst food people are the whole milk people. Their level of “must harangue you for your personal choice of different food options” makes the carnivores look tolerant.
@Paradoxical Intention
You should be ashamed of liking 30 Seconds to Mars in and of itself. Good taste is probably as foreign a concept to your palate as sunscreen to an Ethiopian.
@Number Sequence:
“This is my strong opinion” didn’t get conveyed to me so much as “fuck you if you like beer” because responding to “Some beer is good” with “All beer is rotgut” is highly antagonistic. The way it comes across, at least to me, is that anybody who likes beer must just be wrong and their body must be wrong for being able to handle/enjoy beer.
PI, bravo. And about this:
I suppose one good thing to come out of VD’s general garbageness is that I started reading N. K. Jemisin. I’m really enjoying The Fifth Season at the moment.
I’ve heard of people incredibly excited about raw (non-pasteurized) milk, but not people who want to loudly tell you their opinions on whole milk.
@Moggie
Ooh, thanks for the recommendation!
On the food critique subject:
This isn’t really a new thing. Case in point: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-08-04/news/1993216204_1_hot-dogs-ketchup-chicago-dog
Part of it, of course, is just hyperbole for fun. I have some rather vulgar descriptions of broccoli, because I literally will gag and spit it out if I try to eat some, and because the smell of it cooking makes me nauseated. So I tend to speak of it as one would any hellspawned obscenity. If you make the statement sufficiently absurd and self-aggrandizing, it’s usually clear that no, you don’t literally think that people who like/don’t like some food are defective, and in fact you’re mocking your own extreme reaction to the subject.
It gets dodgier when people step back from being completely over the top, because then it’s harder to tell if they’re being hyperbolic or just assholish. In my experience, it’s usually the fans of something that fall into this category, rather than the detractors (at least, when it comes to foods). Food snobs are far more likely to seriously rip into someone who dislikes their personal faves. (Compare/contrast to the way GamerGators react to the idea that their medium is rife with sexist portrayals of women. The more you identify as a ‘fan’ of something, the easier it is to become rabidly defensive when that thing is criticized or dismissed.)