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Vox Day’s fans are making him an enemies list. But they’re not checking it twice

Another guy who had a list
Another guy who had a list

A few days ago, racist skeezeball fantasy author Vox Day noted on his blog just how nice it would be to have a handy public list of all the people he hates. Sorry, a list of “confirmed SJWs.” It would be a handy resource, he said, both for SJWs looking to hire other SJWs, as well as “for those who wish to keep their organizations free of the creatures.”

You can probably figure out which of these two reasons is the real reason for the list, and which is the utterly transparent fig leaf.

Vox helpfully suggested that anyone seeking to make such a list could start with the names of those who signed a petition condemning a scheduled speech by programmer Curtis Yarvin at the upcoming LambdaConf, on the grounds that Yarvin, also known as Mencius Moldbug, is not only a programmer but is also “a founder and advocate of an ideological movement that promotes racist bigotry,” not to mention “an apologist for slavery.”

No sooner had Vox made this suggestion than a such a list appeared, in the form of a Wiki (archived here), featuring the petition-signers and a handful of other alleged SJWs. Vox claims not to have a direct hand in what the site rather misleadingly calls The Complete List of SJWs, attributing its sudden appearance to his followers — or, as he likes to call them, the “Dread Ilk.” But this is clearly the beginnings of the enemies list of Vox’s dreams.

So how does one get on such a list? The listmakers themselves don’t seem altogether sure. At first, they declare that

[t]he SJWs listed should be on the record supporting censorship of some kind (no platforming, government censorship, or disemploying people). This is not a place for grudges.

In the wiki’s FAQ, they reiterate this point, saying they will only include those who have

publicly called for someone to be fired, disinvited, shunned, no-platformed, or otherwise punished or silenced for refusing to submit to the SJW Narrative. The particular incident is linked to your name in the list. 

Immediately after this pronouncement, though, they declare that the list will also contain the names of  those who have declared themselves SJWs, as well as journalists who’ve published “articles that support the SJW Narrative” — whatever that means — “or an SJW attack campaign.”

So far they have not been following these rules very carefully. Some names appear on the list with no information given about their alleged “incidents.” Others are included, well, apparently just because Vox and his Ilk don’t like them.

The list also maliciously deadnames several trans women, attempting to justify this despicable policy by suggesting that these women are using “pseudonyms in place of their actual, legal names in an attempt to obfuscate their identities.” This is obvious nonsense.

So who makes the list?

The vast majority of the names on the list are simply people who signed the LamdaConf petition.

But there are some other, more recognizable, names. John Scalzi, a science fiction author who has long been Vox’s greatest nemesis, makes the list, naturally; the listmakers blame him for Vox’s expulsion from the  Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, though it is perhaps more accurate to say that Vox was expelled for being a huge racist dickhead.

Cartoonist and memoirist Alison Bechdel is included on the list because, 30 years ago, she drew a comic strip in which one of the characters said she only went to movies that featured at least two female characters who talk to one another, at least once, about something other than a man.

This comic strip is the origin of what’s now called the “Bechdel Test,” but Bechdel herself never publicized the “test,” the idea for which (as she freely admits) she got from a friend.

Actor, writer and geek icon Will Wheaton makes the list for Tweeting comments defending actress and Geek and Sundry founder Felicia Day, a friend of his, after a Destructoid writer, apparently drunk, made some ignorant and misogynistic remarks about her. The writer was fired, as drunken dickheads who do stupid things when they’re drunk sometimes are. “This tweet exemplifies [Wheaton’s] SJW status,” the listmakers sniff.

Writer, and former Jeopardy champion Arthur Chu is on the list because he jokingly referred to himself  as “a social justice stormtrooper” and because “he is alleged to have been responsible for the bomb threat that disrupted the #GamerGate meetup in Washington D.C. on May 1, 2015.”

That’s right” “he is alleged.” There is absolutely no evidence, or even a good reason to suspect, that he had anything whatsoever to do with the alleged bomb threat. Gamergaters essentially decided to accuse him of making the threat because they don’t like him. And that’s good enough for Vox’s listmakers!

 

And then there’s Carpenter Brut, a composer included on the list because he objected to his music being used without permission in a virulently anti-refugee “documentary” titled “With Open Gates: The Forced Collective Suicide of European Nations.”

This 20-minute propaganda film is essentially a collection of out-of-context video clips edited together into a melodramatic montage by an 8chan user who debuted it by posting it to the notoriously racist /pol/ board; it’s been pretty thoroughly debunked by, among others, Snopes.com (which declared it “deceptive”) and Vice (which described it as “a mishmash of comically fake and out-of-context footage, bad subtitling and Islamophobic propaganda”).

Brut objected to having his music in this piece of garbage, so now he’s on the list.

 

Perhaps the list should be renamed The Complete List of Really Pretty Decent People Who’ve Offended Vox Day by Being Really Pretty Decent.

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Huggbees
Huggbees
4 years ago

I’ve been observing GamerGate, The Manosphere MRAs and the like for a while now and one thing that just baffles me is the SJW thing and these guys constantly using that term as an insult. Since when having compassion for others and well, being a decent human being such a bad thing? Didn’t we learn this in kindergarten? You know, be nice don’t call others names that sort of thing? I know I know it’s the internet but still this just never ceases to amaze me.

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
4 years ago

Huggbees: I was going to say much the same. You beat me to it. I’m just baffled that this is an insult.
(I prefer the term, Social Justice Clerk, since I’m a librarian.)

Okay, I’m still wrapping my head around the idea that there are people on this earth (primarily white and male) who are proudly and vehemently against “social justice”, yet are not Klan members, per se.

So they’re “against ” justice?

Okay, now my head hurts.

Catherwood
Catherwood
4 years ago

You have to understand, that “social justice” here means, “pointing that dickheads are being dickheads, and that it’s a bad thing and they should cut that crap out”.

Since these guys ARE dickheads, it’s no surprise that they regard this as a pejorative term.

brian
brian
4 years ago

what the hell is “no platforming”?

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

I, for one, would be honored to be included on that list. Generally pissing off bigots is a good thing, IMHO.

And yeah, I have asked myself that question as well, many many times. I still can’t figure it out. Why would anyone be against justice unless they were like, a super villain or something.

brian
brian
4 years ago

“This is not a place for grudges” they proclaim as they assemble a list of people with no conceivable purpose other than to make those on it targets of harassment.

Fabe
Fabe
4 years ago

Any one see the movie “Summer of Sam”? remember that scene where the characters where making a list of who they think the .44 Caliber Killer is which was pretty much just a list of people they didn’t like?

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Not wanting your art to be used without permission and compensation is censorship now?

I thought all these dudes were libertarians? They can’t even do that right. Property rights – and that would include intellectual property – is a pretty essential part of libertarianism. I’m just a silly little ladybrained commie SJW and even I knew that.

It’s almost like reactionaries really think freedom means “I do whatever I want and everyone does what I want too.”

what the hell is “no platforming”?

Having your blue twitter checkmark taken away?

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
4 years ago

“No platforming.”

When people object to an objectionable speaker being given a platform or an objectionable writer being given column space, assholes used to cry ‘free speech’.

After about the billionth rebuttal pointing out, correctly that free speech doesn’t entitle anyone to a platform, the assholes made up a new expression ‘no platforming’. It basically describes something that is perfectly normal–that is, people/organisations with platforms being selective about who’s aloud to use said platforms–and trying to make it sound sinister.

chiiillin
chiiillin
4 years ago

@brian: I’m pretty sure “no platforming” is when you protest someone’s appearance at an event of some sort, like people saying, “Donald Trump is not welcome to speak on our campus” kind of thing.

anon
anon
4 years ago

Is anyone going to volunteer to let them know that their list won’t be complete until they put their names on it?

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brian | April 13, 2016 at 7:56 pm
what the hell is “no platforming”?

If I recall correctly, it’s like getting someone banned on [social media site] because they broke the rules and you reported them.

So, they’re like people who weren’t upset by the fact that Milo lost his widdle blue checkmark.

EDIT: Nevermind, I was way off. : P Thanks ninjas!

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
4 years ago

No platforming? Please!

I consider my website to be my parlor, Sort of like my living room, where people are free to visit and have discussions, with me or any other guest, in my house (I pay rent, it’s my house.)

If you come into my house and act like a fool, I have the right to “no platform” your ass right out the side door. And if I really don’t like how you showed your ass, the last time you visited, I can bar the door to your re-entry.

What about that do these fools not understand? It’s not about censoring free speech. It’s about them acting a fool in someone else’s living room.

As for public websites: I work in a library. The public is always welcome there as long as they act right. Act a damn fool and you will get kicked out of any public place. Libraries, grocery stores, the Capitol building… no matter how much you pay in taxes, it’s not your space and you aren’t allowed to disrupt it.

What’s hard to get about that?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

And yeah, I have asked myself that question as well, many many times. I still can’t figure it out. Why would anyone be against justice unless they were like, a super villain or something.

I reckon it’s similar to my dad’s thoughts about the ACLU. He was ranting about it one day, and then specifically turned it to me and said I must be stupid to support the ACLU. I said something like, “I like civil liberties. I’m sorry you don’t enjoy liberties, but I do.”

His objection? That the ACLU doesn’t care about his liberties specifically, but only about the liberties of people who are not like him.

In other words, it’s partially racism, and partially “I’ve got mine, fuck you.”

Now, exactly like the ACLU, people who like social justice actually are concerned about the social justice that relates to otherwise-privileged white people. It just comes up less because those people rarely experience a miscarriage of social justice. Those factors that really do infringe on the rights of otherwise-privileged people are the actual focus of some actual activism by so-called SJWs, but racists and misogynists are angry that someone’s energy is going toward causes that don’t help them further their racism and misogyny.

My dad won’t admit it, and I could be wrong about this, but I think he’s also enraged when his racism is called what it is. Everyone knows that racism is bad and racists are bad people, but my dad thinks he is a good person. He doesn’t appreciate being called a bad person by the ACLU. When he sees people who believe the same racist things he does being sued by the ACLU and called racists, they are implicitly calling him a racist as well, and that makes him unhappy.

FrickleFrackle
FrickleFrackle
4 years ago

You can gauge your character by your enemies.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

These people are people who think that caring about something is a sign of weakness. This would make a Social Justice Warrior, someone who cares a lot, into the weakest weakling who ever weaked, using dirty weak tricks to weakly connive their way into control.

In short, these people have been stewing int he toxic effects of hypermasculinity far too long. That’s really all there is to it, in my head.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

David: Yep. Originally Social Justice Warrior was referring to the sort of overzealous social media attack dog eager to lead a dog pile at the slightest provocation.

These days, it’s used for describe anyone who believes racism and sexism hurt anyone other than white dudes.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
4 years ago

I used to have a friend who later became very anti-social justice (he considered himself pro-social justice earlier). When he made it clear to me how anti-social justice he had become, he explained it’s because he stands for compassion above all. By that he meant compassion for Paula Deen because it so just so mean of the SJWs to accuse her of racism (at no point did he express compassion for her black employees), and it’s also just so mean of feminists to tell men about male privilege because it can hurt men’s feelings! And he was beginning to use that most compassionate of news outlets Breitbart as a source.

Yes, how compassionate of him.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

“Hilarious” fact about how they also put that list together: they apparently gleaned names off “JewWatch” wiki, which is… well you can guess what kind of place that is.

BoinkBoinkBoinkBoinkBoinkBoink
BoinkBoinkBoinkBoinkBoinkBoink
4 years ago

I feel like the ONLY thing stopping these guys from becoming legit serial killers/mass murderers is their extreme physical laziness.

Not sure where it originated, but SJW got popular with Reddit shitposting screen shots from Tumblr for easy karma.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

Perhaps the list should be renamed The Complete List of Really Pretty Decent People Who’ve Offended Vox Day by Being Really Pretty Decent.

Not while it includes Ben Shapiro.

Dalillama
4 years ago

@ WWTH

I thought all these dudes were libertarians? They can’t even do that right. Property rights – and that would include intellectual property – is a pretty essential part of libertarianism

There’s actually a bit of a schism in right – libertarian circles on that topic. A considerable proportion of them oppose the of intellectual property entirely.

Number Sequence
Number Sequence
4 years ago

I know a few of those names and a few names that all come from the same place. I wonder if they’ll make a response or just go “pfft” and move on.

Similarly, there’s someone I know who I figured would be on there who isn’t. I don’t know if it’s disappointing he hasn’t made significant enough of a splash to be included or relieved that he’s not what is essentially a hit list.

That said, I saw a few people talking about the list, making fun of it, wondering how they get on it. My favorite being one person saying, “I show that I’m on this list to get into clubs easier.” And that sounds like the best way to deal with it. As many people should get on the list as possible, and that will transform it from a bunch of targets to a monument of failure built by the people’s failure it represents.

At least, that would be a cool idea if I didn’t think most of the people that creates and are maintaining this list are going to get bored and move onto complaining at people talking about the appropriateness, or lack therefore of, of butt poses or something like that.

Oh, and I think this goes without saying, but if this situation was reversed and an MRA/alt-right/whatever list were created by people not those things (as “SJW” has become so nebulous that that’s basically what it means), the shit fit thrown by these people would shatter the internet.

Pseudonym
Pseudonym
4 years ago

I note that David isn’t on the list, even though his “Beale hates me” credentials are better than almost all of the Lambdaconf petition signatories. (Including me, though I’m not on the list for some reason; I signed it early and everything.)

The thing that I find the most amusing about this is that most of the people behind the list would consider themselves to be against ideological purity and “call-out culture”. I’d like to be on a list of people who are enemies of that level of hypocrisy, but it wasn’t to be this time.

@David, you’re more or less correct about the etymology of “social justice warrior”. The Urban Dictionary entry states:

Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will “get SJ points” and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are “correct” in their social circle.

The SJW’s favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

There’s actually a bit of a schism in right – libertarian circles on that topic. A considerable proportion of them oppose the of intellectual property entirely.

In other words, some of them are dropping the pretense that there’s any kind of high minded ideals behind libertarianism and just admitting they want to be a selfish asshole and do anything they like with no consequences?

Tony
4 years ago

I love how these whiners keep going on about “no platforming”, as if people are entitled to a platform to speak from. College campuses may indeed be a place that champions the free exchange of ideas, but no one is entitled to be able to speak on a college campus (certainly not for a fee). The revocation of a speaking gig is not an infringement on the rights of anyone, bc there was no such right to begin with!

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
4 years ago

There’s actually a bit of a schism in right – libertarian circles on that topic. A considerable proportion of them oppose the of intellectual property entirely.

Sort of makes sense. Intellectual property is something that can only really be defended by on a national and international level, not by sitting on your porch with a shotgun.

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

On the website, it has a link to a page of “resources” for those who have supposedly been “victimized by SJW mob attacks.” Oh the irony.

I will never, ever understand the alt-right. Or the right at all.

Dustinzeit
Dustinzeit
4 years ago

@Dalilama

“Right” libertarianism is the only libertarianism; “libertarian-socialism” and its assorted Bakunin/Chomsky-flavored variants are bullshit, so far as I’m concerned.

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

Relating to “SJW”-I have debated with a lot of right-wingers, racists, and misogynists. Both online and at my school. Every time I ask them the question of why social justice is bad when all it is is about helping people who are disadvantaged, they always without fail give some vague explanation that usually boils down to “freeze peach” and “I should have the right to do whatever I want, whenever I want, to whoever I want. And you should have to right to ignore it and/or object to it.”

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

*no right. Damn this new computer…

NotPiffany
NotPiffany
4 years ago

Hey, David? Wil Wheaton spells his first name with one L, not two. I’m sure it’s a common mistake, but as someone who spent years getting her last name misspelled, I tend to notice that sort of thing. 🙂

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/confederate-emblem-anti-american-judge-flag-case-38349889

I guess unless they are also confederate fanboys they won’t claim that the SJW’s

/dun dun dun

are slowly taking away their culture (of racism).

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
4 years ago

“No platforming!” say the people who would probably delete all the comments that disagree with them on their websites.

FrickleFrackle
FrickleFrackle
4 years ago

sitting on your porch with a shotgun.

Oh no no, a shotgun is too passe for these guys. They need a man-portable rotary gun with high-velocity HE cartridges, or else they won’t be able to adequately defend themselves from the hordes of communists that are surely encroaching upon the libertarian’s sacred land!

FrickleFrackle
FrickleFrackle
4 years ago

Blockquoting Mammoth got to me, I guess.

Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
4 years ago

I’d probably be on the list for my heavy mockery of hyper-masculinity, all of which can be summed up as:

Beards Suck, Bacon Sucks, and Batman Sucks.

Because if something so much as a razor or a vegetable can utterly destroy your fragile masculinity, then are you really a man in the first place? Likewise, if you’re so damned scared about people who are not white and male being treated like human beings, were you even a decent human being in the first place?

Also, I just think superheroes like Batman are ridiculous… And well, kinda lame.

Bina
4 years ago

refusing to submit to the SJW Narrative

Translation: Spouting whatever obnoxious shit is currently the vogue in neo-Nazi circles.

Also, wow, is Teddy-boy ever butthurt about “narratives”. Surely not because he’s a crappy fiction writer whose ass got kicked nine ways till Friday by a much more competent author who happens to be politically to the left of him? And because he himself got no-platformed at the Hugos because, well, he’s a crappy dreck writer in general, and a crappy right-wing dreck writer in particular?

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

“Right” libertarianism is the only libertarianism; “libertarian-socialism” and its assorted Bakunin/Chomsky-flavored variants are bullshit, so far as I’m concerned

This is sort of your problem, @Dustin!

Your opinion does not define whether something is valid or not. It does that on its own.

Bina
4 years ago

“Right” libertarianism is the only libertarianism; “libertarian-socialism” and its assorted Bakunin/Chomsky-flavored variants are bullshit, so far as I’m concerned.

Hey, Dusty…

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Also,

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Your opinions = stupid boners, as far as I’m concerned.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
4 years ago

Beards Suck, Bacon Sucks, and Batman Sucks.

Beards and Batman are amazing! How dare.

/sarcasm

dreemr
dreemr
4 years ago

Oh wow, Dusty’s back? I didn’t even see you there, Hi Dusty!

Looking forward to the entertainment you always bring. Go ahead, tell us another opinion!

*gets popcorn

FrickleFrackle
FrickleFrackle
4 years ago

Heeeeeeeeeeey, I like beards, bacon, and Batman! Or rather, beards can be nice but have to be maintained, I like bacon but it has to be cooked to my taste (it’s not good just because it’s bacon), and I think Batman is pretty neat. Of course, it’s easy to write him as The Almighty Gary Stu that Always Wins Because HES SO EDGY N XTREEM.

I recall Arthur writing about postmodernism and new sincerity a while back. I think it’s okay to just like or dislike something without really knowing why, but analysis isn’t wrong. It’s not a zero-sum game of either “put no thought into something” or “write a college thesis about it”. But I’m a dumb white kid, so take any opinion I profess with a grain of salt I guess.

Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
4 years ago

Beards and Batman are amazing! How dare.

/sarcasm

I could also add “beer sucks” to that line…

But it isn’t just an “attack” on hyper-masculinity, it’s also a bit of a commentary on the whole New Sincerity movement from someone who’s hanging out in the world of Post-Modernism.

It seems like a decade ago, we were all wanting to dissect and deconstruct things to better learn about them. We wanted to explore different cultures and sexuality to not only see differences, but to see what was the same. Things like “masculine” and “feminine” were merely constructs of society; things meant to be broken down and analyzed piece by piece.

But then the whole “things need to be sincere and ‘authentic'” came to being, and now people treat everything as if it’s “true and pure”, ignoring the fact that these things, like gender roles, are nothing more than utter bullshit.

Of course, New Sincerity minds are such “cute” things. They’ll complain about how we don’t care about the forest, yet demand we make “real books” from paper as opposed to using e-readers or how we use synthetic materials to make furniture rather than wood.

Irony is going to make a comeback, and it’s not going to be pretty.

@FrickleFrackle

Ninja post. And you read my mind…

But what you said about Batman pretty much is the reason why I can’t really enjoy him. Superman isn’t much better either. In fact, most comic book superheroes seem sort of Gary Sue-ish.

FrickleFrackle
FrickleFrackle
4 years ago

@Arthur Maybe it’s related to the whole “Natural™” thing? You know, how there’s people that say natural is always good? Ignoring that technically, anything can be called natural, you know what’s natural? Snake venom! And hell, heavy metals are pulled directly out of the planet. Can’t get much closer to Earth than that!

Also, I think the whole “New Sincerity” thing has a point, I mean you see these edgy fucks who’re so busy CRAAAAAAWLING IN MY CRAAAAAAAAAAAAWL that they forget to enjoy stuff. Of course, you shouldn’t go the complete opposite direction, because then you actually bother reading chain Facebook posts and inspiring spam emails. And it also pisses me off how so many fans of MGS hate MGS2, whereas I actually quite liked its plot twists.

Tony
4 years ago

I’m guessing there is some history with Dustin around here.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his pronouns)
4 years ago

I could also add “beer sucks” to that line…

Beer does suck though…

FrickleFrackle
FrickleFrackle
4 years ago

Too young to drink, and don’t see the appeal of it. Why yes I would like to drink either wheat tea or fruit juice that makes me act dumber for several hours, please!

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