There’s a civil war raging within the American right. On one side, we find a trio of more-or-less mainstream conservatives: Republican strategist Rick Wilson; Daily Caller writer Matt Lewis, and the National Review’s Jamie Kirchick. On the other, Alexander Hart, a regular contributor to the white supremacist site VDare.com.
At issue: whether or not Alt Right dudes are a bunch of loser weirdos who can’t get laid.
Wilson started this conflict by declaring, in a now infamous appearance on MSNBC this January, that Donald Trump’s fans in the Alt-Right were basically a bunch of “childless single men who masturbate to anime,” not the sort of people “who matter in the overall course of humanity.”
Kirchick reignited the controversy by declaring, in a recent episode of Lewis’ podcast, that he didn’t know just “how successful these guys are with women,” adding that, as far as he could tell, none of the budding white supremacists who attended the genteel racist shindig that was the National Policy Institute’s conference last month “had any women attached to them.”
He noted that these guys were quick to resort to “homophobic insults,” which — wink wink nudge nudge — “is usually a manifestation of someone who has a problem with their own sexual identity.”
Lewis said that it sounded as though Alt-Right dudes were the kind of person who can pass for normal online but “when you meet them face to face you can tell that they’re weird.”
In other words, they were a bunch of losers. Possibly even a bunch of la-hoo-sa-hers.
On VDare, Hart is having none of it.
After quoting the terrible accusations of loserhood leveled at Alt-Right dudes by Kirchick and Lewis, Hart replies with a vehement nuh-uh.
“When I first attended an Alt Right meet up,” Hart writes,
I would not have been surprised to find a bunch of socially awkward program-coders. But while there were quite a few people who worked in IT (though they weren’t socially awkward), most worked in politics, law, finance and other high status professions, many with degrees from elite institutions.
Totally not a bunch of losers and weirdos!
Also they are very handsome fellows. And the ladies love them!
On average, they were better looking and in much better physical shape than the stereotypically fat and/or weak conservative functionaries … Their age ranged from the early 20s to late 30s, and the majority of those over 30 were married … .
MARRIED. To WOMEN, presumably. So obviously they totally CAN get laid.
Not only that, but Hart recently had dinner with a guy he knew in high school, and who now considers himself Alt-Right. Turns out the guy works at a top law firm and has “an attractive wife and three kids.”
ATTRACTIVE WIFE!
Hart doesn’t spell it out but the existence of these three kids means that his friend has actually had sex with his attractive wife three times or more.
Unless she had triplets or something. But even then he at least had sex with her once!
Alas, Hart does not provide any photographic evidence to prove the existence of handsome Alt-Righters and their hot wives. But the reason he can’t isn’t that they aren’t handsome. It’s that if you come out as a nasty little racist who spends most of his free time posting Holocaust jokes on 4chan, your neighbors, and co-workers, and perhaps your employer as well, are likely to think a bit less of you.
Or, as Hart puts it:
The Alt Right is not anonymous because we’re “losers”—but because we (and our families) have so much to lose.
Of course, there are downsides of an anonymous movement. It’s easy for people like Rick Wilson and Matt Lewis to claim we are all “weirdos” when few can show their faces to defend themselves. They could easily claim I’m just another anonymous loser who is creating a false persona for myself and fellow basement dwellers.
Dude, here’s the thing. I don’t actually care if you and your comrades on the far right are super handsome ladies men or a bunch of grotesque trolls literally living in mom’s basement. Because what makes you guys ugly losers isn’t the way you look. It’s the horrible things you believe.
I’ve been calling myself a medical code monkey for a while now. It makes as much sense as my actual job title.
@Alan Robertshaw: Horse cobbler! I love it.
My job wherever I work tends to be “boss-tamer/wrangler”. I’m usually the person that keeps the boss off everyone’s back so they can get shit done.
I also do some bookkeeping in there somewhere, but that’s the easy part.
So close, dude. So close to self-awareness there. You were, like, 5 mm away from it.
re; job descriptions – word wrangler, and sometime sitting in a field telling kids lies operative, and standing in a room coaxing language and research skills out into the open where we can see them, and making stuff into other stuff.
(Though, ugh, the second of those sounds a bit like “imagineer”, sorry).
So much of this kind of writing boils down to: everyone we like is gorgeous, fit, right, high-earning and has endless supplies of guaranteed hawt wimminz attaching themselves to them like magnets to fridges, which is ultimate proof of their rightness.
Everyone we dislike is everyTHING we dislike.
There are no grey areas and no mosaics.
It’s a tidy sort of word, but my goodness it’s grim.
I think the most pathetic and pitiful thing of all about Anders Brevik (the Norwegian white nationalist) was that he apparently had several plastic surgeries before making a name for himself as a mass murderer. He couldn’t even commit a horrible crime without gussying himself up to look the part of an “Aryan avenger.”
That’s kind of like when I worked at [Famous Sandwich Store] and they called us “Sandwich Artists” instead of just “people who make sandwiches”, or as the rest of the world knew me as “Minimum wage fast food slave”.
Though, nowadays, I’d be “Otherwise Unemployed Graphic Designer”, which is pretty much what I do.
I’d say it’s in part due to how often movies go with the tropes of:
– the hero wins and get rewarded with a partner
– the hero loses but wins anyways because have a partner that they met along the way.
Of course, as we all know, media doesn’t have the slightest impact on human behavior so this is probably just a mere coincidence /s
Another aspect is that toxic gender roles have dictated that finding a romantic partner = validation/success/wincondition. Shitty gender roles being what they are, there’s a huge double standard (of the ‘for men it sucks; for women it really sucks’ variety):
For men, having sex = winning so ‘having someone who will give you sex whenever you want’ (which is what sexists refer to as ‘a relationship’) = winning all the time.
For women, having a relationship = apparently the only ‘feminine’ goal one can aspire to. A woman is ‘supposed to’ get married and have kids. Hence insults like ‘spinster’, indicating that an older single woman is somehow a failure.
Being single can be lonely, it can be disheartening, but it should never be branded as a failure. There are plenty of times in life where being single is the best possible outcome. This cultural message of ‘partner = validation’ is even dangerous when you consider how often people are staying in abusive or terrible relationships because, in their mind, at least it’s better than being seen as a failure for being single.
I wanna play! I’m an oap babysitter so I can be a people pretender. 😀
Ooh, they’re handsome! I had no idea–and this changes everything.
Now I respect their shitty ideas and the terrible ways they treat other people. And I find them very, very attractive!
PS: Like all women, that’s the way I vote too. That Marco Rubio was just too unattractive for me to consider. Hillary Clinton is (obviously) a woman, so she isn’t even on the Scale of Male Hotness. No, I’m going for the 74-year-old, white-haired hunk (always in the gym!) that is Bernie Sanders.
Yes, it’s amazing how a person’s attitude affects their appearance! I have found this phenomenon to manifest itself entirely in my own head. For instance, before this U.S. election cycle, I had no real opinion on Donald Trump’s appearance* but now, I can’t abide looking at him at all!
I used to be a retail wage slave, but am now an executive** estate administrator!
*I’ve never seen his TV show
**following the fine example of Eddie Izzard, who is an executive transvestite
I read Der Douche Student in the first image and you pretty much have the same thing with the entire right wing.
Love how they’re trying to justify being terrible people under their anonymous profiles by trying to play up how they look as if that was important to anyone. Yeah, they do have a lot to lose if people knew who these assholes really were in real life. I wouldn’t doubt that they’re probably two faced double crossers who act gentlemanly and “look good” offline but online turn into malicious bigots. In the end, they’re all assholes, day and night.
If these alt-right White men are so gorgeous and accomplished why are they so worried about being “cucked” by Black men? How are the dreaded Black men able to compete with them for their women?
Funny thing is how good films can be when they kiss off that trope. One of the most amazing things about the movie Private Benjamin was the way she decides, at the end of the film, to ditch her Communist-sympathetic fiance at the altar (hey, it was the Reagan years–the best you could hope for on that front was a message of, ‘the Russians are just people like us, they’re just under the heel of the most evil governmental system ever) to go back to the military. Her triumph lay entirely in choosing her own way.
Its kind of freaky that women are never the actors here – always a possession. Presumably anyone married to a modern fascist like this has similar beliefs, but she’s never one herself…she’s a belonging or right.
It reminds me of a phrase I loathe – farmer’s wife. When every single woman I’ve ever known in that situation has been aaaaa…FARMER.
Anyway, I’m quite happy to loathe a woman who espouses alt right beliefs on her own terms :p
I’m not sure what the original point was, considering you can be awkward and alone and still not be a racist or sexist asshat.
I dislike both sides of the people cited in this post.
“Unless she had triplets or something. But even then he at least had sex with her once!”
Maybe he’s being cuckolded. HOW DEEP DOES THE RABBIT HOLE GO?
Well, that would no doubt explain their penchant for blow-up doll types…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI
As to what-I-do descriptions, I think I’d call myself a “channeler of people who never existed”. Only not in the Ramtha sense. I label my fictions AS fictions.
That proverb seems like a socially acceptable way equating unattractive with negative character traits.
Plenty of people have resting-frown faces. Some of us aren’t blessed with the right bone structure.
Some of the worst people I’ve known were very good at maintaining an easy smile.
They pretty clearly can’t “pass for normal online”. If they could, we’d be unaware of their existence.
@Bryce: I suppose, but I don’t think it’s totally inapplicable either. Ann Coulter, while kind of long and thin, wouldn’t be nearly as repulsive to me if it weren’t for her eyes and the brain behind them.
In case any are interested, I found a rather silly comment on a Sargon of Akkad video saying we should elect Trump to combat political correctness.
“Trump is a loon, but he is what we need. Or rather what you need, I am no American. Teh.
No seriously. He is a guy like Milo Yannopoulis. A bomb. But we need a bomb to tear down the wall of Political Correctess. Such weapons are crude, but sometimes you need a crude instrument to bring something down. And Trump is right on time.”
-Random Internet Dudebro
Well hooray for you, alt-righter, if you have good looks, a wonderful job and a spouse to boot. It still doesn’t change the fact that you’re a horrible person. I’ve learned over the years that not all racist, sexist, homophobic or otherwise bigoted people come in many flavors, not just the socially awkward guy living in his parents’ basement.
Hello.
What the matter with single socially awkward programmers ? Is it a new kind of slur ? Does he think that all programmers choosed to be single or socially awkward ? Does he understand that without programmers, he could not even rant online ?
Yeah, i fit this description, bingo for you, o dear white master. Except for the alt-right stuff, ’cause your fantasies can not all been fullfilled, poor you.
Ah, well, anyway, better be a single socially awkward programmer (or binary tailor ?) than a sour white toad at the bottom of a well.
Have a nice day.
@Viscaria – “And teachers will be … teachers.”
Oh. Okay.
And I was really excited to play the game, too. But, okay.
*leaves, sadly*
🙂 🙂 :3