People used to say that Steve Jobs had a sort of “reality distortion field” that surrounded him like an aura, that his charisma and enthusiasm were so off the charts that he was able to convince those in his presence (and, quite often, himself) of almost anything.
The people I tend to write about on this blog also seem to live within reality distortion fields of their own making, but instead of seeing the world through Apple-colored glasses they come to believe a lot of stupid and terrible things about women. And in the process, some have become incapable of seeing what is right there before their eyes.
Take, for example, the surreal discussion of the new Sally Field comedy Hello, My Name is Doris that I ran across recently on the MGTOW forums on GoingYourOwnWay.com.
The film tells the story of a comically frumpy and awkward older woman (Field) who gets the hots for a charming, handsome and much younger co-worker (Max Greenfield). I haven’t seen the movie, so I have no idea if the two end up together. Or if the movie is any good.
The fellows on GoingYourOwnWay.com haven’t seen the movie either, but they have some pretty strong feelings about it regardless, notably the feeling “eeeeeeeeww!” They’re not only offended and disgusted by the idea of the two getting together; they’re angry that any old lady could even think she could bag a much younger man.
“Well i like older women but this garbage glory hole piece of garbage grand parent slut i wouldnt be able to puncture,” one commenter declares.
“[I]ts not a rom com its a fucking crime against nature, a freakish out growth that exists only after years of gynocidal feminist garbage has poisoned us all,” adds another.
So far this is all pretty standard MGTOW stuff. After all, these are guys who, like so many others in the manosphere, think women “hit the wall” by the age of thirty, if not earlier.
What’s interesting to me is how old they think Sally Field is.
In the post that opens the thread, titled “New fantasy for post-wall women,” a commenter who calls himself Nuggets describes the film thusly:
Romantic comedy with 50-ish woman seducing the 20 something new hire guy at her job. I always find shit like this hilarious. Probably the beginning of a new trend for movies. Bleh
In a followup comment, he adds:
It’s like they’re in total denial that she’s old. They’re trying so hard to present her as an “omg so awkward” 23 year old woman, even though the actress who plays her is 54. That’s exactly how women think though, especially the target demographic for this movie. Picture some grannies going to see this, gives me the creeps mang.
Sally Field is 69 years old, not 54. She played “The Flying Nun” in the 1960s, for god’s sake.
Not only that, but in the film she’s done up in a way that makes her look even older — as you can see from the film’s trailer, which Nuggets helpfully posted to the thread:
Here she is at the film’s premiere, with somewhat better styling:
For purposes of comparison, here’s another 69-year-old who’s been in the news a lot lately:
Now, I should point out that several commenters on GoYourOwnWay.com piped up to set Nuggets straight on Field’s actual age. And, for what it’s worth, Nugget is also off on the age of Sally Field’s movie crush. The actor playing her co-worker isn’t “20 something.” He’s 35.
But Nuggets’ confusion about Field’s age is telling.
Does he think that when women ‘hit the wall,” at whatever arbitrary age he thinks this happens, that they immediately start shrinking down and drying up, transforming from “hot babes” into an army of bitter old crones?
Is he so convinced that “women age like milk,” as misogynists often say, that he simply can’t see all the women who don’t?
Newsflash, MGTOW dudes: lots of men find older women attractive.
In the real world, to be sure, it’s pretty rare for 35-year-old men to date 69-year-old women. But the inverse is also true, and there are plenty of men who are interested in the older women that MGTOWs profess to be so disgusted by, even if they lack the age-defying powers of a Helen Mirren. Indeed, one recent study by AARP found that a third of 40-something women who were dating were dating younger men.
Physical attraction doesn’t abide by the rules that people like MGTOWs try to impose upon it. Contrary to the assertions of manosphere “wall theory,” not all men are forever obsessed with 18-year-old supermodel virgins.
One of the weirder aspects of straight male sexuality is that men are often afraid to admit when they find themselves attracted to women who don’t measure up to some arbitrary standard of conventional attractiveness.
That’s why you see so many teenage boys and young men online loudly proclaiming that they “would not bang” this or that celebrity woman due to some weird and imaginary flaws (“pointy elbows”); their proclamations are often so obviously and ridiculously untrue they’ve inspired a popular meme, here applied to a perfectly lovely cat:
MGTOWs are men who’ve never outgrown this phase; indeed, they’ve turned their cries of “would not bang” into a life philosophy of sorts. Some of them must realize that they’re protesting too much.
But others, like Nuggets, have become so enmeshed in their own nonsense they can’t ever see straight. Bad ideas can be a strangely powerful thing.
@POM
Not really? (I deleted my comment since I read up and saw that cheese DOES involve ageing the milk, but again there is so much more to its creation than just letting it develop with time). The original analogy is meant to go “old wine = better wine” rather than “processed grapes = wine”. Meanwhile I’m saying that “aged milk = yoghurt (with a little yeast and some temperature)” but “cheese = aged milk and a LOT of steps other than time, so not really the same as yoghurt IMO”. Unless you were referring to what I said about how maturing wine requires effort and care.
It’s 2am and this isn’t worth picking over though. I’m willing to drop it. 🙂 I’m probably not at my best level of cognitive functioning anyway.
Met my husband 12 years ago at the age of 35, I’m now 47 & we’ve been happily married 6 years. The part that will freak the hell out of all these guys is he’s 17 years YOUNGER than me.
Ugh, I had that same thought as soon as I hit Enter. Poor things.
Oh well, these guys are metaphorically on the desert island already, because who’d bang THEM? Even the adorable kitty doesn’t want to be petted by those toxic twatwaffles…
Darn, Moocow beat me to the Harold and Maude reference.
I’m sure Sally Field’s life will never be the same once she hears that the Mighty Mighty MGTOWs have put her in the “would not bang” category. She could spend even 10 seconds wondering who these people are. Terrifying.
Typo, projection, or some sort of “killing all the real women” manosphere nonsense?
STEP RIGHT UP, PLACE YOUR BETS! You in the blue shirt, you look like a gambling sort, what’ll it be?
women die much later than men do so im not sure how they are consider to not age well.
Is Puncture Dude a wasp? That would explain his views on sex. And his difficulty judging levels of human attractiveness.
…I think it’s wasps that do that…
You may be thinking about bedbugs.
Bedbugs certainly do.
How about snails?
The gynocracy made a movie like that long ago – The Mother with Daniel Craig as the younger lover. That guy, who is the current Bond and image of hegemonic masculinity.
The Mother won awards. I liked the movie – but I suggest that MGTOWs wouldn’t like it because it portrays the older man as completely lacking in the bedroom, while the young guy is far more exciting to the female protagonist.
So an older woman being attracted to a younger man is somehow “against the laws of nature” or something but when it’s an older man attracted to a (often much, much) younger woman it’s just NATURE GUYZ ’cause youth and fertility. (which only wimmenz have, of course! Never young men. And the wimmenz have to be below the age of 16 or my boner gets a sad)
Makes perfect sense!
Also…puncture. Ay. That was something that was said today. So that’s how this dude thinks sex works? Well shit, I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time! Sex, apparently, should feel like being stabbed or getting stung by a bee. Good to know.
Also, FTR: 10/10 would totally pet.
That choice of insults reminds me of a little kid who just learned his first cuss words and is trying them out in an attempt to garner attention. I think it also says something about how some of these guys view themselves, if they type that kind of word vomit out about a woman.
Capitalism is only good when white men benefit.
The only yogurt they care about is yogurt that panders to their delicate masculinity.
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I think puncture guy simply wanted to take “penetrate” and upgrade it because using EXTREEEEME words makes him sound stronger and manlier.
Oh.
…Puncturing?
Really? That’s the term desert-island-inhabitor-guy wants to go with?
Seriously?
No.
No and another NONONONONONO for extra emphatic emphasis.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
So he “would not bang” Sally Field?
Like he’s got anyone lining up to bang him. Lonely, would not be banged by any, desert-island inhabiting schmuck. Wah.
and NOOOOOOOOOOOO. Puncturing. *retch*
Sure, when people age, they lose a lot of their good looks, but there is something much more precious about an older man and a woman: THE MIND! The wisdom you gain as you grow older is priceless. I wouldn’t trade it for anything.
Many men and women remain attractive, especially if they look clean, healthy and like they take pride in themselves. But what mgtow cannot fathom is that many people also do not fall in love with others based on appearance.
I only recently learned about mgtow. I thought it was a positive thing. There are people in society who seem to have the odds stacked against them from the start. We’ve all seen and met males and females who are awkward, have a strange appearance and don’t get opportunities to date or marry. Many will never be in relationships.
So, I thought mgtow was mostly about helping certain men go to a “higher place.” I thought it would help them go forward in life and concentrate on self improvement and awareness. Then I started reading what mgtow members say online, and it just seems like so much FOUL HATE. Their posts are so mean-spirited, lewd, and gross. They have so much anger and I hope they will be able to control it. That kind of anger can grow and lead a person to crime.
I believe many mgtow are virgins or inexperienced. Many others acted like manwhores in the past. They also live on pornography. Some of them regularly watch the worst, filthy kind. Women are objects to them now.
Mtgow say they’ve given up on women, but they still need their “fleshlights.” They pass it off, saying their needs are biological and they can’t help it. Wow, it must suck to still need something you hate.
I laugh when I read mgtow saying they enjoy their fleshlights as much as sex. I mean, give me a break!
My back was itching once and I grabbed my mom’s back scratcher. It relieved the itch and felt good, but I would have much rather had a human being scratch and massage my back. There is no comparison btw an object and “real” human touch.
I am so garbage at names. I could not remember Sally Field by her name, but immediately upon seeing her in the video thumbnail, I went, “Oh, right! Her!”
This is one of those moments where I can’t grasp why someone would post something like this even when trying to emulate the mentality of whatever flavor of MRA these people are. I just imagine myself skulking around on their message boards, someone comes in and posts this diatribe, and my only reaction is to go, “OH NO! … So?” How does a person like Nuggets post something like that without getting to a point where he goes, “Wow, I have way too much time on my hands. I should read a book?”
Then, I look at it from my normal perspective with morals and actually thinking things through and just get disgusted. So it’s a shitpost all around.
Also, I was going to make that “age like milk” joke about the Fuhrer up there, and you got to it before me. Curse you, David! *explodes and flies off over the horizon* Curse youuuuuu….
Women AND men age. It’s coming to us all. It’s coming to mgtow too. They pretend the are desirable. They try to concentrate on building wealth and amassing toys and selfish pleasures for themselves. A self-centered life is NOT fulfilling, and I hope they discover that before it’s too late. Money can buy many things, but not happiness, esp. if the soul is filled with hate and anger. It won’t work.
There are a number of celebrities who had a marriage or two and were devastated by a divorce. But they got smart and the second time around, they got it right.
Sting, Pat Sajak & Tom Hanks were very hurt about their first marriages ending, even though Sting had fallen in love with someone else. The hurt produced growth in their lives. The second time around, they got the right girl for them and they seem to be very happy with their wives.
Normal people live and learn. They may want to marry again and they may not. They just go on and don’t make a fuss about it. But not mgtow. They act like it’s a major event that they won’t marry. They keep saying that they are pulling away and the women are going to suffer because of it. Like, there won’t be any men left to marry. I just have a hard time seeing how they can believe those things.
I only wish mgtow could walk around with a big “M” on their foreheads so women everywhere would know who they are and could avoid them. They are not the kind of men I would want a daughter to date. I think they have too many issues and most of them don’t involve women at all. I think they have lots of other dysfunctions.
Also not deserving of MGTOW stress: Pseudoscorpions. I hope they desert the MGTOW’s libraries so all their books get eaten by booklice.
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David, any chance of avoiding Daily Mail links unless there are literally no alternatives?
One thing I wish mgtow sites could do: have unidentified photos of their members on their sites, so we could take a “peak” at what they all look like. I’ll bet it’s a real Motley Crew and cast of strange characters.
Sally Field is a wonderful actress, a beautiful person. Burt Reynolds probably wishes Sally Field were right there with him today in his old age–not a 20 year old. He knows the value of Field’s goodness, maturity and wisdom. He is probably so filled with regrets now that he knows better himself.
The poster’s Sally Field comment shows you an example of many of the men who take the “red pill” of mgtow…
Immature. Angry. Out of touch with reality.
@PI:
Please tell me that “Brogurt” picture is a photoshop… because seriously.