We’re still running a meme surplus in the We Hunted the Mammoth offices, so I’m going to drop a few more on you today. Enjoy the FLAWLESS STEM LOGIC and KEEN GRASP OF REALITY displayed in the following memes, gathered from A Voice for Men’s Facebook page. I’ve lightly censored a couple of them.
WE INVENTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU
Ha Ha! Girls are stupid and can’t do math amirite fellas high five!
Damn you gals for keeping men out of this low-paying profession that men could easily enter if they wanted to because it’s not actually a “hiring scheme” that keeps them out!
THIS ISN’T ACTUALLY TRUE BUT MAYBE IF WE PUT IT IN ALL-CAPS NO ONE WILL NOTICE!
Yeah, they’ve decided to turn charity into a weapon. Many of the comments on the crowdrise page are horrible. “We can totally pretend to be good people while calling Anita a fraud, or assorted slurs, or wishing her dead.” And if you comment on TAA’s motivation they swarm and say you’re calling the IWHC a fraud…
Moocow
8 years ago
Can I rage for a second?
FUCK THAT THIRD ONE. Teaching is a profession which gets so little respect specifically because of sexist stereotypes.
I love to teach, I love to inspire kids to do the things they think they cannot do. Yet I am trying to get out of this field because the hard work is just not worth the reward. I’ve already got self esteem issues, the last thing I want is to have to face all the bullshit and frustrations that come with this job. My heart goes out to any teacher out there, you deserve so much more than you are getting!
And of course, I’m lucky. I’m privileged and so I get more respect and my opinion gets heard more, but my co-workers have shared stories that make me never want to teach in a public school ever:
One of my co-workers was (at her old school) was called a c**** by a fucking SECOND grader. She meets with the parent and informs them of this and here’s the response she gets:
“Well if my son called you that then it’s probably what you are”
Now excuse me while I go flip a classroom full of tables.
For anyone who remembers back in September of last year, I was subbing in and taught Kindergarden and 1st grade for 2 weeks. Those were probably the hardest 2 weeks I’ve ever worked. It’s shocking how Kindergarden teachers are given the least amount of respect among teachers (naturally the highest respect goes to math and science teachers, geez I wonder why). According to the head of my school, kindergarden teachers are hard to find; many teachers will teach any grade except that one.
If we didn’t exist in a patriarchal society, teachers and especially kindergarden teachers would get the same level of respect as doctors, scientists and engineers.
Wow, the comments on Sarkeesian’s Mary Sue article, linked above by Kupo, got swamped by MRA trolls.
Hey now, many of them were gamergaters. Totally different groups there. : D
My favorite is always the faux outrage on behalf of the Feminist Frequency backers who were supposedly scammed. Never mind that as far as I know, no donor feels scammed. There’s certainly no investigation. If these things happened, gg would never shut up about it, so I assume we’d all know about it.
My other favorites from the comments I skimmed were the concern trolls who think feminism deserves a better face than Anita Sarkeesian. It’s adorable because I’ve never seen a single feminist anointing her as our queen. Katie is our overlord, obviously! The only people who think she’s the face of feminism are gamergaters.
Tragedy of the Commas
8 years ago
@ thread
Sorry for the two near identical posts. I thought I had clicked the delete button for the original before the timer ran out.
@ David Futrelle
Can you please delete my first comment in this thread (the one dated March 28, 2016 at 4:08 pm)? Thanks.
@ Makroth
One of the top donors is John Bain, aka TotalBiscuit. So Mr Neutrality, who still repeats false claims made by GG, is, what, an ally with The Amazing Atheist now? Hooray. It’s as if TAA’s history of terrible shit, and never apologizing for it, has been erased from memory! Or that Sarkessian, and people associated with her, have never been harassed or received death threats! And the name is full fedora, too: “Daring To Actually Help Women”. Vomit.
(Aside: ironically RationalWiki can be guilty of expressing the same “STEM > humanities” and obsession with Derrida and Butler we see in these memes and trolls to this site. Still, those pages on GG and TAA are two of the better ones.)
Still, I guess I can’t be too mad. I’m happy for the money the IWHO is getting (over $100K apparently). That’s still money for them, even if it comes out of stupid reasons (e.g. charity is my shield from criticism, even though I’ll still harass women constantly).
@ Moocow
Jesus fucking Christ. That’s terrible.
Jamie
8 years ago
It occurs to me, that when men’s right’s occurs, and it seems reasonable that people will not reject things like equal parental rights, equal sentencing, equal treatment in family courts, equal consideration in education and so on, it occurs to me that history might look back on this time in an interesting manner.
Typically the oppositional forces to rights movement, once they actually succeed, and those who display forms of bigotry once they are regarded as taboo social norms, _regardless of any radicals in that movement (and every single one has been loaded with em), well typically they cast those people as sort of nazi-esque villans.
Like if you watch a historical movie, the sexists or racists will be basically portrayed as villans and as subhumans. And as it seems inevitable mens rights will slowly move from an early radical movement to mainstream acceptance, as movements tend to, likewise it seems inevitable that a similar thing will happen to the light in which people who oppose it are seen.
But I suppose that is also why there is so much opposition. Not so much as bigotry within MRA, although that does exist in some subgroups, but the threat to the powerbase that is feminism. Like when feminism was attacking the once powerful patriarchy, people mainly took issue because they didn’t want to surrender their priveledge, no matter what justifications they came up with to hide that, it seems likely that the power advantages of feminism and feminist sympthasizers these days, which confer a host of priviledges, are likely advantages that people do not want to surrender.
So while it might be over the top the way these things get cast in a retrospective light, I can’t help but feel it will also be fair on some level.
Lkeke35
8 years ago
WWTH:
They believe she’s the center of all feminist thought only because she’s the center of their existence. Apparently, their unexamined feelings are universal
Kat
8 years ago
@Makroth
It’s apparently supposed to be a gotcha against feminism and yet he’s supporting a feminist organization.
It certainly does appear to be an antifeminist gotcha!
IMHO the best response when they brag?
“That’s great. Thanks for helping.”
And when they say feminist groups aren’t helping with (fill in the blank)?
“Actually, that’s not true. These are the feminist groups helping there: (fill in the blank).”
If it’s a gotcha and if the International Women’s Health Organization is willing to take their money, I say, Great. I’m glad it’s helping women.
Who knows how much good these antifeminists could do for women and girls (completely unintentionally)!
Apparently TAA is trying to use this as a shield against criticisms of harassment.
“I’m not harassing you! I’m making a charity to boost my own egoactually help women instead of make a long history series on YouTube about women in history!”
And the fucking idiocy in TMS’s comment section is hideous. “TvW is a scam because Anita hasn’t made all her videos yet! She’s just funding her lavish lifestyle of moving from place to place to avoid harassers and doxxers and asking for more donations for a series she won’t finish even though she’s still working to complete the first one! She’s a con artist! Con artist!”
Bina
8 years ago
One of my co-workers was (at her old school) was called a c**** by a fucking SECOND grader. She meets with the parent and informs them of this and here’s the response she gets:
“Well if my son called you that then it’s probably what you are”
Now excuse me while I go flip a classroom full of tables.
Ugh. I can see where he learned that from.
And I’ll bet that this so-called parent was no better at that age, either.
Social Justice Atheist
8 years ago
What Moocow says is correct. Both my parents have had to deal with shit from students and parents alike all their years of teaching. A lot of racist slurs, sexist AND racist slurs against my mom, and one time my mom was even physically attacked by an angry parent who threw a desk at her because of his kid’s own grade. Literally picked it up and threw it.
My dad was even threatened by a white supremacist student, and the parent just shrugged it off. The school did nothing, didn’t punish the kid or anything.
I agree 100% we need to give teachers more respect in this society. They put up with a lot of shit most people couldn’t handle.
kupo
8 years ago
@SJA and Moocow
I volunteer at a middle school and I’ve been toying with the idea of getting the wonderful teacher I work with a present at the end of the year. I’m thinking definitely yes now.
Somebody want to talk to Jamie, who’s doing his level best to sound totally reasonable as long as no one actually knows what he’s talking about?
Policy of Madness
8 years ago
And as it seems inevitable mens rights will slowly move from an early radical movement to mainstream acceptance, as movements tend to, likewise it seems inevitable that a similar thing will happen to the light in which people who oppose it are seen.
As the scholar of the men’s rights movement that you clearly are, do enlighten me as to which men’s issue is, to your view, the most pressing, and what is your action plan to address it.
The second part is the important one, by the way. Complaining about stuff doesn’t get you anywhere. You need an action plan to address the problem and make it less of a problem. So don’t leave that out.
Social Justice Atheist
8 years ago
@kupo
I would go with yes, I’m sure they would really appreciate it.
Yes. One day John Galt’s stirring memes will be printed in history textbooks right next to the I Have a Dream speech and I will lie in my deathbed so ashamed to be on the wrong side of history.
Oops. One of the people I’m tutoring in English is an education student who’s planning to be an elementary-school teacher… but, alas, he’s also a man!
I’m sorry, Katie, I didn’t think of keeping the profession female-dominated so that we can promote our oppressive world matriarchy. Will try better next time.
/s
I’ve been a TA for university students, and a tutor to kids as well as adults, but teaching a GROUP of KIDS sounds like a combining the most chaotic aspects of both things. I have a lot of respect for grade school teachers – it’s a tough and important job.
NickNameNick
8 years ago
@P.I.
Reading up on it, I think it has to do with that old chestnut of an argument that feminists are only complaining about “first-world problems” and aren’t actually helping women in THE MIDDLE EAST or Africa, or whatever where women are REALLY oppressed, and us first world feminists should just give up and admit that we don’t care about women because we don’t spend enough time (that is to say, all of our time) throwing money at those women instead of talking about and advocating against sexism here at home.
It’s a sad attempt at a gotcha.
Funny that the people who use it, for all their lecturing about how others need to set their priorities, they go around the internet looking for conversations they don’t like to hear in order to admonish those people for talking about it at all…in which they could’ve spent their time on something more productive.
You’d think if someone was so concerned with those “more important” issues – they wouldn’t bother doing what I mentioned, but they do and it proves they don’t really care about it as much as their ego.
@Kupo:
The Amazing Athiest’s campaign is a direct response to Feminist Frequency’s latest crowd funding campaign.
Does that asshole have nothing better to do? Apparently not…
@Tragedy of Commas:
One of the top donors is John Bain, aka TotalBiscuit. So Mr Neutrality, who still repeats false claims made by GG, is, what, an ally with The Amazing Atheist now? Hooray. It’s as if TAA’s history of terrible shit, and never apologizing for it, has been erased from memory! Or that Sarkessian, and people associated with her, have never been harassed or received death threats!
If every white guy stopped doing this faux-objective bullshit and patting themselves on the back tomorrow, it wouldn’t be soon enough.
And the name is full fedora, too: “Daring To Actually Help Women”. Vomit.
Fucking seriously?! The guy who mocked a rape victim by claiming he wanted her to get raped more? He’d help women a lot more if he wasn’t enabling the vehement rage of online misogynists…
Freemage
8 years ago
All I got for Jamie is a “Cool story, Bro.” For one thing, he seems completely unaware that MRAs routinely compare feminists to Nazis already, so his threat that this is how we’ll be viewed in the future is simply an admission that no one is buying it, currently.
I mean, seriously what the hell does that picture have to do with the asinine, blithering nonsense in the caption?
NickNameNick
8 years ago
Not to mention using Bruce Timm’s brilliant work for their nonsense…
Catalpa
8 years ago
@Freemage
The lady in the picture has a lone ranger-esque costume on, and people took exception to the whitewashing of Tonto in the new Lone Ranger movie? Maybe? That’s all I got.
Tessa
8 years ago
Jamie:
It occurs to me, that when men’s right’s occurs, and it seems reasonable that people will not reject things like equal parental rights, equal sentencing, equal treatment in family courts, equal consideration in education and so on, it occurs to me that history might look back on this time in an interesting manner.
1) What do you mean by “when men’s right’s occurs”? Th
2) Please define “equal parenting rights” and how things are not equal right now? And what social views cause them to be unequal? How can it be changed?
3) Same as 2) but for Equal sentencing, family courts, and education and so on.
Typically the oppositional forces to rights movement, once they actually succeed, and those who display forms of bigotry once they are regarded as taboo social norms, _regardless of any radicals in that movement (and every single one has been loaded with em), well typically they cast those people as sort of nazi-esque villans.
You’re right, the MRA does have a tendency to call feminists Feminazis and the like. Good call.
Like if you watch a historical movie, the sexists or racists will be basically portrayed as villans and as subhumans. And as it seems inevitable mens rights will slowly move from an early radical movement to mainstream acceptance, as movements tend to, likewise it seems inevitable that a similar thing will happen to the light in which people who oppose it are seen.
Why this isn’t actually an inevitability is actually answered in your first paragraph.
But I suppose that is also why there is so much opposition. Not so much as bigotry within MRA, although that does exist in some subgroups, but the threat to the powerbase that is feminism. Like when feminism was attacking the once powerful patriarchy, people mainly took issue because they didn’t want to surrender their priveledge, no matter what justifications they came up with to hide that, it seems likely that the power advantages of feminism and feminist sympthasizers these days, which confer a host of priviledges, are likely advantages that people do not want to surrender.
OK, seriously, find one subgroup of MRAs that isn’t riddled with bigotry.
Sadly, Jamie’s post reads like a copy pasted drive-by, so I doubt a return is inevitable.
NickNameNick
Fucking seriously?! The guy who mocked a rape victim by claiming he wanted her to get raped more? He’d help women a lot more if he wasn’t enabling the vehement rage of online misogynists…
That’s not all of it. It’s a rewording of Anita Sarkeesian’s fundraiser. Hers is a drive for the video series “Ordinary Women: Daring to defy history.” So he made “Extraordinary People: Daring to actually help women.”
Fabe
8 years ago
Bad people donating to good causes in attempt to make them selves not look like bad people ,nothing new there
For every person or website I’ve seen plug Sarkeesian’s new kickstarter, if you click to see the replies, they are flooded with a mixture of “UGH I am done with this place/you as an author, you got duped by a con-artist”, and sealion-style “polite” responses that are almost identical versions of, “OR, you could call attention to this campaign that *actually helps* women [link]”.
I had not even heard of the campaign, and until this WHTM post, I didn’t know who started it, but seeing it pop up all over the place in copy-paste comments already tipped me off that it had to be tied to GG somehow. Seriously, all of their super seekrit covert ops are mind-bendingly transparent.
Come on, dudes. Give it a rest already. This tactic hasn’t worked for the past couple of years; it’s not going to start magically working now. Nobody outside of GG believes Sarkeesian is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. The world will not end because she makes some videos. Chill out, play some games, donate to a cause you like because you like it, not because you think it will make someone you hate look bad. Nobody is forcing you to support Sarkeesian, or listen to her, or like her. Life goes on.
And also please stop throwing temper tantrums about Overwatch’s Tracer, kthxbye.
Jamie
8 years ago
It’s typical for those who hold priviledge, or those who benefit from priviledge for that to be invisible to those who hold it. The same is true of bigotry, and sexist.
We live in society that is demonstrateable bigoted towards men. That basic reality, such as equal sentencing for equal crimes, equal parental access, equal treatment in family courts – those are all too reasonable to be ignored for ever, whatever attempts feminism does to censor what it doesn’t want said, or shame it, those seem like inevitable events. You can’t resist the reasonble, the truth, forever.
All men’s rights activists want is utterly gender symmetrical treatment is what mens rights people want and feminists demonstratably. For everyone to actually be treated as actual equals, rather than feminists always pushing whomever else stands in the way of their power back.
When it comes to a you or me proposition, feminist dialogue will always pick benefit for them over anyone else, or equality. It will always say that women are always victims, men always oppressors (which is silly nowadays), and it will distort the science and the facts, misrepresenting them in propaganda to sell it’s lies.
Violence for example, is not a gendered issue. Not in any credible direct study. If anything men are overwhelmingly the victims of violence. And women control the majority of spending money, and make the majority of household decisions.
We live in a gynocracy. I am very serious, and to me, as a man, it kind of feels like i image being a women in the sixties felt – negatively stereotyped, stripped of many forms of power, and yet unrecognised by the oppressing parties.
Take job equality. The moan is constantly about CEO positions and so on. Well most men aren’t that. Most people aren’t that. But what men are by and large is underpaid, high labour, high risk workers, who work in the lowest paid jobs. But feminists don’t want equality in that. Just the things they want, not the equality they don’t.
Pick and mix. What benefits me, not what achieves equality. It’s a giant, ridiculous joke that any man believed the idea that feminists would stand for them. The homosexual and transgender community is thankfully starting to wake up.
And sadly the majority of women don’t even know when they are being sexist, or that the ideas they echo are founded in what has been turned into a hate movement.
Men have a right to equality, and we will get it. You can say what you like about our rude, radical members. They are only matching the tone of the extreme sexism and hate we see from gender feminists. And that extreme tone? Well the moderates, and the polite PC, men’s rights activists get just the same violent, rude, contemptable response as the radicals do. They are treated identically. So don’t complain about our behaviour if you are going to label and treat us all the same anyway, it’s pointless. That’s just how feminists react to everything that disagrees with them. Anger and shaming, and any other tactic they can think of to silence people. They don’t believe in free speech, or true equality and they just want the disagreeing party to shut up, so they ragefit.
Events in Japan, the Uk riots, gamergate, have highlighted a sea change, a paradigm shift. Which is why feminists, clinging to the power that this provides them are so threatened by it. Because they know it’s significant. They know it’s a threat to their way of thinking. We are still early days. Feminist radical, LGBT radical early. We still haven’t organised. So early. But already you feel it, the momentum, and the compelling rational core behind the intelligent speakers.
Why react so viscerally, if you didn’t think it a threat? If it was irrelevant, you’d ignore it.
A sea change is coming, and you folks, will find yourselves on the wrong side of history.
Or if you don’t you’ll find yourself continueing to subjegate anyone that isn’t at the top of the feminist power base pecking order- and I am sure that plenty of other groups will be denied voice, or stripped of voice in that greedy power mad struggle.
Jamie
8 years ago
Find me one subgroup of feminism that isn’t riddled with bigotry and sexism. That’s such a lol question.
I can answer that question. Given a lot of feminists have disavowed anything to do with the movement, and an interesting percentage of our new recruits are former feminist nowadays, I’d be surprised if you can find one.
I follow a group called ‘protection from men’. It’s an issues focused grassroot movement for mens issues. It’s not mysognist. Although pretty much anything feminists don’t like being said, will get called that at some point. It’s like a reflex, like pulling your knee up.
Something you don’t like? Mysoginist
Burnt your toast? The toaster is a rape apologist.
Of course men are mad. They have plenty of reason to be mad. If the rude language and inflammatory messages offend your ears, don’t listen, don’t look at it. Your not forced onto MRA sites. The whole point in that stuff is to light a fire under feminists asses and let them know, there is no backing down going to happen here, we are going to fight this till the war is over, and the oppression of men, is ended.
Feminists are the authoritarian extreme left. And it’s their business is to try and tell everyone else what to think, how to speak, and how to exist and to silence and violently oppose anything that doesn’t fit your extremely narrow view of the world.
These “left” people have more in common with the nanny state right wingers, who also believe everyone must be controlled. That is why we draw parallels to fascism, because like facists, you are actually trying to be the thought police, and creating not diversity, but unilaterally identical thinking.
You cannot stand anyone thinking differently. That’s what this whole site is about, that’s why it exists. Because the comments section wasn’t big enough to yell, shake and shame in.
Kupo:
Yeah, they’ve decided to turn charity into a weapon. Many of the comments on the crowdrise page are horrible. “We can totally pretend to be good people while calling Anita a fraud, or assorted slurs, or wishing her dead.” And if you comment on TAA’s motivation they swarm and say you’re calling the IWHC a fraud…
Can I rage for a second?
FUCK THAT THIRD ONE. Teaching is a profession which gets so little respect specifically because of sexist stereotypes.
I love to teach, I love to inspire kids to do the things they think they cannot do. Yet I am trying to get out of this field because the hard work is just not worth the reward. I’ve already got self esteem issues, the last thing I want is to have to face all the bullshit and frustrations that come with this job. My heart goes out to any teacher out there, you deserve so much more than you are getting!
And of course, I’m lucky. I’m privileged and so I get more respect and my opinion gets heard more, but my co-workers have shared stories that make me never want to teach in a public school ever:
One of my co-workers was (at her old school) was called a c**** by a fucking SECOND grader. She meets with the parent and informs them of this and here’s the response she gets:
“Well if my son called you that then it’s probably what you are”
Now excuse me while I go flip a classroom full of tables.
For anyone who remembers back in September of last year, I was subbing in and taught Kindergarden and 1st grade for 2 weeks. Those were probably the hardest 2 weeks I’ve ever worked. It’s shocking how Kindergarden teachers are given the least amount of respect among teachers (naturally the highest respect goes to math and science teachers, geez I wonder why). According to the head of my school, kindergarden teachers are hard to find; many teachers will teach any grade except that one.
If we didn’t exist in a patriarchal society, teachers and especially kindergarden teachers would get the same level of respect as doctors, scientists and engineers.
Hey now, many of them were gamergaters. Totally different groups there. : D
My favorite is always the faux outrage on behalf of the Feminist Frequency backers who were supposedly scammed. Never mind that as far as I know, no donor feels scammed. There’s certainly no investigation. If these things happened, gg would never shut up about it, so I assume we’d all know about it.
My other favorites from the comments I skimmed were the concern trolls who think feminism deserves a better face than Anita Sarkeesian. It’s adorable because I’ve never seen a single feminist anointing her as our queen. Katie is our overlord, obviously! The only people who think she’s the face of feminism are gamergaters.
@ thread
Sorry for the two near identical posts. I thought I had clicked the delete button for the original before the timer ran out.
@ David Futrelle
Can you please delete my first comment in this thread (the one dated March 28, 2016 at 4:08 pm)? Thanks.
@ Makroth
One of the top donors is John Bain, aka TotalBiscuit. So Mr Neutrality, who still repeats false claims made by GG, is, what, an ally with The Amazing Atheist now? Hooray. It’s as if TAA’s history of terrible shit, and never apologizing for it, has been erased from memory! Or that Sarkessian, and people associated with her, have never been harassed or received death threats! And the name is full fedora, too: “Daring To Actually Help Women”. Vomit.
(Aside: ironically RationalWiki can be guilty of expressing the same “STEM > humanities” and obsession with Derrida and Butler we see in these memes and trolls to this site. Still, those pages on GG and TAA are two of the better ones.)
Still, I guess I can’t be too mad. I’m happy for the money the IWHO is getting (over $100K apparently). That’s still money for them, even if it comes out of stupid reasons (e.g. charity is my shield from criticism, even though I’ll still harass women constantly).
@ Moocow
Jesus fucking Christ. That’s terrible.
It occurs to me, that when men’s right’s occurs, and it seems reasonable that people will not reject things like equal parental rights, equal sentencing, equal treatment in family courts, equal consideration in education and so on, it occurs to me that history might look back on this time in an interesting manner.
Typically the oppositional forces to rights movement, once they actually succeed, and those who display forms of bigotry once they are regarded as taboo social norms, _regardless of any radicals in that movement (and every single one has been loaded with em), well typically they cast those people as sort of nazi-esque villans.
Like if you watch a historical movie, the sexists or racists will be basically portrayed as villans and as subhumans. And as it seems inevitable mens rights will slowly move from an early radical movement to mainstream acceptance, as movements tend to, likewise it seems inevitable that a similar thing will happen to the light in which people who oppose it are seen.
But I suppose that is also why there is so much opposition. Not so much as bigotry within MRA, although that does exist in some subgroups, but the threat to the powerbase that is feminism. Like when feminism was attacking the once powerful patriarchy, people mainly took issue because they didn’t want to surrender their priveledge, no matter what justifications they came up with to hide that, it seems likely that the power advantages of feminism and feminist sympthasizers these days, which confer a host of priviledges, are likely advantages that people do not want to surrender.
So while it might be over the top the way these things get cast in a retrospective light, I can’t help but feel it will also be fair on some level.
WWTH:
They believe she’s the center of all feminist thought only because she’s the center of their existence. Apparently, their unexamined feelings are universal
@Makroth
It certainly does appear to be an antifeminist gotcha!
IMHO the best response when they brag?
“That’s great. Thanks for helping.”
And when they say feminist groups aren’t helping with (fill in the blank)?
“Actually, that’s not true. These are the feminist groups helping there: (fill in the blank).”
If it’s a gotcha and if the International Women’s Health Organization is willing to take their money, I say, Great. I’m glad it’s helping women.
Who knows how much good these antifeminists could do for women and girls (completely unintentionally)!
Praise Katie!
Apparently TAA is trying to use this as a shield against criticisms of harassment.
“I’m not harassing you! I’m making a charity to
boost my own egoactually help women instead of make a long history series on YouTube about women in history!”And the fucking idiocy in TMS’s comment section is hideous. “TvW is a scam because Anita hasn’t made all her videos yet! She’s just funding her lavish lifestyle of moving from place to place to avoid harassers and doxxers and asking for more donations for a series she won’t finish even though she’s still working to complete the first one! She’s a con artist! Con artist!”
Ugh. I can see where he learned that from.
And I’ll bet that this so-called parent was no better at that age, either.
What Moocow says is correct. Both my parents have had to deal with shit from students and parents alike all their years of teaching. A lot of racist slurs, sexist AND racist slurs against my mom, and one time my mom was even physically attacked by an angry parent who threw a desk at her because of his kid’s own grade. Literally picked it up and threw it.
My dad was even threatened by a white supremacist student, and the parent just shrugged it off. The school did nothing, didn’t punish the kid or anything.
I agree 100% we need to give teachers more respect in this society. They put up with a lot of shit most people couldn’t handle.
@SJA and Moocow
I volunteer at a middle school and I’ve been toying with the idea of getting the wonderful teacher I work with a present at the end of the year. I’m thinking definitely yes now.
Somebody want to talk to Jamie, who’s doing his level best to sound totally reasonable as long as no one actually knows what he’s talking about?
As the scholar of the men’s rights movement that you clearly are, do enlighten me as to which men’s issue is, to your view, the most pressing, and what is your action plan to address it.
The second part is the important one, by the way. Complaining about stuff doesn’t get you anywhere. You need an action plan to address the problem and make it less of a problem. So don’t leave that out.
@kupo
I would go with yes, I’m sure they would really appreciate it.
Yes. One day John Galt’s stirring memes will be printed in history textbooks right next to the I Have a Dream speech and I will lie in my deathbed so ashamed to be on the wrong side of history.
Oops. One of the people I’m tutoring in English is an education student who’s planning to be an elementary-school teacher… but, alas, he’s also a man!
I’m sorry, Katie, I didn’t think of keeping the profession female-dominated so that we can promote our oppressive world matriarchy. Will try better next time.
/s
I’ve been a TA for university students, and a tutor to kids as well as adults, but teaching a GROUP of KIDS sounds like a combining the most chaotic aspects of both things. I have a lot of respect for grade school teachers – it’s a tough and important job.
@P.I.
Funny that the people who use it, for all their lecturing about how others need to set their priorities, they go around the internet looking for conversations they don’t like to hear in order to admonish those people for talking about it at all…in which they could’ve spent their time on something more productive.
You’d think if someone was so concerned with those “more important” issues – they wouldn’t bother doing what I mentioned, but they do and it proves they don’t really care about it as much as their ego.
@Kupo:
Does that asshole have nothing better to do? Apparently not…
@Tragedy of Commas:
If every white guy stopped doing this faux-objective bullshit and patting themselves on the back tomorrow, it wouldn’t be soon enough.
Fucking seriously?! The guy who mocked a rape victim by claiming he wanted her to get raped more? He’d help women a lot more if he wasn’t enabling the vehement rage of online misogynists…
All I got for Jamie is a “Cool story, Bro.” For one thing, he seems completely unaware that MRAs routinely compare feminists to Nazis already, so his threat that this is how we’ll be viewed in the future is simply an admission that no one is buying it, currently.
Also, on the subject of what-the-fuck-memes:
http://i.imgur.com/FO4SbO0.jpg
I mean, seriously what the hell does that picture have to do with the asinine, blithering nonsense in the caption?
Not to mention using Bruce Timm’s brilliant work for their nonsense…
@Freemage
The lady in the picture has a lone ranger-esque costume on, and people took exception to the whitewashing of Tonto in the new Lone Ranger movie? Maybe? That’s all I got.
Jamie:
1) What do you mean by “when men’s right’s occurs”? Th
2) Please define “equal parenting rights” and how things are not equal right now? And what social views cause them to be unequal? How can it be changed?
3) Same as 2) but for Equal sentencing, family courts, and education and so on.
You’re right, the MRA does have a tendency to call feminists Feminazis and the like. Good call.
Why this isn’t actually an inevitability is actually answered in your first paragraph.
OK, seriously, find one subgroup of MRAs that isn’t riddled with bigotry.
Sadly, Jamie’s post reads like a copy pasted drive-by, so I doubt a return is inevitable.
NickNameNick
That’s not all of it. It’s a rewording of Anita Sarkeesian’s fundraiser. Hers is a drive for the video series “Ordinary Women: Daring to defy history.” So he made “Extraordinary People: Daring to actually help women.”
Bad people donating to good causes in attempt to make them selves not look like bad people ,nothing new there
http://www.cracked.com/article/238_5-inspiring-acts-kindness-by-terrifying-crime-syndicates/
For every person or website I’ve seen plug Sarkeesian’s new kickstarter, if you click to see the replies, they are flooded with a mixture of “UGH I am done with this place/you as an author, you got duped by a con-artist”, and sealion-style “polite” responses that are almost identical versions of, “OR, you could call attention to this campaign that *actually helps* women [link]”.
I had not even heard of the campaign, and until this WHTM post, I didn’t know who started it, but seeing it pop up all over the place in copy-paste comments already tipped me off that it had to be tied to GG somehow. Seriously, all of their super seekrit covert ops are mind-bendingly transparent.
Come on, dudes. Give it a rest already. This tactic hasn’t worked for the past couple of years; it’s not going to start magically working now. Nobody outside of GG believes Sarkeesian is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. The world will not end because she makes some videos. Chill out, play some games, donate to a cause you like because you like it, not because you think it will make someone you hate look bad. Nobody is forcing you to support Sarkeesian, or listen to her, or like her. Life goes on.
And also please stop throwing temper tantrums about Overwatch’s Tracer, kthxbye.
It’s typical for those who hold priviledge, or those who benefit from priviledge for that to be invisible to those who hold it. The same is true of bigotry, and sexist.
We live in society that is demonstrateable bigoted towards men. That basic reality, such as equal sentencing for equal crimes, equal parental access, equal treatment in family courts – those are all too reasonable to be ignored for ever, whatever attempts feminism does to censor what it doesn’t want said, or shame it, those seem like inevitable events. You can’t resist the reasonble, the truth, forever.
All men’s rights activists want is utterly gender symmetrical treatment is what mens rights people want and feminists demonstratably. For everyone to actually be treated as actual equals, rather than feminists always pushing whomever else stands in the way of their power back.
When it comes to a you or me proposition, feminist dialogue will always pick benefit for them over anyone else, or equality. It will always say that women are always victims, men always oppressors (which is silly nowadays), and it will distort the science and the facts, misrepresenting them in propaganda to sell it’s lies.
Violence for example, is not a gendered issue. Not in any credible direct study. If anything men are overwhelmingly the victims of violence. And women control the majority of spending money, and make the majority of household decisions.
We live in a gynocracy. I am very serious, and to me, as a man, it kind of feels like i image being a women in the sixties felt – negatively stereotyped, stripped of many forms of power, and yet unrecognised by the oppressing parties.
Take job equality. The moan is constantly about CEO positions and so on. Well most men aren’t that. Most people aren’t that. But what men are by and large is underpaid, high labour, high risk workers, who work in the lowest paid jobs. But feminists don’t want equality in that. Just the things they want, not the equality they don’t.
Pick and mix. What benefits me, not what achieves equality. It’s a giant, ridiculous joke that any man believed the idea that feminists would stand for them. The homosexual and transgender community is thankfully starting to wake up.
And sadly the majority of women don’t even know when they are being sexist, or that the ideas they echo are founded in what has been turned into a hate movement.
Men have a right to equality, and we will get it. You can say what you like about our rude, radical members. They are only matching the tone of the extreme sexism and hate we see from gender feminists. And that extreme tone? Well the moderates, and the polite PC, men’s rights activists get just the same violent, rude, contemptable response as the radicals do. They are treated identically. So don’t complain about our behaviour if you are going to label and treat us all the same anyway, it’s pointless. That’s just how feminists react to everything that disagrees with them. Anger and shaming, and any other tactic they can think of to silence people. They don’t believe in free speech, or true equality and they just want the disagreeing party to shut up, so they ragefit.
Events in Japan, the Uk riots, gamergate, have highlighted a sea change, a paradigm shift. Which is why feminists, clinging to the power that this provides them are so threatened by it. Because they know it’s significant. They know it’s a threat to their way of thinking. We are still early days. Feminist radical, LGBT radical early. We still haven’t organised. So early. But already you feel it, the momentum, and the compelling rational core behind the intelligent speakers.
Why react so viscerally, if you didn’t think it a threat? If it was irrelevant, you’d ignore it.
A sea change is coming, and you folks, will find yourselves on the wrong side of history.
Or if you don’t you’ll find yourself continueing to subjegate anyone that isn’t at the top of the feminist power base pecking order- and I am sure that plenty of other groups will be denied voice, or stripped of voice in that greedy power mad struggle.
Find me one subgroup of feminism that isn’t riddled with bigotry and sexism. That’s such a lol question.
I can answer that question. Given a lot of feminists have disavowed anything to do with the movement, and an interesting percentage of our new recruits are former feminist nowadays, I’d be surprised if you can find one.
I follow a group called ‘protection from men’. It’s an issues focused grassroot movement for mens issues. It’s not mysognist. Although pretty much anything feminists don’t like being said, will get called that at some point. It’s like a reflex, like pulling your knee up.
Something you don’t like? Mysoginist
Burnt your toast? The toaster is a rape apologist.
Of course men are mad. They have plenty of reason to be mad. If the rude language and inflammatory messages offend your ears, don’t listen, don’t look at it. Your not forced onto MRA sites. The whole point in that stuff is to light a fire under feminists asses and let them know, there is no backing down going to happen here, we are going to fight this till the war is over, and the oppression of men, is ended.
Feminists are the authoritarian extreme left. And it’s their business is to try and tell everyone else what to think, how to speak, and how to exist and to silence and violently oppose anything that doesn’t fit your extremely narrow view of the world.
These “left” people have more in common with the nanny state right wingers, who also believe everyone must be controlled. That is why we draw parallels to fascism, because like facists, you are actually trying to be the thought police, and creating not diversity, but unilaterally identical thinking.
You cannot stand anyone thinking differently. That’s what this whole site is about, that’s why it exists. Because the comments section wasn’t big enough to yell, shake and shame in.