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You may soon be asking this question yourself
You may soon be asking this question yourself

We’re still running a meme surplus in the We Hunted the Mammoth offices, so I’m going to drop a few more on you today. Enjoy the FLAWLESS STEM LOGIC and KEEN GRASP OF REALITY displayed in the following memes, gathered from A Voice for Men’s Facebook page. I’ve lightly censored a couple of them.

Err, what? You do realize that ... oh never mind.
WE INVENTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU

 

Ha Ha! Girls are stupid amirite fellas high five!
Ha Ha! Girls are stupid and can’t do math amirite fellas high five!

 

Damn you gals for keeping men out of this low-paying profession that men could actually enter if they wanted to!
Damn you gals for keeping men out of this low-paying profession that men could easily enter if they wanted to because it’s not actually a “hiring scheme” that keeps them out!

 

THIS ISN'T ACTUALLY TRUE BUT AYBE IF WE PUT IT IN ALL-CAPS WITH A FUNNY STOCK IMAGE NO ONE WILL NOTICE!
THIS ISN’T ACTUALLY TRUE BUT MAYBE IF WE PUT IT IN ALL-CAPS NO ONE WILL NOTICE!
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LindsayIrene
5 years ago

Hey, men-people: there are severe teacher shortages in California and Kansas! If you really, truly want a stressful job where you may not even be allowed time to pee, and that pays far less than private sector jobs with a commensurate education, go for it!

bluecat
bluecat
5 years ago

OK, I read the last one and first thought was – how about if I have someone else’s penis, like, in formaldehyde? Do I get a promotion or not?

(Forgive me: I heard stories about Vivaldi’s ordination in my Roman Catholic youth, y’see…)

The one about teaching, though – about 15 years ago there was a lot of thoughtful governmental throat-clearing about how they wanted to raise the status of the nursing profession. Proposed solution – recruit more chaps. Because the status of the skills, care and devotion which see us all through our absolute worst moments means nothing if there is insufficient penis.

Margaret Pless
Margaret Pless
5 years ago

I love how the meme about male teachers is 180 degrees south of reality. In my town at least, there is *already* an government initiative in place to hire more male teachers. It’s called “NYC Men Teach”, and it’s basically a hiring scheme to attract more men (and esp. men of color) to become teachers!

Link here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ymi/html/teach/teach.shtml

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

“A women.”

Well, that’s a lot closer than “A girl” or “A female,” but still not quite right…

Hedin
Hedin
5 years ago

I know a lot of teachers, and schools are desperate to hire male educators. It isn’t a quota or official affirmative action program, but being a man is definitely an advantage in getting an educational gig.

ScarlettAthena
ScarlettAthena
5 years ago

I love the idea that “because math is hard”, the girls *must* therefore prefer gender studies. It’s like these guys don’t know about history, English, philosophy, languages, marketing, psychology, sociology, communications, journalism….

dslucia
dslucia
5 years ago

At least it’s easy to understand why the first one makes no sense: “fuck logic”.

Bina
5 years ago

Notice how these guys all talk big about meritocracy until a woman has merit. Then they’re all “Oh, men are so oppressed, we need Affirmative Action for teh MENZ!!!”

ScarlettAthena
ScarlettAthena
5 years ago

Who on earth thinks that there is no criticism of teaching?!! I see articles, hear reports and here random people all the time criticizing teachers and the teaching profession, saying that tenure allows all that dead wood to stay in. It’s the only profession I know of where the longer you are in it, the more they want to kick you out. Only new, fresh grads know how to teach.

davidknewton
5 years ago

How crap at being a man do you have to be to think that the world is stacked against you, anyway? It’s obvious to me – and very much less obvious in others, for which I thank this blog for pointing them out – that I have so many advantages because of my gender, whether in the fields of healthcare, hiring, just feeling safe walking around at night… (and on top of that, having a British accent that makes anything I’m saying sound about 50% more intelligent than it actually is).

What I’m getting at is that these people think that they’re behind in the rat race because they’re men, but it’s really because they’re kind of all-round failures as people.

ryan
ryan
5 years ago

I have this crazy suspicion that the people behind these memes probably weren’t good at STEM subjects or the humanities. I bet they kicked ass at summer school and lunch though.

Jamesworkshop
Jamesworkshop
5 years ago

99.99% of all great scientists and inventors never made shitty non-memes.

Judge dread
I am the law

If only he had a vagina, I might have believed him.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

about 15 years ago there was a lot of thoughtful governmental throat-clearing about how they wanted to raise the status of the nursing profession. Proposed solution – recruit more chaps. Because the status of the skills, care and devotion which see us all through our absolute worst moments means nothing if there is insufficient penis.

Sadly, that would be a pretty good way to improve the profession’s status. Any profession that has a lot of men in it > any profession that has a lot of women in it. A profession’s prestige can change over time if men enter or leave it in significant numbers. See also: programming, which was a low-wage, entry-level position when it was full of women, but which became very high-status when men decided to take it over.

LindsayIrene
5 years ago

Looking at menteach.org, in 2014 men were 2.8% of pre-school and kindergarten teachers. It goes up to 43% in secondary school. What I’ve heard is that as the age of students go up, so does the pay of the teachers. So when men teach, they tend to be in better-paying positions.

Judas Peckerwood
Judas Peckerwood
5 years ago

@davidknewton

How crap at being a man do you have to be to think that the world is stacked against you, anyway?

It’s not so much being crap at being a man as it is being crap at sentience.

iknklast
iknklast
5 years ago

Policy of Madness – that also shows in the change of status of secretary. When secretaries were all men, it was an important, reasonably well paid, and certainly well respected position. As it became mostly women, it didn’t become any easier (in fact, much more complicated in our new global world), but now it is “just a secretary” – just like being a teacher when from being a valued profession to one of my classmates saying at our class reunion that she was “just a teacher”. At least they do seem to recognize something – without all those teacher, there would be no STEM professionals.

LindsayIrene – I don’t know if this has any relevance, but when I was growing up, the common theme among the mothers at my school was that a male elementary school teacher must be “homosexual”. You and I might yawn and say “so what” but at least in that time (the 1960s and 70s), it was not a great career move to be a “homosexual”. Similarly, until we got married, my husband was assumed to be gay because he was a librarian (and single).

Also, in high school, the classes are more specialized. History classes are routinely taught by coaches, and I imagine there are more male coaches in most schools than female. Math teachers probably weight heavily male (not because women can’t do math, mind you. I’m pretty good at it myself, fortunately, since I am an Ecologist, which requires lots and lots of statistics). Then there are the science courses and other courses considered “manly”. In grade school, there’s a lot more reading and learning of the alphabet, those unimportant things that women go into because they can’t do math!

snork maiden
5 years ago

I wonder why that window cleaner in the last one is wearing a suit?

Freemage
Freemage
5 years ago

I also can’t think of any case where I’ve heard criticism of teachers being denounced as sexism simply for the choice of targets. (Naturally, there have been cases of sexism in criticizing specific teachers, but that’s a different issue entirely.) I would really like to know what he’s referring to.

(I have one squick-inducing notion, actually. Anti-feminist shitheads like to complain about the [genuine] double-standard assigned to male vs. female sexual abusers of teenagers. The disproportionate ratio of women to men in the teaching profession means that women abusers are quite often teachers. The anti-feminist might very well assume that when he’s getting called out for failing to note that it’s a sexist view of patriarchal society that leads to this double-standard, that he’s just being called sexist for choosing to target teachers. Because seriously, these guys fail basic comprehension so very, very hard.)

Moggie
Moggie
5 years ago

ScarlettAthena:

Who on earth thinks that there is no criticism of teaching?!!

In the manosphere, and the right in general, “you’re not allowed to criticise x!” tends to mean “I tried to criticise x, and got my arse handed to me by people who had the unfair advantage of a better command of the facts about x”.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

It would be great to have more men be teachers, since the profession would become more valued and respected as a result. That is, until they start pushing out all the women, culminating in some douchebag 50 years from now insisting that women can’t be teachers, since teaching requires disciplinary abilities, problem-solving, and academic knowledge. Women should stick to easier work, he’ll say, like medicine, which is all about nurturing. Sure, it doesn’t pay as well, but that’s just because teaching is difficult, important work, and medicine is mostly memorization and paperwork and stuff.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

Strange…I must have imagined the roughly 30 out of the 40 total years as far as where my dad went to work…as a teacher. But never fear, that same time period I know for certain my mom was going to the job she said she was…teaching. They are both retired now, I guess I should apologize for them adding to the problem in California of not having enough teachers.

My dad was glad when I decided to change my major and not become a teacher. I think my mom was too but she’d never say it unless I asked (I didn’t). They saw the profession change a lot over those 40 years, more or less not for the better. Some things like the added requirement of ongoing training/education to add to their skills were good and necessary. Being union members meant having to go on strike with everyone else when strikes went forward. The student to teacher ratio, curriculum changes decided by those far removed from classrooms or even campuses, uninvolved/disinterested parents, administrators more interested in student performance looking good than how students were actually doing – if poorly, how to help them improve…I worked a couple years as a teachers assistant at the beginning of college, the experience made it clear to me that teaching was not the best career path for me. A couple students who cheated on a test after I spent weeks working with them until they mastered the material but didn’t have enough confidence in themselves to not take the easy way was something I took too personally…I never would have been able to deal with school administrators who seemed to feel like they were more important than the teachers simply because they were in an office not a classroom. Teaching is a difficult and often thankless job, not to mention pays ridiculously little when you think about all they’re expected to do.

Skiriki
Skiriki
5 years ago
Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

Also re: meme #2, I sincerely fucking doubt that a women’s studies degree can be earned without the use of math.

Bina
5 years ago

Men’s education is actively ignored. Say men. Who have ignored the education of women for literally centuries.

And they say WE can’t do math?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

Meme #1: The education of future STEMmy STEM STEMscientists is being actively ignored! Schools don’t teach math and science anymore!

Meme #2: (Girl standing in front of chalkboard covered with equations)

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Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 years ago

I see MRAs are still not wanting to admit that women like Marie Curie, Rosalind Franklin, Jane Goodall, Lise Meitner, Shirley Jackson, Irene Joliot-Curie, Dorothy Hodgkin, and Barbara McClintock (to name a few) did anything important.

eloli
eloli
5 years ago

Well, regarding the “gender studies” meme, I’ve always found the notion that girls are bad at math or science pretty absurd.

I mean, my five year old daughter’s pretty good at math, loves building houses with her legos, and wants to be a veterinary when she grows up, yet, at the same time, loves to play tea time with her plush toys and her favorite colors are black, pink and violet.

Personally, I think the whole “women are bad at math/hard science” reasoning more the product of patriarchal culture inertia rather than product of demonstrable differences between genres.

At least, that is and has been my experience.

Taking my family, during my current generation, from a total of 22 cousins, the 5 females and 2 males had successful stem careers, and money wise, the top earners have been evenly distributed among genres.

I went to a pretty posh private High School in the mid to late 80s, in which academic rankings were published quarterly.

Girls outperformed boys routinely.
In fact, from that class, the only two graduates who became genious level academic overachievers in College were girls… one of them is a tenured Macroeconomics teacher at MIT right now.
Most of my female classmates went for economics/stem careers actually, only three of them (from a total of about 60) went for “traditional feminine” careers like teaching or nursing.

At home, I’m the one who followed the “humanities path”, since I majored in Communications, Advertising and TV Production, getting postgraduate studies on Marketing and Market Research, while my wife studied biology, became an Agronomist and got her postgraduate on Finance.

Guess if anyone of this MRAs finds out that my wife’s the one who tackles most difficult financial decisions I’ll be branded a “gender traitor mangina”. 😀

Saphira
Saphira
5 years ago

But these MRAs only support “manly” teaching jobs, like industrial tech or coaching at the secondary level. Men teaching at the preschool or primary level are “f*ggots” or “pedophiles.”

Dedj
Dedj
5 years ago

That’s the thing that a lot of people in Teh Manosphere don’t get:

If one person constantly calles your arguements sexist/racist, then it may just be that person has a problem with you.

If one group of affiliated people keeps calling your arguements sexist/racist, then it may just be that they have a bias against your arguements.

If multiple, otherwise unaffiliated, groups and individuals all independantly conclude that your arguements are sexist and racist, then it’s likely to be that your arguements are sexist and racist.

They never seem to stop to consider that the reason why *they* cannot talk about X without being accused of being sexist and racist might be because everything they say about X is sexist and racist.

kale
kale
5 years ago

also male nurses get paid more
but women who are a minority in any profession still get paid less.

Orion
Orion
5 years ago

I went to a pretty posh private High School in the mid to late 80s, in which academic rankings were published quarterly.

Girls outperformed boys routinely.

Yup. (This is actually the “evidence” that’s supposed to justify AVFM’s claim that boys’ education is being ignored — if girls do poorly in school it’s cause they’re girls, if they do well it’s cause the system is rigged)

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
5 years ago

Personally, I think the whole “women are bad at math/hard science” reasoning more the product of patriarchal culture inertia rather than product of demonstrable differences between genres.

There have been studies that show parents will say their sons are better at math/science even when their daughters are actually making better grades in those subjects. There was recently a study that made the news showing male biology students consistently overrated their male peers and underrated their female peers in terms of competence. Women’s grades/job performance at the point when they drop out of STEM fields are just as strong as men’s if not better. And so on.

It’s just standard operating procedure: hobble and/or sabotage girls and women while boosting boys and men and then cite the fact that girls and women haven’t kept up as proof that boys and men are inherently more capable.

BritterSweet
5 years ago

The first meme shows that they really don’t care about facts or history at all. Never mind that women were held back from inventing because they were expected to be good house elves. Despite those odds, there were many women who invented and discovered important new devices and ideas, and in quite a few cases a man took the credit for it.

https://www.fiatphysica.com/blog/women-in-science/inventions-by-women

eloli
eloli
5 years ago

@Orion: actually, my take is that girls outperformed boys simply before they studied more and worked harder on their assignments.
My experience is nowhere near normal in that regard, since I went to a “posh private school” in which there was a specific policy to correct existing systemic academic biases against girls.
I have no doubt that back then, on any public school, the results would’ve been pretty different, and wouldn’t be surprised if many of said biases persist now, I guess I’ll find out as my daughters grow up.

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
5 years ago

“A women.”

Well, that’s a lot closer than “A girl” or “A female,” but still not quite right…

I don’t get how they don’t understand it. If they can understand man and men, why can’t they understand that it’s the exact same rule but with “wo” at the beginning of the word.

eloli
eloli
5 years ago

@sevenofmine: I’m not one of those parents. I have two daughters, and I’m incredibly proud of how intelligent they are. Just like their mum. 🙂
On a more serious note, I’m somewhat worried about how gender bias will affect their education as they grow up, but at least, both my wife and me are pretty determined to do the best we can to prevent that.

Miss Andry
5 years ago

They think quotas are still a thing? Because they’re not. I’d say “in b4 ‘affirmative action = quotas” but I doubt anyone outside perpetually aggrieved white racists/men’s rights activists believe that.

eloli
eloli
5 years ago

I have been a white male for more than four decades now, and let me tell you, it’s a pretty sweet deal.
Wherever you look and by almost any metric or statistic, it works out to be great to start out life as a white male.
So that’s why I’ll never understand why so many white men like me are whining about how tough it is to be one.
I mean, what could have happened in their lives to make them feel so beset on every side by feminists, minorities, and the system, when in fact, said system is so stacked in our favor, it’s not even funny?
It’s just mind boggling.
Or it isn’t.
They’re just a bunch of whiners that can’t accept that the answer to the question “Why I’m failing at life so hard?” is pretty obvious if they care to look into a mirror. 😀

Makroth
Makroth
5 years ago

This is somewhat OT, but i’ve noticed on twitter that there are a lot of anti-feminists shilling for a fundraiser that the Amazingatheist has created for the International Women’s Health Organization. Because obviously feminism wasn’t doing anything at all important until him and people like him started talking./s It’s apparently supposed to be a gotcha against feminism and yet he’s supporting a feminist organization. It’s quite strange. And the places where it’s posted turns the link into a Fallacy of relative privation.
Here it is btw: https://www.crowdrise.com/extraordinary-people-daring-to-actually-help-women-

TheDreadVampy
TheDreadVampy
5 years ago

Re the schooling thing: my mum used to work with the local secondary school on organising the best method of splitting classes. She always said (rather dryly) “isn’t it interesting how when boys are outperforming girls, that’s normal and means we’re doing well, but somehow as soon as girls are doing better than boys, we suddenly have a problem?” This thing still holds even if the girls have improved overall and the boys’ overall grades haven’t dropped.

I mean, she was specifically working in the context of gender splitting STEM classes, which tends to improve female grades significantly but has if anything a negative effect on male grades. I’m not sure how I feel about that specifically (although I definitely did better in physics and chemistry when there were no rowdy teen boys, and I got less confident in my abilities at a-level when I was the only girl in a physics class full of boys) but she raised a valid point: why is sacrificing the educational potential of half your students only unacceptable when they’re male?

jupitaur
jupitaur
5 years ago

iknklast:

Also, in high school, the classes are more specialized. History classes are routinely taught by coaches, and I imagine there are more male coaches in most schools than female. Math teachers probably weight heavily male (not because women can’t do math, mind you. I’m pretty good at it myself, fortunately, since I am an Ecologist, which requires lots and lots of statistics).

Yep. In the high school I attended, the male math teachers were coaches. I was oblivious about sports and only found out about it later (!)

They stunk at teaching math, but it was a “guy” discipline and they needed a teaching job in order to coach the team. So we all got a sub-standard math education to support the male sports teams.

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Makroth | March 28, 2016 at 3:01 pm
This is somewhat OT, but i’ve noticed on twitter that there are a lot of anti-feminists shilling for a fundraiser that the Amazingatheist has created for the International Women’s Health Organization.

Reading up on it, I think it has to do with that old chestnut of an argument that feminists are only complaining about “first-world problems” and aren’t actually helping women in THE MIDDLE EAST or Africa, or whatever where women are REALLY oppressed, and us first world feminists should just give up and admit that we don’t care about women because we don’t spend enough time (that is to say, all of our time) throwing money at those women instead of talking about and advocating against sexism here at home.

It’s a sad attempt at a gotcha.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

The Amazing Athiest’s campaign is a direct response to Feminist Frequency’s latest crowd funding campaign.

Anita wrote an article about it:
http://www.themarysue.com/ordinary-women-feminist-frequency/

Mij
Mij
5 years ago

why is sacrificing the educational potential of half your students only unacceptable when they’re male?

Perhaps a better question would be:

Why is there a difference in performance when genders are split?

Also the framing of the issues is disturbing insofar as it seems to be phrased as necessarily zero-sum.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

@Makroth

I… What? Even as a gotcha, even by MRA standards, this makes no fucking sense. And not just because it has fuck-hell nothing to do with Anita.

“We hate feminists, and we want to prove that feminists don’t care about women and girls in developing countries, so we’re donating to a feminist charity set up and run by feminists to help women and girls in developing countries! Yeah, that’ll show ’em. Totally nailed it, bro.”

… This is either the weirdest own goal ever or they’re planning to scam the money at the last second a la Elam’s knockoff White Ribbon site.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
5 years ago

Some of my favorite high school teachers were also coaches. But one of our history teachers was the track coach and he was well known for favoring the jocks. It just seemed so weirdly retrograde in my public high school in a progressive city. Of course, he was an old white guy. The younger coach/teachers were much better.

Tragedy of the Commas
Tragedy of the Commas
5 years ago

Ironically, if they were educated, they’d know that “99.9%” of all inventors and scientists were not and are not men (or even white men). Or that our history of sexism and racism kept women and people of color out of the sciences.

Besides, I thought these men didn’t want women in the sciences anyway? Can’t imagine why women would feel unwelcome in STEM fields.

@ ScarlettAthena

It’s like these guys don’t know about history, English, philosophy, languages, marketing, psychology, sociology, communications, journalism….

They don’t, unless those fields produce artifacts they can use as props for showy displays of “intelligence”. They think Milo is a journalist, ffs.

The men behind these memes probably aren’t as brilliant at STEM fields as they claim either. Futrelle has shared many blogs about men who take credit for work other men have done to prove their own specialness as men. “I spend my days hating all women, but men hunted the mammoth and fought the wars, so I’m still better than any woman in any field! Because male!”

Tangential rant:

STEM versus humanities/Arts and Sciences is such a ridiculous fight. People act as if these fields are mutually exclusive ways of understanding our world and ourselves. Or as if being knowledgeable in one field allows one to act as an expert on another and tell them their business.

For example: you know how people complain that calculus are alebgra are useless because they’re not “practical” to “the real world”? People do that with art and language, too. I’ve met dudes (and it’s always dudes) who took a high school AP class, so now they think they know everything about creative expression in writing and language.

I was a part of the “STEM versus humanities/arts” fight in college, too. But I look back at it as an example of stupid tribalism, like Mac vs PC.

Imperator Kahlo
Imperator Kahlo
5 years ago

Wow, the comments on Sarkeesian’s Mary Sue article, linked above by Kupo, got swamped by MRA trolls. Do these guys all have dozens of Google Alerts set up, or does some sort of hideous bat signal go out any time a woman dares to have an opinion on the Internet?

The article’s a good read though, and it sounds like a fun project. Some of the harassment she’s getting though… I would be gibbering in a corner in the foetal position for months at a time. Somebody sent everybody Sarkeesian knows an erotic ebook he wrote starring Anita herself. WTF is wrong with people.

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
5 years ago

Both my dad and my mom are English teachers. And my dad had a much easier time getting hired than my mom.

Just sayin’, MRAs.

Although both of them probably had a more difficult time than a white person of any gender would have.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

Wow, the comments on Sarkeesian’s Mary Sue article, linked above by Kupo, got swamped by MRA trolls.

And the mods have been actively deleting troll posts, so you’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

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