We’re still running a meme surplus in the We Hunted the Mammoth offices, so I’m going to drop a few more on you today. Enjoy the FLAWLESS STEM LOGIC and KEEN GRASP OF REALITY displayed in the following memes, gathered from A Voice for Men’s Facebook page. I’ve lightly censored a couple of them.
WE INVENTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU
Ha Ha! Girls are stupid and can’t do math amirite fellas high five!
Damn you gals for keeping men out of this low-paying profession that men could easily enter if they wanted to because it’s not actually a “hiring scheme” that keeps them out!
THIS ISN’T ACTUALLY TRUE BUT MAYBE IF WE PUT IT IN ALL-CAPS NO ONE WILL NOTICE!
Hey, men-people: there are severe teacher shortages in California and Kansas! If you really, truly want a stressful job where you may not even be allowed time to pee, and that pays far less than private sector jobs with a commensurate education, go for it!
bluecat
8 years ago
OK, I read the last one and first thought was – how about if I have someone else’s penis, like, in formaldehyde? Do I get a promotion or not?
(Forgive me: I heard stories about Vivaldi’s ordination in my Roman Catholic youth, y’see…)
The one about teaching, though – about 15 years ago there was a lot of thoughtful governmental throat-clearing about how they wanted to raise the status of the nursing profession. Proposed solution – recruit more chaps. Because the status of the skills, care and devotion which see us all through our absolute worst moments means nothing if there is insufficient penis.
Margaret Pless
8 years ago
I love how the meme about male teachers is 180 degrees south of reality. In my town at least, there is *already* an government initiative in place to hire more male teachers. It’s called “NYC Men Teach”, and it’s basically a hiring scheme to attract more men (and esp. men of color) to become teachers!
Well, that’s a lot closer than “A girl” or “A female,” but still not quite right…
Hedin
8 years ago
I know a lot of teachers, and schools are desperate to hire male educators. It isn’t a quota or official affirmative action program, but being a man is definitely an advantage in getting an educational gig.
ScarlettAthena
8 years ago
I love the idea that “because math is hard”, the girls *must* therefore prefer gender studies. It’s like these guys don’t know about history, English, philosophy, languages, marketing, psychology, sociology, communications, journalism….
dslucia
8 years ago
At least it’s easy to understand why the first one makes no sense: “fuck logic”.
Notice how these guys all talk big about meritocracy until a woman has merit. Then they’re all “Oh, men are so oppressed, we need Affirmative Action for teh MENZ!!!”
ScarlettAthena
8 years ago
Who on earth thinks that there is no criticism of teaching?!! I see articles, hear reports and here random people all the time criticizing teachers and the teaching profession, saying that tenure allows all that dead wood to stay in. It’s the only profession I know of where the longer you are in it, the more they want to kick you out. Only new, fresh grads know how to teach.
davidknewton
8 years ago
How crap at being a man do you have to be to think that the world is stacked against you, anyway? It’s obvious to me – and very much less obvious in others, for which I thank this blog for pointing them out – that I have so many advantages because of my gender, whether in the fields of healthcare, hiring, just feeling safe walking around at night… (and on top of that, having a British accent that makes anything I’m saying sound about 50% more intelligent than it actually is).
What I’m getting at is that these people think that they’re behind in the rat race because they’re men, but it’s really because they’re kind of all-round failures as people.
ryan
8 years ago
I have this crazy suspicion that the people behind these memes probably weren’t good at STEM subjects or the humanities. I bet they kicked ass at summer school and lunch though.
Jamesworkshop
8 years ago
99.99% of all great scientists and inventors never made shitty non-memes.
Judge dread
I am the law
If only he had a vagina, I might have believed him.
Policy of Madness
8 years ago
about 15 years ago there was a lot of thoughtful governmental throat-clearing about how they wanted to raise the status of the nursing profession. Proposed solution – recruit more chaps. Because the status of the skills, care and devotion which see us all through our absolute worst moments means nothing if there is insufficient penis.
Sadly, that would be a pretty good way to improve the profession’s status. Any profession that has a lot of men in it > any profession that has a lot of women in it. A profession’s prestige can change over time if men enter or leave it in significant numbers. See also: programming, which was a low-wage, entry-level position when it was full of women, but which became very high-status when men decided to take it over.
Looking at menteach.org, in 2014 men were 2.8% of pre-school and kindergarten teachers. It goes up to 43% in secondary school. What I’ve heard is that as the age of students go up, so does the pay of the teachers. So when men teach, they tend to be in better-paying positions.
How crap at being a man do you have to be to think that the world is stacked against you, anyway?
It’s not so much being crap at being a man as it is being crap at sentience.
iknklast
8 years ago
Policy of Madness – that also shows in the change of status of secretary. When secretaries were all men, it was an important, reasonably well paid, and certainly well respected position. As it became mostly women, it didn’t become any easier (in fact, much more complicated in our new global world), but now it is “just a secretary” – just like being a teacher when from being a valued profession to one of my classmates saying at our class reunion that she was “just a teacher”. At least they do seem to recognize something – without all those teacher, there would be no STEM professionals.
LindsayIrene – I don’t know if this has any relevance, but when I was growing up, the common theme among the mothers at my school was that a male elementary school teacher must be “homosexual”. You and I might yawn and say “so what” but at least in that time (the 1960s and 70s), it was not a great career move to be a “homosexual”. Similarly, until we got married, my husband was assumed to be gay because he was a librarian (and single).
Also, in high school, the classes are more specialized. History classes are routinely taught by coaches, and I imagine there are more male coaches in most schools than female. Math teachers probably weight heavily male (not because women can’t do math, mind you. I’m pretty good at it myself, fortunately, since I am an Ecologist, which requires lots and lots of statistics). Then there are the science courses and other courses considered “manly”. In grade school, there’s a lot more reading and learning of the alphabet, those unimportant things that women go into because they can’t do math!
I wonder why that window cleaner in the last one is wearing a suit?
Freemage
8 years ago
I also can’t think of any case where I’ve heard criticism of teachers being denounced as sexism simply for the choice of targets. (Naturally, there have been cases of sexism in criticizing specific teachers, but that’s a different issue entirely.) I would really like to know what he’s referring to.
(I have one squick-inducing notion, actually. Anti-feminist shitheads like to complain about the [genuine] double-standard assigned to male vs. female sexual abusers of teenagers. The disproportionate ratio of women to men in the teaching profession means that women abusers are quite often teachers. The anti-feminist might very well assume that when he’s getting called out for failing to note that it’s a sexist view of patriarchal society that leads to this double-standard, that he’s just being called sexist for choosing to target teachers. Because seriously, these guys fail basic comprehension so very, very hard.)
Moggie
8 years ago
ScarlettAthena:
Who on earth thinks that there is no criticism of teaching?!!
In the manosphere, and the right in general, “you’re not allowed to criticise x!” tends to mean “I tried to criticise x, and got my arse handed to me by people who had the unfair advantage of a better command of the facts about x”.
Viscaria
8 years ago
It would be great to have more men be teachers, since the profession would become more valued and respected as a result. That is, until they start pushing out all the women, culminating in some douchebag 50 years from now insisting that women can’t be teachers, since teaching requires disciplinary abilities, problem-solving, and academic knowledge. Women should stick to easier work, he’ll say, like medicine, which is all about nurturing. Sure, it doesn’t pay as well, but that’s just because teaching is difficult, important work, and medicine is mostly memorization and paperwork and stuff.
msexceptiontotherule
8 years ago
Strange…I must have imagined the roughly 30 out of the 40 total years as far as where my dad went to work…as a teacher. But never fear, that same time period I know for certain my mom was going to the job she said she was…teaching. They are both retired now, I guess I should apologize for them adding to the problem in California of not having enough teachers.
My dad was glad when I decided to change my major and not become a teacher. I think my mom was too but she’d never say it unless I asked (I didn’t). They saw the profession change a lot over those 40 years, more or less not for the better. Some things like the added requirement of ongoing training/education to add to their skills were good and necessary. Being union members meant having to go on strike with everyone else when strikes went forward. The student to teacher ratio, curriculum changes decided by those far removed from classrooms or even campuses, uninvolved/disinterested parents, administrators more interested in student performance looking good than how students were actually doing – if poorly, how to help them improve…I worked a couple years as a teachers assistant at the beginning of college, the experience made it clear to me that teaching was not the best career path for me. A couple students who cheated on a test after I spent weeks working with them until they mastered the material but didn’t have enough confidence in themselves to not take the easy way was something I took too personally…I never would have been able to deal with school administrators who seemed to feel like they were more important than the teachers simply because they were in an office not a classroom. Teaching is a difficult and often thankless job, not to mention pays ridiculously little when you think about all they’re expected to do.
Skiriki
8 years ago
Here’s a depressing link about what iknklast mentioned:
Hey, men-people: there are severe teacher shortages in California and Kansas! If you really, truly want a stressful job where you may not even be allowed time to pee, and that pays far less than private sector jobs with a commensurate education, go for it!
OK, I read the last one and first thought was – how about if I have someone else’s penis, like, in formaldehyde? Do I get a promotion or not?
(Forgive me: I heard stories about Vivaldi’s ordination in my Roman Catholic youth, y’see…)
The one about teaching, though – about 15 years ago there was a lot of thoughtful governmental throat-clearing about how they wanted to raise the status of the nursing profession. Proposed solution – recruit more chaps. Because the status of the skills, care and devotion which see us all through our absolute worst moments means nothing if there is insufficient penis.
I love how the meme about male teachers is 180 degrees south of reality. In my town at least, there is *already* an government initiative in place to hire more male teachers. It’s called “NYC Men Teach”, and it’s basically a hiring scheme to attract more men (and esp. men of color) to become teachers!
Link here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ymi/html/teach/teach.shtml
“A women.”
Well, that’s a lot closer than “A girl” or “A female,” but still not quite right…
I know a lot of teachers, and schools are desperate to hire male educators. It isn’t a quota or official affirmative action program, but being a man is definitely an advantage in getting an educational gig.
I love the idea that “because math is hard”, the girls *must* therefore prefer gender studies. It’s like these guys don’t know about history, English, philosophy, languages, marketing, psychology, sociology, communications, journalism….
At least it’s easy to understand why the first one makes no sense: “fuck logic”.
Notice how these guys all talk big about meritocracy until a woman has merit. Then they’re all “Oh, men are so oppressed, we need Affirmative Action for teh MENZ!!!”
Who on earth thinks that there is no criticism of teaching?!! I see articles, hear reports and here random people all the time criticizing teachers and the teaching profession, saying that tenure allows all that dead wood to stay in. It’s the only profession I know of where the longer you are in it, the more they want to kick you out. Only new, fresh grads know how to teach.
How crap at being a man do you have to be to think that the world is stacked against you, anyway? It’s obvious to me – and very much less obvious in others, for which I thank this blog for pointing them out – that I have so many advantages because of my gender, whether in the fields of healthcare, hiring, just feeling safe walking around at night… (and on top of that, having a British accent that makes anything I’m saying sound about 50% more intelligent than it actually is).
What I’m getting at is that these people think that they’re behind in the rat race because they’re men, but it’s really because they’re kind of all-round failures as people.
I have this crazy suspicion that the people behind these memes probably weren’t good at STEM subjects or the humanities. I bet they kicked ass at summer school and lunch though.
99.99% of all great scientists and inventors never made shitty non-memes.
Judge dread
I am the law
If only he had a vagina, I might have believed him.
Sadly, that would be a pretty good way to improve the profession’s status. Any profession that has a lot of men in it > any profession that has a lot of women in it. A profession’s prestige can change over time if men enter or leave it in significant numbers. See also: programming, which was a low-wage, entry-level position when it was full of women, but which became very high-status when men decided to take it over.
Looking at menteach.org, in 2014 men were 2.8% of pre-school and kindergarten teachers. It goes up to 43% in secondary school. What I’ve heard is that as the age of students go up, so does the pay of the teachers. So when men teach, they tend to be in better-paying positions.
@davidknewton
It’s not so much being crap at being a man as it is being crap at sentience.
Policy of Madness – that also shows in the change of status of secretary. When secretaries were all men, it was an important, reasonably well paid, and certainly well respected position. As it became mostly women, it didn’t become any easier (in fact, much more complicated in our new global world), but now it is “just a secretary” – just like being a teacher when from being a valued profession to one of my classmates saying at our class reunion that she was “just a teacher”. At least they do seem to recognize something – without all those teacher, there would be no STEM professionals.
LindsayIrene – I don’t know if this has any relevance, but when I was growing up, the common theme among the mothers at my school was that a male elementary school teacher must be “homosexual”. You and I might yawn and say “so what” but at least in that time (the 1960s and 70s), it was not a great career move to be a “homosexual”. Similarly, until we got married, my husband was assumed to be gay because he was a librarian (and single).
Also, in high school, the classes are more specialized. History classes are routinely taught by coaches, and I imagine there are more male coaches in most schools than female. Math teachers probably weight heavily male (not because women can’t do math, mind you. I’m pretty good at it myself, fortunately, since I am an Ecologist, which requires lots and lots of statistics). Then there are the science courses and other courses considered “manly”. In grade school, there’s a lot more reading and learning of the alphabet, those unimportant things that women go into because they can’t do math!
I wonder why that window cleaner in the last one is wearing a suit?
I also can’t think of any case where I’ve heard criticism of teachers being denounced as sexism simply for the choice of targets. (Naturally, there have been cases of sexism in criticizing specific teachers, but that’s a different issue entirely.) I would really like to know what he’s referring to.
(I have one squick-inducing notion, actually. Anti-feminist shitheads like to complain about the [genuine] double-standard assigned to male vs. female sexual abusers of teenagers. The disproportionate ratio of women to men in the teaching profession means that women abusers are quite often teachers. The anti-feminist might very well assume that when he’s getting called out for failing to note that it’s a sexist view of patriarchal society that leads to this double-standard, that he’s just being called sexist for choosing to target teachers. Because seriously, these guys fail basic comprehension so very, very hard.)
ScarlettAthena:
In the manosphere, and the right in general, “you’re not allowed to criticise x!” tends to mean “I tried to criticise x, and got my arse handed to me by people who had the unfair advantage of a better command of the facts about x”.
It would be great to have more men be teachers, since the profession would become more valued and respected as a result. That is, until they start pushing out all the women, culminating in some douchebag 50 years from now insisting that women can’t be teachers, since teaching requires disciplinary abilities, problem-solving, and academic knowledge. Women should stick to easier work, he’ll say, like medicine, which is all about nurturing. Sure, it doesn’t pay as well, but that’s just because teaching is difficult, important work, and medicine is mostly memorization and paperwork and stuff.
Strange…I must have imagined the roughly 30 out of the 40 total years as far as where my dad went to work…as a teacher. But never fear, that same time period I know for certain my mom was going to the job she said she was…teaching. They are both retired now, I guess I should apologize for them adding to the problem in California of not having enough teachers.
My dad was glad when I decided to change my major and not become a teacher. I think my mom was too but she’d never say it unless I asked (I didn’t). They saw the profession change a lot over those 40 years, more or less not for the better. Some things like the added requirement of ongoing training/education to add to their skills were good and necessary. Being union members meant having to go on strike with everyone else when strikes went forward. The student to teacher ratio, curriculum changes decided by those far removed from classrooms or even campuses, uninvolved/disinterested parents, administrators more interested in student performance looking good than how students were actually doing – if poorly, how to help them improve…I worked a couple years as a teachers assistant at the beginning of college, the experience made it clear to me that teaching was not the best career path for me. A couple students who cheated on a test after I spent weeks working with them until they mastered the material but didn’t have enough confidence in themselves to not take the easy way was something I took too personally…I never would have been able to deal with school administrators who seemed to feel like they were more important than the teachers simply because they were in an office not a classroom. Teaching is a difficult and often thankless job, not to mention pays ridiculously little when you think about all they’re expected to do.
Here’s a depressing link about what iknklast mentioned:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html?_r=0
Also re: meme #2, I sincerely fucking doubt that a women’s studies degree can be earned without the use of math.
Men’s education is actively ignored. Say men. Who have ignored the education of women for literally centuries.
And they say WE can’t do math?
Meme #1: The education of future STEMmy STEM STEMscientists is being actively ignored! Schools don’t teach math and science anymore!
Meme #2: (Girl standing in front of chalkboard covered with equations)
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