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I say “tomato,” you say “feminism is cancer,” let’s call the whole thing off!

The dictionary definition of "tomato" didn't warn me about this!
The dictionary definition of “tomato” didn’t warn me about this!

Men’s Rights Activists and other antifeminists always hate it when feminists point them to dictionary definitions of feminism as “the advocacy of equal rights for men and women” (or similar) rather than “a seekrit cabal of evil spermjacking sluts that want to genocide all men,” which is what all MRAs apparently think feminism really is.

In the meme below, one anti-feminist tries to prove that dictionary definitions aren’t always right so there, and if the dictionary can get “tomato” wrong then it must have feminism wrong too!

tomatomeme

Aw, dude. You tried. But apparently you didn’t bother to check the dictionary definition of “tomato” first. Here’s what you get if you type the words “tomato definition” into Google.

to·ma·to təˈmādō/ noun 1. a glossy red, or occasionally yellow, pulpy edible fruit that is typically eaten as a vegetable or in salad. 2. the South American plant of the nightshade family that produces this fruit. It is widely grown as a cash crop, and many varieties have been developed.D’oh!

 

 

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Nobody Special | March 27, 2016 at 7:24 pm
jy3, Social Justice Beguiler, I’m pretty certain that it is impossible to make meatballs out of vegetables; made from vegetarian animals maybe, but not from vegetables.
Please tell me how you achieve this paradoxical feat of culinary magic.

That’s easy! You make them out of animal crackers!

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
4 years ago

Well, soybeans can be used to make meatballs since TVP has a similar texture to meat.

Of course, one could argue that TVP “meatballs” are not actually meatballs since….they’re not made of meat.

masque d'étoiles
masque d'étoiles
4 years ago

@Mockingbird: That sandwich = midsummer heaven. Yessss.

I also like bruschetta, made as follows:
Lightly toast thick slices of bakery Italian bread.
Rub toast slices on one side with a raw garlic clove and arrange on a platter. (Leave room around the edges of the platter; things are about to get messy.)
Quarter the same tomatoes Mockingbird describes, and squeeze over the garlic-rubbed toast, one quarter per toast slice, until the tomato splooshes and schlurps of your hand and onto the toast in delightfully juicy chunks. (Told you it was messy.)
Wash your hands, then drizzle a nice spicy extra virgin olive oil over each piece of tomato-topped toast.
Sprinkle with shredded fresh basil leaves and a shake or two of sea salt.
Devour.

If you must gild the lily, you can add a slice of fresh mozzarella on top of the tomato, under the olive oil.

katz
4 years ago

That’s easy! You make them out of animal crackers!

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
4 years ago

I have been reading here for a few years, and have many reasons to be glad Mammoth exists. Not the least of which is that I can finally wear a bra again sometimes because of fitting advice I read here.

David’s work and the community here are so (good, comforting, funny, educational), I figure it is about time to be reauthorized to post, and here we are with a conversation I think I can help with.

When I started making salsa at home, I went on a search for a pepper that would not have a bitter after-taste. The ones I settled on are advertised here in Nebraska as “Thai peppers”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird's_eye_chili

The key to telling them apart from others is the distinctive cap. [link broken to prevent embedding]
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Three to five green ones in a salsa made out of 5 medium sized tomatoes is pleasantly warm (if you grind them into nearly a paste).

Anyway, thanks for being so great.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

Favorite tomato sauce based dish is Burgers Florentine: 2 patties of ground beef, with breadcrumbs, spices and egg, stuffed with cottage cheese, cooked spinach and parsley, browned, then braised in a red-wine and tomato sauce with green peppers and onions. Serve with egg noodles or boiled new potatoes and a side salad.

Unfortunately for me, ham was on sale. I made ham for a pot luck 2 weeks ago, then had split pea soup from the bone. Now i have another ham to myself, with baked mac an cheese casserole.

Ham today, ham tomorrow, HAM FOREVER!

GenJones
GenJones
4 years ago

Hey, just wanted to share an update I thought y’all might find interesting. I don’t know how many of you caught it, but I posted a comment a while back about male birth control options and how I often have to explain to men who believe they only have condoms and vasectomy at their disposal that all the “female” over-the-counter options that can be used immediately prior to sex are also available to men because they’re intended for vaginal intercourse, not just vaginas.

I just checked into Quora today, had politely answered a question under the Men’s Rights topic about male contraception options, and even supplied several inexpensive brands by name and common national chain stores where they could be obtained……..

And discovered that my answer had been collapsed due to downvotes.

(Sorry for double posting in the old thread and this one, but this seemed so revealing I had to share. I’m beginning to think the only answer that would have been acceptable answer would have been one that supports the narrative that men don’t have any options, because feminism is cancer.)

James
James
4 years ago

Probably a little ironic defending feminist as not men-hating lesbians with a male oppressing agenda, when you are basically claiming the exact same thing of mens rights groups (that they are misogynists, racists etc, one and all, with a female rights destorying agenda -if they have an interest in mens issues).

IDK, maybe you missed that. People often do, but I found it kind of cute.

Also, kind of cute that you see the former as bigotry, and not the later. That making a generalisation about one group is cool, and another is not, even though, they are basically mirror image of each other, and at various times both contain individuals that seem like twits and morons.

It’s like a person with a huge blind spot, just living in irony with no self-awareness of it.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

@GenJones: That really is interesting.

It does feed into our theory that MRAs don’t actually want to help men, but instead would rather whine and complain that they don’t have options when they do, facts be damned.

Which pretty much just evokes this image:

calmdown
calmdown
4 years ago

@GenJones

I’m sorry for asking you to repeat yourself but would you mind giving a couple examples of male bc options here (or a link to a source or where you posted before)? It sounds really interesting but when I went to the Planned Parenthood website it I couldn’t find much other than the usual.

katz
4 years ago

Probably a little ironic defending feminist as not men-hating lesbians with a male oppressing agenda, when you are basically claiming the exact same thing of mens rights groups (that they are misogynists, racists etc, one and all, with a female rights destorying agenda -if they have an interest in mens issues).

So this is a pretty obscure piece of trivia so I’m not surprised you don’t know it, but actually, individual people are different, so a fact can be true of one person but not of another.

For instance, it’s not logically fallacious or ironic for a murder suspect to say “I’m not the murderer, he is.” You’re just saying that particular fact is true of someone else but not of you.

calmdown
calmdown
4 years ago

they are basically mirror image(s) of each other

MRAs love repeating this ad nauseam but repetition/volume does not automatically make a statement true 🙂
At least I hope not.

GenJones
GenJones
4 years ago

@calmdown – The only birth control men don’t have access to is a prescription to alter the woman’s body and hormone levels. That is the only exclusively female birth control method. However, just because a form of contraception is not specific to male anatomy doesn’t mean they can’t buy them and use them. They’re meant for vaginal intercourse, not just vaginas. Just as women can purchase condoms as a method of contraception, men can also purchase any form of spermicide or vaginal contraceptive that can be applied immediately prior to sex, including contraceptive film, gel, cervical caps, sponges etc.

Conceptrol, Encare, VCF, Softcup cervical caps and sponges are all available inexpensively at any CVS or Walgreens and many other drugstores in the family planning aisle near the condoms and are just as available to men as they are to women.

calmdown
calmdown
4 years ago

men can also purchase any form of spermicide or vaginal contraceptive that can be applied immediately prior to sex, including contraceptive film, gel, cervical caps, sponges etc.

Ok, I see what you mean, thanks for answering. 🙂

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@TheDreadVampy
Pathia?! This American has a new word now! I had to Google it though, because this sweet and sour curry is mostly found in curry shops in the UK.

It looks really, really delicious! I’m going to keep it in mind, assuming that my boyfriend will go for it. He’s got an American palate and prefers mostly sweet and salty. Sour is kind of challenging for him. But he does love spicy!

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Luzbelitx

Hi everyone. Had eye surgery few days ago. Fo nit computer much.

Eye surgery sounds challenging. I hope that it went smoothly and that you

Get Well Soon!/strong>

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Probably a little ironic defending feminist as not men-hating lesbians with a male oppressing agenda, when you are basically claiming the exact same thing of mens rights groups (that they are misogynists, racists etc, one and all, with a female rights destorying agenda -if they have an interest in mens issues).

Ooh, a Both Sides Do It troll! It’s been a few days since we’ve spotted one of those.

He reminds me of an abusive ex. When we fought he would (sometimes) apologize. And then he would demand that I apologize too, because “every fight is the fault of both sides.”

Nah.

And that’s what I told him.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Luzbelitx
“/Strong>” at the end of my comment was the Blockquote Mammoth’s way of telling you

Get Well Soon–You’re Strong!

That lumbering–yet sneaky–Mammoth is right!

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

James | March 28, 2016 at 12:10 am
Probably a little ironic defending feminist as not men-hating lesbians with a male oppressing agenda, when you are basically claiming the exact same thing of mens rights groups (that they are misogynists, racists etc, one and all, with a female rights destorying agenda -if they have an interest in mens issues).

Except we’re not claiming every single individual who cares about mens’ rights is a misogynist, just the ones who flock to any one of the toxic banners that falls under the larger label of The Manosphere?

Of course, you could show us a MRA that isn’t a misogynist or a racist. But that’d be asking you to do something other than sit there and preen in your assumed higher intelligence, I suppose.

If you actually give a shit about mens’ rights issues and want to do something about them, great, we’ll even help you to the best of our ability! Many of us have discussed mens’ rights on this very forum and what to do about them, and many of our regular posters are men and have offered their own ideas about what we could do about them.

However, if you say you care about mens’ rights but then turn around and say that you think the solution to all your problems is for women to get back in the kitchen and stop being feminists and you yell loudly about how black people are thugs and Muslim people are terrorists, we’re going to side-eye you quite a bit, and most likely say you’re being sexist/racist/otherwise bigoted.

I don’t get this argument that we’re some how “bigots” for pointing out bigoted things that so called “Mens’ Rights Activists” have said/done.

This is like saying “Pointing out acts of racism is racist!” or “Pointing out acts of homophobia is homophobic!”

It makes zero sense. Calling out bigotry does not a bigot make. Being a bigot makes you a bigot. It’s that simple.

IDK, maybe you missed that. People often do, but I found it kind of cute.

What is it with these trolls and their sneering condescension? It’s reminiscent of a cheesy Saturday Morning Cartoon villain.

Except we all just sit back and laugh at you instead of gasp over-dramatically and declare you our arch-nemesis. Especially when you walk in here with all that condescension and just end up making an ass out of yourself via logic fail.

Also, kind of cute that you see the former as bigotry, and not the later. That making a generalisation about one group is cool, and another is not, even though, they are basically mirror image of each other, and at various times both contain individuals that seem like twits and morons.

It’s like a person with a huge blind spot, just living in irony with no self-awareness of it.

Anyone else smell a Jamie sock from that other thread? Because I smell the tell-tale stench of shit from a moral high horse. “Both sides are stupid, I’m the only smart person here! HAHAHAHAH KNEEL BEFORE YOUR INTELLECTUAL SUPERIOR!”

http://i0.wp.com/www.alaskacommons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/personally-i-find-atheists-just-as-annoying-as-fundamentalist-christians-well-the-important-thing-is-youve-found-a-way-to-feel-superior-to-both-xkcd.png

(Just replace “atheists” and “fundamentalist Christians” with “Feminists” and “MRAs”, and you have James. It’s sad really. It’s almost like he’s living in his own little bubble with no self-awareness.)

Because feminism and mens’ rights activism isn’t “basically mirror image of each other” if James (or Jamie) would actually do some fucking research. But, of course James is too smart for that! Nah, he knows exactly what both sides are like! He’s gone and generalized them both, and that’s obviously the only correct answer here!

No more feminism! No more manospherians! Just James! Because James is obviously here to solve all our problems!

Or at the very least, he’s here to strut about and make loud noises like a peacock.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Both Sides Do It Troll = BSDIT?

Plural: BSDITZ?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

… when you are basically claiming the exact same thing of mens rights groups (that they are misogynists, racists etc, one and all, with a female rights destorying agenda -if they have an interest in mens issues).

If you want to go for a schtick as old and worn out as “I’m not an MRA, but…” false neutrality, at least put some damn effort into it.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

Probably a little ironic defending feminist as not men-hating lesbians with a male oppressing agenda, when you are basically claiming the exact same thing of mens rights groups (that they are misogynists, racists etc, one and all, with a female rights destorying agenda -if they have an interest in mens issues).

Huh! It’s almost like a movement dedicated toward elevating a marginalized group toward equality is conceptually different from a movement dedicated toward stopping that from happening!

defending feminist as not men-hating lesbians

I’m not quite sure I understand what you’re getting at here. Why is being a lesbian bad?

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

Balustrade!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

For that matter, why assume lesbians hate men? Not wanting to have sex with men doesn’t equal hating men.

(Though certainly there are plenty of men who give lesbians reasons to hate them.)

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Where did anyone here claim MRAs are gay?
Both sides are not bigoted. Just yours, troll.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

I noticed that he didn’t actually claim we call MRAs gay. Probably because he knows damn well that we don’t use gay as an insult around here. It’s easy to accuse of hating men because man-hating is ill defined. Anything up to and including not making every man who shows up here the center of our universe can be defined as misandry. Plus, there’s already that preexisting stereotype about feminists, so in theory the accusations put us on the defensive. But saying that we call MRAs gay and mean as an insult, that’s specific and easily refuted. So he avoided it. Which is a tacit admission that both sides are not in fact, the same.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

Their fingers move upon the keyboard and all I hear is FAP FAP FAP.

Just Asking!
Just Asking!
4 years ago

So if feminism is really about equality…….

Where are all the feminists protesting against the routine surgical mutilation of infant boys in the US?

Where are all the feminists demanding the right to be drafted?

Where are all the feminists protesting against the 300 MILLION male soldiers marines seamen ect killed in action in the 20th century while women were safely exempt from the draft?

Where are all the feminists protesting unequal domestic violence law that require the removal or incarceration of the MAN in all incidents of domestic violence…… even when it was a woman hitting a man?

Where are all the feminists protesting the 20:1 male to female incarceration rates…. women getting shorter sentences for the same crimes…. and BETTER conditions in female prisons?

Where are all the feminists protesting unequal family courts where children automatically are taken away from fathers?

Where are all the feminists protesting alimony and child support payments? After all if women can do anything men can they can support their own kids right?

Bina
4 years ago

Probably a little ironic defending feminist as not men-hating lesbians with a male oppressing agenda, when you are basically claiming the exact same thing of mens rights groups (that they are misogynists, racists etc, one and all, with a female rights destorying agenda -if they have an interest in mens issues).

IDK, maybe you missed that. People often do, but I found it kind of cute.

Also, kind of cute that you see the former as bigotry, and not the later. That making a generalisation about one group is cool, and another is not, even though, they are basically mirror image of each other, and at various times both contain individuals that seem like twits and morons.

It’s like a person with a huge blind spot, just living in irony with no self-awareness of it.

Actually, Jimbo, since you’re on about huge blind spots, how about YOURS? Because we have proof that MRAs, MGTOWs, etc. ARE bigots…it’s called THE REST OF THIS SITE. You can check it out anytime you like, but please do so before dropping comments like this again in future, ‘kay?

lightcastle
lightcastle
4 years ago

To go back to a previous meatball discussion, if someone calls you out on using meat when you are using vegetables in anyway, go old-school on them. “Meat” just meant “food” until the 13 or 14 hundreds. You still see this in things like “nutmeat” for the part of the nut you eat.

So just call the damn thing a meatball and claim you are trying to reclaim an old definition.

lightcastle
lightcastle
4 years ago

To go back to a previous meatball discussion, if someone calls you out on using meat when you are using vegetables in anyway, go old-school on them. “Meat” just meant “food” until the 13 or 14 hundreds. You still see this in things like “nutmeat” for the part of the nut you eat.

So just call the damn thing a meatball and claim you are trying to reclaim an old definition.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

I hear an annoying whine again. Did the batteries run out on the bugzappers already? Would we be better off with citronella tiki torches?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7GIYVSsjGPU/TaUxKt9yT4I/AAAAAAAAMUU/fGg-BiS25uc/s1600/brady.jpg

lightcastle
lightcastle
4 years ago

@Just Asking – Have you thought about using Google? Because you can find the feminists you want using Google. (Or Bing, I guess. Honestly, I would use Duck Duck Go because it doesn’t track you the way Google does. But really any modern search engine should suffice.)

So off the top of my head I can answer a couple:

— Considering there is no draft, that’s kind of a moot point. There are feminists who have protested repeatedly for women to be in combat roles in the US. (I’m assuming you meant the US, since I’m sure you know that there are countries with forced military service which includes women, like Norway and Israel.)

— Why would feminists protest alimony and child support? They fought for the right to have to pay alimony and child support if they are the ones with the bigger income, which is a thing that happens all the time.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
4 years ago

Where are all the feminists protesting against the 300 MILLION male soldiers marines seamen ect killed in action in the 20th century while women were safely exempt from the draft?

I don’t understand this question. Maybe it’s the grammar. What exactly is there to protest here? This happened in the 20th century and as lightcastle mentioned, feminists ARE fighting for more women in the military AT PRESENT. How are we supposed to protest deaths that happened decades ago? It’s not going to bring those men back from the dead. And again – this was in the past. What are we supposed to do about it when many of us weren’t even alive at that point in time?

Freemage
Freemage
4 years ago

Gonna address the drive-by C&P troll:

Just Asking!
March 28, 2016 at 9:07 am

So if feminism is really about equality…….

Where are all the feminists protesting against the routine surgical mutilation of infant boys in the US?

Where are all the feminists demanding the right to be drafted?

Where are all the feminists protesting against the 300 MILLION male soldiers marines seamen ect killed in action in the 20th century while women were safely exempt from the draft?

Gonna address these three together. Feminists are not out protesting against every bad thing under the sun. They are, instead, focusing on those issues that affect women. That said, feminists do not support cosmetic male infant circumcision, and would, in fact, generally support efforts to ban it.

The draft is more nuanced. There’s two different common schools of feminist thought:
1: Pacifist feminists generally oppose conscription entirely.
2: Non-pacifist feminists agree that women should be subject to conscription equally.

Note that both of these are positions of equality.

Finally, feminists support the right of women in the military to serve in combat roles. It’s been men who’ve been resisting that change.

Where are all the feminists protesting unequal domestic violence law that require the removal or incarceration of the MAN in all incidents of domestic violence…… even when it was a woman hitting a man?

Care to cite an actual law that does this?

Where are all the feminists protesting the 20:1 male to female incarceration rates…. women getting shorter sentences for the same crimes…. and BETTER conditions in female prisons?

You’ll need to clarify what you’re looking for here. Generally, no, feminists aren’t going to be out there demanding longer sentences for women convicted of theft or what have you. That would be stupid.

However, they also aren’t demanding that men receive longer sentences than women; that’s a product of a racist society that’s decided the best thing to do with a large number of poor young black men is lock them up on the flimsiest pretexts available, so as to ensure that they cannot get out of the poverty trap.

Where are all the feminists protesting unequal family courts where children automatically are taken away from fathers?

They’re back in the 1950s, when this was actually the case. Nowadays, if a man bothers to fight for custody at all, he’s actually more likely than the woman to win, because ‘best interest of the child’ usually factors in financial aspects, and the man is likely to come out of the divorce in better financial shape. However, a shockingly large proportion of men never so much as ask for joint custody (let alone primary or sole custody).

Where are all the feminists protesting alimony and child support payments? After all if women can do anything men can they can support their own kids right?

Again, your ignorance of the law post-1950 is rather appalling. Men can be awarded alimony, and if they do get custody, can seek child support payments as well. The reason that this is comparatively rare is because society pushes women into lower-paying jobs, making it far less likely that a woman is going to have the superior income. As noted above, she’s also more likely to get custody because the man isn’t interested in it.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

@Just Asking

We have plenty of feminists just on this blog who don’t agree with male circumcisions. You should get out of your bubble more. We also have plenty of feminists who criticize the US criminal justice system. You’re arguing against a straw feminist.

It’s usually a good idea to ask what a person believes, rather than telling them what they believe.

As for women’s rights relating to military service, you should know that feminists have been arguing for equal rights in that sphere for a long time. MRAs tend to oppose this, yet they keep whining about it. You can’t have it both ways.

Of course, we can’t be expected to protest imaginary courts and imaginary DV statistics that only exist in the MRA hivemind narrative.

I’m not sure why you’d expect feminists to take the position that women should single handedly support their children financially, with no help from the father. I’m also not sure why you would call that ‘equality’.

It’s also confusing that you expect women to take care of their children with no help from the father, yet you want fathers to gain custody of said children in court. How would that even logically work?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

How are we supposed to protest deaths that happened decades ago? It’s not going to bring those men back from the dead. And again – this was in the past. What are we supposed to do about it when many of us weren’t even alive at that point in time?

http://i.imgur.com/vVb5QCS.png

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
4 years ago

If feminists are so great then how come they aren’t constantly talking about MY pet issue?!?!

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

Those tiki torches are a fire hazard and probably have toxic chemicals in them that get released into the air we breath when they’re burning.

Why can’t we just have our toxic chemicals dumped upon us by planes like they did back in the good old days.

dslucia
dslucia
4 years ago

@Just Asking:

Unless you’re intentionally giving away the fact that you’re here without any intent to have an actual discussion, that’s a really poor nym you’ve chosen for yourself. It’s the cardinal cry of people who are trying to get “gotcha”s over on their ideological opponents.

Also, under the assumption that you are, indeed, trying to say “gotcha, feminsits!”, this is a really bad place to come out with those particular arguments, considering how many of the feminist women around here who –
1. Think circumcision is a problem (maybe? I can’t remember, actually, it’s been a while since I’ve seen that topic come up)
2. Very much agree that women should be allowed in military roles
and
3. Well, I’m gonna need a big fat citation for all the rest of your points, actually.

First of all, I’m not sure I see the point in protesting things like the World Wars and Vietnam, etc. today. All of those things are over and done with, what exactly is going to be accomplished by… I dunno, feminists saying that 300 million women need to be killed in the line of duty? What are you even asking here?

Also, the whole court situation does tend to be a widely-debated topic as well. However, you seem to be saying that the solution is for women to be treated more poorly, rather than improving circumstances for men. How, exactly, is that helpful?

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
4 years ago

Just Asking started out with a couple good points but sadly then devolved into “if feminists are so great why aren’t they protesting the injustices that I hear about on MRA forums (and only in MRA forums)?”

EDIT:: And by good points I mean problems that really do affect men, not the “feminists aren’t pandering to my concerns!” whine.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Wait. Is justasking/jamie/james/Aris really trying to claim that feminists don’t protest war? I’ve protested it. I’m sure others here have too.

There’s a whole group of anti-war feminists
http://www.codepink.org/

What is with this MRA narrative that feminists love when men are sent to war? It just has absolutely no connection to reality. Who are these feminist hawks? I’ve sure never encountered them.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
4 years ago

Who are these feminist hawks? I’ve sure never encountered them.

Neither have MRAs, but when was the last time they let something like reality change their thinking? If the misogynist echo chamber says it, then it must be true! THE ECHO CHAMBER HAS SPOKEN.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Where are all the feminists protesting alimony and child support payments? After all if women can do anything men can they can support their own kids right?

Do me a favour and never become a parent.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
4 years ago

I’m not so sure that JA is coming back. I think he just wanted to write out a “gotcha” and then leave, feeling smug and imagining all us feminists falling over in a tizzy as we realised we’ve been outsmarted by the power of Man Lojik. Our flaws! Our weaknesses! Oh noes, feminism ISN’T about equality like we thought! Who knew all it would take was a passing MRA to shed sunlight on the cobwebs! Ahhhhhhh Noooooooo!!!
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GenJones
GenJones
4 years ago

@ Just Asking

There hasn’t been a draft in nearly 50 years, but feminists had been protesting every draft and heavily involved in the antiwar movement ever since it began with the suffrage movement around the WWI, when the WILPF (Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom), Women Waging Peace, and other antiwar organisations organized events with turnouts in the thousands to protest the policy. So that’s where they all are and always have been.

Investigation into the allegations of bias in family courts concluded it to be a myth. They found that men are given full or joint custody in 70% of all court cases where fathers actively pursued it, the catch is that only 4% of all divorces every proceed to court and only 1.5% complete litigation.

The other 96% of divorce custody arrangements are agreed upon by the parents without a fight or legal third party telling them what to do. In these cases settled outside of court the parents agreed that the mother become the custodial parent 51% percent of the time, which means that fathers get custody almost exactly half the time. So you really have no basis to claim bias.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cathy-meyer/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115.html

As for whining about child support, the average payment is $40-60 per week, which is pretty fatuous and dramatic to compare to “indentured servitude”. It’s also not even half the financial support or hands-on, full-time effort that the child requires, the custodial parent is paying more and doing more unpaid work. Fathers also receive child support when they are the custodial parents, but as they probably discover quickly, single parenthood is not a gravy train.

Don’t create children you have no intention of supporting, and don’t put your sperm into female reproductive organs without taking any precautions and then try to act surprised and walk away like it has nothing to do with you. Yeah, if woman can do anything men can, then it’s fair that MEN can also take some responsibility for their own children.

Men are incarcerated at a higher rate compared to women because the fact is that they commit crime at a higher rate, particularly violent crime. When women commit crime it is usually a misdemeanor or non-violent felony, hence less overcrowded and violent prisons. However, it was feminism that demanded women be held accountable for their own crimes rather than passing the responsibility on to their male guardians. Feminism has also been heavily involved in the call for a reformed and less punitive justice system, including addressing the prison rape issue and forcing legal changes.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
4 years ago

@GenJones

BOOM!! Nicely done.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

I guess Just Asking has never heard that Susan B. Anthony demanded to be arrested “like a man,” with no special privileges attached to her being a woman, back when she was fighting for the right to vote.

Dark Statistic
Dark Statistic
4 years ago

Coming out of lurking just to say that tomato aspic is gross. I feel it’s important to have that on record.