Gamergaters claim credit for Hulk Hogan’s victory over Gawker, recommend suicide to Gawkerites

I’ll echo a few others to say that Gawker’s use of HH’s sex tapes was the height of ick…and that would be true for anyone’s sex tapes / pics / revenge porn.
I don’t know enough about the particulars of the case to say for sure if they “deserved” this judgement (re: the aggrieved being “made whole” vs purely punitive retribution), but hopefully it’ll set a good precedent.

And these guys (GGers)…they’re the worst.

If any of you guys are reading: It’s not cool to be OK with revenge porn for one person / group of people but rage against another’s.

I’m pretty sure there’s a corollary to Rule 34 in that if there’s anything that exists there’s someone who wants there to be porn of it. That being said, I want to call this slash pairing Hogrump.

Actual hogs’ rumps are offended by this comparison. I’m also sure that they smell much better than these two.

I’m still 100% convinced we’ll all be reading about Milo going to jail for major fraud in a few years, based on what I keep reading about his business acumen. I don’t think I’ve seen such a blatantly sleazy, transparently shifty figure in ages.

I’m only surprised it hasn’t happened yet. He really is the poor man’s Drumpf. A wannabe from start to finish, and a never-was the whole time.

These guys practice the worst form of journalism

They aren’t a newspaper, they’re a blog. Nobody, whether they agree with the political leanings of Gawker or not, should be viewing them as a newspaper. People these days really don’t seem to know the difference between news and opinion content.

I should also point out that there’s a lot of turnaround at Gawker media. I don’t think any of the writers that are there now were even around for the Hulk Hogan thing. So it’s especially contemptible that they’re being harassed and told to kill themselves over something they didn’t even have anything to do with.

Most of the people I’ve been around when it comes to this are actually happy about this. Maybe not that Hogan won, but that Gawker lost. I wasn’t happy, mostly because it’s goddamned Hulk Hogan again.

I swear, if Trump nukes the Earth, it’ll be cockroaches, Brett Michaels and Hulk Hogan left alive, I tell ya.

@dslucia:

while also saying that “SJWs” should just go make their own games, and then getting incredibly angry whenever they do because holy fuck, why isn’t this game catering to my straight white maleness)

You are forgetting the unspoken part of that request: the SJW game cannot have any interesting or cool elements in it for it to be a true SJW game. The MC can be nothing more than a word (for example, the word ‘trans’) written in a boring font, and doing nothing more exciting than running about being something other than a cis white male in a Mickey D’s drive-thru. Anything else, like a cool character design or a fantastical setting, is escapism, which is the sole domain of the straight white male, and therefore belongs to him alone. The game with a trans peep running around doing cool things while being trans is theft, and must be stamped out.

Or so it seems to me, anyway. Ymmv.

Can’t say I share in the Gamergators’ jubilation at this verdict. This could have negative implications on the rights of journalists. It’s akin to how I felt about a jury awarding the father of a slain soldier millions of dollars over emotional distress and intrusion upon seclusion when the Westboro Baptist Church picketed the deceased Marine’s funeral. The Supreme Court rightfully protected their free speech rights, and I would hope the same thing happens here. I’m with Gawker on this. I don’t think Gamergators understand the repercussions here.

Can someone explain to me why it is possible to sue Gawker for posting the sex tape, but it is not possible to sue Reddit and 4Chan for sharing hacked nudes and child porn?

Just because Reddit and 4Chan post stuff uploaded by random people shouldn’t mean that they can’t be held accountable and sued for the illegal stuff that goes on there.

And this Milo conman is a joke! He hasn’t been paying the journalists that wrote for his magazine. But he has the nerves to talk about ethics in journalism?

I suggest that a syndrome/effect should be called after him, the Milo syndrome or effect. It’s definition/s should be:

a) When you hysterically talk about ethics to disguise your own unethical behaviour

b) When your actions in real life are the opposite of what you portray on social media

c) when you (and your followers) fully know that you are a conman, but you (and them) keep insisting that you are not

@ miss andry

The Supreme Court rightfully protected their free speech rights

I was less happy about that decision. I’m very much an advocate of free speech; but I do think that the “time, manner and place” qualification should have applied there.

WBC’s actions aren’t about speech; it’s plain old harrassment.

They can yell their opinions from the rooftops for all I care; but to do so at an actual funeral is despicable.

It’s like how I’m content that anti choice advocates can say anything they want, but not at people attending a clinic.

@ kafkanomore

but it is not possible to sue Reddit and 4Chan for sharing hacked nudes and child porn?

It probably would be possible; but only the victims have the standing to do so.

The victims of hacking would probably have a cause of action under various laws regarding confidentiality and possibly even copyright.

Child porn victims would have these causes and possibly others (there are actions based on emotional distress that amounts to actual mental harm). It’s these victims that I’m especially concerned about (not dismissing the experiences of hacked celebrities, but less of a priority). I recently took some deprived kids around our local court. The judges and the police were kind enough to talk to them. They’d just been dealing with some child porn offences.

Both the particular judge and the officer in the case were very hardened and experienced, but they both said that the most horrible aspect of these cases was recognising the same children ‘growing up’ in the photos from being babies to young teens. These kids endure a decade or more of abuse just to feed a market (and who knows what life they face after they’re ‘too old’ to have value)

@ miss andry

the WBC was actually obeying all the legal restrictions.

Yeah. Of course they have a disproportionate amount of lawyer in their ranks. There may even be so within in the theory they deliberately try to provoke a violent response on order to be able to use for damages. Personally though I think it’s just the thrill of hate; akin to the most common MRA motivations.

I’m all for people being allowed to say what they want. The flip side of that though is people have a right not to listen. That can be hard to do when you’re ‘pinned down’ somewhere, as at a funeral (or a clinic).

That’s the problem with harassment. It can be subtle. You don’t necessarily have to be screaming in someone’s ear just to get the desired affect. Just knowing the message will get through can be enough. Bit like how people can block Tweets or stay away from websites where people express hatred, but that doesn’t make the underlying hate go away, and just knowing it’s out there can still have an effect.

ETA: I think there’s also a defence between the personal and the general. So, unpleasant as I may find the views, people may be allowed to say “all soldiers deserve to die” or even “all female video game producers” but you cross a line when you single out and identify a particular individual, even though they would be part of that larger group.

OT but should you decide to do another episode of Misogyny Theater I documented some interesting rants from Stefan Molyneux.

In case anyone is interested, Bubba The Love Sponge (nee Todd Clem) was/is a DJ/radio personality who got his start in the Tampa Bay area. His shtick is a rip off of Howard Stern, only more trashy and obnoxious. He was infamous in this area for being a “starf*cker” of sorts, always trying to weasel his way into the lives of local celebrities. He spent many years chasing after, then bragging about, his friendship with Hulk Hogan. He is also well known for getting overly dramatic and plotting revenge over perceived hurts to his feefees (the war of words between him and a former protege went on for what seemed like years). There are many people in the area who think the sex tape situation was a set up by him and his wife to damage Hulk’s reputation for some type of slight that Bubba thought had happened.

Come on, guys, even public figures have the right to not have people publicly post videos of them fucking. That’s not journalism. Unless you think JLaw’s nudes were also something the public has a right to know about?

The “being a public figure means you cede all right to privacy” argument seems pretty skeevy to me.