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The MRAs who scream the loudest about “male tears” t-shirts revel in “crying woman” memes

Wait, what? From AVFM's Facebook page.
Wait, what? From AVFM’s Facebook page.

When feminist author Jessica Valenti posted a picture of herself wearing an “I bathe in male tears” sweatshirt, Men’s Rights activists reacted as though she had literally called for the violent murder of every man on planet earth.

Though Valenti made clear the sentiment on the shirt was aimed at the obnoxious Men’s Rights types who routinely flood the comments on her articles, MRAs chose to believe that she was mocking homeless men, battered men, male suicide victims, and other men suffering very real pain.

A Voice for Men led the charge, with AVFM’s “social media director” Andrea “JudgyBitch” Hardie, one of Valenti’s most persistent and dishonest harassers, proclaiming that Valenti “hates all men and thinks their pain is funny, no matter what the source of it,” an assertion that is as demonstrably false as a flat earther’s contention that gravity doesn’t exist.

Valenti wasn’t the only “ironic misandrist” vilified by MRAs at AVFM and elsewhere; some were so upset by the trope they launched a campaign to try to convince the world that “male tears” was slang for semen.

I bring all this up because, as I perused the meme repository on A Voice for Men’s Facebook page recently, in preparation for the Memeday celebrations here on WHTM today, I noticed a couple newly posted memes that centered on female tears.

And it struck me how many of the very same Men’s Rights Activists who’ve thrown the biggest tantrums over the ironic misandry of the “male tears” trope love to joke about female and/or feminist tears.  

I decided to scroll back through the AVFM archives to see how many more I could find. The short answer: a lot, many of them not only reveling in (imaginary) female tears but taking a certain pleasure in the notion that their own antifeminist activism was causing them. I had originally planned to go through the archives of several other antifeminist Facebook pages, but I found so many on AVFM’s Facebook page I didn’t bother. All but one of the memes below come from AVFM’s Facebook page or from Hardie’s JudgyBitch site.

Let’s start with AVFM’s favorite stock image of a crying woman:

avfmcrystupid

avfmcrydictionary

avfmcryface

avfmcrysuff

I censored this one a teensy bit.
I censored this one a teensy bit.

avfmcryradfem

These are all lovely, each in their unique way, but the last one may be my favorite, as it reveals the almost proud ignorance of feminism that underlies so many MRA attacks on feminism. What “radical feminist” magazines is this crying feminist supposed to be subscribing to? Beyond Ms magazine, hardly a bastion of radical feminism these days, I doubt the meme-maker or any of those who’ve passed along this meme could name any feminist magazines at all.

But this crying woman isn’t the only one to make it into MRA memes. There’s this theatrically crying gal — the same one who’s in the meme at the top of the page.

avfmcrypriv

There’s this artfully photographed black and white lady:

avfmcrybw

This cartoon stereotype:

avfmcrycomic

This crying girl:

cryinggirl

crybaby6

And her friends:

feministscy

There are crying celebrities:

crykim

And ordinary women who’ve been turned into memes against their will:

crygreen

Not all of the sad women in MRA memes have literal tears running down their cheeks. Some just look like they’re about to burst into tears.

crazycry

crynothinggood

cryblackman

crystrong

And let’s not forget the image that AVFM’s Andrea Hardie used to append to so many of her Tweets.

tears

What’s striking to me about all these memes, beyond all the tears, is how little any of these memes have to do with any aspect of real-world feminism. Or real-world women, for that matter.

Many of the memes are, of course, little more than meanspirited “nyah-nyahs” aimed at feminists: “I don’t wike it/I’m a feminist” is not what you’d call a sophisticated rebuttal to feminist arguments.

But then again, none of the other memes offer real rebuttals either, largely because the feminism they attack is made almost entirely of straw. Neither feminists, nor women in general, have ever demanded “total control over men.” Women aren’t buying pearl necklaces with child support money. Virtually all of the “privileges” or “special treatment” that MRAs accuse feminists of demanding aren’t either, and in many cases apply equally to men. Virtually the only obligation that men have and women don’t is that men have to sign a largely meaningless registration card for a non-existent and politically impossible draft.

And of course there is no such thing as french-fry rape.

Cry harder, MRAs.

EDIT: Added the link to Hardie’s comment on Valenti.

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GrouchyTaco
GrouchyTaco
5 years ago

The level of fail with their memes is cringeworthy. MRAs really do shoot themselves in the foot with their misogyny. Who can take them seriously at this point except for men/woman who hate women?

Jamesworkshop
Jamesworkshop
5 years ago

http://i2.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cryblackman.jpg?resize=600%2C399

As opposed to their own (mra) version

I saw a black man once in a movie…white men are now cuckolded forever…..waaaaaaaaaa

http://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/avfmcrybw.jpg?resize=600%2C600

If women being treated equally with men, is special treatment, then aren’t you really copping to the fact that men are given special treatment already.

Bina
5 years ago

14,000 Facebook likes? Means either thousands of stupid people, or an awful lot of hate-readers secretly monitoring your page for Teh Stoopid (and memes to tear apart so they can hear YOU cry.)

Cry harder indeed, wankers.

A Space Alpaca
A Space Alpaca
5 years ago

I feel so bad for that red head on the phone, there’s a line of cops in the background, something terrible quite likely just happened, and MRAs do this with her picture.

ScarlettAthena
ScarlettAthena
5 years ago

I still don’t get what they mean when they say women want the same rights as men without the obligations. Is that just about the draft?

And now I don’t get what the “strong and independent” one means. What “traditional roles” don’t men want to fulfill? Is that woman supposed to be single and childless? She looks like she’s got a headache from dealing with some asshat at work. Is she supposed to want to get married and her boyfriend broke up with her? Is she supposed to be divorced and her jerk ex won’t pay any part of child support and/or help out with the kids?

BTW, do “women’s studies” still exist? I’m a college professor and the trend has been to call this program “gender studies” and it covers a whole host of issues. In a lot of places it isn’t a BA, it’s a minor which means that people study something else in addition to this. And, anyway, in the US, you have a host of “core courses” or whatever the institution calls them.

Kit Fowley
Kit Fowley
5 years ago

How are members of the single most privileged, protected, and pampered demographic in human history meant to maintain a victim complex?

The answer is they make up conspiracy theories about radical feminism or cultural Marxism or the liberal media or some other bullshit. Wait, were they talking about women?!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

My favourite donkey sanctuary has (as of just now) 260,156 Facebook likes; and the donkeys don’t even do podcasts.

Bina
5 years ago

If women being treated equally with men, is special treatment, then aren’t you really copping to the fact that men are given special treatment already.

And moreover, isn’t it making THEM the weaker sex? I mean, just listen to how they whine whenever women get even a tiny step closer to actual equality…how spoiled and pampered can a grown man get?

A Space Alpaca
A Space Alpaca
5 years ago

@Alan, judging by the kickstarter response a few years back, even potato salad has more fans and financial supporters than AVfM

Tragedy of the Commas
Tragedy of the Commas
5 years ago

“Special treatment doesn’t help weak people – it creates them”, so say the men who demand special treatment just for being men and existing. So say entitled, self-pitying nice guys. So say people who only care about “homeless men, battered men, male suicide victims, and other men suffering very real pain” when rabidly hating feminists.

And they really need to stop pretending that they only hate feminists, women with dyed hair, women with piercings and/or tattoos, fat women, and white women (it’s almost always white women in these memes). As has been well documented on this site, they hate all women. They aren’t fooling anyone except the ignorant or willfully blind.

If women being treated equally with men, is special treatment, then aren’t you really copping to the fact that men are given special treatment already.

Pfft, that’s only true if you care about “logic” and “the implications of what you’re saying”. Such things are for lesser men! Trump 2016!

QuantumInc
QuantumInc
5 years ago

I wonder how often people encounter women who are strong willed and abrasive in some manner and just assume that the words coming from that woman represents feminist ideology as a whole, regardless of whether that woman actually calls herself or what she is saying “feminist”. I’ve certainly seen youtube videos where the title claims that the woman is a stupid feminist, and while there is a woman who is brash, foolish and obnoxious she never does or says anything even remotely connected to feminism. I guess if you already have a negative view of what you call “feminism” it becomes self reinforcing. Every time a strong willed woman embarrasses herself in any way they think of feminism. Though admittedly a demure, submissive, and passive woman is less likely to embarrass herself; i.e. she doesn’t attract negative attention because she doesn’t attract ANY attention.

Of course there is the irony of the “A black man spoke to me!” meme and how often the manosphere overlaps with white supremacy. They both seem to assume, atleast subconsciously, that equality between different groups is impossible; thus when the ‘other’ demands equality what they must REALLY want is superiority.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

I actually received child support until I was… I want to say 21? Because I was a dependent student. The only difference was that I was an adult at 18, so at that point Dad started sending me the money directly, rather than giving it to my custodial parent.

This would probably confuse the child support hating wing of the MRM, whose members can’t seem to understand that child support is actually about supporting your children. It’s not a get-rich-quick scheme orchestrated by your money-grubbing bitch harpy ex-wife.

Chayanov
Chayanov
5 years ago

The Minnesota Renaissance Festival has 129,345 likes on Facebook.

Cry harder, MRAs.

TiredTexan
TiredTexan
5 years ago

This is similar to how MRAs howled with rage when women dared to criticize an EU’s scientist’s shirt that had nudes all over it (worn on public television during a satellite launch), but constantly demand that women who’ve been doxed, threatened with torture, rape and murder (of themselves and their families), grow a backbone and stop being such whiney babies because the internet is a tough place.

Making fun of men’s tears shows how hateful, cruel, spiteful and priviledged feminists are, but making fun of women’s tears is fair and warranted.

For them, right and wrong is solely dependent on whose ox is being gored.

Same logic as Trump supporters.

Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur
5 years ago

MRA’s don’t have a real backbone at all… I mean, if all it takes for you to have a meltdown is someone making a joke about how stupid hyper-masculinity is (because it is really stupid), or if someone cracks a dick joke regarding your muscle car, then it’s clearly you, Mr. ManlyManMRA, who has the problem.

But I guess you just have to be so stupid and self-absorbed to not see it that way.

guest
guest
5 years ago

I was going to post this last time the subject came up, but I’m so, so tired of ‘men have it so rough, men have to work in the miiiiiiiines….’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_brow_women

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

Sorry, fedoraboys, we’re not crying.

We’re laughing at you.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
5 years ago

(Look at them, trying so hard! Who has the heart to tell them that repeating something over and over again does not increase its truth value?)

Scaly Llama
Scaly Llama
5 years ago

Re: the draft

They seem to get so hung up on that in the US. I personally think it should be abolished anyway – even having it there in name only is ridiculous.

We don’t even have that in Australia. Oh, we did once – for the Vietnam war. But it’s gone now. Military service in Australia is entirely voluntary. The menzers here have to go on about “social expectations” and “women don’t go into combat roles”.

The voter enrollment card I sign is identical to that which any man would sign and confers the same right – one vote.

dreemr
dreemr
5 years ago

I was wondering what was happening with the, uh, “gentlemen” over at the increasingly irrelevant AVfM. Lately there’s been so much more pressing racism and violent rhetoric cropping up on the “alt right” and Trump buddies that it has nudged Paul Elam & Friends out of the dubious limelight.

@Tragedy of the Commas – I think the reason MRAs and suchlike focus on white women in particular is because as much as they don’t believe women are people, they truly don’t believe any women of color are human. Also, I believe most of these bros are white themselves? And more than a little bit racist. We’ve seen the overlap so often.

Hugg eyes
Hugg eyes
5 years ago

Oh come on MRA’s it was a joke quit being so poliicicaly

Tragedy of the Commas
Tragedy of the Commas
5 years ago

@ dreemr

Makes sense. I agree.

@ Lady Mondegreen

I feel like Jon Stewart’s famous “learning curves are for p***ies” line is relevant here.

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

@Texans: It wasn’t nudes, but it was a dumb shirt all the same. Sheesh, if the guy had to pick a pinup-patterned fabric something with a bunch of vintage pulp covers of space babes would’ve at least felt more fitting to the setting. (Better yet, vintage pulp covers with retro spaceships would’ve avoided the whole flap in the first place.)

lkeke35
lkeke35
5 years ago

I still don’t get how they rail against child support. WTF!

THOSE ARE YOUR OWN KIDS, FOOL!

They can’t just opt out of taking care of their own kids, just because they dislike the momma. At the very least, it would behoove them to see the children get, you know, food and shelter, and not live like vagabonds.

And I still can’t figure out whether or not they want women to work or not. On the one hand, women are supposed to be at home taking care of their kids, but if , because of the three Ds, some man left them, how are they supposed to support the children?

But then women get vilified for going to work and taking jobs away from men. (Which entirely excludes the fact that WoC, didn’t have any choice but to work, because their husbands weren’t allowed to make enough money to support a family.)
MRAs answer to women working, is for women to find a man to take care of them, (which also excludes those women who already have a man, who isn’t making enough money for them both, or hell, let’s just for the sake of argument, include women who don’t want men.)

So their argument seems to be that when women are dependent on a man for food and shelter, she’s a gold digger, but when she isn’t she’s vilified as a ho!
Am I getting this straight?

Okay now my head hurts…I’m gonna need some brain bleach. Does anyone have any Pygmy goat or hedgehog videos/gifs?

lkeke35
lkeke35
5 years ago

Dreemr:
Yeah, I’m not sure they are aware of the existence of WoC. But then they’re not aware of a lot of things. They seem to live in a giant plastic hamster bubble of fear.

Nobody Special
Nobody Special
5 years ago

Maybe it’s my imagination but in the crying kids picture the first and last kids seem to be boys.

Jamesworkshop
Jamesworkshop
5 years ago

@Bina

And moreover, isn’t it making THEM the weaker sex?

Lord Elrond “Men? Men are weak.”

http://49.media.tumblr.com/f52d0f1ad67fdb9096debbe3019568bc/tumblr_mxeysqedm21qh613ao1_250.gif

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Judging from the output from the manosphere that I’ve seen for a few years now, this is new, newsworthy news:

Women have demanded and received special treatment.

Now men are realizing that this is wrong.

Women are just about to–any moment now!–receive some really, really terrible comeuppance.

Wrong on all counts, manosphere!

But you keep shoveling that shit.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

My favourite donkey sanctuary has (as of just now) 260,156 Facebook likes; and the donkeys don’t even do podcasts.

Tsk. It’s not fair to compare donkeys with the manosphere.

One bunch is good-looking, smart, helpful, calm, commonsensical, and confident.

The other bunch is the manosphere.

Of course the donkeys will get more likes!

But won’t someone think of the group of awful, awful, unkempt, unwashed, proudly ignorant, woman-hating, hectoring, lying, self-hating group of jerks (who want you to hate yourself too) that make up the manosphere and “like” them too?!

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Kit Fowley

How are members of the single most privileged, protected, and pampered demographic in human history meant to maintain a victim complex?

The answer is they make up conspiracy theories about radical feminism or cultural Marxism or the liberal media or some other bullshit. Wait, were they talking about women?!

Ha, ha!

Bina
5 years ago

Look what else has more likes than AVFMorons:

Cat headbutts
Community
20,033 like this

Cat headbutts. Popular for a REASON, manurospherians!

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

@lkeke35

And I still can’t figure out whether or not they want women to work or not. On the one hand, women are supposed to be at home taking care of their kids, but if , because of the three Ds, some man left them, how are they supposed to support the children?

I wondered this for a long time too. I think what they really want is for women and children to not need money to live. Anything short of that is misandry.

Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin briefly known as Nady
Slutty Miss Havisham Penguin briefly known as Nady
5 years ago

I love the fact that feminists look into the sources but the MRAs are just like ‘Na NA! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”
Its like they can’t practise the logic that they preach?!

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
5 years ago

I’m baffled by the the “BA in Women’s Studies” one. What is the relevance to the picture supposed to be? If she was crying coming out of a job interview, one could at least follow the line of “thought,” even if it’s a stupid one. (MRA types are always weirdly outraged at the mere possibility of studying a demographic group other than their own.) But this one is just sort of, slap together a random “crying woman” picture with a random buzzword.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@lkeke35, @Viscaria

I think what they really want is for women and children to not need money to live. Anything short of that is misandry.

What they want is for women and children to have no needs. Period.

And take care of the manospherians’ needs 24/7.

Because manospherians can’t handle life. Life is challenging. They’re not up to it. And they’re not up to getting help. That, in a nutshell, is why they’re manospherians.

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

Aside on the inappropriate NASA shirt a moment: I wonder if it was an Alexander Henry pattern? And what would the MRA reaction be if a man (or woman) had worn a shirt made from THIS A. Henry cloth?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h8DqAgG380U/Uc5y67sgTpI/AAAAAAAAALw/_haQRmjRhvI/s1600/photo+2.JPG

[Shrieks of misandry if it’d been a woman, flat-out gay panic if a guy, I figure.]

magnesium
magnesium
5 years ago

Is 14,000 Facebook likes a lot for an internet community? Cake Wrecks’ (a delightful blog of bad looking cakes) Facebook has over 400,000. A Facebook page for a theme park that existed near my childhood city that closed when I was a kid has 70,000 likes. A little known art site’s Facebook I follow has over 25,000. Gotta say, 14,000 is not very impressive.

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

Someone said cat headbutts?

http://i.imgur.com/vaAF4Mr.gif

comment image

http://i.imgur.com/wBfOn.gif

Ok, that last one was not a headbutt, just cute :3

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Because manospherians can’t handle life. Life is challenging. They’re not up to it. And they’re not up to getting help. That, in a nutshell, is why they’re manospherians.

I forgot to mention that they also blame and hate others for their own inadequacies.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

What “radical feminist” magazines is this crying feminist supposed to be subscribing to? Beyond Ms magazine, hardly a bastion of radical feminism these days, I doubt the meme-maker or any of those who’ve passed along this meme could name any feminist magazines at all.

Given the billion times I’ve dealt with some MRA or MRA-like individuals that involved them name-dropping Andrea Dworkin, one time as a journalist (which I don’t think she was), I’d believe that without a second thought.

Chiomara
Chiomara
5 years ago

They seem to get so hung up on that in the US. I personally think it should be abolished anyway – even having it there in name only is ridiculous.

Exactly. Their question shouldnt be “why don’t you fight for women to be drafted, feminists?” it should be ” why are men drafted, government?”. Maybe this major point of them is what makes it more obvious that they don’t fight for men having more rights, they fight for women to have less. That’s what their movements are about, and they know it.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@luzbelitx
The cats are adorbs.

The kitten who head butts the camera is so bold and brave!

Kale
5 years ago

Ive had men tell me bullshit about “fake victims” when I was literally talking about actual rape. No one is a real victim in their mind except white cishet alphas who are being asked to, like, not rape people. Because “weak people” exist to be preyed upon in their Bully worldview.

Tessa
Tessa
5 years ago

OK, I was looking at the A Voice For Men logo in the title picture, and is it just me, or does it seem like the two red parts that make the V into an “M” supposed to be legs, and the “V” is supposed to be a penis? I can’t really unsee it now.

Why won’t they accept I’m not like those radical feminists! I only buy and read their magazines, listen to their speeches, repeat their lies, blindly defend them when I know they’re wrong and do absolutely nothing to oppose them!

Would anybody actually say they “repeat lies” or “blindly defend” anything? I don’t think that crying woman really said those things!

Strong and independent… …Just found out that men no longer want to fulfull their traditional roles either.

Because yeah, feminism is aaaallll about maintaining traditional gender roles. I’m always amazed at their lack of any knowledge about feminism.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
5 years ago
katz
5 years ago

Tsk. It’s not fair to compare donkeys with the manosphere.

They both produce manure.

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
5 years ago

I need more cat headbonks.

Fortunately, there is a cat here ready and willing to provide. When she isn’t barfing on the carpet because reasons, anyway.

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
5 years ago

@katz

Donkey manure, however, makes excellent fertilizer. Manosphere shit, OTOH, does nothing except lie there, get more toxic, and stink up the place.

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