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Milo’s fans descend on my Twitter mentions with their #NotYourShields on full power

Milo Yiannopoulos having a vidion of Donald Trump descend from heaven
Milo Yiannopoulos having a vision of Donald Trump

So yesterday, I wrote a post about Trump supporters who are talking about bringing guns to rallies and polling places — and some who are even talking about starting up what would amount to an unofficial Trump militia.

I illustrated the post with a striking photo (see it here) of right-wing “journalist” Milo Yiannopoulos and a friend brandishing guns while holding a Trump banner. Given Milo’s unctuous and theatrical support of Trump — he calls the Orange One “daddy,” as in “Daddy is going to win and then he’s going to make America great again and there’s nothing any of you can do about it” — I thought the pic was apropos. But aside from the caption to the picture, there were zero other mentions of Milo in my post.

It didn’t take long for Milo — apparently quite attentive to all news involving him — to learn about my post, and after he mentioned it in a tweet, Milo’s unofficial Twitter militia descended upon my Twitter mentions.  (I also got a request to take the photo down from the apparent copyright holder, DJ Pop A Titty Out; I removed the picture, and popped a titty out for good measure.)

Here is some of what Milo’s fans had to say.

 

milofangayjurno

milofanboyfriendblack

milofanscurd

milofanblondemilofanmatgaynazis

 

You may find yourself wondering — as I did, for a moment — what on earth Milo’s sexual orientation (or the color of his boyfriend’s skin) has to do with my post. The answer, of course, is nothing. The picture I (briefly) used to illustrate my post depicted Milo simultaneously holding a gun and a Trump banner, not marching in a pride parade or having sex with a man or any other stereotypically gay activities.

But Milo’s fans, or at least a chunk of them, apparently feel that by mentioning Milo’s gayness they have, as if by some magical incantation, rendered any criticism of him moot. They evidently think that — according to the official SJW rules, spelled out in the Official SJW Handbook — any and all criticism of particular gay people, at least by SJWs, is intrinsically homophobic, and strictly forbidden.

Indeed, one of Milo’s fans went right for the H-word:

milofan

It’s no coincidence that the person making this accusation is a #GamerGater — or at least a pretty fervent defender of #GamerGate — because this is one of that, er, consumer movement’s standard rhetorical ploys. #GamerGaters often attack so-called SJWs for using women, people of color, LGBT folks and others who suffer from some degree of discrimination as “shields” for their own allegedly evil beliefs.

Obviously, this does happen sometimes. But it’s #GamerGaters, not progressives, who are the all-time champions when it comes to using this tactic, which they do so opportunistically and cynically it can take your breath away. GamerGate’s #NotYouShield hashtag may well be the most inadvertently ironic thing ever conceived by a human being.

When they’re not trotting out female #GamerGaters to “prove” that #GamerGate can’t be misogynistic — thus using these women, yes, as shields — they’re trying to convince critics of Milo that they’re evil homophobes for criticizing his noxious beliefs.

In this case, Milo’s defenders are also trying to use Milo’s gayness to “prove” that he couldn’t possibly be the “gay nazi” they accuse me of calling him.

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Apparently MatanJeda doesn’t know that Ernst Röhm, the literal boss of the literal Brownshirts in literal Hitler’s literal Germany — was in fact gay. Or that having interracial sex does not magically render someone not a racist. (White slaveowners used to routinely rape slave women, for gods sake; that didn’t somehow make them paragons of racial tolerance.)

And never mind that I never called Milo a “gay nazi” — though, in response to MatanJada’s pestering, I reminded him and anyone else who was listening that Milo, FWIW, used to call himself “Milo Wagner” and sometimes wore a German Iron Cross.

I’m not sure why I bothered, though. Trying to discuss anything with these people is utterly pointless, what with the endless straw-manning and their utter unwillingness to take in any new information. One of Milo’s militiamen — note to the literal-minded: I’m using this term figuratively — accused me of lying in my post yesterday. I asked him for examples of these lies. This is what ensued.

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To paraphrase George Orwell: if you want a picture of the future, imagine a head banging on a desk — forever.

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Luzbelitx
4 years ago

I think the “marginalized people can do no wrong” straw SJW comes from an unintelligible mix of two common misunderstandings among bigots:

1. “Criticizing a person from marginalized groups is bigotry!”

This is not only the “score game” mentality, in which being marginalized or “PC” towards the “scores” points, but also because, as GG proved once and again, bigots usually can’t tell the difference (or won’t bother, or know it and pretend they don’t ) between bigoted abuse and legitimate criticism.

In fact, I don’t think many of them get past the idea that any criticism of an individual is an ad hominem.

We’ve seen plenty of trolls here -and elsewhere- saying X person can’t say something sexist because they “aren’t” sexist. They try to disprove criticism by protecting the person from being defined as a bigot, and they understand any criticism as being an attack on,the person.

The idea that a person can be ok, or even admired, and still criticized, is alien to them.

And 2. “There’s no discrimination against privileged groups, according to SJWs, so it must mean people from marginalized groups cannot ever be bigoted!”

Of course, they don’t ever consider, or care, that there might be more than one marginalized group, or that a person can belong to several marginalized groups, even while also belonging to one or many privileged groups.

This level of complexity is too much for their stereotypes us vs them mentality.

So all they get from these two is “gay people can’t be criticized because that’s homophobic, and also gay people can’t discriminate because gay! Checkmate, esjay doublius!”

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

It reinforce my hypothesis they don’t retort to convince anyone, but to increase their social status within their group of bigeot. So they don’t really care how stupid it look for outsider ; they already decided that outsiders did not really exist for them.

@Kat :

Pour réaliser cette recette de crêpe Suzette, commencer par préparer tous les ingrédients.
2 Dans une poêle (de préférence en cuivre)…
3 …verser le sucre en poudre. Puis la placer sur feu modéré.
4 Presser le jus des oranges et des citrons à l’aide d’un presse-agrume.
5 Au bout de quelques minutes le sucre se met à fondre et à se transformer en caramel.
6 Ajouter le jus d’orange de façon à décuire le caramel et pour qu’il se dissolve dans le jus d’orange.
7 Ramener la préparation à ébullition pour faire fondre le caramel en totalité.
8 Ajouter enfin le jus de citron.
9 Laisser réduire quelques minutes.
10 Ajouter le beurre coupé en morceaux.
11 Mélanger soigneusement avec une spatule Exoglass de façon à bien incorporer le beurre.
12 Ajouter le Grand-Marnier, porter à ébullition, puis flamber en approchant une allumette au bord de la poêle.
13 Disposer une crêpe au centre de la poêle de manière à bien l’imprégner de sauce Suzette.
14 Retourner délicatement la crêpe afin d’imprégner la seconde face.
15 Plier la crêpe en deux.
16 Replier la crêpe en deux pour obtenir une crêpe pliée en quatre (en forme de triangle). Faire de même avec les autres crêpes. Veiller à garder les crêpes déjà préparées, dans un coin de la poêle, ainsi elles resteront dans le jus au chaud !
17 Dresser à l’assiette. Vous pouvez agrémenter la crêpe Suzette de quelques zestes d’orange confite.

It don’t seem too annoying indeed. Maybe having a bunch of french words is an irritation for non french speaker ?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

That’s a very interesting analysis, Luzbelitx.

Your point 1 also touches on another large part of #GG vocabulary: the fact that they seem to regard “criticism” and “ad hominem” as simply being the first-person / third-person declensions of the same word.

How objective of them.

numerobis
numerobis
4 years ago

Now I want crepes. But not orange ones — I’ll just drown mine in maple syrup.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

*conjugation, not declension.

I can’t linguistics.

Inkswitch
Inkswitch
4 years ago

he calls the Orange One “daddy,”

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Pietro_McM
Pietro_McM
4 years ago

@Playonwords

And Hermann Goering was a gay drug addict, does that excuse Hitler and the brownshirts?

Eh, no.

Göring was also, a fearless WW1 flying ace, bon viveur and art thief. None of that excuses him, Hitler, or the brownshirts. That’s just history for you.

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

@EJ

I remember a post from David about Zoe Quinn, in which #GGrrrrs were asking what “made her above criticism” because people thought harassment was ugly and should stop.

I think above everything, and beyond any rationalization, they’re just a bunch of angry assholes.

Bina
4 years ago

What is it about right-wing populist narcissists and fake blond floppy hair? There’s Trump and Yiannopoulos over in the US, over here we’ve got Geert Wilders.

Is it a Thatcher thing?

Guffaw.

I get the impression that Der Drumpf’s hair would be completely white if he didn’t spray-tan it to match his orange skin. I just pity whoever has to see him naked during his salon appointments.

ETA: Come to think of it, what is it with these racists and their obsession with tans?

Chiomara
Chiomara
4 years ago

he calls the Orange One “daddy,” as in “Daddy is going to win and then he’s going to make America great again and there’s nothing any of you can do about it”


Wow, and they say male feminists are “cucks” and “betas”? That women seek ” big daddy government” to be their “alphas”?
That sounds incredibly like gay domination porn or yaoi (not that I watch that or anything). How alpha of Milo.

lamuella
lamuella
4 years ago

There’s something amusing about them insulting anyone for being a furry when they’ve just registered the domain and twitter name lionsoftrump. Or to add the spaces back in… Lion Soft Rump.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Fascist and “lite Fascist” movements usually take on specific cultural forms depending on the country, so the degree of intolerance for LGBT people and other minorities will vary (e.g., Benito Mussolini wasn’t really into anti-Semitism). So it’s okay for Milo to be gay and have gay sex as long as he doesn’t criticize intolerance or allow his identity as a gay man to inform his political views.

guest
guest
4 years ago

Re right-wing hair dudes–don’t forget about Boris:

http://beurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Boris-Johnson.jpg

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
4 years ago

“This is a picture of a gay journalist…”

Wait. I thought it was a picture of Milo. Did a journalist photobomb it?

Yutolia
Yutolia
4 years ago

I want crêpes now too. But neither orange nor maple syrup (although those are awesome too). Gimme some with sour cream and cherries!!! Or, as I would have ordered in Saint Petersburg, блины со сметанами и вишнами.

*And then she realizes just how long it’s been by the sheer force of how many words she still knows how to say but has completely forgotten how to spell :))

Kyl a
Kyl a
4 years ago

When is Milo going to ditch that bleached ’80’s hairdo? That’s all I want to know.

Michael P
Michael P
4 years ago

“Just because someone’s a member of a minority doesn’t mean they’re not a nasty, small-minded little jerk.” – Sam Vimes

Robert
Robert
4 years ago

I have enough experience as a gay man to know that a white gay man attracted to MoC is not necessarily not-racist. Such men express their racist views in non-standard ways.

The analysis of the rhetorical claptrap being peddled by the Milosophers is spot on. They do seem to think that communicating beliefs and viewpoints is a type of competition, and they’re using words in ways that are supposed to defeat enemies. Reminds me of the Sovereign Citizens, who treat the legal system as a form of ritual magic.

Pietro_McM
Pietro_McM
4 years ago

@guest

[i]Re right-wing hair dudes–don’t forget about Boris:[/i]

Indeed.

Another narcissistic UK Tory MP:

Michael fabricant

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo252/Pursuivant/Michael-Fabricant_0_zpsdwqsljke.jpg

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
4 years ago

I don’t know what makes for a good daddy, but I’m fairly confident Milo has shit taste in them.

(Is it homophobic for a het guy to criticize a gay guy’s taste in other guys?)

Freddymurray
Freddymurray
4 years ago

I just wanna add that one does not even have to be marginalized to apply for this line of thinking.

For instance, a bully or an abuser who is a bullying/abuse victim themselves and feels that this somehow justifies taking their anger out on others.

Then again we’re talking about people projecting this logic onto others rather than themselves, so this might not be the same thing.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

There were actually a few openly pro-gay Neo-Nazi groups in the US, but the “mainstream” Neo-Nazi movement never accepted them.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Has anyone ever read Blinded by the Right by David Brock? It’s quite a fascinating insider look at the right wing machine. He used to be part of it but converted to progressivism later. He’s also gay. He wrote a lot about how it’s common for right wing movers and shakers to be gay. The straight members of the community mostly didn’t care. The expectation was just that it wasn’t brought up in the media. They aren’t personally socially conservative for the most part, they just need the bigot base of the GOP placated.

I recommend it to anyone interested in this subject. It’s over a decade old so it can probably be obtained inexpensively.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
4 years ago

Daddy is going to win and then he’s going to make America great again and there’s nothing any of you can do about it

http://i.imgur.com/R3LUrvi.gif

(Is it homophobic for a het guy to criticize a gay guy’s taste in other guys?)

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jcn.gif

Because Donald Drumpf is no one’s daddy ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER ever ever ever

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

“Just because someone’s a member of a minority doesn’t mean they’re not a nasty, small-minded little jerk.” – Sam Vimes

http://i.giphy.com/ruw1bRYN0IXNS.gif

The illimitable wisdom of Vimes.

(His Boots Theory is my favorite.)

tedthefed
tedthefed
4 years ago

The funny thing about this is that their criticism rests on an axiom that criticizing gay people for any reason is homophobic…. an axiom that they almost certainly don’t believe themselves. Why on earth would you be mad about someone failing to live up to a standard that YOU DON’T EVEN LIKE?

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
4 years ago

Has anyone ever read Blinded by the Right by David Brock? It’s quite a fascinating insider look at the right wing machine. He used to be part of it but converted to progressivism later. He’s also gay. He wrote a lot about how it’s common for right wing movers and shakers to be gay. The straight members of the community mostly didn’t care. The expectation was just that it wasn’t brought up in the media. They aren’t personally socially conservative for the most part, they just need the bigot base of the GOP placated.

I’m familiar, but never got to read it – but I’m not surprised.

Their hesitancy to accept Log Cabin Republicans as their own felt more like it was due to appealing to their constituency than because of holding homophobic sentiments themselves.

Of course that, as well as appealing to racist assholes for so many years, is what lead to Trump being the most popular presidential candidate for that party. I’m sure many of them regret it but, well, it’s too late now and their chickens are coming home to roost…

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

Well then allow me to use my full authority as another gay man to say Milo Yiannopoulos is an idiot and a scumbag.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Ohlmann

Merci pour la recette de crêpes suzette! Il semble délicieux–et la recette est pas du tout ennuyeux.

Thank you for the recipe for crepes suzette! It looks delicious–and the recipe is not at all annoying.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Commenters here have some very interesting remarks on the psychology and sociology of the MiloFans.

I believe that for most of them, their ignorance is stubbornly willful. All they’d have to do is read another one of David’s columns about Milo to discover the following:

1. David knows that Milo is gay. In fact, Milo makes sure that anyone who reads his “writing” knows this.
2. With full knowledge of number 1, David criticizes Milo for his sexism, fascism, and so on.

antisocialite
antisocialite
4 years ago

“Has anyone ever read Blinded by the Right by David Brock? It’s quite a fascinating insider look at the right wing machine. He used to be part of it but converted to progressivism later.”

I haven’t yet; but it’s on my list. I’m reading Dark Money right now, I recommend it highly, it’s about how the Koch Bros have been trying to control the government and change it since the 60’s. It’s really scary, actually.

CPphazor
CPphazor
4 years ago

Well, if Vegas allows you to shoot mounted 50s I too would be reasonably irked.

Career arseholes and guns are not things I ever want to see put together myself x/

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

I believe that for most of them, their ignorance is stubbornly willful.

I mean MiloFans, not the commenters on WHTM!

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Re Milo’s photo:

1. Is he looking up at a beam of yellow, yellow sunlight in his eyes? (The jerking-off theory is also plausible.)

2. I never noticed until now how much his ears resemble Marco Rubio’s ears. (And now it’s Too Late, what with Rubio dropping out of the race. Too late for what? Can’t say.) Does anyone know whether Milo and Marco are related? Asking for a friend.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Robert

I have enough experience as a gay man to know that a white gay man attracted to MoC is not necessarily not-racist. Such men express their racist views in non-standard ways.

I have enough experience with life to know that a straight white woman attracted to a man of color is not necessarily nonracist. In fact, she might be very racist.

This fact still astonishes me but I know it’s true.

occasional reader
occasional reader
4 years ago

Hello.

Beware, their next hashtag is going to be #NotAllYourCrepesSuzette now, followed by #NotAllYourMapleSirupCrepes, #NotAllYourNutellaCrepes and so on. That is gonna make crepes creepy.

I am not sure qualifying Trump and the others only with pecular/distinctive physical features is nice. Critizing them for their ideas and behavior is ok, though.

Have a nice day.

Andzzzz
Andzzzz
4 years ago

I had to google Milo’s age, as it’s been bugging me as I think he comes across as very juvenile in his tweets at times – he’s 32!

Tragedy of the Commas
Tragedy of the Commas
4 years ago

@ Robert

The analysis of the rhetorical claptrap being peddled by the Milosophers is spot on. They do seem to think that communicating beliefs and viewpoints is a type of competition, and they’re using words in ways that are supposed to defeat enemies.

Yeah, pretty much. Everything said or done is to prove alpha dominance and total control of the argument. It’s why intimidation tactics are a favorite. If you silence the opposition, then you’ve “won”. Plus, it’s somehow a victory for free speech. Phrases like “racist” are used like trump cards or cheat codes to instant winning of the argument (unfortunately, some self-idenfitied SJWs can be like this.)

Even when red pill righters come over here, the impression is that they don’t want to change anyone’s mind. They’re playing gotcha, making factually incorrect claims, or performing alpha masculinity for people already on their team. “Look at how I totes wrekt that feminazi!”

Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
4 years ago

ColeYote, you’ll get no argument there from this straight woman.

sparkalipoo
sparkalipoo
4 years ago

@tedthefed

they don’t like that standard if they don’t benefit from it, however in cases like these were they do benefit from it, it’s the standard that must be followed