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Finger-pointing stock-photo blonde lady: The MRA meme-maker muse?

Have we met somewhere before?
Have we met somewhere before?

Today’s Memeday Special: Angry blonde ladies. Strike that: Angry blonde lady.

Men’s Rights Activists and other antifeminists, as many of you have no doubt noticed, have a deep and abiding love for stock photos of hysterical women, which they use as illustrations for blog posts and YouTube videos as well as free-floating memes.

In a previous Memeday post, we examined the MRA obsession with stock photos of women with bullhorns. Here’s one more bullhorn-lady meme to add to the pile.

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Apparently the supply of hysterical women stock photos can’t quite match the demand, and so MRAs tend to fall back on a few favorites. You’ve probably met this gal several times already:

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But the all-time favorite stock-photo feminist — you might even consider her a sort of muse to MRA meme-makers — is a certain special blonde lady with a wagging finger and a comically furious face.

Because what better way to defeat feminism than by putting words in the mouth of a woman posing for a stock-photographer while pulling the most over-the-top angry face she can manage?

Yes, I think we HAVE met before
Yes, I think we HAVE met before

muse3 muse4

Sometimes the MRA mememakers contrast the hysteria of finger-pointy blonde lady with the cool rationality of some stock-photo dude.

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And sometimes, for even greater impact, they replace her pointy finger with a gun.

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It’s funny, but I don’t know of any feminist who much resembles this caricature. Indeed, the only real-world woman that finger/gun-pointy blonde lady reminds me of is this one, and she’s definitely not a feminist.

Janet Bloomfield, reporting from her bunker

If she ever emerges from her underground bunker, she might be able to get some work as a stock photo model.

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Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

There’s a bit of anger here. Suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. It’s a tough world. Hope life picks up for you all 🙂

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

We are getting so hysterical, like the females we are, huh? With our logical rebuttals you can’t think of a way to reply to that will force us to agree with you. Females, amirite?

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

As an aside, for some reason, you seem fixated on how I think I am being perceived by random internet strangers. Does anyone actually care about how people they will never meet think about them? Really? To me, that is strange.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

“Both sides are just as bad!”

> MRAs threaten violence (rape, murder, beatings) against people who stand up to them, David included
> MRAs doxx and harass people online
> MRAs argue that women should be forced to have sex with men and get mad that women don’t make themselves appealing to men at all times

> Feminists argue that violence (against anyone) is wrong
> Feminists denounce doxxing and harassment
> Feminists say that you should do what makes you comfortable, regardless of what anyone thinks.
> Some feminists come together to mock misogyny on a blog called We Hunted the Mammoth, run by a feminist ally, in between actual activism they do, whatever that may be

Yup, we’re so fucking awful, aren’t we? All the things we do are totes equal to harassment, doxxing and violence!

Jamie | March 25, 2016 at 9:12 pm
Do you reckon this website helps or harms womens rights? That might be an interesting discussion, whatever ones view….

Days since someone has misunderstood what the site is for: 0

Look, we’re not here to advocate for women’s rights. We’re not here to do any activism at all. That’s not our mission statement. We track and mock misogyny. It’s right there in the banner at the top of the page.

At most, this is a place for like-minded people to mock silly misogyny and sometimes seriously discuss more vitriolic misogyny. It’s a place for feminists and feminist allies to sit down, have a breather and laugh at some people being silly jerks who hate women, and sometimes to discuss why they think the way they do, and sometimes to discuss when one of them does something particularly hateful. (And sometimes batting around trolls who like to wander in here on a percieved moral high horse.)

This is a (mostly) humor blog, not a fucking organization dedicated to activism. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

And if you think that this blog is somehow going to reflect on all feminism, then you really should ask yourself why you think a handful of people who comment on a blog (or why a business of ferrets in a David suit), can influence your opinion so easily on a thing as huge as feminism.

Methinks it’s because you’re just looking for a fight to make yourself look bigger and better than you actually are.

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

Hostile.

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

I actually totally believe you don’t want to argue, you want us to agree with your poor and unreasoned “logic” and feel thwarted when you find us using critical thinking skills instead.

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

Oh okay. There is mysogyny here? Perhaps I missed the point of this site. I didn’t see anything about women, only feminists on here, so far. Where is the stuff about women being bad or inferior? Could you link me?

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

Scroll up, then read 99% of the posts on this website, Jamie. Thousands of examples of misogyny from MRAs, right there at your fingertips.

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

No, not at all.

Debating online with hostile people always is a waste of everyone’s time. I thought everyone knew that.

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

Who here is being hostile?

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

Scrolling up, and reading the few other articles I have read, they are all about feminists. Which is no different from the catergorization of ‘all mra’ that you can find in the article and the comments, as a negative generalisation, and doesn’t apply to women in general.

I just want to see an example of this misogyny. I’m sure there must be some on here, the internet is full of nut jobs.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Shorter Jamie: “People aren’t being totally nice and deferential to meeee, even though I was being totally polite when I told them they’re as bad as people who harass and threaten people and told them they were making feminism look bad by being bad people and not doing what I think they should do! They’re so hostile, so I’m not going to debate with them!”

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llhglhW0IF1qekszro1_500.gif

(Just in case you missed it, Jamie, MOCKERY is the point of the site, not advocating.)

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

I like discussions, exchanges, not arguments.

So, discuss. I’m ready. The basketball game I’m watching isn’t particularly riveting so far. I’ve got the time.

I’ve asked you twice to provide an example of a position we hold that is harmful, childish, radical, whatever. All you can respond with is basically “bitchez be hysterical.” It’s almost like you have no evidence to support your claims and you just wanted to come in here to insult us.

It’s okay. I understand. We tend to eviscerate our foes in debate here. I don’t blame you for being scared.

There, there.
http://i.imgur.com/mcHjHov.gif

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

So this is a place full of angry people? I thought it was comedy. I’m so confused right now.

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

Again, who is angry? What are you referring to, Jamie? Is it being asked to clarify or support your points? Because that’s not being angry, that’s how discussion works.

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

I think you misunderstand ‘exchange’ perhaps. An exchange is an exchange of perspectives. A debate is a points scoring exercise based on ‘arguments’ and ‘points’.. An exchange has a different format and tone, it’s something where people approach each other like human beings.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Jamie | March 25, 2016 at 9:40 pm
Scrolling up, and reading the few other articles I have read, they are all about feminists.

Methinks you need to go back and read them again, or you have serious issues with your reading comprehension.

Or, you can show us what articles you actually read, because I’d wager none of the articles on this site are solely about feminists or feminism.

I just want to see an example of this misogyny.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/3a/3a342ee821e0c6ea2bebf81c0e0d7203930d2babe6c89e53882f24ae2602be89.jpg

I’m sure there must be some on here, the internet is full of nut jobs.

Ableism is against the comments policy.

Jamie | March 25, 2016 at 9:46 pm
I think you misunderstand ‘exchange’ perhaps. An exchange is an exchange of perspectives. A debate is a points scoring exercise based on ‘arguments’ and ‘points’.. An exchange has a different format and tone, it’s something where people approach each other like human beings.

Except you’ve offered no perspective beyond “You’re doing it wrong and making feminism look bad!” and no one here is obligated to “exchange” with you, cupcake.

And when you approach us all with condescension, and wonder why we’re being “hostile” and not “exchanging” with you, it’s most likely because we’ve already decided you aren’t worth it.

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

The tone of everyone who has replied to me is angry and hostile. You can’t see that? Well, I guess personal insight is a rare quality. But whether that’s true or not, that’s how I experienced it.

FYI, how do I unsubscribe from here?

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

The article above is entirely about MRA memes, and they are all about feminists, not women. I couldn’t see any statements negative, about women in this page/article. I suspect it’s not there. Hence why I asked for an example.

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

Um, dude, again, sharing a perspective in direct opposition to yours? That’s not actually being hostile or angry. Have you… is this your first time having a discussion with people who don’t agree with you? That’s almost adorable, really.

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

Nut jobs is about ableism? Jesus christ, I have bipolar, get over yourself.

Jamie
Jamie
8 years ago

So, again, how do I unsubscribe my email from this aggressive and hostile place?

I really didn’t realize my comment was going to attract a lynch mob. So any help with the unsubscribe thing would be great, then I can leave yall to your business.

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

Not using ableist slurs is in the posted rules, Jamie, don’t get so angry about it.

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

You could just ignore the notifications without responding.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

Geek feminism says it better than I could http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument

A tone argument is an argument used in discussions, sometimes by Concern trolls and sometimes as a Derailment, in which it is suggested that feminists would be more successful if only they expressed themselves in a more pleasant tone. This is also sometimes described as catching more flies with honey than with vinegar, a particular variant of the tone argument.

The tone argument is a form of derailment, or a red herring, because the tone of a statement is independent of the content of the statement in question, and calling attention to it distracts from the issue at hand. Drawing attention to the tone rather than content of a statement can allow other parties to avoid engaging with sound arguments presented in that statement, thus undermining the original party’s attempt to communicate and effectively shutting them down.

For people who find themselves on the privileged side in any particular interaction, rather than asking your interlocutor to be more civil, you should question why they might be speaking in a way that seems angry or hostile to you, and attempt to ignore their tone and focus on the content of what they are saying. Are they angry because they intend to hurt, or because they are frustrated about having their voices and those of others like them unheard and their perspectives repeatedly erased, possibly over many years by many different people? In the latter case, discussions are usually more productive when the offended party forgives apparent insults and treats the other party with the respect they wish to see, rather than derailing the conversation by changing the subject to the particulars of the other’s etiquette. If you have trouble telling the reasons behind a person’s anger, asking for those reasons will at least go over better than outright telling them to stop. If you do this, you still have not addressed their argument. To continue the conversation without addressing their argument would be to derail it. But if, before responding to the argument directly, you ask a few questions to establish where the arguer is coming from, that may enable you to respond better.

If Jamie actually wanted to discuss anything seriously, he would have a point, clearly make it and engage with the responses. He wouldn’t have come in here with a pompous screed about awful we are and then clutch his pearls when we aren’t all sweetness and light about it.

Am I the only one catching a whiff of sock here?