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Uh oh! Donald Trump, the great orange hope of America’s internet nazis, is facing a teensy bit of controversy, including some rather intense criticism from fellow Republicans, for his refusal to unequivocally condemn former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke and all the other white supremacists who love him so dearly.
On Twitter, the assortment of nazis and trolls and nazi trolls who seem to be his most enthusiastic backers are rallying around their man. And saying “cuck” a lot.
Here are some highlights — by which I mean lowlights — from the, er, discussion so far.
https://twitter.com/ChateauEmissary/status/704403592510369792
https://twitter.com/ChateauEmissary/status/704408949223727104
https://twitter.com/ChateauEmissary/status/704405411416432640
(I’m pretty sure ChateauEmissary is none other than our old friend Heartiste.)
https://twitter.com/Yann_Perrod/status/704382226457190400
https://twitter.com/TheNeoCohen/status/704147353624707072
https://twitter.com/theothertoolbox/status/704132500864573440
https://twitter.com/PizzaPartyBen/status/704382897675841537
https://twitter.com/RecycledSpoons/status/704393042967527424
https://twitter.com/Western_Triumph/status/703675348551081984
https://twitter.com/SamBowersGW/status/704169440628191233
https://twitter.com/cuckservative/status/704088212759830528
https://twitter.com/ragingAchilles/status/704076332414562305
https://twitter.com/voxday/status/703992645291528193
These low T cuckservative types are absolutely terrified of a man like Trump. The weak always fear the strong.
— Kurisu Kitsune (@Kurisu_Kitsune) February 28, 2016
Oh yes it is, Trump is the high energy lightening rod of our rage, the avatar of the American soul incarnate. Deal. https://t.co/mxXZoYh9x9
— Kurisu Kitsune (@Kurisu_Kitsune) February 29, 2016
https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/703928769904517120
https://twitter.com/JackBurtonReflx/status/703826180806316037
https://twitter.com/Anthonylefevre3/status/703926313032155136
Classy.
https://twitter.com/paulrdube1/status/704036548984107008
Alas, Paul D is probably right.
EDIT: Or not. Trump isn’t winning them all.
Well, that didn’t take long.
I almost didn’t post that last comment, but I honestly thought this forum would be different. Funny thing is, in more right-leaning circles, I’m attacked as a left-wing socialist/feminist when I say the exact same things. Blind bias exists everywhere, including within myself (I can admit it), so it’s not really a surprise.
Nothing to lose sleep over, though, right?
No matter who this episode’s guest writer is, Some Dickhead Mansplains It All is the most boring show on TV.
@Joe
If your primary non-point is so overused and objectively wrong that there’s a sarcastic acronym for it, you’re not dropping truth bombs, you’re dribbling down your leg.
I am, in fact, highly biased towards marginalized people in your country not being shit on any more than they already are.
Joe, take your fucking concern trolling elsewhere, along with your precious, precious approval and your delicate feelings.
@JK
Actually, for those people who are actually directly impacted by whichever ‘surface platform’ happens to be in office, it really is something to lose sleep over. The fact you just gloss over it when people offer you concrete examples of that is very telling.
Any argument that the difference between parties in a two-party system doesn’t matter is effectively an attack on whichever party the people you’re talking to support. Because by not voting for a party, you make it easier for the other party to win.
And in terms of who you should support, the personal motivations of the various candidates are meaningless; what matters is what they’ll actually do. So I really, really do not care that Hillary and Trump are both expecting to benefit financially from what they do, because the things Hillary expects to get money from are different from the things Trump expects to get money from.
I don’t think blaming Nader for Gore’s shitty campaign and Bush’s friends in the Supreme Court helping him steal the election is a very viable explanation.
FFS Gore couldn’t even win his home state!
There are significant differences between the two ruling parties and among the various candidates. I would have preferred Gore over Bush, or Kerry over Bush. That these two elections were close enough to steal is an indictment of the American electorate.
Certainly the many roadblocks to keep people from voting never helps. I can’t understand why the problems identified with the election system have remain unaddressed to this day.
http://blackboxvoting.org/
1. “Both sides are equally bad”
Answer: no, they’re not
2. “Woha, you’re acting almost as mean as MRAs”
Answer: we’re just elaborating on the stuff you said.
3. “Hey, you are in fact as mean as MRAs”
Answer: ???
What happened here?
@Joe
Ok, now you’re just trolling. Kindly fuck off.
With one political party about to select a candidate who cannot even disavow the KKK and another party which at least seeks to be inclusive and actually elected a Black President, it is pretty clear to me that one party is much less evil than the other.
This “both sides do it” nonsense doesn’t fly with me. If a Republican gets into the White House this November, my rights as a pro-LGBT, Black, immigrant woman could be severely impacted. Perhaps people with more privilege than I can sit this election out but many of us in the minority community (not just racial minorities, by the way) cannot afford to do so.
To the left, to the left…
The guy who sees no difference between the party trying to remove my bodily atonomy and the one defending it thinks we’re as mean as terrorists who send death threats as a way to completely silence feminists.
At least he is consistent.
@Petal
I’m glad Fingie is okay. >^..^<
The Clinton emails:
Now, I’m not saying she should have used her personal email servers. But, as someone who has been a .gov.uk email user during that period of time, I can not only understand the temptation, I can admit to doing government business over personal email – because it was FASTER, EASIER and JUST AS SECURE as using my .gov.uk email. BTW, I didn’t share anyone’s personal information – it was just to arrange meetings, get stuff done, etc when I wasn’t in the office. Using gov equipment would sometimes take a half hour or more just to get to my email – if I even could get to my email. Sometimes it wasn’t possible. It’s not like it is today when (some) people can simply access their gov email from a mobile device. Not that long ago, it just wasn’t that easy and for some people on ancient gov kit, it’s still not that easy. Yes, I was in no way in as sensitive a position as Sec of State Clinton was. And yes, what I did and what she did is JUST as FOIable (except I wasn’t at an FOIable body, but never mind that, we assumed that if anyone asked we’d just hand over the data).
The eeeevil nature of politicians:
I’ve never worked directly with US politicians on any extensive basis, so it might be different. However, I have worked with British politicians at local and national level and had exposure to current and worked with former ministers. Some of them – a few of them – are vile individuals and this has relatively little to do with their espoused policies and whether I agreed with them or not. But most of them are actually really hard-working, pragmatic and often very nice individuals who just happen to like attention and institutional power more than most people. Yes, sometimes they end up saying and doing things that they’d rather not, but everyone – everyone gets captured by the grind of government. Some of them, as I said are nasty, nasty people. But most of them aren’t. And believe it or not, most of them really do want to make things better. I just might not agree with what they think is better or if I do, how to get there.
However, stated platforms and policies DO matter. I don’t chose who I work with on projects based solely on that, but I certainly choose who to vote for and support based on that.
And the context matters, too. I don’t have the vote in the UK and I when I do I would definitely struggle to vote for someone who wasn’t strongly pro-choice and I would never vote for someone who is anti-choice . However, choice isn’t endangered in law or practice here in the UK in the same way that it currently is in the US. So I always, always vote solely on that criteria in the US. And that is why the Democratic party is always preferable to the Republican party to me and why they can never be ‘the same’ in my mind. Without the liberty to terminate an unwanted (or ill-fated) pregnancy – pretty much all other women’s rights for fertile women of child-bearing (or pre-child-bearing) age don’t mean much.
When a man treats a lack of deference as equivalent to abuse, I know he was never my ally.
“You don’t know a man until you tell him ” No”.”
Lea, Luzbelitx, Patricia Kayden, rugbyyogi: you are inspiring people. Thank you for existing.
Racism, sexism, classism, and violence in support of them are inseparably linked. All of them are seen as a kind of lese majesté against Gahd-given privilege, and all arouse vindictive rage in the authoritarian breast. The Franquist general, General Queipo de Llano, evinced this perfectly in the following quote:
“Our brave Legionaries … have shown the Red cowards what it means to be a man. And, incidentally, the wives of the Reds, too. These Communist and Anarchist women, after all, have made themselves fair game by their doctrine of free love. And now they have at least made the acquaintance of real men, and not milksops of militiamen. Kicking their legs about and struggling won’t save them.”
For further details, refer to “For Whom the Bell Tolls,” by Ernest Hemingway.
Somewhat O/T but to all Mamotheers of the Valleys, Happy St David’s Day!!!!!
http://www.visitwales.com/~/media/f581f7addeb2481c9e60c486c853387b.ashx?as=0&h=350&w=1024
Slightly O/T but to all Mamotheers of the Valleys, Happy St David’s Day!!!
Curse you WordPress, you win again!
Ah well, you can never have enough daffodils.
So, Joe can’t argue against our points so he’s resorted to calling us mean. Or maybe uppity is a better word for it?
Sorry Joe, I care more about the lives of marginalized people more than I care about your fee fees.
Everyone has their particular favourite flavours of political ice cream. Some like vanilla fiscal policy with little mint foreign policy chunks; others like butterscotch social welfare swirl. Our priorities are informed by our place in life, and that’s fine – expected and required, actually.
The whole point of social justice is recognizing that the butterscotch swirl is out, and there are a lot of people who really really want a new bucket opened, and asking the nice people behind the counter to do it, even if I myself don’t like it.
It’s the ability to recognize issues that are not your own that is so difficult, and so important. That’s the issue, Joe. There are a huge amount of people who are desperate for their butterscotch swirl, and you’re suggesting that we might as well all leave cause the vanilla mint is out. I think, anyways?
The main point is that I miss ice cream :c
You might be referring to the corrupting influence of money in politics. This is certainly an issue, and it worms into *everything*! It basically lets wealthy people buy politicians wholesale, which ripples out to impact everything else that government touches, because it prevents politicians from voting according to their constituents or platforms. They have to vote according to their donors if they want to get re-elected.
Hillary’s got issues, and the email thing looks like an enormous problem – it’s not at all like the Benghazi nonsense, which the republicans have pretty much openly admitted was manufactured to cause her issues. No, the email thing is being researched by the FBI, and every movement of sensitive information to her private email server is apparently a felony, not to mention the fact that the FBI has very strong suspicions that it was hacked by foreign governments. If Hillary gets the nomination and the FBI decides to press something (and they have pretty strong republican ties too…), she’s unelectable, and it’ll be Trump, Rubio or Cruz, all of which are terrifying.
I think Hillary would be a status-quo president like Obama, who will follow the lead of the american people without making waves – not terrible, but not great. Bernie would be much more progressive, but would face obstruction – but he’s already shown a willingness to fight the Republicans that Obama lacks. Tricky, but I’d vote Bernie.
And that’s my two cents! Sorry for the long post – I am stuck in a coffee shop waiting for a dumb skype meeting that was moved to skype *after* I drove into the city. Nice.
And don’t forget all the patronizing and “I expected better” bullshit.
PS:
Awww right back at you! And everyone in the room (but the troll)!
I’d like to add a special thanks fro SHFC for this:
@WWTH So you’d argue that, say, an Iraqi who says that he doesn’t see much of a difference between Bush and Obama is privileged? How exactly does privilege explain the fact that voter participation correlates with socio-conomic status as well as race?
Although I do see some differences between democrats and republicans on some issues, on issues like foreign policy, they’re fundamentally in agreement (although they may disagree on tactics, they pretty much in agreement on goals), they both adhere to neoliberal economic policy. Both parties poo-poo the notion of single-payer healthcare. The ACA is best understood as a stalling measure to placate the public while hoping that it’ll be content with that. In that respect, republican politicians are more honest than democrat politicians about their intentions. Your defense of democrats on homosexuality completely erases Clinton’s legacy, for instance, the introduction of “don’t ask, don’t tell” or Hilary’s own views towards gay marriage. While democrats aren’t openly hostile to reproductive rights, their erosion has largely occurred during democrat administrations.
Not at all how it works. There is no indication whatsoever that Clinton deliberately transferred classified information to her private server; at most other people sent her emails containing classified information from computers that shouldn’t have contained classified information either. Maintaining a private email server is entirely immaterial to this case; if she had a government email it would not be approved for storing classified information.
The FBI is responsible for counterintelligence and as such investigates potential security breaches whether or not there is any reason to suspect they may have reason to bring charges. Inadvertent mishandling of classified information is not a criminal offense and in this case wouldn’t even be grounds for revoking a security clearance. That’s assuming that the FBI decides any of it even was classified; designation of what is classified is irregular between departments and the status of the emails is disputed.
… But authored and pushed through entirely by Republican politicians aiming to obstruct Obama, make him look shitty and/or ineffectual, punish the electorate for voting “Wrongly” and produce memes like this. It’s not like they’re shy about admitting this; they “Warned” us about these “Consequences” before the damn elections. (Which is the dictionary definition of terrorism, by the way.)
Also: “Democrat politicians,” “Democrat administrations”? Really, you’re going with that?