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“The goal of feminism is to turn women into rape-meat,” Roosh V pal Matt Forney claims

Matt Forney: Has opinions about rape
Matt Forney: Has opinions about rape

The bald blob of human garbage known as Matt Forney seems to be hungering for attention again.

The schlumpy ubermensch, a budding white supremacist and regular contributor to Return of Kings, has made a (terrible) reputation for himself with a series of clickhate posts sporting titles like “How to Crush a Girl’s Self-Esteem” and “Why Fat Girls Don’t Deserve to Be Loved,” the latter posted without shame despite the fact that Forney is himself something of a fatty. (Full disclosure: I am also a fatty.)

Apparently inspired by his buddy and mentor Roosh Valizadeh, Forney also posted (then later deleted) what was in essence a date-rape how-to called “Why Girls Rarely Mean No When They Say No.”

Forney has now composed another masterpiece in this genre, a post in which he sets out to explain “Why Feminists Want Men to Rape Them.” Forney, himself recently accused of raping an unconscious woman, argues — and I use the term loosely — that

[e]verything feminists do, from holding up “Refugees Welcome” signs at airports to passing affirmative consent laws, is geared around encouraging men to assault them.

This isn’t a conscious urge. No feminist wakes up in the morning and thinks to herself, “I’m gonna try and get raped today!” …

But deep in the recesses of her lizard hindbrain, the average feminist wants nothing more than for a man to shove her into a wall and force himself deep inside her.

Forney tries his best to give this appalling nonsense a “scientific” sheen, asserting that “Feminism is an r-selected ideology, and rape is an r-selected sexual strategy.” K-selected conservatives see the world as a big competition in which resources are limited, Forney asserts, while r-selected lefties “want a world of free resources: free food, free money, free shelter and free sex.”

Life is to short for me to waste any more of my time or yours in trying to explicate Forney’s pseudoscientific “logic” here, so instead I’m going to simply quote seven of Forney’s most odious pronouncements from his post.

Rape “is an inherently leftist form of sex” because lefties are all about entitlement

Much in the same way leftists feel entitled to take other peoples’ money away through taxation and welfare, rapists feel entitled to stick their penises in girls’ vaginas. In fact, you could say that rape is an inherently leftist form of sex, which would explain why so many male feminists, such as Jian Ghomeshi and Hugo Schwyzer, enjoy assaulting and abusing girls.

Sexual assault is sexual socialism: redistributing nookie to the least privileged in society.

Feminists like rape because they want babies but are too lazy to have sex

From an r-strategist’s perspective, rape is a good thing, because it allows a female to have children without having to do anything, aside from breathe. …

Every feminist, deep down, wants nothing more than a rapist’s baby in her belly.

Feminists won’t condemn Muslim refugees as rapey monsters because they want Muslim refugees to rape them

In the darkest recesses of their minds, feminists want swarthy refugees to punch them in the face, tear their clothes off, and spit roast them like plump, juicy swine.

When feminists say we shouldn’t blame the victims of rape, it’s because they want more girls to go out and get raped

The oft-repeated feminist chant, “Don’t teach women not to get raped, teach men to not rape,” is an explicit call for girls to place themselves into situations where they’re likely to get sexually assaulted, then dodge all blame.

Feminists want women to get fat and cover themselves in tattoos so men will think they’re ugly

[P]ushing “fat acceptance,” tattoos and piercings, and encouraging girls to be “bossy” and sarcastic is about crippling females’ ability to compete for men.

Feminists are training men to be rapists

[F]eminists have been trying to train men to rape girls for years. …

Affirmative consent laws and “rape culture” claims are a two-pronged attack on masculinity, designed to advantage sneaky males and hurt masculine men, and there’s no sneakier male than a rapist. 

Feminists love Muslim rapists so much they’ve become traitors to Western Civilization. Also, Muslims have small penises.

Because feminists couldn’t create a rape culture, they imported one from the Middle East. …

The only thing that will stop the rape-lust of feminists and their poorly-endowed Muslim abusers is Western men having the courage to call it out. There can be no compromise, no peace with these traitors inside the walls.

I have nothing clever to say here. Forney is a stain on humanity.

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greyskye
greyskye
5 years ago

@ThatBear – heh, anger makes me do great things, occasionally. I think that was probably my finest moment.

And I hear you about shame, I’m actually working on that myself at the moment in my on-going work on my CPTSD, toxic shame is a big one to chew through. But, it’s heal-able, so there’s hope! I wish you love and peace, dear heart.

Redsilkphoenix
Redsilkphoenix
5 years ago

@Bina:

Do you have the pattern for those crocheted octupuses to share? I like those. 😀

Please?

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

There are a lot of factors that go into obesity besides simply willpower.

Yeah, so let’s talk about willpower. I ate 1400 to 1800 Kcal per day (I counted everything, even lettuce) and walked 5 to 8 miles every day for over a year. I was also in a lit of pain between the arthritis in my knees and the pain in my gut that o get when I eat so little. I was probably malnourished, too because I had malabsorption I was unaware of at the time. I was hungry all the time. I often couldn’t concentrate because I was so hungry. But I kept my calories down and kept walking. My willpower is nit and never will be the problem, and I challenge anyone who says it is to do the same thing for a whole year. Hell, try it for a single month. I doubt they can do it. And yet they assume because I’m fat that I have no willpower.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
5 years ago

the ‘normal’ sizes aren’t actually anywhere close to the current average, which is dress size 12-14

Exactly. But most stores stock only through size 16–so if you’re just 2 sizes above the actual average you get to shop in the fat women’s section. Where the clothes are mostly in muted, dark colors, because we are supposed to blend in as much as possible and try not to offend others with our existence.

Nazrala
Nazrala
5 years ago

Is Matt Forney telling the internets that he and Doosh V are feminists? Or are they just confusing feminism w/ “neomasculinity”?

abars01
abars01
5 years ago

*yawn*

The attention-angling clickbait (and that’s all any of it is) of conservatives/MRAs/neo-nazis/neoreactionaries/etc. has became so repetitive and predictable by now, it doesn’t even make me raise an eyebrow. A rant about Muslim refugees here, a dig at overweight women there, sprinkle a few uses of “cuck” and “dindu” on top, and viola, you’ve seen every single one of their rants that they’ve ever written. It’s so generic, it might as well be sold in nondescript packets in the budget aisle of the supermarket. Seriously, I wish I could command this much attention for writing stuff that everyone has already read six zillion times before.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Dalillama | February 27, 2016 at 11:35 pm
(and as an aside, I hate those arbitrary fucking numbers so much; is it too much to ask that measurements for clothes correspond in some calculable fashion to actual body measurements?).

Oh, but the fashion industry does do that! For men! Seriously, look at men’s pants! All sized by waist measurement, and leg measurement. (And then you can go big and tall, or in my younger brother’s case “husky”. Good fucking luck finding nice “husky” clothes for women.)

Us wimmens have to try on half the store (and be mocked by men for “not knowing how to shop” or “taking forever in the store”) just to make sure we can find something that fits properly.

Also, here’s an interesting tidbit: No one in Hollywood or with any substantial amount of money wears off the rack stuff.

Even on shows like What Not to Wear, the people on those shows have everything tailored for their bodies.

So while the rest of us schmucks who can’t afford alterations or can’t do them ourselves have a near mental breakdown at the thought of purchasing clothes, other people are making them fit properly, and then we’re sold the lie that anyone can look good by just wearing the right kinds of clothes for our “body shape”, which usually boils down to “cover up those fat rolls or any other part of you that’s not socially acceptable, and don’t draw attention to these unforgivable flaws”.

dontgiveahoot
5 years ago

And the price discrepancies between healthy food and crap are actually deliberately created.

Question – what for? Does anyone know? What on earth is the benefit to the US government to pay for crops to overproduce, ultimately operating at a loss to pay for things that make people unhealthier?

snork maiden
5 years ago

Forney’s been eating too much cheese before bed time hasn’t he?

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@dontgiveahoot:
Most first-world agriculture is subsidised to some extent, simply because it wouldn’t exist otherwise. It’s incredibly expensive to use all that land, water and labour for agriculture in the first world; in a free market this would push the prices up to the point where everybody would buy imported food instead and the first-world farms would go bust.

The reasoning behind this is twofold:

1) National security. It is felt by some people that if the country were to be in a war in which it had to close her borders and subsist only on what’s inside them, then there should be enough agriculture inside those borders to feed everyone. I feel that this is nonsense but YMMV.

2) Rural employment. Farming (and other things like fishing, ranching, mining and timber) tends to dominate the communities it’s based in. If the farm shuts down, the entire community becomes unemployed. This creates economic hardship but also (due to the way representative democracy often works) has political repercussions which governments find unacceptable.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@snorkmaiden:
I can’t avoid the sneaking suspicion that Forney has noticed all of Valizadeh’s sudden media attention for saying terrible things, and is trying to use the same method himself.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
5 years ago

My ex girlfriend was once told by a clothing store clerk that she shouldn’t ever wear pants, because pants just didn’t “sit right” on her. Because of her body shape (short legs, tall upper body). By the time we broke up, about a year later, she was still freaking out every time she put on pants/jeans, trying to make sure they didn’t look weird on her. I wish people knew better than to make stupid comments about other people’s bodies.

snork maiden
5 years ago

@Jamesworkshop,

that story about the du Pont heir dodging jail for child rape is sickening, and it reminded me of a case in the news in Britain recently, where some over privileged young Etonian got a 10 month suspended sentence for ‘creating’ and distributing child pornography, actions which would have put a poorer person away for life. Trigger warnings for this link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/eton-pupil-andrew-picard-convicted-of-creating-and-sharing-child-abuse-images-a6896966.html

Snowberry
Snowberry
5 years ago

And the price discrepancies between healthy food and crap are actually deliberately created.

Question – what for? Does anyone know? What on earth is the benefit to the US government to pay for crops to overproduce, ultimately operating at a loss to pay for things that make people unhealthier?

To the best of my knowledge, and I’m not an expert (wouldn’t mind being corrected by an expert if I’m wrong) it’s only deliberate in the sense of “this system was created deliberately” rather than “the difference in prices was an intentional result of the system”.

Things like corn, wheat, and soy are staple products – there will be lots of buyers, domestic or foreign, no matter what. The US is the largest producer of certain staple crops, and most farms which produce them in any real quantity specialize in them exclusively. But ironically, an exceptionally good year can be a greater disaster than an exceptionally bad one. The market becomes flooded and devalued to the point where one can’t really make a profit, and then you end up with countless tons of unsold rotting food which have to be disposed of at great expense. Farms go out of business, finding new buyers for the land can take years, and the next few years are likely to result in shortages due to foreclosed farms.

The Nixon administration apparently decided that heavy subsidies was the way to go. Assuring that farms were paid well enough to get through both exceptionally good or exceptionally bad times resulted in greater food stability. It also changed the economy so that the staples are nearly always overabundant and dirt cheap, but most of the other crops aren’t. Over time food manufacturers found ways to make use of the excess – it’s too cheap a resource not to exploit.

Whether that was the best choice or not, the US is now basically stuck with it – lowering the subsidies to any significant degree could potentially cause the collapse of the US farming base and put most of the “crap-makers” out of business. Instead of good food being beyond the reach of many poor people, getting a hold of any food at all would be difficult for many poor people for the next several years. The exact risk of this happening is unknown, so almost no politician would dare to try it.

snork maiden
5 years ago

@EJ,

I think you may be right there, Forney wants to get in on the media attention, and trolling is all he knows.

Sad thing is, the media has already moved on and forgotten Roosh. I haven’t seen his spurious libel case against S. Jane Gari mentioned anywhere in the main stream media.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@snork maiden
I clicked through and I’m enraged.

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

Maybe, just maybe, one day internet dudebros will learn that fat acceptance is not, and has never been, about goading people who aren’t fat into becoming fat. Maybe they’ll grasp the fantastically not-difficult concept that fat acceptance is about treating fat people like *gasp* people.

And then maybe one day hell will freeze over.

But hey, I can dream.

I just had to see a doctor this week to order a sleep study (I likely have obstructive apnea). I am a size 16 in a tall, sturdy frame, and the doctor talked more about my weight than about the fact I may be choking in my sleep. This included lecturing me about the foolishness of eating candy bars as an afternoon pick-me-up, despite the fact that I literally can’t remember the last time I bought a candy bar, and he didn’t ask me about my eating habits at all.

This is also despite his observation that I have a “very low” soft palette. But nope, clearly the fat is the problem.

But the sleep study is ordered, so I’ma do that, get a copy of the results, and promptly peace out for a second opinion from someone who will treat me like a reasonably intelligent person.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
5 years ago

@Kootiepatra

Maybe, just maybe, one day internet dudebros will learn that fat acceptance is not, and has never been, about goading people who aren’t fat into becoming fat. Maybe they’ll grasp the fantastically not-difficult concept that fat acceptance is about treating fat people like *gasp* people.

This is just a level of reasoning that bigots aren’t capable of, it seems. They make the same mistake when it comes to LGBT rights, and probably many other areas as well. We say “let’s treat LGBT people like people”, they hear “let’s force everyone to become gay”.

the doctor talked more about my weight than about the fact I may be choking in my sleep

I feel you. I spent a decade trying to get treatment for what was clearly some form of arthritis, only to have doctors tell me to just lose some weight and the pains might go away. It drove me to stop seeking medical help for my problems since I knew I’d just be chastised for being overweight again, wasting years of my life when I could’ve worked or studied if I’d had access to treatment. This really is a serious problem.

Mish
Mish
5 years ago

@MissEB47, thank you for the pademelons 😀

Inkswitch
Inkswitch
5 years ago

Excuse me, i have something important to do…

http://whitsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/20e.jpg

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
5 years ago

I read this post yesterday and have been trying to figure out how I feel about it. I started off being enraged by this bullshit, especially the part about wanting to get pregnant by rape. I know people who became pregnant through rape and have seen the heartbreak.
Then I was just sad that people like Forney have a platform to unload his hateful views where rape survivors can read them.
Now I’m thinking that he’s just doing it for attention and I feel almost sorry for him that the only way he knows how to get his need for attention met is to say the worst things he can think of. What a miserable existence

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@snorkmaiden:
Okay, that link put me on the fucking warpath. How dare Peter Ross, the judge responsible, do such a shitty thing?

Dear Mr Peter Ross,

I hope this letter finds you well.

I put it to you that you are no gentleman. You are either laughably corrupt or snivellingly incompetent, and neither are becoming to a man with your authority. I am in open contempt of your pathetic toadying wormlike nature, as any decent citizen of the realm would be. The fact that you consider yourself fit to continue in your position of responsibility is, however, more offensive to the institution of the British law than any insult that I am here able to devise; and it is to the deep discredit of your colleagues that they are able to continue to address you in a professional capacity without lapsing into four-letter colloquial Anglo-Saxon. I hope that you live a long and happy life in circumstances where you are asked to do nothing more difficult than spell your own name, as this may be more appropriate to a citizen of your moral calibre.

Hugs and kisses,
– EJ

Makroth
Makroth
5 years ago

Off-topic, but Twitter’s Trust and Safety Council is pissing off all the right people. And i mean ALL of them. I love it! The troll tears are delicious!

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

My ex girlfriend was once told by a clothing store clerk that she shouldn’t ever wear pants, because pants just didn’t “sit right” on her. Because of her body shape (short legs, tall upper body).

I have the same body type and didn’t need a store clerk to tell me that. Buying pants is just hell. To make matters worse, I have curvy hips but a smallish butt so I’m stuck finding pants that have a waist big enough to fit my hips, which are about a mile below my waist and if I somehow manage to accomplish that, they are always baggy in the butt and thighs.

I’m in desperate need of some new pants right now and am not looking forward to the shopping. At least it’ll be skirt season soon.

What else that sucks is sizing isn’t even consistent within the same brand. I can walk into a Gap wearing their pants in a size 10 and try on new pants and not even have a 14 fit me the next time. I can take two pair of pants in the same size in any given store into the dressing room and one pair will fit while the other doesn’t. WHAT THE FUCK!?

Zer
Zer
5 years ago

Anonymous hacked Roosh Valizadeh account and his blog yesterday:

Enjoy

http://archive.is/UJFeg

Ashes2Ashe
5 years ago

Wow. I have been a feminist since I was a wee lass, my dad used to tell me I was his little feminist. Which I took as a compliment but not quite sure pops meant it as such lol. Nice to to know that I was just going through the motions because I had latent rape desires.

Ashara Payne
Ashara Payne
5 years ago

Ugh. It’s well-known that half the reason people send their kids to schools such as Eton is for all the social contacts they make that allow them access to all the top jobs. We’re a long way from having a society where people are getting promotions and jobs purely on merit still. The rich are desperate to stay on top. It wouldn’t surprise me if his parents knew someone or he knew someone who knew someone who’s pally with the judge somehow. This is why they had problems finding someone to investigate the child sex abuse scandal.

@WWTH I gave up trying to buy trousers to fit me about 15 years ago. I now buy stretchy ‘workout’ trousers from sports shops, which all have elasticated waistbands. I still need to try on various types to get a good fit, but normal trousers from normal shops never fit, they’re always enormous around my thighs. Some pregnancy trousers fit, but most don’t, they’re usually far too big around the belly, but occasionally I’ll find a pair that are just very stretchy. Trouble with women’s clothes, I think, is that women have much more variable shapes than men. A small woman with a large bust is a completely different shape from a large woman with a small bust etc. Men tend to get fat in the belly first and then the rest of the top. Rarely do they get fat bums/thighs. If standard clothes fit then you’re just lucky. At least they do bras in all sizes now. Thirty years ago it was hard to get anything over a DD.

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
5 years ago

Ooh WWTH I have the same body type. Long body, short legs, wide hips but small butt. I’m also a 34FF and even finding dresses is a nightmare because it either fits around the chest but is massive around the waist, or it fits around the waist but around the chest it looks like I’ve tried to squeeze into children’s clothes.

Ugh, I need to go bra shopping too which always ends in one of 2 ways.
1 – me strutting out of the shop like I’ve achieved all my dreams
2 – me sobbing in a changing room.

I can’t put it off any longer though. All of my bras have got the point where the underwire is attempting to stab me. I’m debating making my own, there is not a single gel/double-padded bra in my size. I even wrote to some companies (bravissimo make large bras, not sure if they are known outside the UK) asking if they were planning to make gel bras and they basically responded that women with large breasts don’t need gel bras. It’s like they think that anyone above a certain size wants them minimised and hidden.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

They also simultaneously want women to be subservient wives totally dependent on their husbands, yet denigrate women who ARE like that, while assuming that all women are like that.

They want women to be combination house elves / sex bots.

Most of that ilk seem to not think of women as being “people”, at least not as people-y people as men are, so it’s not a huge stretch to completely dehumanize them.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
5 years ago

This included lecturing me about the foolishness of eating candy bars as an afternoon pick-me-up, despite the fact that I literally can’t remember the last time I bought a candy bar, and he didn’t ask me about my eating habits at all.

I don’t think I’ve ever taken less than three days to eat a whole candy bar. They’re huge. I love chocolate but you know, three bites in one sitting is usually plenty. Can’t eat more than a half-cup or so of ice cream in a sitting either.

Currently down to one large meal, one small meal (a Greek yogurt and about 2 servings of fresh fruit) and one piece of unbuttered toast a day, with milk in my coffee.

So, you know. Tell me again how I just need to eat less, even though my trainer tells me the exact literal opposite.

My doctor, thankfully, is a sensible person. He commented on my successful weight loss (it’s not a lot, but it’s a bit) in a positive way, I told him what I was doing and he said “Great job! Keep doing that!” and gave me some materials on cutting sodium (which I do need to pay more attention to, as I’ve started actively disliking oversalty foods, aside from the health factor).

I do still eat too much processed stuff, but I’ve started changing the way I eat that too. Now I put packages of steamed broccoli with my rice a roni, and also add a whole bunch of black beans for protein. It tastes better that way anyway, and it’s not just a load of salty starch anymore either.

dreemr
dreemr
5 years ago

Instead of good food being beyond the reach of many poor people, getting a hold of any food at all would be difficult for many poor people

This is also why insisting on only non-GMO or only-organic farming techniques would result in worldwide starvation.

@Kootiepatra, Imaginary Petal, and Jarnsaxa

Having a doctor who despises fat people is probably the biggest barrier to good health that I’ve encountered. The constant lectures, the dismissive manner, moue of disgust they don’t even bother to hide, and the incredible unhelpfulness is so disheartening that I just internalized it – hey, if even doctors (who presumably went into medicine because they want to help people) think I am hopeless and beyond helping, and deserve every physical and emotional pain that I suffer, well, they must be right. Even now, when I have found a person that treats me like a human being, I am reluctant to go see someone I don’t know, because facing that kind of disapproval is overwhelming sometimes.

Also, included in the “poverty=obesity” equation should be the fact that I did not have health insurance during the time I put on 150 pounds, so I only went for emergencies. Now I am under a health care professional’s care, but no way could I have afforded to go see her once a month when I didn’t have health insurance.

takshak
takshak
5 years ago

There’s a reason I only buy men’s clothes… they don’t have sizes, they have measurements. But I have a body-type that can… I get called “sir” a lot by clerks.

And what it this shitweasel doing with a Landwaster bannner? Delusions of grandeur much?

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
5 years ago

But I have a body-type that can… I get called “sir” a lot by clerks.

I’m incredibly envious. All this exercise, I’ve lost girth, I’ve lost pant sizes. I haven’t lost a single bit of boob flesh. They’re still stupidly large, just like they were before, and I still get the back pain and the flopping and the worries over wardrobe malfunctions when I swim. (I’ve never had one, they just feel like they’re always on the verge of popping out, it’s quite uncomfortable.) The belly has gone down a little but I’d really like to be able to go down to a DD or even a D.

Men have some really nice clothes too, and generally speaking they seem to have more subdued, dark colors that I like in patterns that will not instantly cause the viewers to wish they had sunglasses. I especially am attracted to their sweaters. They have such nice sweaters.

Hambeast, Social Justice Beastie
Hambeast, Social Justice Beastie
5 years ago

I really miss the fat-o-sphere, especially Shapely Prose (I am still Kate Harding!) it all seemed to kind of poof out of existence in about 2011. Health at Every Size (HAES) still needs to be a thing, especially with health care providers. It just sucks that there are doctors who think that we fat people don’t deserve decent health care.

I gave up dieting after my last round of weight-loss, which was very successful, btw. It was a lot of hard work, though, which made me finally realize how much time it took away from the rest of my life. I wanted to go back to school and figured out that if I wanted that endeavor to be successful, something would have to give. I made the choice and chucked the diet, since not working wasn’t possible at that time. So, I got fat and made a 3.95 GPA.

I still don’t regret it!

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

That’s awesome, Hambeast! It’s really a huge achievement to get that high of a GPA. Congrats!

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

Bras! I order mostly online now that I’ve found my holy grail brand/size and a few others to meet wardrobe needs.

@Dr. NicolaLuna

Much of what’s out there in ‘unusual’* sized bras cut shallow and with wide wires will give a somewhat minimizing effect for those who actually need narrow wires and more projection. The lack of depth in the cup is compensated for by the wide wires. It’s also good to double check your size every year since things can change in that area. Check out the reddit /abrathatfits for more information on how measure/self-fit your size and how various factors will influence which bras will work best. Taking measurements like standing perimeter of larger side, leaning, etc in addition to the usual two circumferences (it’s no longer needed to add 4″ to the underbust measurement for band size.) like the reddit group goes over is extra useful to plug in to Bratabase.com. Bratabase is an ongoing effort to compile user body measurements followed by those of their bras to see which other bras align closest with the users input. The more people adding to the data collection the better resource it becomes. There’s also a buy/sell/trade feature and fit check requests

Sorry, I’m a bra fanatic.
*’unusual’ meaning there’s no walking into a Kohls or such to easily find ones size – boutique specializing in bras/lingerie and expensive department stores are it unless you are really confident about your size or the e-retailer allows returns. I’m 32G/GG sometimes 30H, so the option of not just finding my size but paying only $30 or less for a bra would be awesome.

CriticalDragon1177
5 years ago

David Futrelle,

I wonder how Matt Forney would explain the massive feminist support for the right to choose when it comes to having an abortion. In fact one of the biggest pro choice arguments is that women shouldn’t be forced to carry their rapist’s baby. Seems a bit odd that feminists wouldn’t be anti abortion or at least in different in the case of rape, if they subconsciously wanted to get raped and forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.

Than again Forney is a moron who basically thinks that there would be no violent crime in America, despite the easy access to guns, if everyone was white and no one was Muslim.

Racist Islamophobic Ammosexuals, We Don’t Need Gun Control, Just Get Rid of the Blacks and Muslims!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/318760_Racist_Islamophobic_Ammosexual

Flora
Flora
5 years ago

Hugs to everybody who wants them after their horrible experiences for seeking medical care while fat – I know that this is a huge issue and do my best to prevent people from feeling like garbage. If I do need to discuss weight, I always make sure I’m explaining why it’s medically relevant and acknowledge that they may have been made to feel crappy about it in the past, or continue to feel crappy about it. Even if being fat is 100% personal choice and 100% a cause of health issues and 0% related to external factors outside that person’s control like poverty (which is obviously not the case), blaming people and making them feel like crap is not an effective way of changing behaviour. I do my best to emphasize this to other physicians but medical culture changes slowly.

guy
guy
5 years ago

Question – what for? Does anyone know? What on earth is the benefit to the US government to pay for crops to overproduce, ultimately operating at a loss to pay for things that make people unhealthier?

Lots of reasons. First, food prices and yields are unstable and it’s pretty easy for a run of bad luck to force a farm out of business and have it get bought out by a large company or wealthy individual, which is generally agreed to have been a problem when it happened in Rome. The subsidies are supposed to make it more consistent.

Second, the flip side of instability for producers is instability for consumers. If food prices triple, which can absolutely happen, people have little choice but to try to pay anyway. Farm subsidies became a major issue in the US after the Dust Bowl, a conflux of farming practices and weather that resulted in immense dust storms ruining crops and coincided with the Great Depression.

Third, well, it might not be healthy food but it is food. Subsidies are one of the ways the government helps ensure people can afford food at all by keeping the price artificially low. Obviously the government could help pay for people’s food by other methods, but it is something that subsidizing crops does along with its other effects.

Fourth, there’s the hypothetical national security issue. This isn’t presently a concern for the US, but if a country needs to import a strategic resource, such as food, then their supplier can cut them off to pressure them or gain a military advantage in a war. Which is actually a big part of what led to Pearl Harbor, because the US blocked the export of various key resources, notably oil, to Japan to pressure them to withdraw from China.

As for why they subsidize certain food more than other food, there is not a good reason for that. It’s just that the people who benefit from the current setup have a lot of money and influence and use it to maintain the status quo.

Dalillama
Dalillama
5 years ago

Sorry for the wall o’ text
@kupo

My willpower is nit and never will be the problem, and I challenge anyone who says it is to do the same thing for a whole year.

Yup. Willpower’s got nothing to do with it. The bullshit moralizing that gets trotted out on this topic all the time burns me up. Not only is it harmful to the people who are the targets of fat-shaming, it makes it impossible to have a real conversation about the real problems the U.S. is having right now with preventable health problems related to diet (and/or exercise; it’s easy to say ‘just work out more’, but not everyone can afford the time/money/trip to a gym, or ‘just walk more’ when half the neighborhoods in this damn country don’t even have fucking sidewalks) or the systemic causes of same.

@Paradoxical Intention

Also, here’s an interesting tidbit: No one in Hollywood or with any substantial amount of money wears off the rack stuff.

Yup. There’s also not actually any good economic reason why we couldn’t all be wearing tailored clothes, or at least altered to fit from a close size.

@dontgiveahoot

Question – what for? Does anyone know? What on earth is the benefit to the US government to pay for crops to overproduce, ultimately operating at a loss to pay for things that make people unhealthier?

The short answer is that conservatives have their heads so far up their asses that they mistake shit for sunshine.
The rather longer answer is that Butz tossed out a program designed to prevent overproduction of corn in favor of one designed to guarantee it, because, basically, capitalist apologists love to screw everyone over for the benefit of big corporations (like the ones that completely took over American agriculture) while singing specious psalms for the common man.
@EJ (TOO)

It’s incredibly expensive to use all that land, water and labour for agriculture in the first world; in a free market this would push the prices up to the point where everybody would buy imported food instead and the first-world farms would go bust.

Depends heavily on where you are, and on what other factors you’re considering. A major one is transportation; in a post-petroleum world (or even a petroleum world with some consideration of real costs), shipping thousands of tons of tomatoes from Lima to London because they can be grown 10 pence a pound cheaper there is not even a little bit cost-effective. It was never efficient, or a good idea.

the reasoning behind this is twofold:

You actually missed the first and most prominent reason for the subsidies: bread riots. Agricultural price supports are there to make sure that people can afford to eat, as well as to ensure that farmers don’t go broke (Butz’s programmes eliminated the second principle; he killed family farming in the U.S. and buried it at a crossroads with a stake through its heart).

On an unrelated note, that letter to Ross is epic.
@Snowberry

To the best of my knowledge, and I’m not an expert (wouldn’t mind being corrected by an expert if I’m wrong) it’s only deliberate in the sense of “this system was created deliberately” rather than “the difference in prices was an intentional result of the system”.

It’s kind of both. Cheaper corn products were definitely an aim of the program. The knock-on effects may not have been intended, but as far as I’m concerned, if someone’s in a position to know the consequences of their actions and does them anyway, then all the consequences count as deliberate. I mean, Butz was an ignorant fuckhead, and may well not have known what he was doing, but that’s no excuse, because someone in his position could and should have known, so if he didn’t, it’s because he didn’t care.

Things like corn, wheat, and soy are staple products – there will be lots of buyers, domestic or foreign, no matter what.

This is a)not always true, and b) not always a good thing. There’s actually a serious problem some places with cheap imported U.S. grain is undercutting local farmers and putting them out of work.

and most farms which produce them in any real quantity specialize in them exclusively

This is a major effect of Butz’s programmes, and also a staggeringly terrible idea, for reasons both economic and environmental. We need to change it sooner than later if we want to keep the Great Plains and the Gulf of Mexico.

Whether that was the best choice or not, the US is now basically stuck with it – lowering the subsidies to any significant degree could potentially cause the collapse of the US farming base and put most of the “crap-makers” out of business. Instead of good food being beyond the reach of many poor people, getting a hold of any food at all would be difficult for many poor people for the next several years. The exact risk of this happening is unknown, so almost no politician would dare to try it.

The bolded part is true, but the rest is nonsense. Quite a lot of the consequences of various changes
are quite predictable, and while you couldn’t make the change overnight, it could be done with surprising rapidity. Basically, start by underwriting small farmers directly, via combinations of grants and ongoing subsidies (the reasons I mentioned to E.J. above still apply; I wouldn’t suggest removing food subsidies entirely, just structuring them in a more sensible fashion). At the same time, start moving funding from subsidies to producers of staples and into consumer aid programs (food stamps etc.). There’s a lot more fiddly bits, but I’m already practically writing a novel here. It would also help a lot to make all kinds of other economic reforms at the same time, wages and medicine etc, but those are all good ideas anyway. I also have high hopes of the aeroponic garden towers that are starting to crop up, and hold that heavy public investment in their development is a very good idea.

@WWTH

I can walk into a Gap wearing their pants in a size 10 and try on new pants and not even have a 14 fit me the next time. I can take two pair of pants in the same size in any given store into the dressing room and one pair will fit while the other doesn’t.

Oh, yes. It’s bad enough that the sizes are arbitrary, they won’t even make them consistent. Shoes are the same way, IME.

Dalillama
Dalillama
5 years ago

And I borked my quotes and missed the edit window. Dammit.

guy
guy
5 years ago

Depends heavily on where you are, and on what other factors you’re considering. A major one is transportation; in a post-petroleum world (or even a petroleum world with some consideration of real costs), shipping thousands of tons of tomatoes from Lima to London because they can be grown 10 pence a pound cheaper there is not even a little bit cost-effective. It was never efficient, or a good idea.

That’s not universally true. In general, transportation will be one of the smaller components of a life-cycle analysis for environmental impact and energy use. Depending on the local climate, the difference in energy requirements between growing something locally out of season and growing it in its native biome in season can outweigh the energy expense of transporting it halfway across the world. Eating locally can easily be worse if the food isn’t suited to being grown locally.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
5 years ago

I’ve twice in the last 12 mos have a doc blame an injury on my weight when I’ve gone for help. True story about me: I’ll always be fat, but I’m much healthier and less fat (and less depressed) if I exercise regularly. And I like exercise. But I had a mobility limiting injury last May. I had to beg for physio, but the doctor wanted to send me to a nutrionist, insisted on weighing me, etc. He didn’t hide his disgust. I recently did my arm over something that I didn’t think would be an issue. When I went to the doc, she blamed my weight. FFS. I kinda sucked it up when the first doc said that about my ankle as sure, there’s more weight through the ankle. But my arm???? I wasn’t doing a body weight exercise. Neither of these docs asked me what my issue with weight is – or listened when I said I need mobility so I can exercise more.

At least with the arm, I can still hit the gym, even if I can’t do everything I’d like.

dreemr
dreemr
5 years ago

I knew others had to have suffered with health care the way I have, but I really never realized so many have. My heart goes out to all of you, not just my fat compadres but also people who have a hard time meeting the “standard” fitness model in whatever way that might be (can’t keep weight on; mobility issues; etc.).

When it was just me, I don’t know, I guess I just kind of figured I deserved it. It’s funny how, when presented to me from other people, I am MORE outraged than I was when it was just me.

I don’t know what in particular to do about any of it – I did speak to the previous doctor about it, and she denied all of it. I wrote a review of her services online, and discovered other overweight women with PCOS had the same issues with her. I try to tell my current nurse practitioner just how big a difference she has made in my life just by treating me like a person who deserves to be as healthy as I’m able to be.

But I live in a very rural area – we’re lucky to have ANY doctors at all. That makes it difficult to speak up meaningfully and publicly here. I will keep thinking on it, though.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Zer | February 28, 2016 at 8:39 am
Anonymous hacked Roosh Valizadeh account and his blog yesterday:

Enjoy

http://archive.is/UJFeg

Hold on, I just need to bring this up:

Roosh 10:09 am on February 27, 2016
I have been listed on Donald Trumps’s wikipedia page as an official supporter. There’s no way he can lose now.

Because wow.

Mrs. B
Mrs. B
5 years ago

I…can’t even…

My lord, this is sick. Just on so many levels.

Welp. That’s enough net for the day.

Bina
5 years ago

@Bina:

Do you have the pattern for those crocheted octupuses to share? I like those. 😀

Please?

Sadly, no, those aren’t mine…I was just looking for nopetopus pix, and that popped up. But there are all kinds of patterns if you google ’em, and some are even cuter!

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
5 years ago

I have been on both ends of the weight spectrum. When I was severely underweight (dangerously underweight, like needing immediate hospitalization underweight) I was treated a lot better than I am now that I am overweight. I was treated as a sick person who needed help, which I was and still am. Now doctors don’t take my eating disorder seriously and just tell me stuff like, “Oh, just cut back on sugar and exercise at least 30 minutes a day, the weight will come right off since you’re so young,” and even flat-out, “Stop eating so much.” As if that thought had seriously never occurred to me.

*BTW, not all (or even most) underweight or overweight people are sick people, but in my case I was and still am.

And I feel everyone on the clothes/sizing thing. Uh. Shopping for me and having to look in mirrors at the store is hard enough, but then they have to make it even harder by making sizing so complicated. This is why I try to avoid shopping whenever I can, unless I absolutely have to.

Mortarius
Mortarius
5 years ago

I found this one to hilarious to actually be disgusting, its logic is so tortured and sheerly ridiculous on it’s face that I was giggling reading nonsense quotes like:
“Rape is an inherently leftist form of sex”
“Redistributing Nookie”
“there’s no sneakier male than a rapist”

These overshadowed all the super evil garbage for me out of sheer ridiculousness.

Bina
5 years ago

Roosh 10:09 am on February 27, 2016
I have been listed on Donald Trumps’s wikipedia page as an official supporter. There’s no way he can lose now.

There’s just one thing to say to THAT: