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The Honey Badger Brigaders are actually Money Grubbing Weasels, ex-Badger charges

Honey Badger don't care about the Honey Badger Brigade
Honey Badger don’t care about the Honey Badger Brigade

I hope none of you are tired of messy breakup stories, because the one I’m about to tell is one of the messiest yet. It involves the all-female (except for some dudes) gang of irritating antifeminists who call themselves the Honey Badger Brigade.

In telling it, I will do my best to avoid using the phrase “the fur is flying,” because that would be trite and obvious. Here we go:

The fur is flying as ex-Honey Badger Rac … damn it. I’ll start again.

Flying fur was seen in the vicinity of … aw hell.

Through the air the fur … crap.

Some totally non-fur-related metaphor of some sort was involved earlier this week when former Honey Badger Rachel Edwards launched an attack on her ex-comrades for, she said, wasting the hard-earned money given to them by their patrons on self-aggrandizing pseudo-activism and a terrible daily “radio show” that grows more unlistenable by the day.

Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan, the best known of the Badgers, has responded to this critique by calling Edwards a four-letter word that starts with a “c” and rhymes with, well, you know what it rhymes with.

The two have not exactly been the badgerest of friends for some time. Edwards, once one of the Honey Badgers who was neither Karen Straughan nor HBB founder Alison Tieman, left the self-styled “Brigade” quietly last November. Several weeks ago she started sniping at some of the HBB members in posts on Tumblr.

Then, earlier this week, she unleashed a long tirade accusing the group of

profiting off of the ambiguity of [its] mission … making something in the realm of 5,000 dollars a month and not paying the people who put in hours of time a week so that Alison Tieman can get paid to manage money poorly and fail utterly to understand even the most basic business ethics, or even how economics work.

HBB founder Tieman, Edwards complains, is

at best … an ignorant cry bully and at worst a textbook covert narcissist. …

[A]ll of her actions, are not the actions of someone who wants to help men. They are the actions of someone with delusions of grandeur, but who can not make peace with that attention seeking part of herself, and so she’s got to say it’s about men.

Edwards claims that the success, such as it is, of the Honey Badger Radio show is largely the result of what she calls the “natural gynocentrism … in the men’s rights movement.” As Edwards is hardly the first to point out, male MRAs love to hear women recite their own talking points back at them. As Edwards sees it, the Honey Badgers “are saying precisely what MRAs have been saying for years but in a womanly voice.”

As for the Honey Badgers’ most famous accomplishment — getting themselves thrown out of the Calgary Expo, apparently for aligning themselves with the internet harassment squad that calls itself Gamergate — Edwards basically agrees with the HBB’s critics.

Calgary? That was Alison having an excuse to finally have that installation piece she wanted, and to sell her comics. …

I don’t really buy the whole, “Oh my gosh! I didn’t know we’d get kicked out, thing. From Alison.” Because her actions are conflicting here. She set up the comic booth, that says she wants to sell her comics. She sets up the Honey Badger stuff, that says she’s there to protest and be provocative while riding on the coattails of Karen Straughan. The Gamergate Banner, says that she wants to sh*t stir. I on the otherhand was not there to sh*t stir. I was there to help Alison sell t-shirts cause I was under the delusion that she was a nice person.

Edwards complains that the other Honey Badgers never appreciated the hard work she put into the HBB shows. While she diligently did her homework to prepare for the shows, she says, the others more or less just showed up, with Tieman even admitting to her “that she and the others were half-assing their work.”

It took about two years for me to realize just how tragically bad these people were at doing what they do. They are a group of broken people who can barely take care of their own problems let alone those of men. …

[T]his is what happens when you take people who are only good at sh*t stirring, and have them try to manage things like money, the business end of things, and anything particularly detail orientated. …

[I]t’s all bullsh*t, and it’s a sinking ship. Several people have confided in me privately that they are no longer watching the show anymore. Long time listeners are tuning out and everything is hanging by a thread.

Meanwhile, she says,

Milo Yiannopoulos with only his charisma and unapologetic narcissism is doing a better job at this than anyone in the men’s movement. 

The Honey Badger who is Karen Straughan has responded to these accusations with a furious rant of her own, declaring Edwards a liar, a bully,  a “c**t,” and an “ungrateful bitch” who has only “a handful of followers” for her Tumblr blog.

Straughan has evidently been furious at Edwards for some time; her current rant incorporates two angry notes she wrote to Edwards earlier, but held off from sending at the request of the other Badgers — the first written shortly before Edwards left the Honey Badgers, the second after she started complaining about them on her blog.

Straughan is especially irate about Edwards’ accusation that the Honey Badgers — or at least Tieman — are profiting from donations while other Badgers are working for free.

Straughan’s response boils down to: Yeah, well you live with your mom!

As Straughan sees it,

Alison couldn’t run HBR if she wasn’t taking a wage from it, because she doesn’t have her mom there able and willing to put a roof over her head. I couldn’t do what I do without accepting money for it because otherwise I’d be back working 52 hours a week waiting tables.

But I don’t know if you even understand what it’s like to have to support yourself, because you never have.

Straughan returns to this last point again and again, going so far as to attack Edwards for setting up a fundraiser a month ago to help her mother pay her rent.

Meanwhile, Straughan says, the ungrateful Edwards can’t even admit that she herself benefitted from her association with the HBB,

[H]ere you are, having ridden our coattails to some small degree of notoriety, sh*tting on the very people who consistently promoted your work. And gave you free trips to places you would otherwise never have been able to visit, to meet people you would otherwise never be able to meet.

After once again excoriating Edwards at length for her alleged inability to earn a living, Straughan declares herself

disgusted that Alison worked 60 hour weeks to help make it possible for you to sit next to me in a lawn chair on a patio in Victoria and talk about how you don’t want to go back home, and how you hope we can do this again, because all you were going to do with that experience that cost you nothing was wipe your ass with it and wave it in our faces as if somehow we are stealing other people’s money while you were forcefed all that cash.

You ungrateful bitch.

And then it’s back to an even longer rant that mostly centers around Edwards’ alleged living arrangements, which in Straughan’s mind somehow make her ineligible to criticize those who, like Tieman and Straughan, “have bills to pay.” Straughan follows this with:

You f**king c**t. How DARE you? How f**king dare you?

I don’t recall Straughan ever offering similar critiques of Men’s Rights activists like Andrea “JudgyBitch” Hardie, who lives off the income of her husband, or AVFM’s Paul Elam, who has, according to Buzzfeed, relied in the past on a generous girlfriend to pay his bills.

Straughan is an odious person with many terrible beliefs, and I can’t say I have much sympathy for her “argument” here, nor the plainly abusive manner in which she makes it.

I haven’t looked up the numbers for Canada, but here in the US roughly 15% of 25 to 34 year olds live with their parents; it doesn’t invalidate their beliefs — though I suppose it might be mildly risible if, say, one of these mom’s-basement-dwellers were a self-proclaimed alpha male pickup artist and wannabe patriarch who has been known to post photos to Instagram of himself holding a giant wad of cash in and in front of a flashy car.

In any case, the source of someone’s income has very little bearing on whether their ideas are smart or stupid, good or bad. Long-time fans of The Clash may recall several pertinent verses from their rap-inspired song “The Magnificent Seven.”

Karlo Marx and Friedrich Engels

Came to the checkout at the 7-11.

Marx was skint – but he had sense

Engels lent him the necessary pence

This fanciful scene is based on the well-known historical fact that Karl Marx was indeed “skint” — flat broke — for much of his adult life, financing his writing (and barely paying his family’s bills) with considerable help from his decidedly non-skint collaborator Friedrich Engels.

Yep, the prophet of the proletariat paid his rent with regular cash infusions from the son of a wealthy industrialist. Straughan may be better at paying her own bills than Marx was, but somehow I doubt anyone will be discussing her ideas, such as they are, a century (or even ten years) from now.

That said, I’m not sure I agree with the main thrust of Edwards’ critique either. Oh, I don’t doubt that the Honey Badgers are bunch of incompetent narcissistic bullies who accomplish absolutely nothing good for the men they claim to be trying to help.

And, aside from terrorists or perhaps the assorted Republican presidential candidates, there really aren’t a lot of people out there that I think are less deserving of financial support than the Honey Badgers.

But if people with more money than sense want to send some of this money to the Badgers, that’s their right, even if it’s earmarked for a ridiculous court battle that may never happen, so long as the Badgers aren’t lying to them about where the money goes. I think their patrons would get better value for their money by lighting it on fire, or using it as toilet paper (preferably not at the same time), but, hey, it’s their money. (Oh, and it could even be more than Edwards’ estimate of $5000 a month.)

And as for the volunteer labor Tieman is supposedly exploiting? Well, no one is forcing anyone to volunteer. I mean, sure, if I had a “brigade” of other bloggers providing most of the content of this blog, I would feel pretty skeezy if I took all the donations and ad money for myself, but if Alison Tieman can live with herself, I guess it’s not really any of my business.

In the Honey Badger’s recently updated Mission Statement, they make the point again and again that they are “not a charity,” that the money given to them won’t be used to finance anything like a domestic violence shelter for men. Instead, they declare, “our mission is to create content … .”

And this, for better or worse, they do — shoveling out vast heaps of content in the form of daily (except Saturday) “radio” shows of an hour or two in length, in which they apparently discuss a variety of enlightening topics. I say “apparently” because I actually have very little idea what goes on during these shows. For all I know they could be hours-long recordings of people farting in public bathrooms.

Actually, that would be a considerable improvement over the few snippets of the shows I have on occasion forced myself to listen to. Several months ago I tried to listen to one of their “mailbag” episodes; much to my surprise one of the emails they answered had something to do with, well, me, and the assembled Honey Badgers spent several minutes discussing my sex life, or at least what they imagined my sex life to be. Is this a regular feature of their shows? I’m not sure I want to know.

Regardless, I found the Honey Badger discussion edifying — not so much the actual discussion itself, just the fact that there had been a discussion. Up until that point I had never even suspected there was a market out there for weird and completely off-base speculations about my sex life. Maybe I should make an effort to monetize this particular niche myself.

I guess I’ll look into that after this Honey Badger battle with their paddles in a puddle on a noodle-eating poodle is done.

In the meantime, the Honey Badgers’ fans are indulging their own sexual fantasies in public. In the Men’s Rights subreddit, one fan offers this peculiar appreciation of Straughan’s attack on Edwards.

Gazzbang 2 points 16 hours ago Karen Fucking Straughn. Man enough to fuck someone with words, woman enough to restrain herself from engaging in verb-onuclear combat when provoked. She's like a dildo that high fives you once you've come. Fu...filling emotionally and physically? Shit. Didn't think this metaphor through. HBB is comprised of inspiring people and goddammit I'm glad they're around. Alison,if you see this, Karen baring her teeth for you here is why I'm becoming a patron. Karen if you see this, you are like a metaphorical Hannibal Lecter dissecting and consuming people's arguments.

I guess this is how the Honey Badger Brigade pays its bills.

 

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msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
8 years ago

@Chiomara

….Dooooo Eeeeetttt. That way I can do some back and forth on why your new MRA status is great and everyone should be one and immediately turn it around into why you’re totally wrong and wonder out loud “How could she do this!? And for only money!? She should have held out for cash *and* a house wrested from beta ownership!”

But $5000 isn’t all that much in the grand scheme of things. It might solve current problems, sure, but there are always things that happen in life and cost money. Better to demand at least $100,000 and invest at least half. 😉

Moggie
Moggie
8 years ago

Since real Honey Badgers famously don’t give a shit, and here you see them very much giving numerous shits, it’s clear that they’re misnamed. They’re more like Drama Llamas.

Orion (New Computer)
Orion (New Computer)
8 years ago

Also, how does “you live with your mom so you don’t need money” square with “you’re so pathetic you turned to begging to try to pay your mm’s rent?”

theladyinsomnia
theladyinsomnia
8 years ago

@freemage your comment inspired me to paste one of the linked posts into a markov text generator

It didn’t change much 🙁

Chiomara
Chiomara
8 years ago

I am also very young and I am white passing. Behold, for I am the new…
What’s the name of that blonde woman who was doing a documentary on mras and got suddenly forgotten?
Okay, I don’t look THAT white, but I can dye and straighten my hair a bit.

I sometimes wish I lacked morals enough to actually do the stuff I jokingly plan. I could pretend I am an MRA, I am a Mormon, I could pretend I liked a rich man and get a “sugar daddy”, but I instead wish to be sincere, which, as crazy as it sounds, doesn’t offer so many advantages. (obs: I don’t think ANY less of people who are paid to date other people, as long as both parts consent. I just personally can’t do it.)

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
8 years ago

OTD better not show up in this thread. He promised he wouldn’t.

Should I listen to a full week’s worth of Honey Badger Radio and report on the highlights? Vote yes/no below.

brooked
brooked
8 years ago

Milo Yiannopoulos with only his charisma and unapologetic narcissism is doing a better job at this than anyone in the men’s movement.

That’s some spot on truth telling from whomever the hell this lady is.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

Hey IP, did your Otter’s thing; brilliant! Loved it and the work sounds intriguing.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
8 years ago

@Alan

Great! 🙂

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

Don’t do it, IP. Your cats will miss you.

Newt
Newt
8 years ago

IP: perhaps a few of us should share the load? Watch one installment each, then compare notes.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
8 years ago

I pasted the first two paragraphs of this text into the n+7 generator (http://www.spoonbill.org/n+7/). The n+1 translation came out like this:

I hopeful none of you are tired of messy breakup storybooks, because the one I’m about to tell is one of the messiest yet. It involves the all-feminist (except for some duels) gangplank of irritating antifeminists who call themselves the Honeybee Baffle Brigadier.

In telly it, I will do my best to avoid using the physical “the furl is flying,” because that would be trite and obvious. Here we go

Honeybee Baffle Brigadier!

Also, the n+12 translation of Men Going Their Own Way is “Man-Eaters Going Their Own Weatherman”.

In other news, I have barely moved today.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
8 years ago

@Newt

Not like there’s a lack of material to choose from. :p

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

Phew-y poo for poo-ey spewing!
That’s what that Doo-Goose is doing.
Do you choose to spew poo, too, ma’am?
If, ma’am, you, ma’am, choose to spew, ma’am,
with the Doo-Goose, spew, ma’am.
Doo, ma’am.

Margaret Pless
Margaret Pless
8 years ago

@DavidFutrelle –

Don’t forget that Straughan in particular also has a personal Patreon account, which as of today is getting $644/mo. Once you account for Patreon’s 10% cut, that Straughan directly earns ~580/mo.

If Straughan also gets a cut from the HBB General Patreon, it could be enough to allow Straughan to stop working. And of course she did say:

I couldn’t do what I do without accepting money for it because otherwise I’d be back working 52 hours a week waiting tables.

Which tells me Straughan’s working at most part-time.

In fact it seems like every HB has got a Patreon account – Edwards has one, Tieman has two (one for her webcomic, and one for the main HBB Patreon), Sage Gerard has one, the guy who edits/does production work for HBB Radio has one – that’s all of the HBB who went to Calgary, I think.

Indeed, the only difference between Edwards’ Patreon and Straughan’s is that Straughan’s getting a good chunk of cash whereas Edwards earns $1 per creation from one backer.

Also (I think you’ll find this funny) – Dean Esmay has a Patreon which currently has 0 backers. Paul Elam has two pretty unsuccessful Patreons: one for An Ear for Men, and another for A Voice for Men. Janet Bloomfield has a Patreon currently earning $19 per video specifically so she can buy that damn crossbow.

So literally every HB and AVFMer whose name I can spell seems to be soliciting donations this way – just Tieman and Straughan are successful and most are not.

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
8 years ago

Is it just me or is there a huge increase in hilarious manosphere break ups lately? Theories on why this is?

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
8 years ago

@NicolaLuna

Probably because people are getting frustrated with the “movement”. It’s clearly not going anywhere or accomplishing anything, and I think this is becoming obvious even to MRAs. A common theme in all these fights is that they all accuse each other of being incompetent, corrupt, lying, impopular, etc. They’re trying to blame the failure of their movement on each other.

Cerulean (Miss A)
Cerulean (Miss A)
8 years ago

In the Honey Badger’s recently updated Mission Statement, they make the point again and again that they are “not a charity,” that the money given to them won’t be used to finance anything like a domestic violence shelter for men. Instead, they declare, “our mission is to create content … .”

Why not? If they’re so vocally for helping men, why wouldn’t they take the money and try building a shelter for men? Or donate it to some sort of legal fund to help men? Anyone with a computer, a mic, and an internet connection can create content; what makes the HBB so special?

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Is it just me, or is it a little messed up that GWW most likely knew of Edwards’ money troubles and her mom’s situation, and seemingly didn’t do a damn thing to help, and is now using it as ammunition to snipe at Edwards and try to smack her back down?

Honestly, I don’t think it matters if the HBB paid for some of Edwards’ expenses for volunteering, because they’re most likely the ones who arranged everything and asked her to help, or asked her to go.

If Edwards’ is volunteering all this time to help out with the HBB and giving them so much, she should have been paid for it, especially if they’re making 5K a month, and Straughn is making money from her YouTubing as well.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Imaginary Petal | February 26, 2016 at 1:16 pm
@NicolaLuna

Probably because people are getting frustrated with the “movement”. It’s clearly not going anywhere or accomplishing anything, and I think this is becoming obvious even to MRAs. A common theme in all these fights is that they all accuse each other of being incompetent, corrupt, lying, impopular, etc. They’re trying to blame the failure of their movement on each other.

Well, that’s usually what happens when you expect everyone else to do the work for you.

Literally every single manospherian group we’ve heard of has stated (openly) that their job isn’t to “do activism”, but rather kvetch at feminists for not doing the activism for them. AVfM, HBB, MGTOW, PUAs, none of these groups do anything that can remotely look like activism. They all just kind of sit around on the internet and air their grievances with women, and on occasion do a meet-up.

They don’t want men’s shelters, they don’t want men to get better access to mental health, they don’t want draft equality. They just want to yell at women on the internet about how they should be getting right on this or else they’re vile feminist harpies and [gendered slurs].

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
8 years ago

@PI

I think these kinds of arguments between MRAs prove that the manosphere isn’t a community where people look out for one another and take care of each other. It always comes back to fighting over money and taking cheap shots at whatever personal information they found out about each other when they were on friendly terms. This is what happens when bitter, selfish people attempt to work together.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
8 years ago

@Paradoxical @Petal

Yeah, you’re expecting actual empathy from MRAs, plus them realizing that just because it’s their idea doesn’t mean they should get all the money, especially if they aren’t doing most of the work.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

@Paradoxy:
It’s not just you and it’s a lot messed up. It’s telling that when Straughan was annoyed she descended right to the worst level she could find.

Dark Statistic
Dark Statistic
8 years ago

Yay, a new feud!

*updates poll options*