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“White heterosexual men really have it quite bad these days,” Men’s Rights Redditor laments

The time for celebrating is over, white people!
The time for celebrating is over, white people!

So a judge in Ontario has said “nuh-uh” to a deceased doctor’s plan, set forth in his will, to set up scholarships for straight, white, single students.

As the National Post reports:

[Dr. Victor] Priebe’s will asked the trustee to set up bursaries for students planning studies in science …

It said one should be directed to “Caucasian (white), male, single, heterosexual students,” while the other should be reserved for a “hard-working, single Caucasian white girl who is not feminist or lesbian.” …

There were other odd stipulations, too, such as that the male bursary should not go to anyone who plays inter-collegiate sports, and that the recipient should ideally demonstrate “they are not afraid of hard manual work in their selection of summer employment.”

But the judge, a known woman by the name of Alissa Mitchell, says she can’t let something so blatantly discriminatory to stand.

Naturally, the good folks in the Men’s Rights subreddit are outraged by this assault on all that is good and decent.

“I am a white heterosexual single male, and I quite like myself that way,” a fellow calling himself CompayViejo declared, in a comment that got more than a dozen upvotes.

And I associate with other white heterosexual single males, and I generally think my friends are really a great bunch of people to be around. Does that make me racist and homophobic too?

Although we’d really have to read the guy’s entire will for an informed opinion, it’s just harrowing that nowadays, apparently you’re a racist homophobe just because you want to do something for a certain defined section of society after your death. … 

Men, white heterosexual men, really have it quite bad these days in many Western “civilized” countries and are increasingly being marginalized. In a world like that, if you really think that scholarships for white heterosexual men are against the interest of the state, then that’s just pathetic.

Maybe this video will help.

H/T — r/againstmensrights

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guy
guy
4 years ago

Why did the will require a heterosexual man but permitted the woman to be bisexual?

Wait, never mind, I know this one.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

“HOW COME WE AREN’T BEING SPECIFICALLY CATERED TO?! ALL OF SOCIETY CATERS TO US ALREADY, SO WHY CAN’T WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT CATERS TO US?! WHY CAN’T WE BE ALLOWED TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE WHO AREN’T AFFORDED THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES THAT I HAVE THAT ARE GRANTED TO ME SOLELY ON MY WHITE, CISHET, MALE VIRTUES?! MISANDRY! REVERSE RACISM! HETEROPHOBIA! ALL THE FEMINAZIS WANT US TO CHANGE WHO WE ARE BUT I LIKE BEING TREATED LIKE I’M THE ONLY TRUE PERSON IN THE WORLD!”

guy | February 24, 2016 at 5:12 pm
Why did the will require a heterosexual man but permitted the woman to be bisexual?

Wait, never mind, I know this one.

Because the straights (and quite a few gay people, unfortunately) have this weird idea in their heads that bisexual/pansexual people are figments of the imagination, and thus we don’t exist.

(I can see that you might be pointing out the cishet dude’s odd love of girls who ‘swing both ways’, but, let’s face it, that guy most likely doesn’t know or care we exist.)

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

So hang on. The woman’s scholarship can go to a bi-, pan- or asexual woman as long as she isn’t a feminist; while the man’s scholarship can only go to a heterosexual man but he can be as feminist as he likes? Why this distinction?

Oh wait, I know. It’s because of penises, isn’t it? The woman has to like penises whereas the man can’t like them, because anything else might scare Dr Priebe’s penis. Likewise, men can have opinions but a woman having them is horrible.

Wow, what a pleasant person Dr Priebe was. I mean, on top of being a racist and a homophobe he’s also got some nasty gender issues to unpack there.

ETA: Ninja’d by guy and Paradoxy.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Question for people who know more theory than I do: would it be appropriate to hold a Pink Mass for Dr Priebe?

Moocow
4 years ago

“How dare you prevent this guy from exercising blatant racial discrimination!”

What a massive persecution complex. And this part is downright hilarious:

Although we’d really have to read the guy’s entire will for an informed opinion, it’s just harrowing that nowadays, apparently you’re a racist homophobe just because you want to do something for a certain defined section of society after your death. …

Um yeah, “doing something for a certain defined section of society after your death” could absolutely get you labeled as a racist homophobe.

The worst human beings of all time were all ‘doing something for a certain defined section of society’ (albeit mostly while they were alive)

George SJW Bush
George SJW Bush
4 years ago

Aww, ain’t that precious. Whitey, I don’t think you get it–this ain’t like the old days where just being born gets you a participation ribbon–along with all the resources. They take and they take and they take and they take and they take and they take and they take and they take, and it won’t stop.

ThatBear
ThatBear
4 years ago

“We really have it quite bad” = “Why do stupid ‘minorities’ get all the attention, won’t anyone feel sorry for me?”

Bina
4 years ago

Although we’d really have to read the guy’s entire will for an informed opinion, it’s just harrowing that nowadays, apparently you’re a racist homophobe just because you want to do something for a certain defined section of society after your death.

Oh yes, it’s simply terrible to be branded by what you really are when you dare to whip it out and show it to the world before pissing on your alma mater in your will, innit?

My heart bleeds.

PS: Don’t forget sexist, dude, because asking a woman not to be a feminist is sexist as fuck.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

White people hate affirmative action*. Unless it’s for them, of course.

No, seriously.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/08/13/white-definitions-merit-and-admissions-change-when-they-think-about-asian-americans

* Yes I know, this proposed scholarship isn’t technically affirmative action, but near enough for the point to stand as it’s about white people hating POC getting a leg up but don’t want a “meritocracy” for themselves.

invivoMark
invivoMark
4 years ago

Re: “heterosexual man” vs. “not lesbian”:

There’s so much to unpack here. I wonder if this says something about the deceased Dr. Dudebro’s views on agency. Like, a man can choose to be upstanding and straight, and a woman just falls into a category.

Or, perhaps more likely, it’s just that men get the “positive” qualifier of being straight, while women just aren’t “marred” with the defect of being gay.

I dunno. Sexist as fuck, tho.

erica, ascendant
4 years ago

As usual, white MRAssholes having a snit when it can’t be all about them, because the very basic tenet of the MRM is identical to the KKK: the idea that the white man is supposed to rule the world.

Sure, most MRAssholes don’t use the Bible as their justification (though the worst of the worst, like Barnes and Price, do), but they use a messed up concept of “science” instead generally. You know, science that is often thoroughly debunked, or doesn’t pass peer review. I do believe here in the real world that’s not science at all.

So, yeah, Klan rhetoric, Klan ideals, why don’t we just real-talk and mention the MRBM for what it is: the modern KKK?

Dalillama
Dalillama
4 years ago

@EJ

Likewise, men can have opinions but a woman having them is horrible.

I think in this case it’s more that Priebe didn’t think that there are any male feminists, thus didn’t bother to exclude them.

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

White heterosexual men have it so tough. So, maybe technically they win the majority of overall scholarships. But shouldn’t there also be scholarships that only they can win?

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

It’s not faaaaiiiiiiiirrrr!!!!! I already have all the privilege in the world but I want moooooorrreeee!!! Quit trying to make life easier for those stupid lazy minorities, they don’t even deserve it like my ultra-white straight kingly superior self does!!!! If you don’t give me even more privileges than I already have that’s reverse racism!!! Waaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cry me a motherfucking river.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

@David: Of course they have been. We’re so worried about boys’ education that we tell girls they can’t dress in a certain way (lest we give the boys *gasp* erections, I don’t care if it’s 90 degrees Fahrenheit, you can’t show off your legs by wearing shorts, what if the boys lose control?!) and remove them from class so they don’t distract the boys with their uncovered knees, the little tarts!

Girls/women have to work twice as hard as most men do when it comes to education just to constantly prove we “deserve” to be there, under shitty rules and conditions designed to keep us complacent to the menz, where men just have to show up a lot of the time.

In other news: GamerGate is trying to claim responsibility for Deadpool doing well.

A movie about a pansexual anti-hero who casually talks about being pegged because he likes it and dates a sex worker and doesn’t make a big deal out of it or tries to control her sexuality or say she has to stop so he can ‘save’ her, and who, in canon, has hit on Thor, Captain America, Cable (Marvel even talks about CablePool in terms of marriage, and has stated that the two have been divorced for quite some time), and (especially) Spiderman, and who has a pretty fluid gender identity.

And GG thinks it’s because of them that it’s doing as well as it’s doing.

Silly fake fanbois.

guy
guy
4 years ago

wwth, I’ve read articles suggesting that college admissions folks have been quietly bending the rules a bit for years and letting in guys with lower scores than gals in order to try to bring up the percentage of guys in college

Probably not actually breaking the rules because the admissions rules tend to be pretty vague and people can absolutely get in instead of people who have higher scores than they do by the rules. Which of course means that it’s difficult to prove anything when gender does influence an admissions decision.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

I doubt the Dr. meant to ok scholarships for bisexual women. He probably thinks bisexual women are really lesbians.

Or they’re really straight and only do girl on girl stuff in front of the menz so as to please their boners.

Bina
4 years ago

wwth, I’ve read articles suggesting that college admissions folks have been quietly bending the rules a bit for years and letting in guys with lower scores than gals in order to try to bring up the percentage of guys in college

[racist]

But affirmative action is wrooooooong!!!

[/racist]

No, seriously: When did dudes EVER need affirmative action? Because PENIS? My mind, it boggleth, yea verily.

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

When did dudes EVER need affirmative action? Because PENIS?

1. Protective Cups
2. …

iknklast
iknklast
4 years ago

“I am a white heterosexual single male, and I quite like myself that way,”

And I am a white, heterosexual married woman, and I quite like myself that way. Which is relevant to nothing except my own happiness, and does not make me any better (or any worse) than anyone else. No one, absolutely no one, is telling him he can’t be that way (or me that I can’t be the way I am). They are merely saying he doesn’t get any special perks for being that way.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Dlouwe

As any female Krav enthusiast will tell you, you can get groin protectors for women; and they’re pretty essential.

Bina
4 years ago

you can get groin protectors for women; and they’re pretty essential.

No shit. Being kicked in the clit hurts about as much as anything can, shy of a broken pelvis. (And I’ve suffered both, so I know.)

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

Fair points, both. I couldn’t think of a succinct enough joke to make about wind resistance. 🙁

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Bina

Possible TMI warning

We had one couple train with us. One time the guy had dropped his mrs with a well aimed knee. Rolling around the floor and through gritted teeth she just piped up “How come you can’t find that spot when we’re at home!”

Pony's Labia
Pony's Labia
4 years ago

Almost all universities where I live have lowered entrance requirements. Why? Money. Educating stupid people is profitable. I couldn’t get into a decent uni when I graduated because I didn’t meet language requirements-at the time you needed a grade 12 language that was not English. University used to be about higher education, no shit. Now it’s profit. I think everyone who wants to go should be able to, but if EVERYONE goes then it devalues a degree. A bachelor’s degree is nothing these days, you need at least a masters to be taken seriously in your field. It’s a total trap, people flock to it, force their unsuitable children into it at great cost with the hope and expectation that the wages earned after that effort will be worthwhile. Not so. And , universities across North America make it nearly impossible to get full time, tenured work as they pay associates a pittance. It’s a bad scene all around. Anyways, I’m just rambling at work .

darkstatistic
darkstatistic
4 years ago

“Educating stupid people is profitable.”

Pony’s Labia: That’s the thing, though. As long as people associate “stupid” with “not suited for university” there will be a lot of people trying to get into university who would be happier pursuing other education. I work at a technical college and those folks ain’t dumb, but there’s just not the same status as having a university degree.

Meanwhile, we associate literacy with intelligence in a way that’s not really accurate, so we think that someone who reads books for four years has to be smarter than someone who does hands-on, applied research. That’s just not the case. So, basically, we drive people into university whether they want it or not. Like you said, an undergrad isn’t much to crow about these days. Meanwhile, we keep that snooty stigma against skilled trades or “mere” technicians.

Anyway. It’s really not a useful word, “stupid”; it says more about class and a very narrow skill set than ability. “Gullible,” or “status-seeking” might be better words in that sentence. 😛

darkstatistic
darkstatistic
4 years ago

That comment is a mess and I’ve missed the editing window. Whoops. I have an honor’s degree and all… XD

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

I think everyone who wants to go should be able to, but if EVERYONE goes then it devalues a degree. A bachelor’s degree is nothing these days, you need at least a masters to be taken seriously in your field.

Although I agree with you that the credential arms race is both a thing and damaging, the solution is not to make college extra-exclusive again. Recall that exclusive higher education runs to the advantage of the already-privileged, especially white and male privilege, but also socioeconomic privilege (which are, of course, not fully independent conditions). That privilege effect is still in place, although it takes other forms, such as requiring students to do internships or volunteer work in order to demonstrate their maturity and responsibility. Only the already-privileged can afford to work for free, or have the connections to land a paid internship.

For instance, if you need a grade 12 foreign language to get into a good school, where does that put young people who dropped out of school for whatever reason and got alternate high school diplomas?

It’s not that too many people are going to college. It’s that our society has sold itself the lie that the key to success is a college degree. Weak unions mean low wages for people without degrees (not that unions are perfect; they have their own racist and misogynist failings). Poor worker protections mean that Wal-Mart is free to crush down compensation while while raking in epic profits, and discrimination remains consequence-free.

A living wage would be a good start, but it’s only a start. Regulation of capitalism needs to change, and also people also need the freedom to fail. I would change social welfare in the United States and just get rid of almost all of it (pretty much everything except Medicaid) and replace it with government-run barracks that provide basic housing, food, and necessaries that are open and free to anyone without requiring any proof of need. Kind of like the military, but without the military component. It would give everyone a fallback position if shit gets real and provide folks with room to fail without lifelong consequences.

Then you’d see, I think, people going to college because they want to learn things, rather than as a means to a living wage.

darkstatistic
darkstatistic
4 years ago

Good points, Policy of Madness. It’s a complex issue.

I do think that a part of it is learning to value different educations though. Around here, it takes at least four years to be certified as a journeyman tradesman, for instance. Why is that not as prestigious as a four year college degree? You learn differently — more hands-on, less reading — and you learn different things — heavy on practice, lighter on theory. But why is one better than the other? Society needs both thinkers and doers, surely.

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

Yeah, while I’m only 2/3 of those, I’m still gonna have to call bullshit, I don’t exactly feel like I’m getting shafted because the system isn’t as blatantly rigged in my favour as it used to be.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

We’re so worried about boys’ education that we tell girls they can’t dress in a certain way (lest we give the boys *gasp* erections, I don’t care if it’s 90 degrees Fahrenheit, you can’t show off your legs by wearing shorts, what if the boys lose control?!) and remove them from class so they don’t distract the boys with their uncovered knees, the little tarts!

This brought back a memory I wish could have remained locked away, but since it’s resurfaced, I’ll share. Back in high school there was this super skeevy guy who thought he was popular with the ladies and would relentlessly try to hit on the prettier ones. I remember one day he wore these shorts that were incredibly short, without anything under them, and he kept getting girls’ attention to show them his [insert clever euphemism here] sticking right through the leg hole. Of course nothing wrong with that in the dress code, and attempts to report him were ignored, but the girls weren’t allowed to wear tank tops (the boys were allowed to wear tank tops, of course).

Now I need some kind of brain shower.

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

@kupo

I think I’m gonna be sick. Just…fucking wow.

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Policy of Madness @darkstatistic – where I live (Quebec), university is fairly cheap, at least compared to other provinces and certainly compared to the US. I have noticed that university degrees don’t seem to be as valued in the job market here as job experience, but it’s a bit of a catch-22 when you need a certain degree to get job experience in the first place. At the same time, the more “technical” schools such as Ecole Polytechnique and ETS are quite well respected.

As an aside, many people from outside the province who aren’t engineers only remember the name “Polytechnique” from the 1989 antifeminist murders. It’s somewhat jarring when I think that’s where a couple of our engineering tutors (at my workplace) are doing their degree, and then compare that with all the associations people have.

In Ontario, the other place I’ve lived on this earth, “colleges” are considered lower-status than universities. They offer degrees as well as certificates, but usually in 2-3-year programs instead of 4-year ones. (Someone more familiar with this can correct me if I’m wrong.)

Anyway, it’s a shame that there often seems to be a ranking placed on type of education. Of course, more education or experience in a particular area usually means people will be better at said thing… but it doesn’t have to be just traditional university education. A PhD candidate I know said something like, “I don’t respect people simply for having a PhD. It just shows they were able to stick with doing the same thing for a long time.”

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Dr. Victor Priebe seems to have been unacquainted with the fact that at one time colleges were closed to women. It took pioneering feminists to change that.

Up until the early 1970s, my own college–a public university, supported by taxes–admitted only one third women. Other colleges had similar quotas for women. The solution? Lawsuits.

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
4 years ago

Legacy admissions are also a thing at a lot of colleges in the US, particularly Ivy League schools. You get preferential consideration if you’re the child of an alumnus which obviously skews heavily toward white people.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

I take it none of the whiny dipshits in that thread noticed the link in the friggin’ article about a judge in the very same province using the very same law to strike down a black man’s will for being bigoted against his own mixed-race grandson, proving that the law is completely equal?

Of course not. It doesn’t support their narrative.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Awwwww, poor puddin.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@PolicyOfMadness:
As you say, the problem isn’t university; the problem is competition between people for a fixed number of “more comfortable” positions in society. It’s a sort of predatory Lake Wobegon effect: in the rush to make sure that we’re above average, we trample into meaninglessness the very concept of “average.”

I like your idea of a free minimum level of life; in my mind that’s what a good welfare state would be. Do you know if any studies have been done on the affordability and the economic impact of such a thing? I know some economics, but I’m painfully out of my depth when it comes to ideas like that.

DS
DS
4 years ago

Dear, sweet, precious, adorable, wonderful Paradoxical Intention,

You will always be the cheeseburger slut for me. Beyond this, words fail me and I can only sqeeeee. <3

Sincerely,

Everyone Smart

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
4 years ago

Aww I’m so sad for him. The odds are stacked in his favour and now those meanie meaniepants SJWs want to stop things being *even more* stacked in his favour.

How could we? It’s like we’re monsters or something.

It is just so sooper dooper hard to be a white, heterosexual, able bodied, cis man these days. No legal slavery, fewer subservient women and now there are no scholarships available to only him. He’ll have to actually work his ass off like everyone else. It’s so unfair. Waaaaah!

MissEB47
MissEB47
4 years ago

Wow! That is a classic ‘the feminazi stole my icecream!!!!’ scenario if there ever was one! What an over privileged little man baby. It never ceases to astound me when the most privileged complain about being hard done by less privileged individuals finally being given a fair go. It’s pathetic.

Kupo-Eewwwwwwwwww!!!!!! The fact he was allowed to continue doing that shows how fucked up and sexist school dress codes are. Just eeewww!

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
4 years ago

I don’t quite get this scholarship thing. Aren’t they very often reserved for some particular demographic. How is that not discrimination?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@kupo:
That’s disgusting. That man not only has no class, but also sounds like he’s got no self-respect or respect for anyone else either. Ewww.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
4 years ago

Obviously it didn’t occur to Dr. Priebe that a man might be feminist. Also, “not lesbian or feminist” is easier to write than “heterosexual who is not a feminist”.

Obviously trans people or people with non-binary gender or sexuality are also not a consideration. Imagine if an applicant was a hetero transsexual person.

“Single” might be interpreted as “not married” but Priebe probably meant “committed to not marrying or dating intimately until it’s time to have children”. Although it shouldn’t be too difficult for gays to fake heterosexuality, if you must not date openly anyway.

Also, no religious requirement? I suspect Priebe was the sort of casually Christian conservative who thinks religion is not an issue among white people because “everyone” is Christian.

And no inter-collegiate sports? Someone had a grudge with “jocks”.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@Arctic Ape:

Also, no religious requirement? I suspect Priebe was the sort of casually Christian conservative who thinks religion is not an issue among white people because “everyone” is Christian.

That, or he thinks Jews aren’t white.

Digression geekery:

Interestingly, the term “caucasian” was brought into American political circles for precisely this reason. In the nineenth century the phrase “white” was defined to exclude Italian, Hispanic and Jewish people (and sometimes even Irish.) Later writers such as Carleton Coon realised that in order to prop up the mechanism of a racist society it was necessary to extend privilege to these ethnic groups. Rather than drop or redefine the word “white”, they picked the word “caucasian” from relatively obscure nineteenth-century taxonomy and used it to refer to the new, wider class of privileged people.

To someone who believes in this sort of early-to-mid-20th-century American usage of the words, Jewish people are not white but are caucasian. Then again, people who believe in this sort of thing would also insist that Mr Obama is a “mulatto”, so fuck them.

This is also why the phrase “caucasian” is far less commonly used in Europe (and is presumably not often used in the Caucasius mountains themselves, whose inhabitants include large numbers of Chechen, Iranian, Azeri and Turkish Muslims.)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

The male student has to be planning to major in science (because only men can STEM, obvs) but “not afraid of hard manual work in their selection of summer employment”. So the ideal candidate would be a software engineer who spends summers doing road construction or working on a fishing boat? Yup, that sounds like solid preparation for a science career. Especially for the not-athletically-inclined.

Well, by gum, it was good enough for Grandpappy! Young college whippersnappers today just don’t appreciate character building.

Rosie*sings*
Rosie*sings*
4 years ago

Keep it classy, Ontario. Let’s hear it for activist judges! 😀

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Yes, white heterosexual men have it quite bad indeed these days.

Here in the USA, take a look at Congress. Not a white heterosexual man (WHM) in that august body. No WHMs on the Supreme Court. No governors are WHMs. No WHM movie stars, athletes, or rock stars.

Last hired, first fired: Such is the fate of the luckless WHM in the USA.

Internationally, there are no WHM heads of state, even in Europe, land of white people. No WHM inventors, theologians, or authors.

I understand that Queen Elizabeth’s husband is known as Prince Philip. But she gave him that title and can just as easily take it away.