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Roosh Threatens to Sue Blogger Who Told The Story of a Woman Accusing Him of Rape

Roosh at a Ukrainian cafe
Roosh at a Ukrainian cafe

Ten days ago, author ​S. Jane Gari wrote an explosive blog post (which I wrote about here) about the now notorious pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh. In the post Gari relayed what she said was the story of an Icelandic woman who claims that Roosh raped her several years ago after following her home from a Reykjavik bar.

Now Roosh is threatening to sue Gari for defamation, claiming that the story Gari tells is “completely fabricated” and suggesting that the accuser herself, whom Gari calls “Susan,” may be nothing more than a figment of Gari’s imagination. In a post on his website Return of Kings, Roosh not only denies raping “Susan,” he declares flatly that he’s never “[f]ollow[ed] a girl home.”

As Roosh tells it,

[t]his is not a case of a girl I know making up an encounter, but a girl who I’ve never met and who I believe doesn’t even exist inventing a situation after skimming through publicly available excerpts of Bang Iceland.

In a letter evidently sent to Gari, and later posted on Return of Kings, Roosh’s lawyer, Marc Randazza, declares “Susan’s” story as “a complete work of fiction” adding later that

The story on its surface does not even sound credible. There is no possibility that if you examined this story with any amount of rigor, that you could believe it to be true.

These denials — from Roosh and from his lawyer — strike me as frankly bizarre.

The story that Gari tells, and that Randazza evidently deems so incredible, matches in most of its key details a story that Roosh tells in his book Bang Iceland, and which is also posted on his blog.

Roosh’s claim that he’s never followed a “girl” home is even more bizarre, because in Roosh’s version of the story he describes in detail how he followed this “girl” home.

In an excerpt from Bang Iceland posted on his blog, Roosh describes how he approached a drunken woman outside of a Reykjavik bar after her

friends had ditched her and left her all by her lonesome. She desperately looked for them, fiddling with her phone, but they were all gone. I couldn’t believe my luck.

“I guess I’ll walk you home,” I said. She didn’t say anything. Once she started walking I followed her.

Roosh doesn’t know the woman; by his account he had “barely exchanged three words with her” on a previous evening. Unsurprisingly, the woman makes clear she doesn’t want his “help.”

“Fuck you!” she said. “You don’t have to walk me home!”

But Roosh continues on anyway. As they make their way to her house, Roosh writes,

She kept telling me to leave and I kept saying it was my duty as a man to make sure she got home safe.

When they get to her house, Roosh insists he needs to use her bathroom; she says “yeah, whatever,” and lets him in.

Remember, this is Roosh’s account I’m relaying here, not “Susan’s.” I have no idea how Roosh squares his account of following a “girl” home with his current claim that he’s never followed a “girl” home. 

What’s makes this claim even more remarkable is that he has written numerous times before about following women.

In his book 30 Bangs, a collection of Roosh’s putatively true sex stories, he describes two instances in which he followed (or tried to follow) women into taxicabs. In one account he says that when the taxicab a woman called arrived, he “hopped in with her like a stray dog.” In another account, he describes how he tried to follow a different woman “into the cab without her permission, but she was too quick for me and escaped into the darkness.”

Following women isn’t just something that Roosh sometimes does; it’s actually one of the key “techniques” he teaches his readers. In Day Bang, in which Roosh lays out his strategies for meeting women in the daytime, Roosh urges men to “trail behind” attractive women they see walking down the street.

The best method for street approaching is to pick a street with medium traffic, hide behind a bush or utility pole, and then emerge from your spot to start following any cute girl that walks by until she hits a Don’t Walk signal.

While she’s waiting to cross the street, you see, she is a captive audience for whatever pickup like you want to try on her.

Roosh offers similar advice on his blog, telling his readers that “[w]hen a cute girl walks by, follow her until she hits a Don’t Walk signal. This may take a few blocks of stalking.”

In another post on his blog, Roosh declares that “[s]ometimes the best way to get into a girl’s place is to say nothing and just follow her in.”

And while we’re talking about Roosh’s standard operating procedures, Roosh regularly uses the excuse of having to use the bathroom as a way to get into a woman’s house or apartment. He describes this “bathroom weasel technique” in some detail in his book Bang, and uses it so often that it becomes something of a running joke in his later works.

In Roosh’s post responding to, and flatly denying, the accusations set forth in Gari’s post, he makes several other blanket denials that are similarly problematic. 

In an attempt to rebut “Susan’s” story, in which she claims Roosh raped her after determining that she was home alone, Roosh declares that he’s never had “sex in an Icelandic girl’s home while she was alone.”

But in Roosh’s version of “Susan’s” story, he simply assumed that her parents were in the house with her, sleeping — even though she was acting as if they weren’t.

She was talking loud, as if no one was home, but I did notice a shut door that I assumed was her parents’ bedroom.

The next morning, in Roosh’s account, he snuck out of the house shortly after waking up “in case her parents woke up early.” But at no point did he ever encounter the parents, and the woman he says he had consensual sex with never mentions them being in the house either.

In “Susan’s’ account of that night, as described by Gari, she says that shortly before raping her, he asked her to touch his penis. When she refused, Roosh grabbed her.

In his Return of Kings post, Roosh says he’s never asked “a woman to ‘touch my penis.'”

Perhaps, but in his book Bang, Roosh describes something he calls the “hand-on-crotch move, the most important bedroom move we have.” This “move” is as straightforward as it sounds. Roosh explains:

At this point you have been doing most of the touching, but what you want to do now is open the floodgates and give her permission to be the sexual being that she really is. When one of her hands is near your waist, gently grab it and place it right on your cock over your clothes.

This is evidently a move Roosh uses on a fairly regular basis. In Poosy Paradise, his latest collection of putatively true sex stories, he describes one encounter in which he made use of this not-so-subtle technique,

“I’m tired,” I said. “Let’s lay on the bed.” After a couple minutes I did the move. It’s the best move I have and I remember when and where I learned it 13 years before. I grabbed her hand and gently placed it on my penis, as if setting a teacup on its saucer.

Several pages later, Roosh recounts how he used the exact same technique on another woman, complete with the same phony complaint about feeling tired:

“I’m a little tired,” I said. “I want to lay down.” I lay on my bed and told her to join me. She did with her shoes hanging over the side. I kissed her and then unzipped the boots and took them off. She did not resist. Then I put her hand on my dick, and within five minutes that dick was inside her.

Elsewhere in the same book Roosh describes how he “tried to press my boner into [yet another woman’s] body but through our coats I don’t think she felt it.”

So it may well be technically true that Roosh has never asked a woman to touch his penis. By his own account, he prefers to place a women’s hand on his penis without asking first,

In “Susan’s” account, as told by Gari, she started crying after Roosh grabbed her, but her tears did not convince Roosh to back off.

In his Return of Kings post, Roosh claims that he’s never attempted “to make physical advances on a crying girl.”

Perhaps, but in 30 Bangs, Roosh describes how he has sex with a reluctant young woman who whimpered the whole time.

After dinner we went upstairs and I eased her onto my king-size bed. It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes.

The sex was painful for her. I was only the second guy she’d ever had sex with. I didn’t think she was lying, because pumping her was like jamming my cock through a medieval keyhole. She whimpered like a wounded puppy dog the entire time, but I really wanted to have an orgasm, so I was “almost there” for about ten minutes. After sex she sobbed for a good while, talking about how she had sinned in the eyes of God, but in an hour she got horny again and we went at it once more.

According to Gari, “Susan” also claims that Roosh, shortly before raping her,

laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.”

Roosh says he’s never told  “a girl that rape is ‘every woman’s fantasy.'”

I haven’t found an example of Roosh doing this in the writings of his I’ve searched through, though in one blog post he talks about his love of rape scenes in movies and declares that both men and women “have rape fantasies and that’s normal.”

As for using force to overcome female resistance, Roosh has admitted doing that in at least one instance. In Bang Ukraine, as I’ve noted before, Roosh describes how he used “some muscle” to hold a woman down after she told him she wanted to change positions during sex.

And I need not remind most of you of the many times that Roosh has described other sexual encounters that have led many people to describe his books as “rape guides.” (If you do need reminding, I have examined many of these instances in a post you can find here.)

So, far from being the literally incredible story that Roosh’s lawyer insists that it is, one so implausible that no one who “examined this story with any amount of rigor … could [possibly] believe it to be true,” “Sarah’s” story not only matches Roosh’s own version of events in many key details but it also describes Roosh using tricks that are consistent with his MO, as spelled out in his books and blog posts. What’s more, most of Roosh’s specific denials, as I’ve shown above, are contradicted by his own writings. 

In Roosh’s version of the story. he follows a woman he’s only spoken to very briefly home from a bar even though she tells him repeatedly not to; he uses the excuse of having to use her bathroom to get into her house, after which she thanks him for walking him home and then has consensual sex with him.

In “Susan’s” version of the story, as told by Gari, Roosh follows a woman he’s only spoken to very briefly home from a bar even though she tells him repeatedly not to; he uses the excuse of having to use her bathroom to get into her house. After learning that she’s there alone, he tries to get her to touch his penis; when she resists he grabs her and rapes her.

Again, I ask you which seems the most plausible.

There is one detail to “Susan’s” account, as Gari tells it, that seems to me to add to the plausibility of her account: As he follows her home, he tells her that she has “a beautiful but sad walk.”

This detail is not in Roosh’s version of events, and might seem a bit strange, But, as one of my readers pointed out to me, Roosh has actually been filmed using a variation of that line in an attempt to pick up a Romanian woman.

In 2013, you see, a Romanian news program did a brief feature on Roosh, and Roosh posted two versions of the story that aired on Romanian TV. Neither is translated, but in both versions Roosh can be seen telling a young Romanian woman, in English, that “I couldn’t help but notice the way you are walking. It is very sad walk.”

You can watch the clip here; it should start right at the point Roosh approaches the woman.

You can find a slightly different version of the TV segment here.

I don’t know if “Susan’s” story is true, but Roosh’s defense, so far, is not exactly enhancing his own credibility.

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masque d'étoiles
masque d'étoiles
4 years ago

MY EXAGGERATED “I’M A NONSTOP SEX MACHINE” BRAVADO, which I ALWAYS INCORPORATE INTO MY SEX WRITING

So did Roosh’s dedicated fanboys know all along about his longstanding employment of exaggerated bravado as a droll literary conceit? That is, were they in on the joke before their ever-so-witty hero had to cover his ass by drastically revising a rapey tale they’ve been thrilling to since 2011?

Because if I were any sort of self-respecting PUA fanboy (this, admittedly, is quite an imaginative stretch), I think I’d be feeling just a tad dismayed that some of my role model’s conquests might have been marginally less repugnant than first reported. I might even wonder “Hmmm, if he made up that part, I wonder what else he’s made up? (Everything?)” instead of seeming completely unfazed by his flagrant self-contradictions.

Or maybe the PUAs-in-training don’t comprehend the meaning of exaggerated bravado. That’s always a possibility.

It might be too much to hope Susan gets some delayed justice out of this, but my internal optimist holds out for that anyway. Even better if the recent negative publicity Roosh has received, and the coverage of Ms. Gari’s blog post and his reaction to it, empower other women to seek justice for themselves. If ever anyone begged to reap the whirlwind, it’s Roosh with his specious “Nobody’s ever accused me of rape, therefore no matter what I say I’ve done it can’t be rape” reasoning.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

FYI, the comment threads in both links are actually worth reading, if only for extra insights that suddenly stumble forward . For example, this particular comment poked my eye.

dontgiveahoot
dontgiveahoot
4 years ago

funny) thing is, he claims it should only be illegal to rape if you jumped on her out of some bushes and dragged her into a dark alley, or something.

The man is one big, long, walking self-contradiction. Oh sorry…“satire”.

That’s what gets me. He actually advocates stalking someone and raping them, but he also argues it should be legal for him to do so if he manages to get himself into her home, even if that entry is a result of coercion or a flat out lie. Is anyone surprised that Roosh proposed a system that would protect him and his own admitted M.O from consequences exactly like this?

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
4 years ago

Well done Roosh – this is exactly the tactic I thought he might use if he were being clever (well, maybe not the threatening libel, being afraid it would poke the hornets’ nest). I think there is almost no chance of him being carted off to Iceland, but establishing that Bang Iceland narrative is about someone else entirely is definitely the way to go to stay in slimy, skanky character – and that any accuser (should she actually exist – I have to admit I didn’t see that coming) just made it up based on reading his nasty text. It sets up a semi-adversarial relationship between the blogger and the accuser. I guess he picked an appropriate lawyer.

On a side note – I heard an interview David McCallum – (Ilya Kuryakin, etc) who has just published a crime novel. The Beeb interviewer, a woman, questioned him about a character in the novel, a police officer, I think – who was thankful for being raped, because through this experience she learned that she could enjoy letting go (or some shite like that). The interviewer suggested she didn’t know any woman who would actually say that.

McCallum said “Well, now you do, and her name is [name of character which I forget].” As if this fictional character, that he totally made up (as this is how fiction works), was a real person.

I remember watching reruns of U.N.C.L.E. as pre-teen, young teen and thinking he was sooo hawt and now I’m just icked out. Well, that ruins that.

Mary
4 years ago

Look in the rest of the comments, there are plenty of proofs that Roosh is using the “takes their hand and puts them on his dick” move and also the rape fantasy.

I didn’t even search hard and I found 2 more instances of this:

http://i.imgur.com/LVFfc5l.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/bdKhU

#RooshisaRapist
#RooshisaRapist
4 years ago

I would happily donate few hundreds $ to help with legal fees, just to see justice done about serial rapist Roosh.

Roosh always gets away with his rapes… it is because of his “Bang” system that he is teaching to all the men that read his advices:

The disturbing guaranteed “Bang” how to rape manual that Roosh teaches is foolproof:

– go out on crowded “Lady nights” where girls drink a lot: bars or clubs
– wear a suit. Tell them a completely fake name and fake story which makes you appear very cool
– buy them as many drinks as possible, shame the girl if she doesn’t drink
– walk the new girl you met this way home
– ask her to use her toilet if you’re at her place, or to have just one drink with her on your “private property”
– once isolated and alone with the girls, Roosh overpowers them and ignores every “No!” (even repeated for hours, or repeated and begged even 50 times) and all the crying or the opposition of the girls and he forcibly has sex with them

The girl, if she remembers next day what happened, all she has is a fake name…

This worked for him perfectly and he improved this system over the last 15 years going out basically 2-4 nights every week.

There is no downside to his system, it usually works, so he calls it “How to rape without legal consequences” and he is proud of it

Kyle
Kyle
4 years ago

An idea: accept comments based on previously approved IPs?

David, this is one of the best posts and best deconstruction of Roosh’s desperate lies.

I noticed that in the last 3 weeks “News Google” shows about 1900 articles from the news when searching for keywords like “Roosh rapes” or “Roosh rapist” or “Daryush Valizadeh rapist” or similar keywords.

Under the selection for Source of news “blogs”, your blog is not included.

Considering that your blog is by far My favorite blog on the internet, maybe consider it adding to News google feeds?

Keep up the awesome work David, Thank you

Kyle

Sofia van der Linde
Sofia van der Linde
4 years ago

If Roosh could afford a good lawyer the woman in question would already have received a letter from said lawyer.

People who threaten to sue without hiring a lawyer are just making conversation.

Tragedy of the Commas
Tragedy of the Commas
4 years ago

@ weirwoodtreehugger

That makes sense. Whether a case is heard is less relevant than silencing via “if you speak up, you know what’ll happen to you, right?” style threats. Gross.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago
Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Sofia van der Linde:
Sadly, Randazza is a very effective lawyer, good at what he does (plus a bully), but not up to any good anymore, it looks like.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

So he admits to lying to his fanboys, but THIS time he’s telling the truth? And those asshats but that swill?

He is a rapist and he is scared of getting his comeuppance, which he should be.

I wonder how long his family will continue to support him? I wonder when his fans will grow up enough to move on and I wonder how he thinks he’ll find work. I hope he ends up in prison, but watching him go the way of Mystery would be nice too.

DS
DS
4 years ago

@RooshIsARapist: I think he has done some mental gymnastics to convince himself that if he doesn’t screw these girls at knifepoint or gunpoint, then he didn’t technically rape them because they could have screamed, started kicking him in the balls, etc. but of course that is total bullshit.

Sofia van der Linde
Sofia van der Linde
4 years ago

I think Roosh is bluffing hoping that his association with Randazza will intimidate others into silence.

Unless Randazza is willing to do the case pro bono or no cure no pay style, Roosh cannot afford him. I think he could barely afford to pay him for writing an actual threatening letter with legal lingo in it.

Randazza may be willing to support Roosh in popular media is a favour, but I doubt he wants to work for free or against a starter’s fee.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Sofia van der Linde:
Randazza is known for pro bono cases. This is all what I’m going to say in a polite fashion, and shut up about impolite parts, because obvious reasons.

Chaltab
Chaltab
4 years ago

So basically there are two possible scenarios here.

1. This woman is telling the truth and Roosh’s own account corroborates. Roosh is truly a rapist and is now lying to cover his ass… ineffectually given the existence of his own confession.

2. Roosh made up the whole ‘Bang Iceland’ stalking and assault because that’s what his detestable readers like to read. Susan, or perhaps simply Gari based their story on Roosh’s own book and have thus forced him to admit that he made the shit up.

Either way, Roosh loses.

girlscientist
girlscientist
4 years ago

@Chiomara:
It’s a nice revenge fantasy, and I understand where you’re coming from. But realistically, you don’t know if, in this situation, you can run away (are you sober? dressed? with shoes on?), if you have anywhere to run to (what’s the weather? are you in your own home? in the middle of nowhere? is the guy your ride home), or if you can even run faster than the guy doing this to you. You don’t know who is doing this to you (a total stranger? a friend with a violent temper? your beloved boyfriend who’s never done anything like this before?) or how you’re going to react (fight, flight or freeze? confused by what’s happening?). Then there’s also the fact that, while you can’t prove that the guy assaulted you, he has the injuries to prove that you assaulted him. So, realistically, I think it would be better to shelve this strategy.

Cerberus
Cerberus
4 years ago

I feel like this is an intimidation attempt to try and access Susan’s information so that his followers can dox and harass her. And the lawsuit on Gari is designed to try and throw Susan under the bus in order to protect herself, either by being forced to reveal more details from email correspondence or phone records or pushing Susan herself to make an appearance. It fits most other attempts by MRA/PUA jackholes who try these sorts of legal shenanigans.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

As well as the Oscar Wilde parallel I’m also reminded of the time David Irving sued Deborah Lipstadt for libel after she’d accused him of being a holocaust denier. That didn’t end well for him.

jenny
4 years ago

To those who think that Roosh’s rape victims could fight him or escape somehow:

A lot of us seem to forget that Roosh is a 1.95m high , full of muscles guys that lifts a lot, and his presence is quite frightening in itself.

And he prefers “petite girls”. I doubt that it is possible for a 1.60m girl with no muscles, to escape a trained serial rapist like Roosh

And let’s not forget also:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/01/rape_infographic.jpg

Wondering
Wondering
4 years ago

I think Gari’s definitely going to need a defense fund.

Randazza was the US lawyer on a similar case where librarian Joe Murphy sued two women librarians who had tweeted/posted/interneted about him being an example of a harasser in the library community.
https://teamharpy.wordpress.com/why-are-we-being-sued/

I remember seeing comments around the time that there was no way they could lose. But then, they both ended up issuing retractions.
https://teamharpy.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/apologies-and-retractions/

Reading between the lines of the retractions, it sounds like they were relying on what other women had told them. Kind of like what Gari says she’s done.

Lots of people settle or delete/retract when they’re threatened with legal action or can’t afford legal fees anymore. I think Gari may be in trouble, and I think she’s going to need lots of financial help.

masque d'étoiles
masque d'étoiles
4 years ago
Reply to  Wondering

This has Jian Ghomeshi written all over it. The Toronto Star wouldn’t publish anything regarding their investigation into his assaults until they had a smoking gun – which Ghomeshi himself stupidly supplied to the CBC in the form of a videotaped assault, then posted all about the injustice of his firing because of that video on Facebook, thereby setting the whole fiasco in motion. Unfortunately, I doubt Gari has access to a video of Roosh’s assault on Susan or anyone else, so unless Susan is willing to step up and testify there’s only Roosh’s original account in Bang Iceland, which he now claims is essentially fiction.

Hell, I’d contribute to Gari’s legal fund if one is set up, and Susan’s as well should she need one.

jenny
4 years ago

The problem here is that the creep serial rapist Roosh has websites with close to 8 millions readers bigots this month.
Last time he went and begged for donations from his readers, Roosh gathered about 285,000 $ USD

Jane Gari seems to have nowhere close to the financial power that Roosh has.

That is why there are high chances that she will get crushed.

The truth doesn’t even matter in these situations.

Look at Bill Cosby: more than 45 women tell the truth about how Bill Cosby raped them.

Bill Cosby is suing many of them for defamation 🙁

newbie
newbie
4 years ago

Excellent post, David. Should be very helpful to Jane Gari, “Susan,” and their lawyers. I so hope Roosh-the-rapist ends up in court and, possibly, prison.

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

God, it is hard to not wish death on people sometimes. Fucking scumbag.

jenny
4 years ago

How can we actively help or support Roosh’s rape victims?

At this moment, it seems that the whole massmedia felt victim
to Roosh’s threats and intimidations, and they are not publishing anything about him in the last days, after this:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/07/pro-rape-campaigner-roosh-v-is-now-targeting-journalists-who-disagree-with-him-5666948/

Pro-rape campaigner Roosh V is now targeting journalists who disagree with him

Sick pro rape pick-up artist Roosh V is unhappy with the coverage his views are getting – and has begun posting the personal details of journalists who criticise him.

The hate figure, who believes rape should be legal on private property and who has published 15 books widely described as ‘rape guides’, wants to see journalists who disagree with him targeted.

Which means he’ll probably be compiling the names of every media person on the planet.

He urged his followers – alarmingly he does have them – to gather photos, Facebook profiles and addresses ‘for possible future use’.

Valizadeh has previously stated: ‘My default opinion of any girl I meet is that she is a worthless dirty wh**e.’

Castaigne
Castaigne
4 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs: Wait. Castaigne, are you just relaying information or do you agree with them? I thought it was the former, but now I’m not so sure.

Relaying information. Sadly, I was unaware of Randazza’s MRA/Red Pill positions, and while I supported his support of free speech, now that I am aware of his other proclivities I have to stand way, way aginst him. And Greenfield.

It actually makes me sad. Ruins all the good work they’ve done.

===

@Skiriki:

but I’m gonna steer clear even more than before (because fuck Clark).

Clark is actually gone, thank God. Unfortunately, Randazza was his fucking replacement. So fucking hell.

Bina
4 years ago

On a side note – I heard an interview David McCallum – (Ilya Kuryakin, etc) who has just published a crime novel. The Beeb interviewer, a woman, questioned him about a character in the novel, a police officer, I think – who was thankful for being raped, because through this experience she learned that she could enjoy letting go (or some shite like that). The interviewer suggested she didn’t know any woman who would actually say that.

McCallum said “Well, now you do, and her name is [name of character which I forget].” As if this fictional character, that he totally made up (as this is how fiction works), was a real person.

Ugh. UghughughughUGH.

And yeah. Ayn Rand made up women who liked being raped, too. She had to, because in real life, no such women exist.

Also, Ayn Rand and this dude are assholes. So.

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

I can’t help but wonder if part of the motivation of this is so Roosh can get the identity of Susan and sic his followers on her for dating to speak out.

Dr. NicolaLuna
Dr. NicolaLuna
4 years ago

There is literally nothing creepier than Roosh’s writing about his “bangs” – he is the absolute worst. I hope he gets his ass handed to him in court.

Darawak
Darawak
4 years ago

Caistagne,

Sadly, I was unaware of Randazza’s MRA/Red Pill positions,

He also seems to be willing to attack those same guys; https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141116/09070629164/marc-randazza-emasculates-pick-up-artist-legal-counsel-hilariously-brutal-response-to-bogus-takedown-demand.shtml

It does not seem that his practise is to be the lawyer to the MRA/PUA/RP but rather that he is (at worst) a mercenary without care for which side of the fight he is on, but to go to he who hires him.

One must admit that his searing attack on another MRA was a harsher rebuke than what he sent to S Jane. Perhaps revealing that his sympathies may not lie where you think.

I am not sure that is better. If he believes in the principles in the letter to Julien Blanc but he is just mercenary-for-hire for Roosh then I do not know if I have faith in mankind.

Silver
Silver
4 years ago

#Rooshieisarapist and DS
Not got time to read all, just wanted to post something I had to re locate. You are absolutely right that he does not see it as rape Unless there is Violence (and incidentally I found one last night) if you use drugs / spiking a drink. If it is just persuasion (PRESSURE) then it is not rape “How many no’s does it take to entre a vagina.

He has an article of his favourite film rapes. Likes the ones where it shows that it is the womans fantasy / there is plenty of eye contact – shows intimacy and she is won over / falls for him in the end. He said “I do not ger aroused during that scene like I normally do watching rape” for one scene where there was violence. Put him right off and said that because he did not like that, that means he is not a rapist. Issue is however, define consent and informed consent when he has slept around and is collecting trophies for his next book etc. Given the article again here and also a lovely one on How to avoid a rape charge. Why would anyone write such an article? Oh and another one. When no means yes?

As I said, if there is no violence or drugging, it is just a matter of pressuring. Yuk

http://www.rooshv.com/6-qualities-of-a-good-rape-scene
http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-avoid-a-false-rape-accusation
http://www.rooshv.com/when-no-means-yes

Ashara Payne
Ashara Payne
4 years ago
Reply to  Darawak

@Darawak The only men who are likely to genuinely emotionally support Roosh and his ilk are men who’ve ‘suffered’ the same as MRA’s, i.e. either men who’ve lost custody of children or money due to divorce, men who’ve been falsely accused of rape/sexual harassment, or men who can’t get a gf for whatever reason.

I’d imagine these men are actually a tiny minority of men in general, and it’s highly unlikely to apply to this lawyer.

If he’s happily married and has good relations with his female relatives he’ll be even less sympathetic.

If he investigates Roosh’s writings he may even get to feel sympathy for Roosh’s victims and disdain for his methods and teachings.

It would be hilarious if he takes his money but fails to succeed due to lack of conviction, or if he gives up the case and turns him over to the police. But I’m not holding my breath. He doesn’t sound particularly scrupulous. Roosh has likely deluded himself that most men agree with him and support him.

reimalebario
reimalebario
4 years ago

@VLF:
Iceland is not in the EU.

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

A good focus can be to saveguard all instances (I counted so far well over 100) when Daryush Roosh Valizadeh have described himself raping girls, and was teaching advices to his readers to do as well.

Like for example the original version of “When No Means Yes” by Roosh,
when he describes how he forced 2 girls who were resisting,
and crying “No! No!” how he penetrated them anyway by holding them down with his muscles.

Roosh himself describes and admits to:

– few actual rapes in Bang Iceland where he says that he went with the intention to “rape white girls”

– few rapes in Bang Poland, 2 rapes in “No Means Yes” original post (that, the same as many others, he edited and deleted partially, this way destroying evidences against him)

– few rapes in 30 Bangs,

– few rapes in Bang Ukraine, etc

Darawak
Darawak
4 years ago

@ Ashara, I found this about him. https://cyberlawradio.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/clbr-155-iamsarkeesianandicann51/

He promotes the hashtag #iamsarkeesian when nobody paid him to but now he is representing MRA-PUA poster boy? I wonder if he is schizophrenic or playing fifth column tactics.

Tovius
Tovius
4 years ago

@Darawak
It is bizarre that the same man that wrote that is now helping Roosh silence his victims.

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

I hope that all those plans to ban Daryush Roosh Valizadeh terrorist group from European Union to become true

As long as Roosh is still in liberty, he creates thousands of new rapists
with his advices and his how-to-rape-and-get-away-with-it manuals:

http://i.imgur.com/8ICEqnU.jpg

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

I hope that all those plans to ban Daryush Roosh Valizadeh terorist group from European Union to become true

As long as Roosh is still in liberty, he creates thousands of new rapists
with his advices and his how-to-rape-and-get-away-with-it manuals:

http://i.imgur.com/8ICEqnU.jpg

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

I hope that all those plans to ban Daryush Roosh Valizadeh extremists group from European Union to become true

As long as Roosh is still in liberty, he creates thousands of new rapists
with his advices and his how-to-rape-and-get-away-with-it manuals:

http://i.imgur.com/8ICEqnU.jpg

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

I hope that all those plans to ban Daryush Roosh Valizadeh extremists / terorist group from European Union to become true

As long as Roosh is still in liberty, he creates thousands of new rapists
with his advices and his how-to-rape-and-get-away-with-it manuals:

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

As long as Roosh is still in liberty, he creates thousands of new rapists
with his advices and his how-to-rape-and-get-away-with-it manuals:

http://i.imgur.com/8ICEqnU.jpg

Steve
Steve
4 years ago

David – when is your book of putatively true sex stories going to be released?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
4 years ago

Who is this Jenny and why are they spamming the same thing over and over?

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

Jenny here. The browser had an error and it posted 2 or 3 times the same thing. Sorry for that.

These are some reasons why Roosh should be in prison already
(his own admissions)

http://i.imgur.com/wktH2Yt.jpg

Overly long name
Overly long name
4 years ago

Hey sorry to necro a thread but I just got an idea about roosh and his whole “satire” thing. I think he’s not satirizing rape culture in his head but instead he’s satirizing how he thinks society throws the word “rape” around for any sort of sexual act or at least that’s what I think he means when he uses the word rape. Sorry to be a bother and no I don’t agree with him.

Silver
Silver
4 years ago

I dont think he is satirizing anything at all. I found a video defending his statements. He only says things are satire WHEN he realises he is in trouble. I have various examples of where women were obviously using satire, but he squeals that it is serious. I also have a piece where he REMEMBERED later that he had sex with a woman in the morning (So it could not have been rape!!) The piece actually said he always bragged about his exploits. So how come he forgot that they continued in the morning then. He said that this was his best conquest in Iceland. Surely he would have remembered that. Just added it in retrospect I am willing to bet, to try and con people that it was not rape once accused.

Elsewhere he is currently saying why is everyone looking at him INSTEAD of (Muslim / middle Eastern) rape gangs – the REAL rapists in his view and Conservative Muslim Families, though in the past he has posted articles about the Merits of Muslim tradition which he admits to taking from and a video saying that the reason people are having a go at him BECAUSE of ISLAMOPHOBIA. His parents are Armenian and Iranian. He is ripping into people of the same ethnic background therefore as himself and his parents and I suspect at the moment this is because he believes / likes to portray that it is only REAL rape if it involves Violence and not just consent issues. Pointing to them (though there is evidence it was overhyped due to a Neo Nazi agenda anyway) is him saying look at them – they are real rapists. Real nice, total disrespect when he was hiding out at his parents. Terrible habit that – of changing his story after he is pulled or just chopping and changing depending on what he is trying to portray.

My reporting of this passage – I posted Roosh V’s own words about one of his encounters the other day, in response to his post on GROOMING Indian GIRLS, when grooming is a word used to describe what Paedophiles do. I have added my accents to it to indicate the parts that I consider questionable, both in relation to Rape / Consent and also his possible thoughts on young girls.

“I told her I wanted to take her home. “No sex,” she said, a phrase that she could pronounce
very clearly. I made the universal sign for sleep, telling her that I was tired anyway. IT TOOK ABOUT TWENTY MINUTE TO GET HER TO UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BECAUSE SHE CAME TO MY PLACE, IT DIDN’T MEAN WE HAD TO HAVE SEX.

Her TINY size really hit me when she took off her heels. I asked her how much she weighed.
“Thirty-five kilograms”. Besides her surprisingly round ass, she had the body of a gymnast who
DUDN’T QUITE MAKE IT PAST PUBERTY.

I got her down to her bra and panties but she kept saying “No !!! No !!!” I was so turned on by
her beauty and petite figure that I told myself SHE’S NOT WALKING OUT MY DOOR WITHOUT GETTING FUCKED.

At that moment I ACCEPTED GETTING LOCKED UP IN A POLISH PRISON IN ORDER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

The best way to visualize our sex is an elephant mounting a kitten.

My dick was half the size of her neck. I put her on her stomach and went deep, POUNDING HER PUSSY LIKE A PAEDOPHILE.”
Somebody came back at me with a further quote that they felt PROVED that this was not indicative of rape.
Here it is –
“The excerpt that is often used to falsely portray me as a rapist is the following, which I wrote in Bang Iceland (2011):

While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. IN AMERICA, HAVING SEX WITH HER WOULD HAVE BEEN RAPE, SINCE SHE COULDN’T LEGALLY GIVE HER CONSENT. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.

I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do. IF A GIRL IS WILLING TO WALK HOME WITH ME, SHE IS GOING TO GET THE DICK NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE HAS DRUNK. I’ll protect MYSELF by using a condom (most of the time), but I know that when it comes to sex, ONE OUNCE OF HESITATION OR A FEELING OF MORALITY WILL GET ME NOTHING.

In this quote, which was taken out of context, I admit to sleeping with a girl who appeared more inebriated than me, and nothing more. MY EXAGGERATED “I’M A NONSTOP SEX MACHINE” BRAVADO, which I ALWAYS INCORPORATE INTO MY SEX WRITING, is irrelevant. Now let’s put the quote in full context and see how the story continued:

I woke up first in the morning and looked over at her. I fully expected to be greeted by a beast, but I was pleasantly surprised that she actually looked better. I studied her face in the morning light and concluded that it was magnificent. She was the hottest Icelandic girl I had gotten with, and definitely in the top 10% of my all-time bangs. I pulled the covers down and examined her flawless creamy skin and her perfectly proportioned body with big tits and round ass. My dick was getting hard again and I gently poked her with it, fully expecting the typical awkward after-sex Icelandic vibe, but instead I was greeted with, “So you want to fuck again?”

Yes please!

Two more times we went, and by the end of it I had no semen left. Then we started to get to know each other. First we exchanged names, then ages, then professions. I’m pretty sure that guys know more about the prostitutes they fuck than I do about the Icelandic women I got with.

The morning after this girl was “raped,” and when she was completely sober, she asked me to have sex again. We did it two additional times and began to develop a connection that was deeper than my other Icelandic bangs (i.e. we knew each other’s first names).

Well aside from the fact that it was written in retrospect, AFTER he had been criticised for raping her, he refers to “MY EXAGGERATED “I’M A NONSTOP SEX MACHINE” BRAVADO, which I ALWAYS INCORPORATE INTO MY SEX WRITING.” However, he then goes on to say “Now let’s put the quote in full context and see how the story continued”
IF HE ALWAYS INCORPORATES HIS SEX MACHINE EXAGGERATION INTO HIS SEX WRITING – HOW COME HE DID NOT BRAG ABOUT HIS MORNING SESSION WITH THIS MAGNIFICENT WOMAN ON THIS OCCASION? ESPECAILLY WHEN HE SAYS THAT SHE WAS THE HOTTEST ICELANDING WOMAN HE GOT WITH AND DEFINITELY IN THE TOP 10% OF HIS ALL-TIME BANGS. DID HE FORGET ABOUT THIS AMAZING SEXUAL EXPERIENCE UNTIL AFTER HE WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE? I will leave people to draw their own conclusions.

Also the article defending his legalize rape statement and his claiming Islamophobia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLpPXXXgY3s

Ashara Payne
Ashara Payne
4 years ago
Reply to  Silver

OMFG I’d not seen that video before. He claims his views about women are from Islam? And therefore anyone opposing him is Islamophobic? What a tool. I have no words.

Sylocat
4 years ago

You’d think a lawyer who writes for Popehat would understand the Streisand Effect.

Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago

The Streisand effect has nothing to do with Roosh

Roosh on BBC and on DR OZ and in the news in february 2016 was seen
by over 800 million people

Guess how many of 800 million people became his followers

An amawing grand total of 600 new instagram followers for Roosh
and 2,700 new twitter followers

So 0.001 percent become Roosh followers

and 99.999 percent hate him or know that he is an evil bigot