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Roosh Threatens to Sue Blogger Who Told The Story of a Woman Accusing Him of Rape

Roosh at a Ukrainian cafe
Roosh at a Ukrainian cafe

Ten days ago, author ​S. Jane Gari wrote an explosive blog post (which I wrote about here) about the now notorious pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh. In the post Gari relayed what she said was the story of an Icelandic woman who claims that Roosh raped her several years ago after following her home from a Reykjavik bar.

Now Roosh is threatening to sue Gari for defamation, claiming that the story Gari tells is “completely fabricated” and suggesting that the accuser herself, whom Gari calls “Susan,” may be nothing more than a figment of Gari’s imagination. In a post on his website Return of Kings, Roosh not only denies raping “Susan,” he declares flatly that he’s never “[f]ollow[ed] a girl home.”

As Roosh tells it,

[t]his is not a case of a girl I know making up an encounter, but a girl who I’ve never met and who I believe doesn’t even exist inventing a situation after skimming through publicly available excerpts of Bang Iceland.

In a letter evidently sent to Gari, and later posted on Return of Kings, Roosh’s lawyer, Marc Randazza, declares “Susan’s” story as “a complete work of fiction” adding later that

The story on its surface does not even sound credible. There is no possibility that if you examined this story with any amount of rigor, that you could believe it to be true.

These denials — from Roosh and from his lawyer — strike me as frankly bizarre.

The story that Gari tells, and that Randazza evidently deems so incredible, matches in most of its key details a story that Roosh tells in his book Bang Iceland, and which is also posted on his blog.

Roosh’s claim that he’s never followed a “girl” home is even more bizarre, because in Roosh’s version of the story he describes in detail how he followed this “girl” home.

In an excerpt from Bang Iceland posted on his blog, Roosh describes how he approached a drunken woman outside of a Reykjavik bar after her

friends had ditched her and left her all by her lonesome. She desperately looked for them, fiddling with her phone, but they were all gone. I couldn’t believe my luck.

“I guess I’ll walk you home,” I said. She didn’t say anything. Once she started walking I followed her.

Roosh doesn’t know the woman; by his account he had “barely exchanged three words with her” on a previous evening. Unsurprisingly, the woman makes clear she doesn’t want his “help.”

“Fuck you!” she said. “You don’t have to walk me home!”

But Roosh continues on anyway. As they make their way to her house, Roosh writes,

She kept telling me to leave and I kept saying it was my duty as a man to make sure she got home safe.

When they get to her house, Roosh insists he needs to use her bathroom; she says “yeah, whatever,” and lets him in.

Remember, this is Roosh’s account I’m relaying here, not “Susan’s.” I have no idea how Roosh squares his account of following a “girl” home with his current claim that he’s never followed a “girl” home. 

What’s makes this claim even more remarkable is that he has written numerous times before about following women.

In his book 30 Bangs, a collection of Roosh’s putatively true sex stories, he describes two instances in which he followed (or tried to follow) women into taxicabs. In one account he says that when the taxicab a woman called arrived, he “hopped in with her like a stray dog.” In another account, he describes how he tried to follow a different woman “into the cab without her permission, but she was too quick for me and escaped into the darkness.”

Following women isn’t just something that Roosh sometimes does; it’s actually one of the key “techniques” he teaches his readers. In Day Bang, in which Roosh lays out his strategies for meeting women in the daytime, Roosh urges men to “trail behind” attractive women they see walking down the street.

The best method for street approaching is to pick a street with medium traffic, hide behind a bush or utility pole, and then emerge from your spot to start following any cute girl that walks by until she hits a Don’t Walk signal.

While she’s waiting to cross the street, you see, she is a captive audience for whatever pickup like you want to try on her.

Roosh offers similar advice on his blog, telling his readers that “[w]hen a cute girl walks by, follow her until she hits a Don’t Walk signal. This may take a few blocks of stalking.”

In another post on his blog, Roosh declares that “[s]ometimes the best way to get into a girl’s place is to say nothing and just follow her in.”

And while we’re talking about Roosh’s standard operating procedures, Roosh regularly uses the excuse of having to use the bathroom as a way to get into a woman’s house or apartment. He describes this “bathroom weasel technique” in some detail in his book Bang, and uses it so often that it becomes something of a running joke in his later works.

In Roosh’s post responding to, and flatly denying, the accusations set forth in Gari’s post, he makes several other blanket denials that are similarly problematic. 

In an attempt to rebut “Susan’s” story, in which she claims Roosh raped her after determining that she was home alone, Roosh declares that he’s never had “sex in an Icelandic girl’s home while she was alone.”

But in Roosh’s version of “Susan’s” story, he simply assumed that her parents were in the house with her, sleeping — even though she was acting as if they weren’t.

She was talking loud, as if no one was home, but I did notice a shut door that I assumed was her parents’ bedroom.

The next morning, in Roosh’s account, he snuck out of the house shortly after waking up “in case her parents woke up early.” But at no point did he ever encounter the parents, and the woman he says he had consensual sex with never mentions them being in the house either.

In “Susan’s’ account of that night, as described by Gari, she says that shortly before raping her, he asked her to touch his penis. When she refused, Roosh grabbed her.

In his Return of Kings post, Roosh says he’s never asked “a woman to ‘touch my penis.'”

Perhaps, but in his book Bang, Roosh describes something he calls the “hand-on-crotch move, the most important bedroom move we have.” This “move” is as straightforward as it sounds. Roosh explains:

At this point you have been doing most of the touching, but what you want to do now is open the floodgates and give her permission to be the sexual being that she really is. When one of her hands is near your waist, gently grab it and place it right on your cock over your clothes.

This is evidently a move Roosh uses on a fairly regular basis. In Poosy Paradise, his latest collection of putatively true sex stories, he describes one encounter in which he made use of this not-so-subtle technique,

“I’m tired,” I said. “Let’s lay on the bed.” After a couple minutes I did the move. It’s the best move I have and I remember when and where I learned it 13 years before. I grabbed her hand and gently placed it on my penis, as if setting a teacup on its saucer.

Several pages later, Roosh recounts how he used the exact same technique on another woman, complete with the same phony complaint about feeling tired:

“I’m a little tired,” I said. “I want to lay down.” I lay on my bed and told her to join me. She did with her shoes hanging over the side. I kissed her and then unzipped the boots and took them off. She did not resist. Then I put her hand on my dick, and within five minutes that dick was inside her.

Elsewhere in the same book Roosh describes how he “tried to press my boner into [yet another woman’s] body but through our coats I don’t think she felt it.”

So it may well be technically true that Roosh has never asked a woman to touch his penis. By his own account, he prefers to place a women’s hand on his penis without asking first,

In “Susan’s” account, as told by Gari, she started crying after Roosh grabbed her, but her tears did not convince Roosh to back off.

In his Return of Kings post, Roosh claims that he’s never attempted “to make physical advances on a crying girl.”

Perhaps, but in 30 Bangs, Roosh describes how he has sex with a reluctant young woman who whimpered the whole time.

After dinner we went upstairs and I eased her onto my king-size bed. It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes.

The sex was painful for her. I was only the second guy she’d ever had sex with. I didn’t think she was lying, because pumping her was like jamming my cock through a medieval keyhole. She whimpered like a wounded puppy dog the entire time, but I really wanted to have an orgasm, so I was “almost there” for about ten minutes. After sex she sobbed for a good while, talking about how she had sinned in the eyes of God, but in an hour she got horny again and we went at it once more.

According to Gari, “Susan” also claims that Roosh, shortly before raping her,

laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.”

Roosh says he’s never told  “a girl that rape is ‘every woman’s fantasy.'”

I haven’t found an example of Roosh doing this in the writings of his I’ve searched through, though in one blog post he talks about his love of rape scenes in movies and declares that both men and women “have rape fantasies and that’s normal.”

As for using force to overcome female resistance, Roosh has admitted doing that in at least one instance. In Bang Ukraine, as I’ve noted before, Roosh describes how he used “some muscle” to hold a woman down after she told him she wanted to change positions during sex.

And I need not remind most of you of the many times that Roosh has described other sexual encounters that have led many people to describe his books as “rape guides.” (If you do need reminding, I have examined many of these instances in a post you can find here.)

So, far from being the literally incredible story that Roosh’s lawyer insists that it is, one so implausible that no one who “examined this story with any amount of rigor … could [possibly] believe it to be true,” “Sarah’s” story not only matches Roosh’s own version of events in many key details but it also describes Roosh using tricks that are consistent with his MO, as spelled out in his books and blog posts. What’s more, most of Roosh’s specific denials, as I’ve shown above, are contradicted by his own writings. 

In Roosh’s version of the story. he follows a woman he’s only spoken to very briefly home from a bar even though she tells him repeatedly not to; he uses the excuse of having to use her bathroom to get into her house, after which she thanks him for walking him home and then has consensual sex with him.

In “Susan’s” version of the story, as told by Gari, Roosh follows a woman he’s only spoken to very briefly home from a bar even though she tells him repeatedly not to; he uses the excuse of having to use her bathroom to get into her house. After learning that she’s there alone, he tries to get her to touch his penis; when she resists he grabs her and rapes her.

Again, I ask you which seems the most plausible.

There is one detail to “Susan’s” account, as Gari tells it, that seems to me to add to the plausibility of her account: As he follows her home, he tells her that she has “a beautiful but sad walk.”

This detail is not in Roosh’s version of events, and might seem a bit strange, But, as one of my readers pointed out to me, Roosh has actually been filmed using a variation of that line in an attempt to pick up a Romanian woman.

In 2013, you see, a Romanian news program did a brief feature on Roosh, and Roosh posted two versions of the story that aired on Romanian TV. Neither is translated, but in both versions Roosh can be seen telling a young Romanian woman, in English, that “I couldn’t help but notice the way you are walking. It is very sad walk.”

You can watch the clip here; it should start right at the point Roosh approaches the woman.

You can find a slightly different version of the TV segment here.

I don’t know if “Susan’s” story is true, but Roosh’s defense, so far, is not exactly enhancing his own credibility.

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Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

Something really tells me this could possibly turn into a Bill Cosby-level case where more and more women will come forward. At least I really hope it does, because then more people worldwide will know exactly what kind of person Doosh and the rest of the PUA “community” are.

What I’m really hoping for is that he goes to prison as he should, but cases like this are hard to win in the culture we live in, where the courts are far more likely to believe the rapist than the victim. I hope “Susan” can find peace and support. I know she’s got mine, and I’m sure everyone here’s as well.

Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

Roosh would be classified as a “public figure” in the United States for a few reasons: (1) he’s a somewhat popular author, (2) he runs a well known Web site (something more than a personal blog), (3) he has intentionally drawn media attention to himself (especially with the “legalize rape on private property” stuff). In a libel suit, that means his lawyer has to prove that Gari knew that “Susan’s” story was likely false but reported it anyway, not just that she carelessly reported it. It would need to be on the level that “Susan” doesn’t exist or couldn’t possibly have talked to Gari (which Roosh would have to prove in a libel case).

He can also try to prove that Gari was negligent and it caused him harm by saying what she did about “Susan’s” alleged rape, but that’s going to be an uphill battle on an ice-covered mountain given the garbage he’s posted on his website and published in his books that basically supports the alleged rape story published by Gari.

I am a lawyer, but this is just legal information, not legal advice.

Castaigne
Castaigne
4 years ago

@Patricia Kayden: If more women do step forward to press charges, that puts both Randazza and Scott Greenfield in a pretty hard spot. They’ll be honor-bound to defend Roosh against all comers. Once you stand with someone, well, that’s all she wrote. You’re in it for the long-haul.

Walter
Walter
4 years ago

The best method for street approaching is to pick a street with medium traffic, hide behind a bush or utility pole, and then emerge from your spot to start following any cute girl that walks by until she hits a Don’t Walk signal.

That is the creepiest thing I’ve read in a long time. Why would anyone think that’s good advice?

I don’t know if this Susan person’s story is true, but this guy is a rapist and a creep.

epitome of incomprehensibility

I just saw/read the post about Susan’s report last night when I couldn’t sleep (probably not the best idea to read this blog at 3 AM, but I knew I was sick anyway and couldn’t go to work today – my fever’s better but I still have a stuffy nose/sinus headache). Anyway. It was sad and disturbing, but I can’t say entirely unexpected.

@Tony! the Queer Shoop – re the definition – if I’m reading that right, libel also has to be a statement that can be proved untrue. So it’d seem the onus is on Roosh’s team for the proof.

@Alan Robertshaw – EngLit major here, I thought of the Oscar Wilde case too… though most likely Roosh thinks consensual gay sex is more “deviant” and “perverted” than a man raping a woman. (And blauggh to that.)

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
4 years ago

OT but I just wanted to share these home made BB-8 earrings, created by my Significant Otter.

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo188/dhag85/Mobile%20Uploads/12747281_10153955747679680_8117952918736837614_o_zpsfbww5xab.jpg

The bottom sphere and the head part can both spin/rotate independently. Pretty cool? 🙂

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@Castaigne

I’ve never heard of that Greenfield guy, but given his Twitter account – he’s a #Gater – I don’t think he’ll mind. If he can side himself against Zoe and Anita even after #GG’s claims have been debunked in the Internet equivalent of a court of law, he can side himself with Roosh even after Gari and his victims’ claims are proven in an actual court of law.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Walter | February 19, 2016 at 5:47 pm
I don’t know if this Susan person’s story is true, but this guy is a rapist and a creep.

You’re literally on an article that pretty much proves that it is true, Walter. David has proven (and I assume that this argument would hold up in court, but I’ll defer to Alan and any other lawyers on that) that “Susan” is telling the truth.

Please don’t pull this “Well, we don’t really know” bullshit here, it’s really fucking disrespectful.

We already know Roosh is a rapist. So, we do have a damn good reason to believe that she’s not lying.

Bina
4 years ago

Wow. Those earrings are WAY cool! I am envious!

Silver
Silver
4 years ago

New here, but er – you do what I do! You may well have found this, but here it is anyway. Interesting.

I located Roosh V’s own words about one of his encounters the other day. Interesting when he had ust put a post on GROOMING Indian GIRLS, when grooming is a word used to describe what Paedophiles do. I have added my accents to it to indicate the parts that I consider questionable, both in relation to Rape / Consent and also his possible thoughts on young girls.

“I told her I wanted to take her home. “No sex,” she said, a phrase that she could pronounce very clearly. I made the universal sign for sleep, telling her that I was tired anyway. IT TOOK ABOUT TWENTY MINUTES TO GET HER TO UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BECAUSE SHE CAME TO MY PLACE, IT DIDN’T MEAN WE HAD TO HAVE SEX.

Her TINY size really hit me when she took off her heels. I asked her how much she weighed. “Thirty-five kilograms”. Besides her surprisingly round ass, she had the body of a gymnast who
DIDN’T QUITE MAKE IT PAST PUBERTY.

I got her down to her bra and panties but she kept saying “No !!! No !!!” I was so turned on by her beauty and petite figure that I told myself SHE’S NOT WALKING OUT MY DOOR WITHOUT GETTING FUCKED.

At that moment I ACCEPTED GETTING LOCKED UP IN A POLISH PRISON IN ORDER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

The best way to visualize our sex is an elephant mounting a kitten.

My dick was half the size of her neck. I put her on her stomach and went deep, POUNDING HER PUSSY LIKE A PAEDOPHILE.”

Somebody came back at me with a further quote that they felt PROVED that this was not indicative of rape. I am not sure where it is from. Here it is –
“The excerpt that is often used to falsely portray me as a rapist is the following, which I wrote in Bang Iceland (2011):

While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. IN AMERICA, HAVING SEX WITH HER WOULD HAVE BEEN RAPE, SINCE SHE COULDN’T LEGALLY GIVE HER CONSENT. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.

I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do. IF A GIRL IS WILLING TO WALK HOME WITH ME, SHE IS GOING TO GET THE DICK NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE HAS DRUNK. I’ll protect MYSELF by using a condom (most of the time), but I know that when it comes to sex, ONE OUNCE OF HESITATION OR A FEELING OF MORALITY WILL GET ME NOTHING.

In this quote, which was taken out of context, I admit to sleeping with a girl who appeared more inebriated than me, and nothing more. MY EXAGGERATED “I’M A NONSTOP SEX MACHINE” BRAVADO, which I ALWAYS INCORPORATE INTO MY SEX WRITING, is irrelevant. Now let’s put the quote in full context and see how the story continued:

I woke up first in the morning and looked over at her. I fully expected to be greeted by a beast, but I was pleasantly surprised that she actually looked better. I studied her face in the morning light and concluded that it was magnificent. She was the hottest Icelandic girl I had gotten with, and definitely in the top 10% of my all-time bangs. I pulled the covers down and examined her flawless creamy skin and her perfectly proportioned body with big tits and round ass. My dick was getting hard again and I gently poked her with it, fully expecting the typical awkward after-sex Icelandic vibe, but instead I was greeted with, “So you want to fuck again?”

Yes please!

Two more times we went, and by the end of it I had no semen left. Then we started to get to know each other. First we exchanged names, then ages, then professions. I’m pretty sure that guys know more about the prostitutes they fuck than I do about the Icelandic women I got with.

The morning after this girl was “raped,” and when she was completely sober, she asked me to have sex again. We did it two additional times and began to develop a connection that was deeper than my other Icelandic bangs (i.e. we knew each other’s first names).

Well aside from the fact that it was written in retrospect, AFTER he had been criticised for raping her, he refers to “MY EXAGGERATED “I’M A NONSTOP SEX MACHINE” BRAVADO, which I ALWAYS INCORPORATE INTO MY SEX WRITING.” However, he then goes on to say “Now let’s put the quote in full context and see how the story continued”.

IF HE ALWAYS INCORPORATES HIS SEX MACHINE EXAGGERATION INTO HIS SEX WRITING – HOW COME HE DID NOT BRAG ABOUT HIS MORNING SESSION WITH THIS MAGNIFICENT WOMAN ON THIS OCCASION? ESPECAILLY WHEN HE SAYS THAT SHE WAS THE HOTTEST ICELANDING WOMAN HE GOT WITH AND DEFINITELY IN THE TOP 10% OF HIS ALL-TIME BANGS. DID HE FORGET ABOUT THIS AMAZING SEXUAL EXPERIENCE UNTIL AFTER HE WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE? I will leave people to draw their own conclusions.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@Randazza stuff

… Am I thinking of the wrong Marc Randazza? Because the one I’m aware of retweets Cernovich and Milo and says he “Understands Pol Pot” due to the existence of people who don’t retweet Cernovich and Milo, but you’re all acting like he’s not an enormous piece of shit.

katz
4 years ago

All the extreme creepiness and obvious lying aside, I do like the image of Roosh hiding behind a utility pole, trying to look inconspicuous. I’m imagining him doing that thing where a cartoon character pops out from behind an impossibly thin object.

magnesium
magnesium
4 years ago

Is this Randazza lawyer a real lawyer this time? Or another one of Roosh’s Twitter sock puppets like his last “lawyer”?

Not sure if the laws are different in the country in which he’s suing, but wouldn’t Roosh need to provide proof that the claims against him are false to win this sort of case? This wouldn’t be “Roosh is innocent until proven guilty” like a criminal case, it’d be “The account of Roosh raping someone is not libel until Roosh proves he didn’t rape the defendant”.

He knows he won’t win the case, surely, but I’m sure he’ll get his legal fees from his fanboys and when he loses he can cry about it and they’ll go on believing he’s the underdog (similar to the Honey Badgers joke lawsuit). Or, maybe he’s just hoping that a lawsuit will force out the name of his accuser so he can sick his fanboys on her.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

@SFHC: Honestly, I don’t have any idea who the guy is.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

How can he even think he has any chance at all when his own words condemn him again and again?

My guess is that he will drop all this in a couple of days – he is just publicity whoring now.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Let’s just hope that Valizadeh’s lawyer isn’t like his police officer last time:

http://www.spvm.qc.ca/upload/zone%20enfants/enpqflik.jpg

http://www.spvm.qc.ca/en/jeunesse/enfant-histoire-de-FliK.asp

Mels
Mels
4 years ago

Thanks as always, David, for wading through this putrid sludge in order to refute Roosh’s claims. It’s nauseating.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

@magnesium It is very difficult to win a libel case in the US. In any case, the corresponding passage of Bang Iceland is obviously a “consensual” version of the same events, so the libel case would be a he said-she said situation.

darkstatistic
darkstatistic
4 years ago

In case anyone’s wondering, Marc Randazza is a real lawyer who does real things, unlike the HoneyBadger debacle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Randazza

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
4 years ago

Me too, if only because it makes him that much harder to ship off to a desert island inhabited only by venomous creatures.

Poor venomous creatures. 🙁

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
4 years ago

He’s AVFM’s lawyer, too.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Off-topic:
RIP Umberto Eco, 5 January 1932 – 19 February 2016.

Castaigne
Castaigne
4 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs: I’ve never heard of that Greenfield guy, but given his Twitter account – he’s a #Gater – I don’t think he’ll mind.

Criminal defense lawyer in NYC. Heavy proponent of free speech (along with Randazza). Libertarian leanings. Noted despiser of SJWs on the lines of how they want to censor free speech. Member of and supporter of FIRE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Individual_Rights_in_Education). Not a conservative at all; generally opposes conservatives.

… Am I thinking of the wrong Marc Randazza? Because the one I’m aware of retweets Cernovich and Milo and says he “Understands Pol Pot” due to the existence of people who don’t retweet Cernovich and Milo, but you’re all acting like he’s not an enormous piece of shit.

No, right Randazza. Also extremely noted free speech proponent and the lawyer I’d want on my side in a free speech issue.

Actually, I take that back. I’d rather have Ken White, the original Popehat.

===

@magnesium: Is this Randazza lawyer a real lawyer this time? Or another one of Roosh’s Twitter sock puppets like his last “lawyer”?

No, that’s what’s so disconcerting. Randazza is the last attorney you want to have going after you on a libel case. Worse, he’s a fucking rabid dog when he gets going.

===

@Auntie Alias: He’s AVFM’s lawyer, too.

That I did NOT know. Fucking hell, no wonder.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

What does freeze peach have to do with this? At all? Not only is there no First Amendment right to rape people, but Roosh is trying to shut down Gari’s First Amendment rights.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Randazza’s also the man who wrote this (trigger warning: he urges people not to believe rape victims, to the point of using the sentence “This is the kind of ‘believe the victim’ mentality that is so darkly infecting academia.”)

I can really see why he would take Valizadeh’s case. Defending rapists by accusing their victims of lying, and describing said victims’ supporters as being racially-motivated lynch mobs, is something he’s actually done before and seems to be proud of.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Noted despiser of SJWs on the lines of how they want to censor free speech.

Harassment and threats aren’t free speech. That’s the only speech “SJWs” are trying to get the government involved with.

Otherwise, criticism, mocking, and shaming someone for hate speech is not censorship or a violation of anyone’s rights.

Also, what SFHC said.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Seriously, Roosh paying a notoriously biased lawyer to use the weight of the government force a journalist to stop reporting on an important and trending issue related to systemic oppression is way more of a First Amendment issue than, say, David banning a troll or Anita disabling YouTube comments (especially since those aren’t actually FA issues in any way, shape or form).

Oh right. I forgot. The First Amendment only applies to right-wingers. *rolls eyes* Literal fucking fascists, the lot of them.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@Silver

Welcome!

I didn’t know he went and wrote up a new morning after narrative. It’s indeed odd that he didn’t brag about it immediately, if that’s really what happened.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Wait. Castaigne, are you just relaying information or do you agree with them? I thought it was the former, but now I’m not so sure.

Bina
4 years ago

IF HE ALWAYS INCORPORATES HIS SEX MACHINE EXAGGERATION INTO HIS SEX WRITING – HOW COME HE DID NOT BRAG ABOUT HIS MORNING SESSION WITH THIS MAGNIFICENT WOMAN ON THIS OCCASION? ESPECAILLY WHEN HE SAYS THAT SHE WAS THE HOTTEST ICELANDING WOMAN HE GOT WITH AND DEFINITELY IN THE TOP 10% OF HIS ALL-TIME BANGS. DID HE FORGET ABOUT THIS AMAZING SEXUAL EXPERIENCE UNTIL AFTER HE WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE? I will leave people to draw their own conclusions.

Well, I’ve drawn mine, and it is as follows:

THE MOTHERFUCKER LIED.

(On the rewrite, that is.)

(Also, welcome!)

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
4 years ago

Without wishing to suggest Roosh has a lot in common with Oscar Wilde there’s an interesting parallel here. Wilde initiated a libel suit which of course, not only did he lose, but the evidence adduced on that trial was used in a subsequent trial to convict him of sex offences.

Yeah, but I think Oscar Wilde sued for libel to get into this dude’s pants via consent rather than sue for libel because people are saying her raped someone. Or did Kate Beaton lie to me?

Silver
Silver
4 years ago

Cheers for welcomes. Re morning after. I dont believe a word of it either.

He posts a copy of the first page of his solicitors letter re S Jane Gari in his article on his Face Book page. Roosh V. Pinocchio picture. Didn’t look real to me, but I’m from UK so dont know US legal speak.

Put this on the other stream. Says it all about his ideas about rape. Its not rape if there is no violence in his book. Vile.

http://www.rooshv.com/6-qualities-of-a-good-rape-scene

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

Its not rape if there is no violence in his book.

Shows how much he knows about violence since rape is violence even when not accompanied by other forms of violence.

Silver
Silver
4 years ago

EJ (the other one)
“This is the kind of ‘believe the victim’ mentality that is so darkly infecting academia.” – I was on S Jane Garis blog site before and someone came out with “False Rape Accusation Apologist”. Picks self up of floor . . . . . These people are amazing in their ability to avoid reality and to distort!!!

Huge&Classy
Huge&Classy
4 years ago

“I grabbed her hand and gently placed it on my penis, as if setting a teacup on its saucer.”

And now i have to take a shower.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

It’s been a bad day to lose good writers. First Harper Lee, and now Umberto Eco.

Tragedy of the Commas
Tragedy of the Commas
4 years ago

He can’t be AVFM’s lawyer! AVFM has always been at war with RoK!

Uneducated question: is there an end game here? Or is the lawsuit just another temper tantrum? To anyone outside the communities David tracks and mocks, his arguments about Susan and Gari contain no substance whatsoever. No one here seems to believe his lawsuit could succeed.

But to his fans, he can perform the “feminists conspire to spread lies about me” act and it’ll play. If a rape trial ever happens and he’s convicted, he’ll probably try to call for people to never give up the movement, to honor his sacrifice to ess jay double-u’s, and other declarations one doesn’t make if one’s only writing “satire”. His fanbase will parrot the “feminists hate satire and therefore hate freeze peach” sentiment.

Thanks to David’s exhaustive research, RV’s got no case for defamation. But does he honestly think he does? Is he that good at lying to himself? He’s admitted to rape and been a rape advocate for years, frequently encouraging his readers to be rapists. The “it’s satire!” claims about his stories and advice columns are revealed to be full of holes when scrutinized. Susan’s story is corroborated by his own writings. …Oh, wait, if he went to trial, he’d do the whole “why would I incriminate myself” act, yeah? That’d ironically make him more like the Sharon Stone character, when he and PUAs/MRAs believe they’re Michael Douglas. Regardless, it doesn’t prove that Susan’s imaginary or lying.

Also, even if Susan was made up and he’s never raped anyone, that’d just mean all his tales are lies and everyone at RoK is idolizing bullshit. That’s the implication of the defamation suit and the “it’s all satire” arguments.

Anyway, we have a man who boasts about raping women, enthusiastically describes his actions in sickening detail, and then when a victim comes forward with her story, claims to have never raped anyone. Moreover, he and his lawyer claim Susan is made up by Gari. Susan doubtlessly exists. So the noise about defamation is just noise. Again, does he honestly think he has a chance with the suit? If the defamation lawsuit is settled or goes to trial and Susan proven real, the wind will send the piss back into his face. So, perhaps the lawsuit is meant to energize his cult? They’ll refuse to believe Susan exists or is telling the truth—even though she’s telling the story that RV himself wrote of—no matter what. He’ll continue to squeeze money and attention out of them before he’s finally taken down. Or perhaps he wants to create ambiguity and discourage a rape trial?

Sorry for the lengthy post. My point is that this defamation lawsuit appears desperate and futile, done more for his audience more than any legal victory. Unless he fears an actual rape trial? Or more women coming forward?

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

I think the end game is to intimidate the first person to come forward with an allegation in hopes of sending a message to any other victims that they had better not come forward either, or else…

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

About Randazza:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/how-copyright-lawyer-marc-randazza-got-famous-lost-friends-and-went-broke/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/embattled-copyright-lawyer-uses-dmca-to-remove-article-about-himself/

Checked the Popehat’s site, to get a refresher about something and the front page was Marc Randazza blogging himself wall-to-wall, practically speaking. Welp, it is Ken White’s (whose style I generally like) space, and he can sure as hell do whatever he wants, but I’m gonna steer clear even more than before (because fuck Clark).

So. This particular FREEZE PEACH lawyerdude seems to have turned out quite scuzzy indeed.

darkstatistic
darkstatistic
4 years ago

AFAIK Clark is no longer affiliated with Popehat.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

darkstatistic:
Wow, no? What happened? *goes to browse* Well well. Sadly, this mess (and Randazza’s general writings — had a sampler, ugh) still pushes the negatives so low that I have no interest anymore. Then again, he is not obliged to entertain me, it is his space. I just found White’s writings very entertaining, especially when he was covering that one big copyright troll case.

darkstatistic
darkstatistic
4 years ago

Yeah. Ken is the kind of guy whose writing, although I might disagree with him more often than not, I actually kinda like. Randazza and Clark… I do not.

Lunetta
4 years ago

Everything I’ve seen from Roosh is sickening, but reading this above:

“The best method for street approaching is to pick a street with medium traffic, hide behind a bush or utility pole, and then emerge from your spot to start following any cute girl that walks by until she hits a Don’t Walk signal”

– really brings it on home, doesn’t it? That’s pantomime villain level dickery, that is. Perverts actually hiding in bushes. Jesus Helios Kristos!

Adeline
Adeline
4 years ago

Wow. Ew. If anything, male or female, animal or vegetable, followed me home and stalked me my first instinct would be to stab or shoot it… Heck I’d throw rocks at it if nothing else!! He’s very lucky he isn’t severely injured and/or dead. What a freak.

Bina
4 years ago

Everything I’ve seen from Roosh is sickening, but reading this above:

“The best method for street approaching is to pick a street with medium traffic, hide behind a bush or utility pole, and then emerge from your spot to start following any cute girl that walks by until she hits a Don’t Walk signal”

– really brings it on home, doesn’t it? That’s pantomime villain level dickery, that is. Perverts actually hiding in bushes. Jesus Helios Kristos!

Yup. And the other funny(-not-funny) thing is, he claims it should only be illegal to rape if you jumped on her out of some bushes and dragged her into a dark alley, or something.

The man is one big, long, walking self-contradiction. Oh sorry…“satire”.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

Skiriki, I posted those same two Ars Technica links earlier, but it looks like the comment got stuck in moderation. I just mention that in case my comment pops up later, and it looks like I haven’t been reading the thread!

If this goes forward and Gari needs a defence fund, I think she’ll get a lot of support.

Chiomara
Chiomara
4 years ago

Fun way to get away when I a guy keeps putting your hand in his penis without your consent :
Step one: Grab it.
Step two: Squeeze it. Squeeze it good. Look in his eyes while doing so.
Step three: Run away before he catches his breath. Make sure you don’t do this if you are alone with him, of course.
Pro tip: works better if you have long nails.

Damn, I think I should write my own book.

Walter
Walter
4 years ago

Paradoxical Intention – Resident Cheeseburger Slut

David proved that Susan’s story fit Roosh’s MO and is consistent with his own self described exploits. That’s it.

That’s all I’m going to say about that, because Roosh is an admitted rapist and I don’t want to defend him.

Skiriki
Skiriki
4 years ago

Moggie: No probs, if anything, it will make it look like I haven’t read the thread, yours should appear when they were posted, rather than when they were approved. 😉