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MRA: Women make bad soldiers because they’ll sleep with guys who aren’t you

 

Women in the military can be very distracting
Women in the military can be very distracting

The latest hot take on women in the military, courtesy of the Men’s Rights subreddit:

ABunchofTards 1 point 11 hours ago Honestly, letting women in the military is a horrible idea. They make inferior soldiers for obvious reasons, and even in support roles, the amount of love triangles and gender strife will severely degrade unit cohesion. You're not likely to have your buddy's back if you have to listen to him fucking the girl you like every few nights or so. It's simply unrealistic to expect people not to be people. You can shake your fist at the heavens and damn humans for being the flawed monkeys that they are while refusing to take it into account, or you can plan around our species' flaws and actually get things done.

They’re “inferior soldiers for obvious reasons?” What “obvious reasons?”

Because they’ll sneak away in the middle of a firefight to have a tea party with their dollies? No, that’s little girls (and some boys), not adult women.

Because they can only live for a limited amount of time out of water? Oh, wait, that’s goldfish.

Because they’ll poke too many holes in their uniforms and possibly in other soldiers as well? No, that’s porcupines.

Because they’re 1,300,000 times the size of earth? No, that’s the sun.

Oh, wait, it has something to do with shoes, right? Women love shoes!

And if the whole shoe thing isn’t enough, we should definitely kick women out because when they engage in prohibited sexual activity, that’s totally their fault and not at all the fault of the guys having sex with them, and also because when a really cute women has sex with some dude it might make some other dude feel sad because that ungrateful slut should really be breaking military rules with me and not that dickhead Tony who thinks he’s so cool, but somehow Tony himself isn’t at fault, because I dunno, he’s basically all right, a real solid dude, when you think about it, he can’t help it that women are always throwing themselves at him, man I wish I were more like Tony.

Huh. So if we’re going to start tossing people out of the army for making other people upset, should we toss all people of color out of the military because some white solders are racist?

If there’s some soldier who really hates standing in line at the mess hall, should we kick everyone standing in front of him out of the army?

And if we’re preemptively tossing whole groups of people out for hypothetical things they might possibly do, why not toss gay men out of the military (again) because they might get some of those tiny yappy dogs — I mean, gay guys love those tiny yappy dogs, right? — and these tiny yappy dogs might chew through the wires of some really important piece of equipment? (Wouldn’t that make a great comedy? Email me if you want to buy the movie rights to this paragraph.)

Hell, I’m pretty sure everyone on planet Earth has the capacity to make some other person on Earth feel bad or suffer inconvenience, so let’s just toss everyone out of the military just in case.

I should point out that not everyone in the Men’s Rights subreddit agrees with ABunchofTards here. Indeed, the top response to his comment comes from a subreddit regular, blueoak9, who declares that the assumption that women are naturally terrible soldiers

is insulting. It insults the women I served with which means it insults me. There were women who were shit soldiers, and men too, but it had nothing to do with their gender or how people interacted with them.

And as for all that “love triangle” nonsense, blueoak9 informs Mr. Tards that women in the armed forces are actually very stinky.

I have news for you – human females smell about as intensely as human males; it’s just a feature of the species – and after a few days in the field they get pretty unappetizing, so all this rumpy-humpy you are imagining is pure fantasy. I never observed any of it. I’m sure it happened, but it was rare and surreptitious.

And besides, when this, er, rumpy=humpy does happen, you’ll get some too because these gals will have sex with pretty much anyone.

[A]s for not having your buddy’s back because you are somehow jealous of him – that’s a rather civilian perspective. Much more likely is telling him it’s your turn next. A lot of women get a lot of dick in the Army; it’s a perk of service.

So there you have it. Women are terrible soldiers except when they aren’t, and they will have lots of sex except when they don’t but even when they don’t they do.

I’m glad the fellows on the Men’s Rights subreddit were able to resolve this issue peacefully.

UPDATE: In case you’re wondering about the illustration I used for this post, you can read about the artist here. It was used as the cover of a men’s adventure magazine in 1971.

H/T — r/AgainstMensRights

 

 

 

 

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Mish
Mish
5 years ago

Oh, blueoak9, you started off so well …..

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

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Lea
Lea
5 years ago

He’ll never know because he will never enlist.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

One day we’re horrible for not going to war and sacrificing our live like teh menz.

The next day we’re horrible for saying we should have the right to go to war and sacrifice our lives like teh menz.

It’s almost like no matter what women do, MRAs will hate us!

MexicanHotChocolate
MexicanHotChocolate
5 years ago

A BunchofTards should explain his…theory to Ruth Westheimer who was wounded as a scout and sniper during the Israeli War of Independence.

Mish
Mish
5 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger – are you implying that we can’t win with MRAs? *gasp*

Forgot to add this in my previous comment due to over-excitement (probably).
http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/the-four-predictably-basic-moves-of-mens-rights-activists-20160211-gmri2v.html

It’s an article by Aust. feminist Clem Ford (a week old now, but hey) and wow the four predictable moves of MRAs she describes are spookily familiar – no doubt to anyone who frequents this blog.

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
5 years ago

Can MRAs literally not imagine any circumstance where men and women can be together without f*cking going on? Is that idea just too radical for their tiny manbaby minds to grasp?

You mean males and females can coexist in a space without constantly humping each other nonstop? *gasp!* Impossible!

/sarcasm (if it wasn’t obvious)

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
5 years ago

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/2016/02/18/southern-poverty-law-center-republican-party-is-now-a-hate-group-2/

Off topic, but breaking news a lot of people here might be interested in.

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
5 years ago

@ authorialAlchemy

Yeah, I just heard about that on Democratic Underground. You know what they say: if the shoe fits. And the shoe definitely fits…

Skiriki
Skiriki
5 years ago

Mish: OMG, that was glorious snarking behind that link, I truly bow to that.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Da fuq did I just read?

And check out that dude in the thread standing up for women in the military. Who wants to take bets he’ll be called a “white knight mangina beta cuck” before his keyboard grows cold?

Mrs. B
Mrs. B
5 years ago

I get the feeling these guys are pissed because they’ll have one less weapon to bash women with, should Selective Service be instituted for women, also.

After all, that’s one of the complaints I hear: “Women don’t have to sign for SS when they turn 18! MEN ARE OPPRESSED!”

Never mind that feminists have been advocating for that for *years*.

So now it becomes “They’ll distract the menfolk with their slutty ways! Just another way women will get us killed! FEMENISTS WANT US ALL DEAD!”

Seriously? Jeez.

Mish
Mish
5 years ago
Reply to  Skiriki

Skiriki, Clem Ford is brilliant. She’s been through so much shite (hateful abusive trolls plus death threats) but she continues to produce ‘glorious snarking’ (as you beautifully put it), and smart commentary.
Glad you liked 🙂

Tessa
Tessa
5 years ago

Why do talks about “unit cohesion” always seem to favor the individuals causing the problem? Ha ha, I’m kidding. I know the answer.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

There are women serving in militaries all over the world. If this was going to be an issue, it would already be an issue. It would be well known and understood.

I’m reminded of all of the doomsday predictions that came from the US right wing when don’t ask, don’t tell was in the process of being repealed. Here they were, telling us about all the chaos that would ensue if LGBT people were permitted to openly serve, apparently without considering that there were LGBT people serving openly all over the globe without creating the problems they were predicting. Except it’s even worse, because there are women serving in the US.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Tessa,
Seriously. If white cishet dudes can’t handle working with people who look just like them – not that that’s even true, but just for the sake of argument – then perhaps the military should be entirely women, people of color, and LGBT people?

Kale
Kale
5 years ago

It should be noted that way too many women, and men, are sexually assaulted in the military.

katz
5 years ago

Not gonna lie, I kind of want to read the book the picture is from.

Inkswitch
Inkswitch
5 years ago

how to effectively take part in the MRA subreddit:
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Mrs. B
Mrs. B
5 years ago

Katz: the artist is Basil Gogos.

http://www.basilgogos.net/

Pony's Labia
Pony's Labia
5 years ago

This weenie assumes that all men are resentful when other men have sex. Only the pathetic ones are.

Michael Brew
Michael Brew
5 years ago

Well, blueoak9 ain’t lying about the effect of the field environment on human body odor. Not that it would stop anyone if they really wanted to do it. More likely it would be the exhaustion, which makes even a good fap in the porta-johns too much effort for all but the horniest of Privates. That, and I’m pretty sure the women who enlist are getting exactly as much dick as they would be on the outside (exception being SHARP incidents, obviously), at least in garrison. It’s not like being forced to do pushups in mixed company is some kind of aphrodisiac.

tricyclist
tricyclist
5 years ago

So, Mr Blueoak. Women get lots of D in the army – a “perk” right?

But but all the rumpy humpy** is a fantasy and you’re not actually aware of any of it going on.

So which is it?

**Did that phrase just surf in on a time vortex from a bad 70s? sit com?

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
5 years ago

So women shouldn’t be allowed in the military because men are petulant children who will refuse to do their jobs if they don’t get their own way? Seems legit.

DL
DL
5 years ago

I never observed any of it. I’m sure it happened

??????

Because women and men have to have sex with each other when put in the same place for enough time right hahaa I know nothing. That’s all I hear.

Judas Peckerwood
5 years ago

Huh. So if we’re going to start tossing people out of the army for making other people upset, should we toss all people of color out of the military because some white solders are racist?

Christ, David, you know better than to give them ideas.

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
5 years ago

I’m gonna go hang out with Tony. At least he’s not being a child about it.

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

@MrsB: Huh, that’s the first Gogos I’ve seen (that I know of, anyway) that wasn’t a Famous Monsters of Filmland piece.

Though that may just reflect my interests.

Orion
Orion
5 years ago

I *think* blue oak is trying to say that people almost never have sex in the field but frequently do have sex on base.

AllisonBW
AllisonBW
5 years ago

I think Orion has it with regards to what blueoak9 is talking about.

That said, the assumptions about women and soldiering drive me up a wall. I see lots of guys saying that women can’t hack the ordeals of long-term endurance that male soldiers do, and I’m left scratching my head because women are actually metabolically advantaged compared to men where long-term endurance is concerned. It’s almost like there’s a widespread extreme deficit in awareness of how women’s bodies actually work or something.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Dear Mr BunchOfTards, the fact that women wouldn’t sleep with you if they were soldiers has nothing to do with the soldier part. I doubt anyone would sleep with you if they were civilians either.

Dear blueoak9, saying “they totally would sleep with you” is not a defence of those women.

Let’s try this again, both of you on three. Ready? One, two, three: “It’s no business of mine who someone else chooses to sleep with, and a lack of sex is not an injury to me.” Good!

Father Goose
Father Goose
5 years ago

“I *think* blue oak is trying to say that people almost never have sex in the field but frequently do have sex on base.”

I think so as well. It certainly matches up with my experience in the forces, lots of sex happening in barracks, not much going on in the field.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Off topic:

We had a discussion the other day about the colour of Mars, and I wanted to share these because how freaking cool is it that we have a robot on another planet?

These pictures are from the foothills of Aeolis Mons. What you’re seeing is sand, with the colours looking as they would on Mars. There are huge rocky outcrops around there but because Curiosity isn’t very large it has to stick to relatively level paths.

The sand comes from wind erosion. Mars’ atmosphere has a tremendous amount of dust in it which is constantly scouring the exposed rocks.

Observe: not red.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01228/mhli/1228MH0005640010403407C00_DXXX.jpg

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01228/mcam/1228MR0056440000603319E01_DXXX.jpg

Tessa
Tessa
5 years ago

sevenofmine:

So women shouldn’t be allowed in the military because men are petulant children who will refuse to do their jobs if they don’t get their own way? Seems legit.

That’s not fair. I think it’s perfectly grown up and reasonable to let someone die in a firefight when he could help because they slept with a person he liked. That’s totally just people being people. And definitely the kind of person everybody wants in the military. Who better to have at your back than someone who would betray you at the littlest perceived slight??? You’re just being unpatriotic!

Mish
Mish
5 years ago

“how freaking cool is it that we have a robot on another planet?”

EJ (The Other One) you are so right. Brilliant photos 🙂

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ EJ

Observe: not red.

Well of course not. They have to ship the film from the Nevada desert to Industrial Light and Magic for post production first. 😉

Tessa
Tessa
5 years ago

EJ (The Other One)

We had a discussion the other day about the colour of Mars, and I wanted to share these because how freaking cool is it that we have a robot on another planet?

Three robots! The real hero is Opportunity. It was supposed to be a three month mission, but it’s still going after 12 years!

snork maiden
5 years ago

OT,

but apparently Roosh is going to sue S. Jane Gari, the blogger who related the rape allegations by that girl in Iceland. Here’s a broken link from Mike Cernovich’s blog:

http://www.danger andplay.com/2016/02/18/the-roosh-rape-hoax-and-defamation-lawsuits/

Given what a bad idea it is to sue for defamation, especially when your name is already mud, how does everyone think this will play out?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Re: planetary rovers

There was a great documentary about the Apollo Lunar Rover. Space buffs probably already know that initially Grumman were going to build it. Their design had an autonomous aspect so after the astronauts left it could continue exploring.

General Motors however decided that if there was to be a car on the Moon it should be one of theirs so they put their best salesman on the job. A scale model was produced (which the engineer still has) to show exactly how it would deploy.

The person from NASA who made the final decision said that they knew intellectualy that the Grumman design was better but GM gave them the impression that “we could pick one up from the lot tomorrow in any colour we wanted” so they went with that. I hope the salesman was on commission.

snork maiden
5 years ago

Also, here is the article Roosh wrote about it on Return of Kings:

http://www.returnof kings.com/80628/s-jane-gari-publishes-fake-rape-allegation-against-me-prompting-legal-action

I can’t get donotlink or any archive sites to work this morning, hence putting a broken link.

To save people reading the article, he lies flagrantly, claiming that he has never:

Things I’ve never done in my life:

Follow a girl home.
Ask a woman to “touch my penis.”
Try to make physical advances on a crying girl.
Have sex in an Icelandic girl’s home while she was alone.
Tell a girl that rape is “every woman’s fantasy.”

Given that in his articles and his books he does claim to have followed girls home (drunk), have sex with them while alone, and has spoken about his own rape fantasies, I guess that makes Roosh a liar, who knew?

He also uses this as an opportunity to bring in the UVA rape debacle, not that it’s relevant, just a cynical ploy to conflate the two.

I hope this bankrupts him.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

One of my favourite bits of space trivia is that, because the Gemini programme was conceived after Apollo (and the Gemini craft were built after the Block 1 Apollo vehicles), the Gemini craft are much more advanced than the Apollo ones.

(Some of the lessons learned were incorporated into the Block 2 Apollo designs)

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Tessa:
Thank you for the reminder. Let us celebrate Opportunity. Sadly her pictures aren’t quite as breathtaking. Digital photography has advanced immensely since 2003 and it shows.

http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/4290/1P509034461ESFCP70P2403L5M1-BR.JPG
(Image courtesy of NASA/JPL-Caltech.)

(Is it just me or does that look like the opening scenes from The Two Towers, where we expect to see Smeagol leading Frodo and Sam across the rocks at any moment?)

ETA: Image won’t embed. Sadface.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@snorkmaiden:
Thanks for the heads up. Let’s see if anything comes of it. IIRC Gari is based in Iceland herself; if that’s the case then will Valizadeh have to bring suit in Iceland?

Let’s see how he manages that.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

@Mexican Hot Chocolate

A BunchofTards should explain his…theory to Ruth Westheimer who was wounded as a scout and sniper during the Israeli War of Independence.

If not the whole Israeli military, which hasn’t has much trouble having female soldiers in their ranks. At all.

@Mish

Forgot to add this in my previous comment due to over-excitement (probably).
http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/the-four-predictably-basic-moves-of-mens-rights-activists-20160211-gmri2v.html

It’s an article by Aust. feminist Clem Ford (a week old now, but hey) and wow the four predictable moves of MRAs she describes are spookily familiar – no doubt to anyone who frequents this blog.

It’s pretty damn accurate – I just wish it was longer! Seriously, those points were just the tip of the ice berg…

@Social Justice Atheist

Can MRAs literally not imagine any circumstance where men and women can be together without f*cking going on? Is that idea just too radical for their tiny manbaby minds to grasp?

Considering their argument that men just can’t resist sexual urges the moment they see breasts or buttocks – yet are somehow more “rational” than all those supposedly overemotional ladies – they’re making excuses for not composing themselves around women who are not relatives of theirs’.

Ellesar
Ellesar
5 years ago

Roosh – the shit that will not compost, just keeps stinking.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 years ago

Y’know, looking at the illustration at the top, the manly man is dealing with a shoulder wound. It’s the redhead and the blonde who are preparing to fight off the Nazis. I do believe that makes them pretty bad-ass. All the picture needs is a brunette in her satin tights, fighting for our rights….

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ vikki p

There’s a dark haired woman sneaking round the back to outflank them. Who do you think set fire to the windmill?

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 years ago

@ Alan

Oh, of course. Just because she can tank her way through the front lines doesn’t mean she’s not capable of being sneaky.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Following what Victorious Parasol said, I’ve been looking at that picture more closely. Those German soldiers have red shoulder tabs. Depending on the shade of red and according to wikipedia, that could mean either:
– They’re all generals (unlikely, given that generals seldom travel in packs)
– They’re artillery personnel (unlikely, given the lack of cannons)
– They belong to the veterinary service

Now look at the environment they’re in. There’s a windmill that’s on fire, and the same fire has spread to a nearby aircraft. Farmland was commonly used, I believe, for emergency airstrips and this must have been the case here. You know what else farmland has? Animals. That must be why there’s a truckload of veterinarians there.

There’s a fire at a farm, and the vets are running over to help the animals. That probably explains why, of the three running vets, only one has remembered to take a firearm with him. The others probably don’t think they need them for rescuing animals from a fire. I’d probably agree, but then I’m not a veterinarian, what do I know?

The question is, why are there two people with perfectly-coiffed hair in the foreground without their jackets on? Look at how the veterinarians are dressed, it’s evidently cold. They must have fled from the fire whilst doing their hair. One of them is holding a gun, the other is throwing an explosive in the opposite direction from the vets, and between them is a person who’s been shot in the shoulder. He’s also wearing a flotation device despite being in farmland rather than the ocean. This man is up to no good.

My theory is that these are trainee hairdressers who were renting space at a farm. Being diligent at their trade, they were practising doing one another’s hair inside in the warmth and thus weren’t wearing their jackets. When the fire started they evacuated (sensibly) and bumped into the man in the flotation device preparing to throw another bomb and set even more of the farm on fire. They shot him non-lethally, which made him fall into a hole created by one of his earlier bombs. Quickly the hairdresser on the right dived in to seize the bomb and throw it safely far away from anything flammable, and the hairdresser on the right is signalling for the vets to call the police and arrest the troublemaker.

Any other interpretation would, of course, be absurd.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ vikki p

The sneakiest thing they’ve done is get the bloke to wear hi viz so he’s the obvious bullet magnet. 🙂

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