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An Icelandic woman has come forward to accuse Roosh V of rape, blogger reports

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Roosh Valizadeh: Accused

Things may be about to get very messy for pickup artist and most-hated-man-in-the-world candidate Roosh Valizadeh.

S. Jane Gari, the author of Losing the Dollhouse, a memoir dealing with emotional abuse, writes in a recent blog post that an Icelandic woman has come to her to tell her story of being raped by Roosh.

Up until this point, as Gari notes, Roosh has responded to accusations that he is a rapist — a conclusion many have come to by simply reading his own deeply creepy and unsettling accounts of his past sexual exploits — by proudly declaring that not a single woman has come forward to accuse him of rape.

“You would think that one girl would have come forward by now and say, ‘Roosh did it. He raped me,'” Gari reports Roosh as saying during his bizarre recent press coference. “Not one has come forward. Not one.’”

“Now she has,” Gari declares.

One of Roosh’s victims read my blog back in November and reached out to me, asking for my help in exposing him. She finally agreed to be interviewed after seeing how he continues to spout his poisonous, misogynist rhetoric with sickening bravado. I hope her courage will inspire other possible Roosh victims to come forward as well.

Here’s the story of the woman Gari calls “Susan” to protect her anonymity. (You can find more details on her blog.)

When Susan left a nightclub with her friends, Roosh, approached her on the street and insisted on walking her home. She asked him to leave her alone. Later, when she became separated from her friends, she noticed he was following her.

“You have a beautiful but sad walk. I know a great place to have a drink. You can join me. It will be fun,” he said.

Susan, Gari writes, told him several more times she didn’t want his supposed help, but he continued following her anyway.

When they reached Susan’s house, Gari continues, Roosh

asked politely if he could just use the toilet. Sleepy and still drunk from her night out, she acquiesced and let him in to use the bathroom.

Up until this point, Susan’s story matches one of the stories in Roosh’s book Bang Iceland almost exactly. The disappearance of Susan’s friends, which Roosh saw as an incredible bit of luck for him; Roosh following her home despite her clear and repeated protests; his insistence on coming in to use the bathroom — all of this is in Roosh’s own account.

It’s at this point that Roosh’s and Susan’s stories diverge wildly.

In Roosh’s version of events, she thanks him for walking him home, and after heating up some soup on the stove, joins Roosh on the couch

putting her legs over mine. Her wet feet were tiny and I compared them to my hands, which were a few inches larger. I went into horny creep mode and started rubbing her legs while talking.

Yes, even in Roosh’s own account, he comes across as a creepy predator.

After a brief conversation, they start kissing; she gets up, pours herself a bowl of soup, then heads into her bedroom.

“I followed her,” Roosh writes.

It went so fast in her bedroom that even I felt weird. Clothes ripped off. “Do you have a condom?” Jam the dick inside. Barely any kissing. I was too drunk to feel anything and she was too drunk to produce much in the way of lubrication, so after five minutes we stopped having sex, if that’s what you want to call it, and lay on our backs. She fell asleep and started snoring.

The next morning, Roosh says, he got up and left while she lay there sleeping.

As Roosh tells the story, in other words, he had brief, bad sex with a woman who was so not into it she was bone dry, and so drunk she passed out shortly after he gave up. It’s not clear even from his own account whether she was lucid enough to give meaningful consent. (This, by the way, is NOT the Icelandic woman Roosh has said he had sex with even though “in America” she would have been considered too drunk to give consent; that story comes later in Roosh’s book.)

Susan’s account of what happened after Roosh emerged from her bathroom is even more troubling. As Gari tells the story, Roosh asked her if she was home alone. When she said yes,

he asked her to touch his penis. When she refused, Roosh grabbed her.

Susan started crying and said, “Why are you doing this? You’re crazy.”

He laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.” And then, according to Susan, he raped her.

So which account is more plausible — Roosh’s story of drunken but consensual sex or Susan’s story of forcible rape? If the latter, is Roosh’s version of events a lie, or is it his attempt to convince not only his readers but himself that what happened was just bad sex, not rape?

It’s worth noting, as I did in a previous post, that Roosh has admitted elsewhere to using force to get his way during sex. In Bang Ukraine, for example, Roosh describes using “muscle” to hold a woman down after she told him she wanted to change positions when the two were having sex. “I refused and we argued,” he wrote.

She tried to squirm away while I was laying down my strokes so I had to use some muscle to prevent her from escaping. I was able to finish, but my orgasm was weak.

Afterwards I told her she was selfish and that she couldn’t call an audible so late in the game.

This, too, Roosh presents as perfectly consensual sex.

Even if Susan’s account of Roosh raping her is 100% true, it’s unlikely Roosh will ever be prosecuted for this alleged crime. “He’s an American and she lives in Iceland.,” Gari notes. “She feels she has no recourse.”

Gari ends her post by urging any woman who may have been victimized by Roosh to step forward as Susan has done.

As Gari is careful to point out, Susan’s allegations against Roosh “have not been brought formally, nor has he been found guilty of a crime in court.” And I should note as well that I have not spoken to Susan myself; I am simply relaying what Gari has written. You can draw your own conclusions from the story she tells. I know I have.

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Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
5 years ago

I’ll be reading this more carefully in the morning. Sigh. Fucking Doosh.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
5 years ago

It was only a matter of time. Also, even with a consenting partner, he sounds like the world’s worst lay.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

He belongs in a prison.

Nathan Hevenstone
5 years ago

I believe her, not least because this is exactly what I expect of Roosh. He is exactly this bad, if not worse.

Also… only two comments on that post, and they are utterly terrible. It may need a critical mass of commenters posting in support of S. Jane Gari and “Susan”… if anyone’s up to it.

(ETA: bless the ability to edit comments… I’m on my third edit of this one, and it’s short.)

octopod
octopod
5 years ago

What on earth does “call an audible” mean? Do I want to know?

Mels
Mels
5 years ago

Wait, is she being called Susan or Sarah? I’m a bit confused.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

Even his account makes it sound like she never consented. I’m glad for her that she came forward. I hope she gets justice if she wants it, but completely understand if she doesn’t want the hassle.

Speaking of which, why is it so hard for some people to believe rape happened if there aren’t legal charges? Like with other forms of assault, sometimes it’s not worth the effort. Do these people bring charges against anyone who gets in a physical altercation with them? Somehow, I doubt it.

kupo
kupo
5 years ago

What on earth does “call an audible” mean? Do I want to know?

It’s an American football reference.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I think we can all predict the response of the Roosh fan boys.

Something along the lines of “she didn’t immediately report it to the police, therefore she’s just making it up to get attention and ruin Roosh’s reputation.”

The goal posts will keep shifting and even if he is ever actually convicted of rape, they will still say he is not a rapist and doesn’t endorse rape.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/milo_05/HeadDesk.gif

Jamie
Jamie
5 years ago

You switched from Susan to Sarah.

Mels
Mels
5 years ago

why is it so hard for some people to believe rape happened if there aren’t legal charges?

I think its just any excuse to discredit victims. Even if there are charges, it becomes “bitch was lying” or “what did she expect for looking/acting/existing like that.” Excuses, nothing more…

Bina
5 years ago

Happy Valentine’s Day, Roosh, you disgusting motherfucker. I hope they shred your ass in court.

Margaret Pless
Margaret Pless
5 years ago

Didn’t Roosh also say in one of his crappy books that men should say they need to go to the bathroom to get access to a woman’s house if she doesn’t invite him in for sex, then, once inside, proceed as if she had?

I seem to remember that being a pro tip in one or another of the Bang series; guess it’s a trusted play for Roosh.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

“Susan” came forward because he’s still out there running his mouth and though he might not have opportunities like those he brags about in his dumb e-bang-books anymore, he doesn’t have a problem with what he did nor would he do anything differently in the situation were it in the present day.

For the morons who support this toilet sludge and don’t see anything wrong with his actions past or present, who will undoubtedly be showing up to whinge…..What, U mad bros?

Too bad, cupcakes.

Terrabeau
Terrabeau
5 years ago

Ugh… well, if there’s any silver lining to this shitty, shitty story, it’s that Roosh might be given his long overdue stay in prison over it. I hope “Susan” gets the love and support she needs now.

Snork Maiden
5 years ago

I was hoping someone would come forward one day, maybe now his notoriety is spreading some other women will come forward. If they can give a time line of events that matches Roosh’s presence in their city (something they couldn’t know just from reading his accounts), then they should be believed. I doubt Roosh will ever be charged, but it’s good for their stories to be heard.

I always thought it weird that not one woman has ever admitted to being with Roosh, not to accuse or even defend him. I figured he was a man most women would want to forget.

Roosh wanted to be famous, now he gets to deal with his skeletons coming out of the closet.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 years ago

From the descriptions, he sounds like a rapist AND a lousy lay. Guess the bar for “hero” in PUA-land is pretty low.

Bina
5 years ago

he asked her to touch his penis. When she refused, Roosh grabbed her.

Susan started crying and said, “Why are you doing this? You’re crazy.”

He laughed and overpowered her with force, saying, “All girls like this. It’s every woman’s fantasy. You don’t even know what you’re saying. You’re drunk, but I like drunk girls.” And then, according to Susan, he raped her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbfttPAj66k

Srsly, I hope Iceland CAN drag his ass to court over this. Even if they have to get an extradition. Or Interpol involved. Let’s see how macho and internationally renowned he feels THEN.

bluecat
bluecat
5 years ago

I’ve always rather hoped Roosh’s yarns are fantasies – or as we also say, lies. But I realised that I was being a bit too hopeful. And also that it didn’t matter very much, so long as there are fools reading his stuff who were liable to think it was true and might actually be conduct to emulate.

Really, very horrible. I hope his accuser and the blogger are safe, too. And anyone else who’s out there with similar experiences.

Oh, and what the hell is wrong with someone who hurts another person bad enough to make them cry while telling them it’s what every woman wants and it’s what they want and that they don’t know what they’re saying?

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

I hope she can find peace someday.

And I hope that day will be when Roosh lands his unwiped ass in prison, where he belongs.

Good luck preaching “game” when you’re locked in a 5′ by 7′, Rooshy.

Bina
5 years ago

And if they Icelandic authorities can do nothing else, may they declare him persona non grata.

And may all other countries follow suit.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@Bina: And let’s hope that Susan’s courage inspires other victims to come forward.

Not that I have hope in the system. 30 women came forward to call Cosby a rapist, and people still deny it.

Fabe
Fabe
5 years ago

Even if this Woman does not go ahead and file charges Her just coming forward might give rooshs other victims the courage to come forward as well. Just look at what happened to Bill Cosby .first one victim stood up and others followed.

Joel
Joel
5 years ago

Reading her account made me feel sick.

JoeB
JoeB
5 years ago

What on earth does “call an audible” mean? Do I want to know?

It’s an American football reference.

To elaborate further it’s when the team with the ball changes the play they are going to run after having already lined up, based on how the defense is arranged.

“We were going to do this, but based on the situation, we should actually do that instead”.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

30 women came forward to call Cosby a rapist, and people still deny it.

Minor correction: 55 women, so far.

dontgiveahoot
5 years ago

This is the sort of thing which makes me not want to do anything nice for a man ever, in case this is what they do. I really hate the idea of refusing to let someone use the toilet, because it’s a required bodily function, but the brutal truth of it is that I know some guys where I honestly would not want to let them in my home even for that, because once they’d finished in there they’d settle themselves down and follow me into the bedroom and generally would not leave until they got what they wanted, the way Roosh describes himself as doing.

GiJoel
GiJoel
5 years ago

I need a unicorn chaser.

Here’s some dogs being cute, and funny.

ultimateprotagonistnerd
ultimateprotagonistnerd
5 years ago

“What on earth does “call an audible” mean? Do I want to know?”

In American Football, a quarterback (the one that throws the ball) can call an “audible”, which is when they tell the rest of the offense to change positions so they run a different play than the one that had been originally called.

bluecat
bluecat
5 years ago

when they tell the rest of the offense to change positions so they run a different play than the one that had been originally called.

Further confirmation then – if any were needed – that Roosh is at best the crappiest lay in the Northern Hemisphere and at worst… well, a rapist and a promoter of rape.

You can’t change position? Because it might interfere with his enjoyment?

My, what fun: I’d rather have a boil lanced.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
5 years ago

Looks like Roosh is in the middle of flouncing off Twitter.

Bina
5 years ago

Srsly, fuck Roosh’s enjoyment of anything. I hope the next woman he approaches deals him so much humiliation that his penis wilts permanently.

Ace
Ace
5 years ago

Excuse me, I need to go throw up a few hundred times. And find my whiskey bottle.

Good gods all above! I hope Susan is okay and that she can find peace and healing. I hope that nobody else needs to come forward; and I know that that is not going to be the case.

To every woman who might have been raped by Roosh. We, here at the Mammoth, hear you and believe you.

(If you don’t, then you probably shouldn’t be here.)

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

AsAboveSoBelow,
It doesn’t say why though.
Weird.

What I got from his feed is that he’s moving to Russia now and he keeps spamming some story about a “hot blonde girl” who’s dying of cancer and has decided to share all of women’s secrets. Without even clicking on the link, I’ve got to say it sounds like an obvious troll as one of the secrets is women have sex with dogs.

It is hilarious to me that Roosh is complaining about SJWs repressing his freeze peach so he’s moving to a country where dissent is actively repressed by the Putin government. I guess the only frozen peaches that matter are those of conservative men.

Cthulhu's Intern
Cthulhu's Intern
5 years ago

I have a feeling that if Cosby is convicted, more women will come forward to accuse Roosh as well, due to precedence.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

@Bina,

Srsly, I hope Iceland CAN drag his ass to court over this. Even if they have to get an extradition. Or Interpol involved. Let’s see how macho and internationally renowned he feels THEN.

I assume he’ll knock on the door of his local Ecuadorian embassy and ask for asylum. After all, it worked for the other guy, and he’s still pretty internationally renowned, right?

Assuming the Ecuadorians point and laugh at him, I hope someone gets it on camera.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
5 years ago

@WWTH: Twitter just formed a “Trust and Safety Council” that includes Anita Sarkeesian. Watch the manurespherians blame her if there’s a mass Twitter exodus. I think Roosh just doesn’t want to be challenged or made accountable to anyone. He’s a fucking coward.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I would love for there to be a mass exodus of twitter misogynists!

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Eh, Twitter says it’s going to do something like this every few months and always “Forgets” the very next day.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago

I wonder if this is the same account wherein he later added that the girl and he had sex a few more times over the next several days? It sounded to me like he made this claim of sleeping with the *possibly raped* young woman “several more times over the next few days” so as to sound like oh, she would not have let me bang her so many more times if the first time hadn’t been OK with her.

I am just too chocolate-caked out right now to search his quotes to see if indeed this was the same woman or not that he gave his later addendum to.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs | February 14, 2016 at 9:11 pm
Minor correction: 55 women, so far.

Which makes the fact that people still defend him even worse.

One man calls a woman a sl*t/wh*re/says she fucked him, and everyone and their dog believes him, but 55 women say a man is a rapist and people will still jump to defend him and call them liars.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

I read Elliot Rodger’s manifesto to deal with online trolls. I really don’t want to read Roosh’s books if I can avoid it, but it’s important to line them up for a lot of reasons. I hope they can be torrented because I’m not giving him my money (also I’m unemployed…)

Sofia van der Linde
Sofia van der Linde
5 years ago

For the moment, he still lives in Maryland with his mother so Susan could report him to the authorities there. Moreover, I doubt Roosh can afford moving to Russia or wanting to. The claim he lived in Poland was probably to discourage his victims.

Ashara Payne
Ashara Payne
5 years ago

His line about ‘it’s every woman’s fantasy’ sounds like something Doosh would say. Yes, some women do have rape fantasies, but if you read the psychology of it, it does NOT mean they want to be raped. The fantasy is that she is so desirable that Brad Pitt (or whoever) can’t control himself. No-one fantasises that some Doosh will rape them. And what’s with the small foot fetish? He is sounding more and more like a paedo. One of the other women he raped he described as ‘tiny’ and how much that aroused him. At least they have his books as evidence, but he’ll most likely say they were satire. He even suggested to Reggie Yates that all men have done it and asked him if he had and was surprised when he said no. He clearly has never had enthusiastic consent, ever.

Carrie
Carrie
5 years ago

Did anyone else catch this author’s account of the “Nice” guy who started his attempted rape by asking his date if he could come in for a glass of water? The woman had a great date with the “Nice Guy” and had definitely shot down his earlier sexual advances, but now I’m wondering if he was just pulling a Roosh.

“Nice Guys” often sounds just like “Nice Guise”.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kirstenking/i-dont-owe-anyone-my-body#.sik67ZV0o

Bina
5 years ago

Assuming the Ecuadorians point and laugh at him, I hope someone gets it on camera.

I can hear the manhood jokes in charmingly accented Spanish already.

“Quien es el pendejo de mierda con la salchicha chiquitica? Porqué no se límpia el culo?” Etc.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

I’d love to reply with a message of support on S. Jane Gari’s blog, but I can do so only using Facebook to sign in.

Manospherians have showed up in the comments, so anyone who doesn’t mind using Facebook to sign in might consider clicking through and sending a message of support.

Susan, I believe you! I wish you all the best.

And S. Jane Gari, thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Chiomara
Chiomara
5 years ago

This is the sort of thing which makes me not want to do anything nice for a man ever, in case this is what they do.

Don’t. Even the cable guy, I take his id before he enters and keep the police number dialed at the phone by my side at all times when I am alone . I look behind me at the street every few seconds and carry my keys as a weapon. I am never alone with any man other than my father and brother and gay childhood friend. A goddamn life of taking extreme care, and still, several times, it was not enough.
And then they complain when we say all men are potential rapists.

Miss Andry
5 years ago

Whoa. I just finished a post on some stupid, racist, homophobic stuff Matt Forney said on a more recent podcast. This was on the 12th and I have him defending Roosh as well, using the same “You’d think someone would’ve come forward” shtick. Guess I’ll update accordingly. In the morning, that is.

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