Are you saddened by the racial divisions in the United States?
One Red Pill Redditor who calls himself Cosmicicarus has come up with a bold new plan that he claims could put a dent in urban poverty — and also help nerdy white dudes get some attention paid to their long-suffering you-know-whats.
His proposal: Low-income black women should eschew ebonics, cultivate a demure femininity, and start hanging out in comic book stores in order to catch the eye of lonely white nerdboys who are sick and tired of stuck-up white gals and their icky feminism.
Cosmicicarus — who describes himself as a “black guy” who got to know a lot of white dudes in college — sees his plan as so logical and sensible he’s kind of amazed that black women haven’t already figured it out on their own.
On one side of the racial divide, he writes,
there seems to be a growing minority of [white] guys who are either lonely or are fed up with what they see as a growing anti-male feminist culture hostile to them.
And on the other side, there are black women stuck working at dead-end jobs in the ghetto, seemingly destined to live out the rest of their lives in poverty.
“[I]t seems to me,” Cosmicicarus notes,
that from a low income/poor young black girls perspective the best choice she could possibly make to move up to middle class status is to make herself desirable to and to actively pursue young white men straight out of college as they are preparing their careers and older divorced white men fed up with feminism.
And what an opportunity these gals have in front of them! All they have to do to take advantage of it is to completely make themselves over into every white nerdboy’s fantasy.
[W]hite guys that go on to be successful can be pretty nerdy (star trek, star wars, xbox fanboys, comic books, dungeons and dragons, cosplay, card games etc) A lot of women can see some of those things as loserish so many of these guys end up complaining that white women don’t show them any love. Seems like this is a great opportunity for black women to do for those guys what the white women won’t.
That’s right, ladies: you’re going to need to develop an interest in Star Wars and World of Warcraft. Or at least learn how to pretend that you’re interested.
Rather than wait for men to make the move as has been the historical norm low-income black women should actively hit on and ask out these sorts of guys out on dates. Go to where they hang out in college or go to comic book stores, gamestop etc… Those places can be like a buffet of single white guys.
But don’t be too forward, black ladies! Remember that these fellas want feminine women, not feminists!
BW should work on … developing the type of feminine qualities that these guys are looking for. The cute soft voiced girl who plays World of Warcraft type of thing.
And don’t scare off these sensitive young men by dressing like sluts! Think “sexy (but not too sexy) librarian.”
I think those girls should also dress in ways that hide their assets to encourage those mens imaginations. Instead of tight jeans I would think a librarian look might be more effective.
And for goodness sake, gals, try not to come across as irretrievably ghetto.
Issues that could make this unworkable would be if they spoke ebonics/ghetto as many people look down on this. Doing drugs and other illegal activities would be a big no-no. Having children already would also put a lot of guys off and finally being slutty or being with a lot of guys would probably scare off these types of guys.Thinking they might have to fight off angry black guys might also be an issue.
So it seems like black women have some work to do if they want to catch the nerdy white dudes of their dreams (or at least of Cosmicicarus’ dreams). What do the nerdy white dudes have to do to make themselves similarly attractive to black women?
Apparently nothing. They just have to remain white and nerdy with decent career prospects.
Cosmicicarus admits there may be some issues that could render his plan “unworkable.” For example, some black women might not want to completely change their identities in order to appeal to WoW-playing nerds. And some white dudes might be too darn racist to want to have anything to do with black women, even the WoW-playing sexy librarian types.
If the reaction of other Red Pill Redditors is any indication, this last issue may well prove insurmountable. Red Pill types love talking shit about white women and their allegedly snooty ways, but they hate black women even more.
“Have you actually met a low income black woman?” one Red Pill Redditor wrote.
The majority are rowdy, obnoxious and classless. So bad that the majority of middle class black men won’t even date them, let alone a man of a different race.
“Black women need to work on themselves before attempting to seduce anyone,” wrote another Red Piller.
Unfortunately the strong independent women who don’t need no man rhetoric has been internalized by many females in the black community. Especially due to the large obnoxious black woman trope that Hollywood and the media force feed everyone.
Yet another Red Piller was even more blunt, declaring simply that “we don’t want em.”
Any hopes that Cosmicicarus had of becoming a sort of Martin Luther King of opportunistic interracial dating seem to have been dashed.
Sure, but the very premise of the classic sitcom is that a one dimensional stereotype is made fun of. If it’s done well, it can be funny. BBT isn’t typically done very well but it isn’t unique in poking fun of the subjects and it isn’t meaner than any other traditional sitcom. I’m not defending BBT, just saying that lazy comedy is not evidence of nerds being oppressed.
I do think it’s offensive that the writers make fun of autism in a punching down kind of way and then play dumb and pretend that Sheldon is in no way supposed to be read as on the spectrum though.
Ninja’d on the autism thing!
I’d actually love to see a comedy about autism written by autistic people that jokes about the subject from the perspective of autistic people and doesn’t punch down. That would be fantastic.
There was this one joke from Community I saw giffed on tumblr, where a guy in a dress shirt and tie says “Hey, [character], you’re autistic! Can’t you just look at this and figure it out?”
And the character gets into a “Numb3rs” style monologue and says “I see a network using mental illness as a deus ex machina” or something like that.
I wish I could find it, it was really funny and right to the damn point.
Wouldn’t it be orders of magnitude less work to become a nerd yourself and access these mysterious nerd-dollars if the only thing required to be a nerd is…hanging out in a comic book store?
So many brilliant remarks, Mammotheers!
@scildfreja
Kickass poem!
Here’s my 2 cents:
It would be swell if assholes would stop thinking that (impoverished) black women ought to be enslaved by (affluent) white men.
What would also be swell: if assholes would stop thinking that anyone ought to be enslaved by anyone for any reason.
And I must apologize to actual assholes, who IRL perform a very necessary function, without which all animals would die.
Speaking of racism,
http://gawker.com/cleveland-files-claim-against-tamir-rices-family-for-un-1758377203
Holy fucking shit what the fucking fuckity fuck!?
But white cishet nerd guys are the real oppressed group. Right.
@PI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9vRmLUCn50
Community is pretty amazing. It’s my go-to for explaining the difference between punching up and punching down in comedy. (For those who aren’t familiar, the best example is Chevy Chase’s character Pierce who is depicted as highly bigoted, but most of his humour is based on how ridiculous and outdated those bigotries are – not because it’s funny to be a bigot)
I actually like Big Bang Theory, mostly because the number of programs which depict physicist foibles in a way that can be recognised by physicists (rather than by portraying us as ivory-tower fools or as sinister magicians) is vanishingly small. I’m certainly not going to claim that it isn’t extremely ableist and fairly sexist, though, or that my enjoyment of it isn’t dependent upon my being privileged enough to not be harmed by that.
I haven’t seen Community, but from what Paradoxy has said it sounds awesome.
I just read the Cracked article. I like Cracked sometimes, depending on the writer (JF Sargent and Luke McKinney are pretty solid from what I’ve read), but I’m disappointed in Mark Hill for this one. Didn’t read the comments because lol blood pressure.
Like, I can have empathy for manospherians too sometimes, having been told I was entitled to various things growing up and then finding out that oops, I’m not. (Different things, though, as a white cis woman.) But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t react to these dudes with overt anger. He can safely tone police from his position because red pillers don’t pose any kind of threat to him. Women don’t have that privilege. And rape culture isn’t gonna vanish if we’re all nicey-nice about it, for fuck’s sake.
Ugh, so much for blood pressure.
Another vote in favor of Community. Six seasons and a movie! (Okay, S6 had its rough spots, but it was still better than S4.)
I actually really enjoyed S6, though it was a pretty big departure from the previous seasons in a lot of ways. Yahoo gave Harmon a bigger budget and basically zero script notes, so he had a lot of room to just kinda do whatever he wanted. I appreciated the overall more dramatic tone; Harmon has a knack for setting up silly scenes that turn incredibly serious and/or dark, and I always get a kick out of it.
Because what would SHE know about being a woman and how she likes to be treated, amirite? No, better trust some blithering idiot of a man. He knows EVERYTHING.
SO MUCH THIS. Of course, they most likely think it’s because they’re (a) white, (b) in possession of a penis, and (c) have read some books (probably by Ayn Rand).
And now I have to find that t-shirt, the one that says “Give me the confidence of a mediocre white man”. Because that right there must be the solution to all my problems.
Community is the absolute best.
@Terrabeau my first thought was the stunning intersectionality of racism, misogyny and classism. I’m slightly disappointed that transphobia wasn’t worked in somehow.
I love J. F. He’s a very good guy, I have talked to him privately sometimes ^^
I’ve been reading and enjoying WHTM for a while, and should first thank David for reading all of this so many of us are spared the full brunt.
Other regulars have addressed the main flaws of the not-so-brilliant-idea for the redpillars, so I’ll just keep this light. I’m a librarian. I wore my hair in not just one bun, but two. Also, tight leather trousers and combat boots.
Can someone please tell me what I’m doing wrong? I’ve tried to post 4 times in this thread so far, and every dang time my comment gets eaten. I mean I understand the 4th incident at least a little since it was mostly an edit of the 3rd post I wrote that got eaten, but I’m really not understanding why the rest got eaten. So yeah advice?
Edit: Yes it posted woo, didn’t get eaten 5 times.
I bet no one talked too loudly when you were around!
Another huge shout out for Community. Also, Gillian Jacobs has a new show coming out on Netflix. Here’s hoping she Britta’d the crap out of it
“Based Mom” Christina Hoff Sommers has earned their undying devotion by posting on YouTube about how she doesn’t know anything about video games, goodness no, but she’s ever so impressed by how smart and manly and fascinating male gamers are. But not female gamers, they’re awful for trying to invade a sacred male space, and also for not dating Gamergaters even though they’re such fantastic catches.
Hmm, maybe you give them too much credit ? I mean, at the end, i believe they just want to put their gouzigouzi in the piloupilou of a woman regardless of her shape and thoughts. It is just they can not, thus they are pretending to have “standards” and wallow against anybody and anything that does not complain to those “standards”.
And now, i am generalising too much. Bad me.
Re: TV and Attitudes
I don’t know what it’s like in the US,but in Britain I’ve always though kids’ TV was way ahead of mainstream programming when it came to progressive attitudes.
Nowadays, producers will pat themselves on the back because their soap opera has a gay character who’s Schlick is more than just that there’s gay, or a depiction of a non white family who don’t look like they live in a 1970s sitcom.
But Grange Hill had fully developed non white characters back in the 70s, and they didn’t skirt around issues, but neither did they make them “very special episode” grand themes and then never mention them again. The fact that Benny (a black kid) was on the receiving end of subtle, and not always intentional, racism, even from the otherwise ‘nice’ kids, was a bit of an ongoing theme.
They also addressed gay issues in a way that probably no ‘grown up’ show would dare. At a school talent night one of the kids told a flurry of gay stereotype jokes to a chorus of giggles. She then shifted her act into full on racist joke mode. Her raise of an eyebrow at the end when the audience was in stunned silence, was a brilliant way of making a point.
ETA: for our USian friends who like Blackadder, see if you can check out kids show ‘Maid Marion and her Merry Men’. Just as funny, but also gender politics. (Lot of the same production team as Blackadder)
Jihan Crowther’s article on Jezebel yesterday seems very apropos:
http://jezebel.com/what-dating-abroad-taught-me-about-stateside-racism-1745559824
@occasional reader
I’m sitting on the bus trying not to laugh out loud. These are amazing terms!
@Alan Robertshaw
Shtick. It’s shtick. The only entries a quick google gave me for ‘shlick’ are from urban dictionary. Once again i’m trying to keep a straight face on the bus!
Thanks for the tv recommendations, i really did enjoy Blackadder.
large obnoxious black woman trope
Does the writer understand that this is typically Martin Lawrence in a dress?