On the Twitter, some of Donald Trump’s most unsavory supporters are celebrating his big win in New Hampshire by flooding Twitter with bad photoshops, racist cartoons, creepy fan art, anime memes, and more than a few Trump-themed Pepes.
I found a lot of these by looking at the #FashTheNation hashtag; it’s the name of an alt-right YouTube show. The “fash” part of the title refers to “fascism,” not “fashion.” I left out some of the more extravagantly racist memes I ran across.
https://twitter.com/grootstok/status/697230550159851520
https://twitter.com/franz_soapbar/status/697240141841068032
https://twitter.com/DinduNuffink/status/697232434841186309
https://twitter.com/franz_soapbar/status/697233905892524032
https://twitter.com/franz_soapbar/status/697230459785183233
#FashTheNation BREAKING NEWS: Trump wins NH. Anime girls materialize from nothing and immediately endorse Trump. pic.twitter.com/1NMDhBjiay
— Nuanced takes (@surgeonffs) February 10, 2016
https://twitter.com/grootstok/status/697229785299230720
https://twitter.com/JohnRandom1234/status/697239157970604032
https://twitter.com/genbarrison/status/697238840659079168
https://twitter.com/Clausfarre143/status/697238666813505537
https://twitter.com/Gajda_m8/status/697238412034764801
https://twitter.com/genbarrison/status/697224906732388353
https://twitter.com/neueeuropa/status/697234139477442560
IKR?? I can only assume the next step is actual, real-life genocide, but for the lulz.
I don’t understand what their problem is with Canada/Trudeau, even when accounting for shitlord logic. Trudeau is a rich white guy who has a conventionally attractive wife and the prime minister of a large country – shouldn’t they be in awe of his alphaness, not depicting his decapitation?
Or is this because Trump said (paraphrasing) “Ted Cruz is a liar because he’s from Canada”?
Hi infrequent lurker, recently turned poster in a quest to ask a question he hasn’t ask yet because he’s trying to find the right time and place for it. So sorry if I do anything stupid.
This is me making a (sort of) educated guess but I’d say it’s because if want to link this back to the sexism and objectification of women that is typically associated with these sorts of people, we can assume that when they watch anime it’s typically for the objectification of women and girls, thus they see the anime characters not as actual characters but as things to project there ideals of women on to, and have as a sort of attractive reward (A). Sorry if that’s nonsense, B). Sorry if that’s mansplaing the blindingly obvious, or just mansplaining C). Sorry if I’m doing the letter parentheses thing wrong). If anyone here wants to they can correct me on that or add their thoughts they can feel free to do so. Also would anyone mind if I go Agoodcartoon on these things? (also sorry if I’m linking something everyone knows about)
(also also sorry if I had any spelling or grammatical errors or come of as a troll ish)
(also also also yay for the edit function preventing me from getting block quote mammothed)
Trump’s daughter married a Jewish guy and converted to Judaism. I bring this up to point out that actual facts, substance, and even their own ideology will not get in the way of alt-right fuck heads’ burning desire to lick the jackboots of a strongman.
As a person who regularly browses /a/, /tg/ and /vg/ but despises anything /pol/ related, I wish to request a bit of time to explain.
As you know, 4Chan was based on a lot of anime, the discussion of it and try hards trying to shock people in every way possible with anything non anime related. This eventually died down thanks to time, federal agents knocking on the door of the site admin and the eventual creation of new boards to contain other people.
In practice what this did was two fold, the first was establishing a clique of ideas of how to post, what is and isn’t appropriate and so forth, the second amplifies these like an echochamber ludicrous levels. The worst of this, and what most of these images spurn from, are from the politics board /pol/.
/Pol/ is as every bit racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, zealous as you see here. Every thing they say is can is lies and carefully constructed bullshit manufactured wholesale by right wing media amplified by the lack of need to be responsible with their own words. This and a callous regard for others is exemplary of the right wing thought bubble in its distilled essence. The anime pictures are there simply cause ironically while calling for white power they worship the shit out of the female asian body and the power fantasies. Japan’s not exactly known for being good at understanding racism and its inherent xenophobia does not do it any favors.
A good question is, why only there? As in how are all the other boards as out there on their awfulness? 4Chan isn’t exactly favorable towards women, and sometimes minorities don’t get shit on in boards where the general audience is older.
It’s because of the board culture, the us v them mentality that helps, but a bigger thing is, the other boards dislike /pol/ for exactly those reasons. In any thread they’ll swarm and basically ruin it to hell and derailing any topic. The more scientific and lgbt friendly boards hate them for derailing their discussions and methodologies of making their crafts.
Now that isn’t to say that the other boards are going to actually be that welcoming to anyone who doesn’t want to deal with their casual BS, nor am I trying to excuse anyone’s behavior on that site. This is just to explain why /pol/ is in every way a cesspit that only grows and wanes to the tides of GOP power.
Fortunately, thanks to the simple fact that yes, people outside of Trump’s group, pretty much hate the hell out of him, and that group is the majority. This can pretty much show that, so long as people don’t roll over to a literal fascist, he will lose. Badly; in fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump and /pol/ would call for revolution when they realize that they cannot win the presidency.
I sincerely believe that when it happens, Trump will have a meltdown unlike any other, to know that when he fails, he’s going to be locked in obscurity for a lifetime. And it won’t be pretty.
No one should stop covering this and pointing out exactly what reasons these are all wretched, just be advised that they sincerely believe all this pseudo intellectual shit with all the rage and narcissistic hatred they hold so dear. Change is out of the question, believe me, I tried with one such friend.
Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Arthur:
I don’t recall seeing many ninjas or blonde guys in these memes. or even adult women. It always seems to be school-age girls, and that’s creepy as fuck. Looks like Trump has the fascist pedo vote.
I see your racist anime memes and raise you:
http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-953998-galleryV9-nojc-953998.jpg
Well, you can’t expect them to be attracted to women they don’t have power over, can you? That would make them have to treat those women like human beings!
/s
@Moggie
I should probably be a bit more descriptive about my comment.
Generally speaking, most of the mainstream anime that people watch often has extremely over-the-top characters (often male), hence the whole “Ninjas and flying blonde guys”, which refers to Nurato and Dragonball Z respectfully (and I “stole” that quote from something I read on TVTropes). I should have pointed out that I was talking about the power fantasy that anime gives during that point of my post. Sorry for all the confusion there.
You are correct to say that most of of the females appear underage though; in fact, virtually all female characters in anime are drawn to look cutesy and child-like, despite supposedly being adults. Thus, with the fact that most female characters in these shows are not really doing much except to be helpless, they become nothing more than objects… Objects for some very creepy people.
So between this sort of twisted objectification and the kind of escapist power fantasy that exists, you can see why someone of the creepy, insecure, and hyper-masculine weirdo would eat up this stuff.
Fashy, fashy facsists–how they love to scare us with their words! And when they’re particularly evil and wretched, they act out their horrible, antisocial fantasies.
My take on the use of anime girls is that postmod facsists don’t want to be left out of the wider postmod world. But they want to interact with it on their own terms. (Of course. Always!) So they coopt these anime girls to play a role in their own twisted fantasy world. Same with Pepe the frog.
Luckily, fictional characters are extremely tough and resilient. They can make it through any hostile situation with their psyches completely intact. And the real-life would-be dictator trying to rule over them will pay a very steep price indeed for attempting to harm them. I guarantee it.
Facists! I don’t know that the world will ever be rid of them.
We just have to keep them from having any power.
It’s a tall order. But we’re up to it.
@Ooglyboggles : to be honest, no board of 4chan look even remotely decent to me. I do agree that /pol/ is worse, but that’s like saying Santorum is worse than Trump : even if it’s true, it don’t say good thing about the lesser evil.
For me, 4chan might have been good five or ten year ago, but it’s rotten to the core now. They are better places to discuss anything now.
Apart from that, I don’t see trump having a meltdown. He already have lost at least one presidential race in the past, and this one is already looking like a big improvement. He is not a five year old toddler who throw a tantrum when things don’t go perfectly his way, and especially not when they go relatively well, just not perfectly well.
This shit is exactly why it will be CRUCIAL for all the moderates and “no trump for anything let alone political office!” people out there need to VOTE. We cannot let it be like the mid-term elections which gave the Republicans control of the legislature – the same idiots who sit around and got nothing of great importance done in between all their vacations and breaks from the job they were elected to do just because they are pissy about Obama being the president and trying to use executive orders to get around their do-nothing block-everything asses. I hope the GOP politicians see just what they’d be setting themselves up for if they picked him as their nominee, maybe spend a little time imagining just how it would go with Trump in office making a mess of international relations and domestic policy – he declares bankruptcy as a strategic move in his business dealings after all. Just because it’s technically legal doesn’t mean it’s a fantastic idea, and our creditors are not likely to be ok with ‘restructuring’ of the national debt after Trump does the rest of the things he plans to if elected.
Schwarzenegger managed to get elected as governor of California and left it worse than it was when he went in, and while an actor married to someone from a well-known and connected political family is different from a businessman like Trump who marries blonde and much younger with a tendency to trade in the older model for the new one…but they’re both idiots who should never get into politics with their ideology and utter lack of experience. Trump is probably worse because he won’t even look to people with more experience who can provide guidance as advisers, after all Trump thinks Trump knows everything and needs no help trampling over everyone! He’ll just tell them all “You’re fired!”
Oops! The word is fascist.
Also, in all honesty, I don’t find anime girl any more shocking than the average gal in comic books. They often seem kind of younger (but the art style make it impossible to distinguish 30 something from 15 something outside clothing anyhow), but, while it’s a subjective thing, I see the american comics as being much, much worse in term of clothing on their female heros than Japan.
I guess the japanese softcore anime/manga is either more numerous or a lot easier to get than american softcore porn equivalent. I could cite at least 10 animes whose only interest is being softcorn porn, can’t say the same for american comics or french/belgian one.
The representation of women is not perfect in comics in general, but that’s not limited to Japanese one, who tend to be only slightly worse than the rest of the world, and not the den of iniquity and perversion that some people would want to.
Friendly Neighborhood Dragon Aurthur
This is a rather generalized and confusing way of putting it. As far as anime styles go, teen to twenty something characters are rather homogenous (and yes, in the case of girls, they tend to err towards cutesy, not gonna deny that, but not every anime-style illustrator is aiming towards “perverse” content when they do that). Once the characters hit 30-40 something and beyond, the appearance of actual age bumps dramatically. A character’s appearance also changes depending on the demographic it’s aiming for and the content of the story involved.
As for the “most female characters are not really doing much except to be helpless”…that depends on what you mean by “helpless”, what you mean by “not doing anything” and what these shows revolve around. There’s a huge difference between something like, say, your typical Studio Ghibli film & the stereotypical “moe” anime you appear to be describing. Anime has a whole load of issues when it comes to representation of women, but not all anime (#NotAllAnime!) features helpless female characters and that makes the use of all of these anime girl avatars by these trolls even more silly…plenty of the characters that they have as their avatars aren’t exactly helpless in the source material they come from, nor give any indicator in the source material that they would approve of the troll’s behavior!
Off topic – While I’m something of an anime fan myself, there are some things which I personally find irritating and would like to see a lot less of:
– Gratuitous panty shots
– Lesbian rape presented as humorous
– Attempted (or actual) child molestation presented as humorous
– Harems (with the exception of the very rare mixed-gender harem, which I would like to see more of, because I’m weird that way)
– Women whose personality is “slut with big boobs”
– Violence against men presented as a “normal” reaction to a slip of the tongue or a freak accident on their part
There are other issues, but either they’re not nearly as irritating, or else I don’t encounter them all that often in the types of anime I watch.
Why anime? Because chan culture has always been devoted to anime, and these days a sizable number of anime series are made to cater to the sort of misogynists that populate both 2 Chan and 4 Chan.
These anime are either multi-media projects made to sell merchandise or are based on web novels, light novels, and visual novels written by otaku. In either case, all the female characters are stock character sex objects designed to appeal to the assorted fetishes of creepy nerds who are terrified of real women.
If there is a male main character, the girls all end up worshiping him while getting boob-groped and up-skirted. The main character puts absolutely no work into creating a relationship with any of them, but they still all somehow lust for his dick and end up serving him like a personal maid. (Or being a literal maid because that’s one of the fetishes of creepy nerds.)
Sometimes there is no male main character and it’s just a passel of stock characters having all-girl adventures. But their adventures are designed to titillate the presumed-male viewer who will choose his favorite girl and buy all her merchandise. Of course, none of the girls can ever do anything that would make the viewer’s boner sad and prevent him from seeing himself as his chosen girl’s love interest.
So misogynists being happy with misogynist-fodder and working it into memes celebrating another misogynist is hardly surprising. I find it way more puzzling that so many non-misogynists watch and defend that shit. (That shit being that particular type of anime.)
Snowberry : I do have a lot of love for a manga called Merry Nightmare partly because it avoid all of that, and because it have a badass heroin, a slightly less badass hero who still hold his own, and a cast of quirky character. Not sure where it’s available. In general, it’s hard to filter the good anime and manga, at least in France, due to the sheer amount that arrive on the shelves. And unlike french comics, the editor isn’t a sign of quality. The cover aren’t even a good sign either quite often.
Note that while I think Japan is the leading producer of softcore porn, belgian/french comic have a disturbing amount of that, who is on the rise apparently. The difference being that it don’t cater to quite the same fantasy, it’s generally speaking both more explicit and more sluttish.
To return to the topic of the day, I do find the victory of Sanders a good sign. I am not sure if any of the republican hopeful is better than Trump. Personaly, I would like Ben Carson to win the race, based on the idea he won’t be able to win the presidential election under any circumstance.
I’m quite happy with the NH results. Bernie took a clear majority, as expected. And I don’t mind at all that Trump did well (in relation to the other Republican candidates). I still don’t think he’ll get the nomination. And even if he does, he won’t accept it. And even if he does, he’ll lose the general election in a humiliating fashion. I’m very curious to see what will happen in the next month or so.
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Personal stuff: I just got home from my psych evalution. Turns out I’ve scored quite high on depression, quite high on autism, quite high on ADHD, and moderately high on Tourette’s syndrome. Yikes.
@Imaginary Petal
What’s really important is that you’re moving forward. You’ve made progress just by taking those tests.
Now that you have the results, you and your therapist can decide on a path to take.
@Lordcrowstaff
That float was meant to mock Trump. http://theweek.com/speedreads/604533/make-fascism-great-again-german-carnival-float-mocks-donald-trump
Hugs, Imaginary Petal.
After my diagnosis I found it comforting to reflect that it wasn’t new: I had been the same the day before and would be the day after. The fact that they had put a word to it didn’t mean that I was any different or that people would stop loving me. I don’t know if the thought helps you, but I hope so.
@Kat
Yup! I’m going to see a psychiatrist next, but the wait could be up to 3 months. So I’ll just have to wait and see.
@EJ
I told my cat and she just yawned and tried to bite my sock. You’re right, nothing’s changed. :p
What you’re seeing is a complex mixture of mimetic warfare, dressed up in farce and post-post–modern ironic nihilism and spectacle.
In essence, it’s what happens if you embrace Political Gaming to the degree that the Kochs brothers have (I’d suggest looking into who is running Trump’s campaign as manager) and decided that illusion trumps reality and that you’d like the entire system broken rather than actually fix and improve the world. (c.f. Walmart etc).
Good news?
It’s hardly new, nor is it in anyway original:
I saw the threatening of the shining Sun
Among the stars, and in the lightning flash
The dire wrath of the Moon; the stars travailed
With battle; and God gave them up to light.
For long fire-flames rebelled against the Sun;
Lucifer treading upon Leo’s back
Began the fight; and the Moon’s double horn
Changed its shape; Capricorn smote Taurus’ neck;
And Taurus took away from Capricorn
Returning day. Orion would no more
Abide his yoke; the lot of Gemini
Did Virgo change in Aries; no more shone
The Pleiads; Draco disavowed his zone;
Down into Leo’s girdle Pisces went.
Cancer remained not, for he feared Orion;
Scorpio down on dire Leo backwards moved;
And from the Sun’s flame Sirius slipped away;
And the strength of the mighty Shining One
Aquarius kindled. Uranus himself
Was roused, until he shook the warring ones;
And being incensed he hurled them down on earth.
Then swiftly smitten down upon the baths
Of Ocean they set all the earth on fire;
And the high heaven remained without a star.
http://www.religiousdirt.com/2014/12/her/
And yes: refer anyone to that text if you find idiots spouting Biblical Endtimes nonsense (looking at Ted Cruz) or “ironic” racism such as 4/8chan – the author was likely Jewish, and it’s revenge porn against the Romans. (Note: none of it came true, although it did allegedly inspire an ill fated minor rebellion that was crushed with ease).
You know, if you like your conspiracy theories really Dank.
The sad thing?
None of them are educated or skilled enough to actually do that kind of thing, they’re stuck with Le Pepe and ironic re-possession of memes. And don’t you think if they had any talent they wouldn’t have jumped on the original “The Jewish Conspiracy Theory“? (Back when the country / author were actually in the position that the Alt-Right imagines it is. Come back to me when those FEMA camps actually go into operation or the “Romans” have just slaughtered about 350,000 people. No, Operation Jade Helm doesn’t count).
You can also blame the Koch family for a lot of the paranoid conspiracy stuff as well, via the John Birch Society – and, again, they don’t even know their basic stuff like the Sibylline.
So, really, it’s a nice little bundle of joy: all based (like the Tea Party) in the Koch’s boring parochial fears.
Personally, I’d suggest trying them for Treason.
@saphira: I know, that’s why I posted it. I probably should have explained it some more 🙂