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Scenes from yesterday’s anti-Roosh, anti-rape rallies. With bonus Jemaine Clement

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So yesterday was the big day, the day on which the famously repugnant pickup artist Roosh “No Means Yes” Valizadeh originally planned to hold 165 meetups for his fans around the world, only to cancel them after a bit of a public outcry — you may have heard something about that.

While some of Roosh’s fanboys ended up meeting in secret, the only Roosh-related events that took place in public yesterday (besides a sparsely attended press conference called by Roosh himself) were rallies against Roosh and all of the noxious things he stands for.

Here’s a roundup of pics and videos from a number of these anti-rape-culture rallies.

In Glasgow:

https://twitter.com/jonbradyphoto/status/696077539312320512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/jonbradyphoto/status/696080040178671616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

And a longer video:

More details here and here; the second piece also mentions a protest in Edinburgh.

In Wellington, New Zealand:

https://twitter.com/NathanRoss10/status/695879919880896512

https://twitter.com/PINKYFANG/status/696101569641582593

https://twitter.com/chrissybrown/status/695863971220357120

https://twitter.com/PINKYFANG/status/696048054512652288

Wait, you’re saying to yourself, surely that can’t be the real Jemaine Clement of Flight of the Conchords?

It is. He spent much of yesterday mocking the Roosh fanboys who showed up in his mentions.

Here’s a writeup on the protests there.

In Vancouver:

https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/696185668679012352

https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/696200789275119616

Lynch tells me that after she tweeted these pics she had “Roosh’s followers calling me at 1am and playing horror movies on my voicemail.” Because of course.

In Munich:

In Windsor, Ontario:

In Albuquerque:

More on that protest here.

There were also protests in Berlin; in Shrewsbury; in Newcastle (where a small contingent of the far-right English Defence League tried to hijack the protest); in New York City (though the only info I’ve found about it so far is from the blog of a Roosh fan) and presumably many other places as well.

If you have info or pictures or video of any of the other protests, please let me know by posting in the comments below, and I can add it to the post.

Here, by the way, is what things looked like at Roosh’s press conference yesterday.

I guess I’ll have to watch the video of the press conference and see just how thoroughly Roosh “destroys” the media, huh? He’s certainly done a fine job of destroying his own reputation as a human being.

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DS
DS
4 years ago

Woah! In the pic from New Zealand of the lass in the black dress holding a sign about Aragorn: is that RooshV himself photo bombing behind her? Nah, how could he have gotten that far from mom’s basement? Couldn’t be.

occasional reader
occasional reader
4 years ago

Hello.

Well, as his texts are shit, it is more “sapousse” than “satire”, arh arh arh (french joke, sorry).

Have a nice end of day.

Gert
Gert
4 years ago

Well, as his texts are shit, it is more “sapousse” than “satire”, arh arh arh

More gonzo than guts, I’d say.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

I don’t have any problem with other people eating meat. I have some issues about cruelty in farming but I don’t think there’s anything inherently evil in the practice. But for me personally I’ve been swayed by a number of factors. The undeniable health benefits. The fact that in the West it’s unnecessary to eat meat and that generally our meat eating has knock on effects that really fuck things up for people in the rest of the world (that’s part of our general tendency for over consumption and bugger the consequences to anyone else attitude generally of course)

This one has always been a tough one for me, and has gotten a lot tougher in recent years. I live with meat-eaters and don’t always prepare meals, so I don’t do the vegetarian thing, but I can’t in good conscience approve of meat eating anymore. An international gathering of neurologists and related specialists assembled in Cambridge to talk about consciousness and the like. Their conclusion was:

… Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Nonhuman animals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses, also possess these neurological substrates.

The takeaway from the published statement seems to be that we need to apply the same ethical treatment to animals as we would humans. It’s a fascinating general topic, and the statement is worth reading.

With that in mind, I have a hard time justifying eating any meat beyond fish, and even then I’m a bit iffy. I still do, again, because that’s the situation I’m in, and I won’t condemn anyone for doing it either. It’s a prickly question with deep roots in philosophy and ethics as well as in neuroscience.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

That was a really interesting read. Of course there’s the old “The question is ‘not can they think’ but ‘can they suffer?'” thing anyway. But people who say animals don’t have feelings and emotions, which they can express, have obviously never met one.

There are some really interesting ethical issues around this. If it was just a matter of intelligence or consciousness then theoretically there’d be nothing wrong with eating people in persistent vegetative states. I’ve just been chatting about the ‘compassion’ aspect of all this with my SO (the lass who finally persuaded me). I can’t claim the compassion excuse as we’ve agreed certain exclusions (when it would be rude to refuse food other people have made; if I’ve been driving overnight and there’s just one sausage roll left at the garage and eating any canned hunters she’s killed). I suppose there’s a ‘reduction in cruelty’ thing though. But the other reasons are pretty valid on their own. I often used to go veggie for a month or so when I wanted to get to peak ‘fighting fitness’ and I’m definitely a lot better physically when I do. So this is just an extension of that.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

A big takeaway of the statement is that we have no reason to believe that they have different qualia than we do; that includes suffering to my limited knowledge. As I understand the philosophy of it, qualia are really what makes experiences worthwhile, and even though we don’t know very much at all about them, we know that brains experience them, and there’s such a deep similarity in brains between us and other animals…

Like I said, prickly problem. The problem with ethics is that there are no absolute answers, and no guide book to see if you picked the right one or not. That’s also what makes it such a fascinating and important topic, though! No doubt a parallel one to your profession, too (ideally).

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

Oh, the whole ethics and law thing has been the subject of millions of words since we first learned to talk. One thing non lawyers sometimes wonder is why we can’t just have a simple ethical code, but ethics is just one factor. There are other equally valid concerns of the law (certainly, understandability, utility etc.). I’m a big believer that sometimes the most ethical thing you might have to do in a particular circumstance is break the law. But of course other people can argue that in relation to their own code of ethics. It all gets very subjective.

Ironically animal rights is one area where that does become an issue for me, but I can’t really go further without breaking the comments policy and possible getting myself into bother.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

@Alan,

Ethics and law have such interesting intersections. You’re very right about law needing more than just ethics. My best understanding of it is that its greatest virtue is consistency, not morality. It can’t be just if doesn’t inform you what behaviours will get you into trouble, so it has to be consistent and available equally to everyone. Complex! And, yes, sometimes breaking the law is required for some moral actions – laws need to be broad and apply equally to all (relatively equivalent) situations; ethics is specific to circumstances. They can’t possibly always match.

I understand – animal rights are also pretty prickly. I’ve sort of given up on talking about vegetarianism to most people. I tend to just get shouted at about how awesome meat is and how stupid I am, so there really doesn’t seem to be much profit in talking about it. A shame, really.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

There’s a concept of “down by law”. The theory is that if you’re going to impose criminal sanctions then the law should be accessible, understandable and consistent, so people can know exactly what is and isn’t permissible. That can obviously conflict with the ‘moral’ choices of course because not every situation was foreseeable. In England we get round that to a certain extent in civil law by having two separate but parallel legal systems: the common law and equity. One goes for certainty, the other for flexibility. You get some interesting clashes between the two; especially now that there’s no longer separate courts.

Oh, and the animal rights thing! If you think I put my foot in it here from time to time you should see what happens with my animal minded friends. We’re somewhere on the spectrum between ‘Greenpeace are middle class posers’ and ‘ALF go for the wrong targets’ but even internally there’s a lot of debate.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
4 years ago

I hate to bring us back to Roosh, but I couldn’t see if anyone’s posted this article yet (from the Washington Post, but I’m too lazy to do the extra clicking to find it on its original site): http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/02/09/notorious-blogger-pick-up-artist-provocateur-roosh-attracts-reluctant-reporters.html

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

@Alan,

That’s what I love about progressive groups and sort of sets them apart, in my opinion. They aren’t afraid of internal conflict – they see it as vital. No lockstep with the crowd, no loyalty to leaders or abstract concepts. It leads to a lot of chaos and a lot of problems, but it’s also the only way real, effective *change* comes about. It is a good thing!

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
4 years ago

If it was just a matter of intelligence or consciousness then theoretically there’d be nothing wrong with eating people in persistent vegetative states

Well, actually, there’d still be a problem. Prions.

Don’t eat people: but if you do, avoid nervous tissue like the plague.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ contrapangloss

Oh yeah, don’t want that Kuru disease or whatever it’s called. I think what you’re saying is just stick to eating the hearts of your enemies (so you gain their strength)?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

I think progressive groups can sometimes have a bit of a fetish about ‘orthodoxy’ within groups; but there’s more willingness to set up new groups to accommodate dissent. Sea Shepherds evolving out of Greenpeace for example. That can lead to the “Judean’s People Front” cliche, but where the groups remember who the real enemy is rather than waste all their energies on civil war then that’s a great thing. It’s interesting to watch the Aurini > Roosh > Milo disintegration for example. Just waiting for that Elam bloke to chip in.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

@ occasional reader

That one took me a second. I then immediately looked for the french translation of “Kalauer” – calembour. Great one, though 😉

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

@Alan,

Orthodoxy is a thing, yes, and it’s sort of an issue. I wonder if there’s a certain amount of unthinking loyalty to an “ideal” instead of a leader or group. Given that ideals are packaged with a lot of unstated assumptions, it ends up being very divisive! We’ve all experienced that, no doubt about it. Perhaps that’s why progressives are usually seen as being less effective than conservative/reactionary groups. Quicker to focus inwards on internal differences of opinion instead of attacking The Other.

I do have to wonder how this behaviour can be shaped into something more productive. My go-to answer is “rationality training”, but since it’s my favourite toy to play with it’s probably not the right answer. Hm.

Do you see the fractures in the manosphere as being the same as fractures between progressive activist groups? Interesting; I always saw them as being rather different.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

I think there’s definitely a ‘black ball’ approach to issues within progressive groups. It’s that ideological purity thing. The obsession with Shibboleths is one of the main problems in progressive movements. Non progressive groups seem to find it much easier to form alliances based on what they have in common and put the differences on the back burner. But it’s all part of the fun.

I don’t see the MRA fallout as analogous with this though. It follows a pattern I’ve seen before of querulous paranoiacs turning on each other. It’s less about ideology and more about personalities. They’re founded on hate of ‘the other’ and they find it easy to other each other. It’s usually because they have that conspiracy mindset, so they’re inherently distrustful and suspicious. They also assume that their own little bugbears are issues of general concern and cannot understand why everyone doesn’t feel the same. Maybe it’s related to their narcissism. The groups they most resemble, to me, are the vexatious litigants. They too have a habit of grandiose behaviour (lots of copying in of the prime minister and the queen in their correspondence) but it becomes very nasty if the other members of the group don’t treat their particular grievance as the most important thing ever. It doesn’t surprise me that the MRA fallout puts so much emphasis on perceived attention and popularity.

Bina
4 years ago

Ugh! From the article Rabbit posted:

The press conference was arranged like an undergraduate seminar, with eight reporters sitting around a table and Valizadeh standing at its head. He chose the Dupont Circle-area hotel, he said, because he used to take women there when he wanted to sleep with them.

Returning to the scene of his crimes. Skeezy much?

On the other hand, wow, 8 reporters. Much press, so conference, wow.

Before the press conference started, Valizadeh asked each reporter which outlet they represented and singled a few out for criticism, including Vice, which he said had started printing “garbage” since its acquisition, and the Daily Beast, whom he accused of being a “CIA front.”

Bwahahahahaha. As though the CIA gives a shit about him. They’re too busy overthrowing legitimately elected foreign leaders who aren’t tame to US interests, Roosh, ya moron!

He also delayed the start of the conference for several minutes while a group of five to six men in the back mic’d him — but not the assembled reporters — and set up cameras. (This had the effect of muting the reporters on the resulting video footage.) These men, whom reporters were told not to photograph, purportedly consisted of some mix of bodyguards and fans; they sniggered loudly at Valizadeh’s laugh lines and oversaw a video feed that streamed the “conference” live to viewers on Twitter, Periscope and YouTube.

Fanboy bodyguards to provide a laugh track? Let it not be said that he’s not a sad, sad clown.

Even a sentient rock would know what Valizadeh intended with a glance into the small conference room: the dozen or so reporters who showed up were synecdochically representing The Media with a capital T and M, and Valizadeh intended to “win” in a verbal battle against them.

Which, of course, he did not. Because he’s a born loser, and his image as a basement dwelling troglodyte is already set in cement.

Valizadeh did work the room, as only a man who has spent the greater part of his adult life reading pick-up manuals could. His prepared statement, which was outlined on two pages of creased loose leaf, consisted largely of the sort of disjointed paranoia that’s boilerplate in comments sections these days. But the delivery was theatrical, practiced, clearly intended for dissemination across his base. At one point, Valizadeh grandly announced that he was “the most hated man in the world” before taking a considered and suspenseful swig from a nearby water bottle.

Heh…thirsty much? (Pun fully intended.)

“You have to understand that your work, and the work of your colleagues, has incited a mob based on lies that has put my family in danger,” he said at one point, although it’s unclear if any of the assembled reporters had written any of the articles that he objected to. “If they get hurt right now, God forbid, it’s because of you.”

Melodrama llama…first he calls a presser to throw them a canned circus (snurk), and then accuses them of endangering him? Fuck off, Roosh.

He did not, however, acknowledge the fact that he and his followers have long engaged in similar online harassment campaigns against female journalists, such as the one they’ve waged against one of the Washington Post reporters in attendance and The Guardian’s Lindy West. Those campaigns were one of several reasons observers and activists raised concerns when Valizadeh announced his followers were meeting in the flesh.

Oh, but of COURSE not. Poor widdle Rooshie is INNOCENT! No real harm in what he’s doing at ALL!

(she said, dripping snark all over the floor)

“When a real rape happens that goes against the agenda of your boss, you actually hide it,” he said later, referring to the gang rapes in Cologne, Germany (which The Post has covered at length). “But then when no rapes happen and I try to do a meet-up you lose your s—.”

And of course, the irony of what he’s doing there totally eludes him. Why is what he does any less rapey than what the accused of Köln did? Because it sure as hell is NOT.

Asked, for instance, how he reconciled the cancellation of his meet-ups over safety concerns with the strain of radical aggression and masculinity that he promotes, Valizadeh asked Washingtonian’s Ben Freed “do you lift?” — an implied criticism he repeated on Twitter afterwards.

So macho, much neomasculinity, wow. Scared for his life, he claims to be. Does he lift?

Aaaaaand there goes my irony meter again. Roosh, you owe me damages.

When asked about passages in his books that describe date rape, Valizadeh first said that the passages were dramatized, then that they weren’t fiction, then that everyone had got it wrong: They were being taken “out of context.”

Oh, they were, were they? Except that the whole “context” is all about creating a perfect set-up for legalized rape that, despite it being illegal, he’s so far gotten away with anyway, so that excuse doesn’t wash.

Meanwhile, in response to a question about why readers might think Valizadeh supported or promoted rape, the blogger shot back that it was all an elaborate smear invented by the media’s corporate ownership.

Yuh-huh. Like the corporate honchos even know who he is, much less give a shit.

No, Roosh — it’s because feminists made a noise and the media heard it and came running to see what was up, you unwashed unwiped ass. Turns out that since there are more of us than there are of you and yours, our voices simply carry better than yours! Ha, ha.

After the conference ended, the Post reporters in attendance had a good laugh over the notion that Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos knows we, let alone Return of Kings, exist. Equally humorous was the presence of a writer from Martha Stewart, who earned condescending guffaws from Valizadeh’s cronies every time she was mentioned — everyone apparently unaware that the woman was in town visiting another reporter and wasn’t remotely interested in covering the event.

Delusions of adequacy: He has them.

Valizadeh believed he was schooling “the media” and exposing a powerful global conspiracy; in point of fact, he was holding court over a pack of online writers and freelancers, at least two of whom were eager to escape before he ruined what remained of their evening. It makes sense that these two competing narratives could coexist in one room: Valizadeh’s delusions, of grandeur and other things, are well documented by Valizadeh himself. The aching question for us was whether we had legitimized or even amplified those delusions by choosing to write about them.

Well, when in doubt, ridicule the fuck out of him. It’s not like he isn’t handing you the material!

But no, they piously weasel out because he’s not a big enough fish. Boooooring. What was the point of that whole piece then, anyway? It’s not even like the media know how to shame the REALLY big bastards. Looks like if anyone’s gonna do the job, it will be the bloggers…again.

Pony's Labia
Pony's Labia
4 years ago

When I went to Jermaine’s twitter feed I found my new user name, “Pony’s Labia”

occasional reader
occasional reader
4 years ago

> Bernardo Soares
Thank you. Well, it is just a child-level two-tiers pun, hence the “arh arh”.

Anyway, it seems that the Man thinks of himself as a bit of Howard Beale (from Network)… And after, he is going to rant about the so-called “attention whores”, eh…

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Roosh is getting everywhere is seems. Now also in Cracked. Haven’t read the article so indulge at your own risk.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/what-were-all-getting-wrong-about-pickup-artists/