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Check out my piece on Roosh in the International Business Times

Roosh V
Roosh V

I was asked to do a piece on Roosh V for the International Business Times, and so I did, arguing that his now infamous post on legalizing rape is not actually the worst or most dangerous thing about him.

Roosh, like many other gurus of so-called “pick-up artistry”, likes to pretend he’s discovered some secret codes that – like the cheat codes that make video games easier to play – allow men to charm and/or manipulate almost any woman into having sex with them.

In reality, of course, there are no cheat codes; women aren’t video games. But there is another, more old-fashioned technique that men have used since time immemorial when they want to have sex with women who aren’t interested in having sex with them. This technique is known as rape.

While Roosh indignantly insists he is no “rape advocate”, in his books and blog posts, he encourages his followers to treat a woman saying “No” as little more than a temporary obstacle to sex.

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Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

I suppose I could actually quote the thing

I think the problem here is mostly that people still believe “misogyny” is a bad thing. Is it? In light of feminism, we as a society should really start to question our long held beliefs. Clearly the guy didn’t advocate an actual legalization of rape in that think piece, and it is true rape is too easily defined in western countries.

The belief that sexism is hateful is basically the problem here. For the most part Roosh and his sites just offers a blunt, and critical view of women. Whether or not they’re right, hate isn’t the intention, nor is it even important.

Check out how calm and reasonable he’s pretending to be! Nothing hateful there. /s

Falconer
Falconer
5 years ago

Thanks for that quote, Viscaria. The sawbones tell me my blood pressure needs to be higher, and they were wondering how best to treat it.

Bina
5 years ago

“Rape is too easily defined”? Tell that to the women who’ve been violated, asswipe.

Actually, in Germany and in Canada, it’s too hard still for victims to bring charges to bear. And I’ll bet it’s not so different in the US and Britain either.

But let it never be said that these “reasonable” trolls don’t, by their very existence (not to mention their blithe idiocy), show us why more feminism, not a backlash, is what’s really needed.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

That’s not hate, David. That’s a criticism!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Bina

There’s a report here that, inter alia, looks at rape prosecutions in the UK. Executive summary: doesn’t seem any easier than the other places you mentioned (which tallies with the stuff I was talking about with that guy on the other thread about a week ago)

https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/cps_vawg_report_2014.pdf

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Lives in mom’s basement? Of course he does.

She is a better woman than me. He’d never darken my door again, family or not.

Then again, she is helping him promote rape by supporting him so…maybe not.

dlouwe
dlouwe
5 years ago

I don’t hate Roosh, I just think he’s a worthless turd that makes the world a worse place with his existence and could go leap into a volcano for all I care.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Wow, that Daily Mail article is, I have to admit, pretty spot on. It wouldn’t be out of place here.

I also like that the UK Government has called for Roosh the be ‘ridiculed’.

ETA: obviously there’s nothing wrong with living in your mum’s basement, but it’s such a cliche! If Roosh was a work of fiction we’d call his lifestyle lazy writing.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

I have similar issues every time I try to carry a long stick with my teeth through a door.

I inevitably find myself saying “Just tilt your head sideways! You do that all the time when you don’t have a stick!”

You could try that.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
5 years ago

Wait, I thought Roosh was living in Eastern Europe because he wanted to get away from American women.

Chiomara
Chiomara
5 years ago

Victorious Parasol
February 4, 2016 at 3:37 pm
Great article, David!

I once had a cat who tried to open doorknobs. He was sure that if he could jump up to doorknob level and get sufficient hang time, he’d eventually turn the knob … and then he’d never be thwarted by a door again!

My cat opens doors using this exact technique! He hangs on the knob and then drops on the floor and finishes opening the door by throwing his butt in it.

If I take too long to clean his box, he grabs the shovel and sticks inside of it. Once he somehow removed his poop from the litter, opened the litter bag, let the litter fall on the floor and peed on it.
Once we also catched him peeing on the toilet! He is very smart and very very clean ^^

katz
5 years ago

Brains are made of silly putty.

That explains why mine is covered in backwards comic panels.

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 years ago

Many of our doors, which had all been installed in the 70s, used to be slightly out of alignment with the jams. We fixed them all a couple of years ago, but before that the cats liked to employ a delicate door opening procedure I like to call “hit it really hard with paws or forehead until it moves.” Graceful poetry in action.

@Falconer, anything for you, my friend.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 years ago

@Chiomara

That sounds so much like what Engineer Kitty (one of his many nicknames) was trying to do. I’m convinced that if cancer hadn’t gotten him back in 2013, he’d’ve been able to perfect his door-opening technique.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

My dog’s pretty weird with doors. She won’t go through one unless it’s fully open. And I don’t just mean if she has to squeeze, I even have to open farm gates all the way or she just sits there. She also has a thing about sometimes just changing her mind. She did that once on the Underground so I was left in the carriage, her on the platform and the lead stick in the door. Luckily some nice passengers yanked the doors open before it got messy.

[Fun fact: if you damage the door lock on a Tube train, the brakes automatically lock on]

Rosie*sings*
Rosie*sings*
5 years ago

My cat is too stupid to open doors – but he’ll close ones that are left a few inches ajar and then cry about being trapped in the room.
My cat is still smarter than some of the manospherians.

Chiomara
Chiomara
5 years ago

Engineer kitty, awwwww, what an adorable nickname. One of the most common nicknames of mine is anaconda kitty, because when he wants treats (we can’t give much cause he has Urinary problems) he circles our feet and bite us. Asshole.

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Hope I successfully embedded the image.

Edit: I didn’t. Cute meme, though.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ chiomara

Aww.

“Thank you got adopting me Dr Shroedinger”

[My version of that experiment replaces the poison with one of those automatic cat feeders. So then the cat is both hungry and not hungry.]

Bina
5 years ago

I also like that the UK Government has called for Roosh the be ‘ridiculed’.

Ridicule is good, yes. If they call for fat-shaming, slut-shaming, and other kinds of woman-shaming, we can call for PUA ridiculing.

Sometimes, turnabout really is fair play.

newbie
newbie
5 years ago

Of course there is no hatred there. Just your regular calm degradation and dehumanization of the penile receptacles commonly known as women. Confusing it with hatred is unwarranted, given how little regard the receptacles merit.

P.S. I’m not entirely sarcastic.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
5 years ago

@Alan: The dog figuring out how to get his stick through the rails is just the antidote I needed to all this ugly Doosh stuff. Thanks. Dogs do rule.

@Falconer: I’m really glad your cat is doing better.

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

Great job! I’m happy you’re getting to spread the word!

[My version of that experiment replaces the poison with one of those automatic cat feeders. So then the cat is both hungry and not hungry.]

Don’t be silly, cats are always hungry!

newbie
newbie
5 years ago

JoeB, thanks for the DM piece. Leave it to DM sleuths to do no-holds-barred investigative reporting, tabloid style.

Now that his neighborhood knows who he is, I wonder if and how Roosh’s life will be affected. I would love to know what his mother thinks of all this. I assume she must know what her son does.

He says he added a ‘satire’ disclaimer to his ‘legalize rape’ piece. Just yesterday. We understand. A man as busy as Roosh may be forgiven such an insignificant initial omission in what was obviously a humor piece. Obviously.

But what about the rest of his, er, productions? Satire all, right? It’s just that our, human, collective sense of humor is not finely tuned enough, I’m sure.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Roosh is even a loser when it comes to excuses.

This is how you commit a crime then say it was satire. Tried to blow up a parliament. Judge wouldn’t accept this was a great piece of performance art. Philistine.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/nov/15/northern-ireland-politics-michael-stone

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ lux

Don’t be silly, cats are always hungry!

You know, that observation will probably lead to the breakthrough that finally sorts the quantum/relativity reconciliation.

newbie
newbie
5 years ago

Alan, so many people are deficient in their satire-recognition skills. Stone’s impressive collection of ‘artistic props’ itself was clearly ironic. And artistic like hell.

newbie
newbie
5 years ago

Y’all, check out Roosh’s twitter feed where he is glorying in the media exposure (with other d/bags of the feather expressing jealousy over his ‘fame’); complains, ungrammatically and nonsensically, about being doxed by Anonymous (how could they dox him if anyone can easily look him up?); and retweets a message from RoK saying that ‘they’ (Roosh’s supporters?) plan to run a… Super Bowl ad this Sunday (about what? and how would they pay for it?).

newbie
newbie
5 years ago

Oy. Gotta see Anonymous going after Roosh:
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral

I’ma grab popcorn.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ newbie

how could they dox him

I thought I’d been doxxed once when somebody published my name, address and phone number; but apparently that’s how telephone directories work.

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
5 years ago

I just noticed that the Sydney Morning Herald included a screenshot of your blog a while back, too.

Apparently, they’ve identified the man behind /r/PhilosophyOfRape and it was Joshua Ryne Goldberg. The same guy who is now facing a prison sentence for attempting to incite terrorist attacks (posing as an ISIS supporter). He also has a history of posing as white supremacists, although he is Jewish, and apparently contributed to Breitbart and The Daily Stormer under fake personas.

newbie
newbie
5 years ago

Alan, yeah, that doxing thing can be as confusing as satire.

Hu’s On First: I looked up Goldberg. Oh, wow. Another pimply-faced overgrown adolescent launching a world revolt from his parents’ basement.

The Manly Men of Red Pill are ever so manly.

Bina
5 years ago

Oy. Gotta see Anonymous going after Roosh:
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral

I’ma grab popcorn.

http://kathyscottlicensing.com/images/slides/f-IMG_6084.jpg

Also, Pöpcørn.

newbie
newbie
5 years ago

Bina, that’s some great popcorn.

calexico
calexico
5 years ago

Oy. Gotta see Anonymous going after Roosh:
https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral

I’ma grab popcorn.

I schadenfreuded.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
5 years ago

Given the topic of the post, I find the optimism that serial rapists are exceedingly rare a little disconcerting. Is that just me?

In fact it’s bloody infuriating.

I’ve done the numbers by combining the two groups of subjects of the research papers cited in that Meet the Predators piece. When you add up the number of research subjects, the numbers of men admitting to various offences, and the total number of offences committed, the result is pretty mind-blowing.

Total number of men in the 2 studies – 3028.
Total number of offences admitted – 1348.
Which looks as though nearly half of them, 43%, admitted completed or attempted rape if – and only if – you believe that all offences were isolated events.

In fact, 6% of the men (172/3028) admitted to 93% (1256/1348) of the total offences.
A further 3% of men admitted to the remaining 7% of the offences (92/1348).

If you think about that for a moment, you’ll see why it’s so infuriating. (It’s also pretty distressing that 9% of these men admitted to at least one incident.)

Far from police being cynical-suspicious-doubting when a woman reports a sexual assault or a rape, these numbers suggest that police should think very, very differently. If this complainant is right, it’s much more likely than not, odds of 9 out of 10, that the bloke concerned has a history of such offences – and this particular woman very likely has no knowledge of that.

Bina
5 years ago

Heeheehee…the Anons have found David’s post on Roosh’s hygiene habits (or lack thereof) and are now postulating he hates his mom for making him wipe his ass. Too much fun!

dust bunny
dust bunny
5 years ago

@ Luxbelitz

Catnip then? The cat is both high and not high.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
5 years ago

was this posted? it’s hulorius

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

OMG BINA

I used to dance to that popcorn song in elementary school PE class! Like we had a synchronized dance for it my third grade teacher taught us (because at my school back in the day, the homeroom teachers were responsible for teaching PE as well as every other class).

occasional reader
occasional reader
5 years ago

Hello.

I do not know the Daily Mail and how reliable it is as a newspaper, but if he really had received death threats, is it not problematic ? Is it not escalating too much ? Not only i think it is illegal, but this kind of threat does not help to criticize this bad man and, on the contrary, may contribute to helping him to pose as a victim. Take him down by the word, not by the sword ?

Have a nice day.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@occasional reader
I haven’t read the Daily Mail article yet–but I’m certainly looking forward to it.

But without reading the article, I can say that nobody on Mammoth has ever advocated killing him. We may have hoped out loud that he’d trip on Legos. And personally, I hope that all of his socks–even the new ones–get holes right away, which can be darned uncomfortable.

But death? Nah, that’s not how we roll. In fact, it’s disallowed.

Also, does Roosh say that he’s received death threats? Or does someone with some credibility say that? Just wondering.

dhag85
dhag85
5 years ago

Can we somehow make it so that Roosh is never allowed near cats or dogs or sloths?

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

David, thank you for that terrific article!

Patrick Hamblin responded to David’s article. I’ve added my own notes in bold.

I think the problem here is mostly that people still believe “misogyny” is a bad thing.

Why the quote marks? Do you believe that it doesn’t exist? Please clarify.

Is it?

Woman hating? Yes, I’m going to not go out on a limb and say that it’s a bad thing.

In light of feminism, we as a society should really start to question our long held beliefs.

What is it about feminism that should make us question our long-held beliefs? And how long is “long held”–are you referring to the past 1,000 years? Or the past 100 years? Or the past 45 years or so, when the second wave of feminism (the first wave was the movement to gain the vote) took off? Please clarify.

Clearly the guy didn’t advocate an actual legalization of rape in that think piece, and it is true rape is too easily defined in western countries.

“Clearly didn’t”? Says you. He clearly did advocate an actual legalization of rape. Go back and reread it. And it’s not a “think piece”–it’s a hit piece, with women as its target.

What evidence do you have that rape is “too easily defined in Western countries”? Please specify.

The belief that sexism is hateful is basically the problem here.

What part about believing that hating women and denying them opportunities that are equal with men’s isn’t hateful? In what way is it not the problem?

For the most part Roosh and his sites just offers a blunt, and critical view of women.

“For the most part?” What is the other part? Please specify.

“A blunt and critical view of women”? We women can handle blunt criticism. What we object to are threats of rape.

Whether or not they’re right, hate isn’t the intention, nor is it even important.

So now you’re not sure that Roosh’s views are right? In what ways? Please specify.

“Hate” isn’t the intention? Rape–and threats of rape–are acts of violence and hatred.

“Hate” isn’t important? Hatred is most definitely important to the person being hated, especially when it’s accompanied by threats of violence or violence.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

comment image

http://i.imgur.com/9XmIzky.gif

Apparently, they’ve identified the man behind /r/PhilosophyOfRape and it was Joshua Ryne Goldberg.

On which note, how come there was never a post about that? That was huge.

dhag85
dhag85
5 years ago

I don’t like that Roosh is getting threats, and I would never threaten him myself. I’d discourage others from threatening him, as well. I also don’t like to victim blame. Having said all that, I just can’t help thinking that if you admit to raping several women, wanting to rape many more, encouraging others to rape, wanting to make rape legal, hating all women and all people who are not sufficiently white – at some point you have to admit you’ve been trying to make people angry.

Sorry if that is enough to break the comments policy, in which case this comment can be deleted. I don’t like that he’s getting death threats, but knowing that he’s been threatened I’m now going to have a big cup of coffee and go play a video game. Because I genuinely don’t give a single fuck.

dhag85
dhag85
5 years ago

@SFHC

Are you sure there wasn’t a post about that? I remember hearing about this before.

dhag85
dhag85
5 years ago

What manospherians need to do in order to get death threats: threaten half the world’s population with rape.

What feminists need to do in order to get death threats: exist.