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Check out my piece on Roosh in the International Business Times

Roosh V
Roosh V

I was asked to do a piece on Roosh V for the International Business Times, and so I did, arguing that his now infamous post on legalizing rape is not actually the worst or most dangerous thing about him.

Roosh, like many other gurus of so-called “pick-up artistry”, likes to pretend he’s discovered some secret codes that – like the cheat codes that make video games easier to play – allow men to charm and/or manipulate almost any woman into having sex with them.

In reality, of course, there are no cheat codes; women aren’t video games. But there is another, more old-fashioned technique that men have used since time immemorial when they want to have sex with women who aren’t interested in having sex with them. This technique is known as rape.

While Roosh indignantly insists he is no “rape advocate”, in his books and blog posts, he encourages his followers to treat a woman saying “No” as little more than a temporary obstacle to sex.

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Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

Great article, David! I’m really happy to see that you’ve become sort of a front-runner in journalism that documents this horrible nonsense. You set an excellent tone for how it should be approached – with humour and determination. Thank you 🙂

Off Topic:

Two things. First, an excellent article about Jian Ghomeshi

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scaachikoul/did-the-jian-ghomeshi-allegations-teach-us-anything?bftwcanada&utm_term=.jyyWLyxog#.pclO6lDkb

And linked within that article was some angering news: The guy from Ontario Hydro One that was fired for yelling “FHRITP” (not going to spell it out) at a reporter … was re-hired. They haven’t said if he’s going to get the same job again or not, but if so, he makes over $100,000/year. So, that’s fun.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/fhritp-hydro-one-employee-rehired#.sk3paEqOP

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

Great job, David. Over the years you’ve really perfected the use of the word “alleged”, and I’m happy to see it made an appearance in this article too. :p

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

David, that’s brilliant!

You know, when Dawkins was doing his thing, I was tempted to ask you to put together a short summary of the actions of the MRA lot together with the sources for your comments to send to him (he claims to be evidence driven). This is pretty much the sort of thing that I had in mind.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Taking Roosh’s advice could easily mold younger guys with developing sexuality into serial rapists with a full deviant arousal pattern. Serial rapists now are about 4% of the male population (plus probably significantly less of the female population). Those guys weren’t born serial rapists and there’s no reason that number couldn’t increase to 20% or 30%.

reymohammed
4 years ago

My! Isn’t he special! Where are those female boxers?

newbie
newbie
4 years ago

Fantastic, David. You are THE person to do it, and I am so glad they asked you, rather than someone less well versed in this ugly topic.

Now prepare for the onslaught of redpilians at the gate — or in the comment section, to be accurate.

Dr Hoveiny
Dr Hoveiny
4 years ago

The video game cheat code part is such an apt metaphor. Great job, and good on them for asking you!

Mike
Mike
4 years ago

@History Nerd – “Serial rapists now are about 4% of the male population (plus probably significantly less of the female population).” – Where does that number come from? It does sound pretty high to me, I must admit.

bluecat
bluecat
4 years ago

Excellent article, David.

I’ve been linking this blog – especially the article on “everything you need to know about Roosh” on social media where friends have been posting about his planned “visit” (to about 7 separate locations in the UK alone!).

I hope some come over here and enjoy the bonbons, scented candles and fiendish plotting on behalf of our furry feline overlords that all true mammotheers revel in.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

Ya know…if there were any kind of fence/wall/extra tall barrier to entry of a physical place or merely a conceptual one that applied to a bit of that online turf…one could really support the creation of…

But then there wouldn’t be the occasional troll-doing-their-troll-ritual-and-ceremonial-dance-for-entertainment but an endless horde of really boring and repetitive ones that David will simply ban when they hit peak frothing. The trials and tribulations one must endure I suppose. Just because you build a fence doesn’t mean there won’t be a bunch of people trying to find a way of getting around/through/over/under it. Or dogs. Unless you make the dog fence-proof.

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

Would a fence-proof dog have wings?

bluecat
bluecat
4 years ago

Wire-cutter jaws?

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

@Mike Surveys of male University students about their sexual experiences. It’s higher other places, like 13% in the US Air Force. Many start out as teenagers and engage in other types of sexual abuse.

It’s high, but it’s consistent with what we know about victimization.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Look up David Lisak.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

Not too surprising, since about 1% of the male population scores very high in psychometric tests designed to measure sociopathy.

katz
4 years ago

IS THAT A CAT DOING DOG AGILITY??

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

Great article David. It’s funny to read something you’ve written that isn’t dripping with sarcasm!

@Scildfreja, thank you for linking the Ghomeshi article. A very good read. Also Agilitycat is the BEST.

Button
Button
4 years ago

David, you mentioned getting messages from people thanking you for showing them some sense about the manosphere. Would you mind writing a post with some of those? With identifying info redacted, ofc. That would be a nice feel-good post, I think.

David N-T
David N-T
4 years ago

Hey David,

You mentionned former followers of Roosh V in the article. I’d be kind of curious to hear about them. It’d be like a little ray of sunshine considering the amount of mud you have to wade through to bring us your blog.

Makroth
Makroth
4 years ago

@Scildfreja

Those gifs are amazing!

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

Technically those dogs are all not fence-proof. A dog who is fence proof could be the one whose owner came up with the idea of a “nimrod” which is basically a stick attached to the dog via harness and laying perpendicular to the spine. Thus the dog cannot fit through the fence because, stick keeps that from being possible. Or a dog who is kept inside unless on a leash and with a responsible person, thus eliminating any issue of fence breaching via gaps in fence structure, under-the-fence-digging-escape, or chewing through the fence (in this case you have a dog who cannot be contained by a fence and may need frequent trips to the vet due to the many other things besides fence that the dog eats because…it does that kind of thing and will continue to do so whenever you aren’t looking at them for 1 second let alone aren’t in the room for a longer period of time…some dogs will eat anything and everything – socks, rocks, trees, tennis balls, action figures, underwear, keys….and dog food, but I don’t understand how they have the room in their tummy for that after everything else.)

And some of those aren’t even dogs, but still entertaining. 😛

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ missexception

a stick attached to the dog via harness and laying perpendicular to the spine

Gawd, the number of times I’ve watched as my dog tries to get through the door with some huge stick she’s picked up…

Freemage
Freemage
4 years ago

Mike: I can’t source the number History Nerd gave, but remember, between 1 in 4 and 1 in 6 women report an attempted or completed sexual assault (a lot of the variance there depends on definitions). If the number of serial rapists is lower than 4%, then a vastly higher number must be single-event rapists, which isn’t really all that reassuring.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

@Alan

Lol, I can see that being kinda entertaining to watch as the dog tries to puzzle it out every which way it can come up with. Much like watching my dog run full speed down the stairs with her “baby” (stuffed Eeyore which has the ears, tail, and eyes removed because she tried to eat them) in her mouth and somewhere around the two bottom steps she does this launch-roll-baby-still-in-jaws-now-used-as-padding-protection before tossing it in the air and barking like mad at it for causing her to land on her butt in the front entryway. But not a minute later she’s got it in her mouth and gone to the sofa to properly clean and inspect her “baby”.

Then there’s the one trick I’ve ever been successful in teaching her. I say “Show me your boobies” and she flops onto her back. 😛

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

Wonderful doggies and kitties!

Which reminds me — my kitty is doing much better. No other bleeding incidents. She lay around for a few days but one morning I got up and she accosted me to complain that her food bowl was empty, and what was I going to do about this outrage hmm?

She’s got a shorn patch around one of her front legs where they took blood and hooked up an IV, and it makes that leg look scrawny.

My boy’s pinkeye has resolved but now we’ve all got coughs and runny noses. Poo.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

freemage and Mike:

Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

Now I wanna teach my cat tricks. Not that he’d go for that.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ scildfreja

Oh, that’s sooooooooo familiar 🙂

@ msexception

When Sas (my fur kid) was just a pup I was terrible. I used to go to some posh pet supplies shop in Hampstead and buy her ‘educational’ dog toys. I’m so grateful she still loves me after that.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@History nerd :

“Serial rapists now are about 4% of the male population (plus probably significantly less of the female population). Those guys weren’t born serial rapists.”

It’s your opinion or a solid fact ? I do agree education is responsible for a significant part of thoses 4%, but I kind of find it too optimistic to think that education is responsible for most of them.

I also am iffy for the use of “deviant arousal pattern” because it look like you use it as an euphemism for (would-be) rapist.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
4 years ago

Heh. A friend of mine back in elementary school had a big springer spaniel named Chudleigh. (Why, yes, they were an old English family, why do you ask?) Chudleigh was a pretty smart dog. He could get over or around the fence in the back yard no matter what they did… and my friend reported seeing Chudleigh run through the front yard up to the edge of the road, stop, look both ways, and only then run across the road.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

My friend’s dachshund could operate the electric windows in her car; that was a bit weird to see. Cute though.

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
4 years ago

If there’s anyone here who wants to do some detective work….

Does anybody know if this is Beezow Doo-Doo Zoppitybop-Bop-Bop’s real Facebook page? He was in the news yesterday for allegedly assaulting police officers.

https://www.facebook.com/beezow.d.zopittybopbopbop

If this really is his Facebook page, then in addition to being a criminal he’s also a MRA. In addition he has liked the page “Smash Cultural Marxism II”, which, among other things, vilifies Oliver Cromwell for allowing Jews back into England rather than banning them as previous kings had done.

Then again, maybe it’s just someone else using Zoppitybop-Bop-Bop’s name to promote his himself.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

Great article, David!

I once had a cat who tried to open doorknobs. He was sure that if he could jump up to doorknob level and get sufficient hang time, he’d eventually turn the knob … and then he’d never be thwarted by a door again!

Jamesworkshop
Jamesworkshop
4 years ago

More heartening are the notes I get from former followers of Roosh and his comrades who’ve since come to realise that the philosophy they had adopted was poisonous not only for the women in their life but for them as well. That’s why it’s important to stand up to people like Roosh and let young men know there are healthy alternatives to his hateful ideology.

Love cannot exist in any relationship that is based on domination and coercion. Males cannot love themselves in patriarchal culture if their very self-definition relies on submission to patriarchal rules. When men embrace feminist thinking and preactice, which emphasizes the value of mutual growth and self-actualization in all relationships, their emotional well-being will be enhanced. A genuine feminist politics always brings us from bondage to freedom, from lovelessness to loving.”
― bell hooks

Jamesworkshop
Jamesworkshop
4 years ago

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-heroic-cat-saves-woman-being-raped-by-her-own-step-nephew-1542037

Turkey: ‘Heroic’ cat saves woman from being raped by her own step-nephew

By Tom Porter
February 4, 2016 18:38 GMT

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

So about 5% to 10% of men in a specific population have committed at least one rape and about half are serial offenders (he discusses statistics around 8:30 on).

A very low amount of serial offenders would mean that around 20%-30% of men are single offense rapists. But I think it’s more likely that one group of single offense rapists never does it again and another group becomes serial offenders. It’s totally plausible that an 18 year old guy might take Roosh’s advice and rape somebody, end up with no consequences, and then continue offending until he can’t stop. Meanwhile, Roosh’s “no means no but you can keep pressuring her until she stops saying no” gives the serial rapist a rationalization so he can think what he’s doing isn’t actually rape.

Bina
4 years ago

OMG. Come to comment on the ugly Roosh pic (srsly, is his jacket made of upholstery fabric? I could swear I saw that velour on a chair!), stay for all the awesome kittypups. And the fenceturtle (fencetortoise? fenceterrapin!)

Bina
4 years ago

“This is exactly what feminists want, to have men living in fear by allowing women to retroactively change their minds about all their sex encounters,” writes Roosh.

Interesting how when women challenge his bullshit with even a modicum of feminist legal analysis, he immediately becomes fearful and defensive. If that doesn’t tell you that he KNOWS he’s being rapey, I don’t know what does. He knows what he does can get him in deep shit with the law. Else why be so afraid?

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

I think it’s mostly socialization, yes. But there might be genetic predisposition to it. Socialization is more than parenting and education.

“Deviant arousal pattern” means getting turned on by non-consensual sex or sex involving children or animals. It’s used in academic literature, so it’s a bit of a euphemism, but it doesn’t exactly mean “would-be rapist” since some people might just have fantasies they choose not to act on.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Here’s a link that does a good summary of the research about rapists
https://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/

Then there’s this
http://www.newsweek.com/campus-rapists-and-semantics-297463

I don’t have access to real research unfortunately, but those summaries were easily found.

Given the topic of the post, I find the optimism that serial rapists are exceedingly rare a little disconcerting. Is that just me?

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

First comment on Dave’s article is some dude saying that, while Roosh is obviously sexist, maybe the real issue is that we consider misogyny to be bad. Maybe misogyny is a good thing, he suggests. Thanks for your cutting insights, random woman hater.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ viscaria

Thanks for your cutting insights, random woman hater.

In some ways I actually prefer to use the term ‘woman hater’ rather than mysogynist (not least because I can actually spell that).

To me it says very bluntly what these people really are. Mysogynist almost sounds like a euphemism or even suggests hating women is some sort of ‘condition’ that can’t be helped.

That’s just me though. I could be wrong on this (I often am, but I like to learn)

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

I’d guess that both the serial and single-act rapists under-reported in the surveys. I do think assuming most rapists are single-act minimizes the problem and creates undue sympathy for perpetrators (a single-act person can always become serial). It’s a type of “boys will be boys” argument and people can use it to excuse behavior. That’s more or less the idea behind “date rape,” that huge proportions of guys do it once due to a miscommunication or stupidity and never do it again. Many people hear victimization figures and jump to that conclusion because they have a poor understanding of statistics and would rather believe something less depressing.

A huge percentage of men can participate in rape culture and not be rapists through minimizing, rape jokes, etc. Rape culture shields the rapists from accountability.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

There is some evidence that genetic predisposition could play a large factor. But I believe it’s much more likely that culture has more of a role. So yes, I think Roosh and his works are responsible for making the world a worse place.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
4 years ago

Brains are made of silly putty. Roosh and his ilk (ilk is a great word for them, I think) are certainly responsible for spreading this peculiar brand of stubborn hate.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 years ago

@Alan

In some ways I actually prefer to use the term ‘woman hater’ rather than mysogynist (not least because I can actually spell that).

To me it says very bluntly what these people really are. Mysogynist almost sounds like a euphemism or even suggests hating women is some sort of ‘condition’ that can’t be helped.

That’s a perspective I’d never considered before. Personally, I actually like misogynist more. I feel like it anchors the hatred of women into systemic oppression, whereas “woman hater” doesn’t invoke that same context for me. In this case, though, the guy proudly hates women and thinks that the hatred of women is the only logical, reasonable way to react to us; so the term seemed to fit. XD

Bina
4 years ago

First comment on Dave’s article is some dude saying that, while Roosh is obviously sexist, maybe the real issue is that we consider misogyny to be bad. Maybe misogyny is a good thing, he suggests. Thanks for your cutting insights, random woman hater.

A “good thing”? Not for 51% of the world’s population, it ain’t. A bad prevailing reality, is what it is. A reality in need of changing is what it is. But a “good thing”? Ptui.

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