Categories
antifeminism creepy empathy deficit entitled babies evil SJWs homophobia men who should not ever be with women ever misogyny PUA racism rape rape culture red pill return of kings rhymes with roosh

What you need to know about Roosh V, the pickup artist holding meetups in 43 countries this Saturday

The man who would be king of the trolls
The man who would be king of the trolls

UPDATE: Roosh has announced that he is cancelling all the meetups. For more see my post here.

Roosh Valizadeh may be getting exactly what he wants. The scuzzball pickup artist and would-be philosopher of “neomasculinity,” best known for his semi, demi, sort-of-satirical article advocating that rape be made legal on private property, has ignited a firestorm of controversy in the media and online by announcing plans to hold meetups for his fans in 165 locations worldwide this coming Saturday.

As someone who’s been watching Roosh for many years, I can certainly understand the outrage. Roosh is a thoroughly despicable person — a misogynist, racist, homophobe, and anti-Semite who has self-published a series of books of pickup artistry that many observers see as rape manuals.

He teaches his followers that a “no” from a woman is usually just an indication to keep trying; he fills his books with “field reports” of his own sexual experiences that often seem indistinguishable from rape. (That’s why some people describe him as a confessed serial rapist; he’s never been charged much less convicted of rape, as far as I know.)

And then there is that piece of his extolling what he sees as the benefits of legalizing rape on private property. (He now claims it was satire, but was unable to explain to the BBC what exactly he was supposedly satirizing.)

Unfortunately, some of the media coverage of Roosh and his planned meetups has been sloppy and misleading; assorted rumors about the events are flying around online.

This post is intended to give you solid information about Roosh and his meetups and to correct some of the misinformation floating around.

If you need more information about Roosh himself and his beliefs, please take a look at some or all of the posts of mine listed below. The headlines are pretty self-explanatory, and I carefully document every point I make in them.

Pickup guru Roosh V: End rape by making it legal

Are Roosh V’s “Bang” books how-to guides for rape?

Roosh V has a little trouble with the concept of “no.”

Roosh V: “Women Must Have Their Behavior And Decisions Controlled By Men.”

Roosh the PUA dude: Women are “lubricated holes that exist mostly for a man’s sexual pleasure.”

Why pickup guru Roosh V resents women for “forcing” him to clip his fingernails and wipe his own butt

Why pickup guru Roosh Valizadeh is dangerous to women

Domestic violence laws are a crime against nature, according to pickup artist Roosh V

Roosh V: Gay marriage is part of “a degenerate march to persecute heterosexuals” and destroy society

Pickup artist Roosh V edges ever closer to neo-Nazism with an attack on “cosmopolitan,” “degenerate” Jews

Roosh V denounced as degenerate “muzzie” by white supremacists he’s trying to woo

Roosh V Is Angry That the BBC Has Portrayed Him as the Monster He Is

Oh, and I almost forgot this one:

Roosh V: It’s just a matter of time before one of my fans commits a mass shooting

And these are just some of my posts detailing many terrible things about this terrible man. See even more here.

 

Now that we know what sort of person Roosh is, we can move on to asking just what exactly he’s trying to do with all these meetups he’s scheduled around the world. I can’t answer that completely, but let me offer several caveats and warnings.

Whether you are planning something to counter a meetup in your area, or simply trying to understandwhat’s going on, here are a few things to keep in mind.

Roosh loves to troll

While it’s abundantly clear that Roosh means most of what he says — including the horrific things he’s said about rape — he is also a bit of a troll, and he’s clearly stoking the fires of the current controversy in order to get more attention for himself ad his noxious ideas. He’s also using the controversy in order to find new “SJW” villains that he and his followers can defame and harass.

Roosh is almost certainly NOT coming to your town

Roosh is planning 165 meetups; there is only one of him.

He originally said, in a FAQ on the upcoming meetups, that he plans to attend the one in Washington DC. But after the Australian media got wind of his planned meetups, Roosh stoked the firestorm by tweeting that he had booked a plane ticket to the land down under. Later, he followed up with tweets suggesting that he might instead travel  there by boat in hopes of avoiding the authorities.

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/694327787889528832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

He was almost certainly trolling. My guess is that he will indeed be going to the DC meetup, but only Roosh knows for sure.

He is not planning “‘rape should be legal’ meetups,” as the Toronto Sun claimed in a headline

The meetups, as Snopes.com has pointed out, seem to be informal get-togethers for his fans, not demonstrations or seminars or pickup bootcamps or anything much beyond a way for his readers to meet in person. Roosh no doubt hopes that the events will help solidify his fan base and make them more committed to him. They are also pretty clearly intended as a publicity stunt, and in this they have succeeded wildly.

The truth about Roosh is damning enough; there is no need to exaggerate or invent.

Roosh wants his critics to overreact and embarrass themselves in public

In a FAQ for the upcoming meetups, Roosh urges his readers to record any “crazy feminists” who show up

with your camera, upload the footage to Dropbox, and then send it to me at [email protected] afterwards so we can tear them up. … 

I will exact furious retribution upon anyone who challenges you in public on that date (remember to record them).

Roosh is also planning “retribution” against journalists and presumably anyone else whom he thinks have maligned him

Earlier today, on his forum, Roosh announced the start of what he called “OPERATION BULLHORN,” a “counter-operation” against “lying reporters” who have presented him as “pro rape.”

Where did this worldwide mob get the idea that we are meeting to discuss rape tactics? Through the media. Dozens of reporters have now blatantly lied about all of us being “pro rape” and have a “rape advocacy platform.” They have frothed up a crazy mob that is ready to dox and assault. We must hold journalists fully accountable for their incitement.

For this operation, locate all media articles written in the past week that contained the lie that we support rape and harm against women. Then collect as much as you can of the following information and post it in this thread:

-Name of reporter
-Name of media outlet he/she works for
-Most likely city of residence (don’t publish addresses but save them for possible future use)
-Twitter account URL (if available)
-Their Facebook profile URL (if available)
-Their photo (uploaded to a service like imgur.com)

In the forum thread — now locked to all but forum members, but still up on Google cache — Roosh’s fanboys have started tracking down and posting info on a number of journalists. What Roosh intends to do with this information is not yet clear.

Roosh and his fans will almost certainly try to track down the personal information of any anti-Roosh activists they manage to capture on video as well. Roosh recently announced that he had finally identified the woman who so famously dumped a beer on him during his visit to Montreal last summer. So be careful.

Roosh is making the meetup locations for some of his events private

In a post today on his Return of Kings site, Roosh declared that “the world is moving against us,”and announced that he would be making a number of the planned meetups private.

Since this meetup was never intended as a confrontation with unattractive women and their enablers, I’m moving to save as many of these meetups as I can before Saturday so that men can still meet in private away from a loud, obnoxious, dishonest, and potentially violent mob. …

In the next 24 hours, many meetups will be made private. …

We’re not going to be able to privatize all the meetups that are being threatened with protest, but we’ll save the ones that are in the most critical danger.

For those organizing against Roosh, this may actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Instead of a potentially ugly confrontation with a handful of Roosh fanboys looking to provoke a fight (that they can capture on video), the protests can be reframed not as a protest centering around one guy and his followers but as a public rebuke of the rape culture they embody.

At least that would be my preference. If you have other and possibly better ideas, feel free to post them in the comments below, or share what you’re already planning.

Whatever you’re planning to do (or not do) on Saturday, be prepared. 

Be safe! Lock down your social media presence online. Doublecheck your privacy settings, and don’t reveal anything you wouldn’t want Roosh’s fanboys to find. If you’re going to protest in person, go with friends.

Know what you’re talking about! Accusing him of things he’s not actually doing plays into his hands.

Be aware that whatever you do may get recorded and posted on Youtube; avoid tactics that may not play well on camera. 

Again, if you think I’m wrong about any or all of this, please share your thoughts in the comments below. Unless you’re a Roosh fanboy; we don’t really need you stinking up the place.

117 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Tulse
Tulse
8 years ago

It makes me sad that anyone “needs to know” anything about this douche canoe.

Jimbtho
Jimbtho
8 years ago

Thanks for this David. I have seen stuff about a planned protest in Dublin and it’s important people are forewarned.

Judas Peckerwood
Judas Peckerwood
8 years ago

Could it possibly be just a coincidence that “Roosh” rhymes with “douche”?

Nathan Hevenstone
8 years ago

So this is where we’ve gotten to.

I don’t even know what to do. If there’s a counter-something in NYC, I’ll try to be there.

I hope the woman who threw beer in his face stays safe. Actually, I hope he’s lying about having her information.

Bryce
Bryce
8 years ago

In New Zealand meetings are scheduled at Aotea Square, Auckland, Dunedin Town Hall and Glover Park in Wellington. Can’t believe he has that many supporters here. Unfortunately this has flown under the radar a bit because of all the protests going on over the TPPA.

Stupid question: can he be actually prevented from entering Australia, having had no convictions?

Miss Andry
8 years ago

Theoretically I could go to one of these publicized meet ups but these dweebs aren’t worth the effort.

bleary
bleary
8 years ago

His legalize rape “satire” is being compared to Jonathan Swift’s famous text about eating babies, A Modest Proposal (Milo has been making this claim today).

Thing is, there was evidence to suggest that Swift actually ate babies. Swift didn’t run a website for people who think that babies are delicious. Swift didn’t write books about the babies he’d met around the world, and drop hints that he had nibbled on the babies. Swift certainly never wrote long essays about how worthless and stupid babies are, and how they only exist to satisfy the appetites of grown-ups.

No reasonable person could possibly think that Swift ate babies. However, Swift did hate women, so he’s got that in common with Roosh.

katz
8 years ago

Thanks, David. This is a useful linkable.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
8 years ago

Thanks, David! I’ll forward this valuable resource to people trying to organize protests in Germany.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
8 years ago

If there’s one in the L.A. area I know a few ‘hot chicks’ who would love to heckle a group of morons, I mean ROK tribe-members…of course with a change of dress they could even get into a private meetup with ease.

They are so beautiful though…tall and gorgeous. (sighs with jealousy and admiration.)

The bastards. 😉

Wwaxwork
Wwaxwork
8 years ago

At this point this “secret” meetings are anything but secret but he’s managed to get everyone talking about him, which I suspect was the point of organizing them in the first place. Hey if nothing else it will be the only time in the lives of most of the guys going that women will actually be looking for them.

To those of you going out to protest. Stay safe, don’t get angry, don’t get violent. . .that’s what they want. Oh and record everything, if only to protect yourselves from their lies later on.

AsAboveSoBelow
AsAboveSoBelow
8 years ago

Thank you very much for this.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/02/02/1478438/-Women-hating-organization-promoting-legalized-rape-to-hold-meetings-in-40-countries-this-weekend?detail=emai

Daily Kos has an interesting article about him. Just as interesting are the comments. A covert MRA, BeingHuman, said this:

I’m not here to defend RooshV but I’d like to see the discussion framed accurately. For too long we’ve let people shouting extreme things lead a conversation which gave rise to cretins like RooshV rebuking them with their own brand of over the top rhetoric to a newly minted receptive audience. Men don’t seek out Pick Up Artist out of contempt for women. They are frustrated not just with their own failures but the radicalized gender politics heaping new fears and anxieties into an already stressed relationship.

(The emphasis is mine. The bold text is where he disses Roosh. The italicized text is where he praises PUAs. It’s quite a toxic stew of contradictory disinformation.)

And anon004 responded straightforwardly:

Trying to trick a person into having sex and then casting them aside once you’ve made the “conquest” sounds pretty contemptuous of that person to me.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

The edit function didn’t work for my preceding post. So I’ll try again to point out the contradictions in BeingHuman’s post on Daily Kos about Roosh:

I’m not here to defend RooshV but I’d like to see the discussion framed accurately. For too long we’ve let people shouting extreme things lead a conversation which gave rise to cretins like RooshV rebuking them with their own brand of over the top rhetoric to a newly minted receptive audience. Men don’t seek out Pick Up Artist out of contempt for women. They are frustrated not just with their own failures but the radicalized gender politics heaping new fears and anxieties into an already stressed relationship.

(The emphasis is mine. The bold text is where he disses Roosh. The italicized text is where he praises PUAs.)

Tim O'Shea
8 years ago

I know many people have said: don’t give this guy any more oxygen. Yes he probably gets off on fame. However, social media is an effective way of organizing against this sort of bullshit. Any protest action will attract attention, whether it’s on the internet, in the streets, on the TV/radio, in national parliaments, etc.

MsMockingbird
MsMockingbird
8 years ago

Thank you for the break down, David. I would also add these “gatherings” are not a police matter if they only do what they are saying they intend (meet and talk) and calling the police about them is dancing close to the edge of fascist reactionary behavior.

The police cannot stop private citizens from gathering peaceably to speak to one another.

MexicanHotChocolate
MexicanHotChocolate
8 years ago

I’ve had bouts of diarrhea and pus-filled sores that were less disgusting than Roosh. Being diagnosed with chronic kidney disease was less depressing than the knowledge that he has enough followers to warrant multiple meetups.

LankyYankee
LankyYankee
8 years ago

@Bryce

Not a stupid question, but yes, he can be prevented from entering. It depends a lot on how he tries to enter, but the immigration minister already has everything he needs to bar Roosh’s entry. If barred, Roosh can appeal, but it would stop him getting in straight away, at the very least.

Unless, of course, he tries to get in by boat. That would actually be the best option for everyone, as Australia currently has a policy of sending all boat people who arrive illegally* to a detention camp on Nauru to be processed. I definitely want him to be stupid enough to try that – it would be AMAZING.

*I’m using the government’s language here – it’s not illegal to seek refuge, but Australia currently treats it like that. Roosh would certainly be arriving illegally though, if he snuck in by boat.

Scaly Llama
Scaly Llama
8 years ago

@Bryce

Yes, he can. Under Australia’s visa laws, a person who doesn’t have good character can be denied a visa or have their visa cancelled by the minister. Two PUAs have had to leave Australia because of this, and another person (some kind of fundamentalist Christian scumbag?) had his visa cancelled mid-flight and was refused entry to the connecting plane from the US to Aus.

So it’s possible, especially since Peter Dutton, the current minister for immigration, has specifically directed that he’s not to be granted a visa.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

Any twitter experts help me with a query?

I’ve seen that Roosh’s motivation for all this is his spat with Milo over who can get the most twitter hits or whatever those graphs show.

But is there any material benefit from that? Is there like a critical number where suddenly you get more ad revenue or does it trigger a book deal or access to something else valuable?

I think this thing was never about the actual meetings, just to get a bit of a media storm, but I suppose my query is: is he just doing this for ‘shits & giggles’ or is there a financial reason?

Scott Hamilton
Scott Hamilton
8 years ago

A restaurant near one of the meeting spots in the Chicago area is upset.

I think they’re a little confused and think Roosh’s people were planning to meet at the restaurant, which they probably weren’t. But yeah, at least here in the Chicago the whole thing is becoming a farce. The meeting actually in Chicago will probably be overwhelmed by protestors and advertising for a real pet shop.

Hypatia
Hypatia
8 years ago

Guys, sorry for being off-topic, but I think you should see the newest video by our favourite female misogynist a.k.a. Judgy Bitch. She is discussing whether women should have the right to vote. (The conclusion is of course that, no, they shouldn’t). I can’t link it as I’m on the phone but definetely look it up.

Scaly Llama
Scaly Llama
8 years ago

Ninja’d by LankyYankee!

Good info about the boat arrival issue though, and something I’ve pondered since seeing him claim he could do it.

The Australian Navy has a pretty good track record of finding the boats (and a pretty horrific record of doing things like dragging them back to international waters, taking them over and forcing the occupants into special orange life boats, conducting ridiculously inept and shallow immigration “interviews” over the phone and often without interpreters while the occupants are still at sea, and etc.)

Australia may look unprotected but not much doesn’t get monitored.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

Everyone should just point and laugh from a distance. That’s what I’ll be doing.

Of course, I’m lucky enough to live in a city without a meetup.

1 2 3 5