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UPDATE: The pet shop is closed? Roosh V claims he’s cancelled his meetups; apparently he’s just organizing them secretly now

So sorry to hear it
So sorry to hear it

STOP THE PRESSES!

Everyone’s favorite pickup artist guru Roosh Valizadeh has announced that he is cancelling all of the 165 meetups in 43 countries he had planned for this coming Saturday.

I can no longer guarantee the safety or privacy of the men who want to attend on February 6, especially since most of the meetups can not be made private in time. While I can’t stop men who want to continue meeting in private groups, there will be no official Return Of Kings meetups. The listing page has been scrubbed of all locations. I apologize to all the supporters who are let down by my decision.

Huh. Should we take him at his word on this? Roosh, in addition to being a terrible person, is also a bit of a troll. It wouldn’t exactly shock me if Roosh’s alleged cancellation turned out to be nothing more than a ruse, that the meetups are still on, and that he’s simply moved the planning for his meetups out of the public eye.

[EDITED TO ADD: It looks like this is indeed what he’s doing, organizing them secretly on the Roosh V forum, now closed to outsiders, at least according to sources with accounts on the forum.][EDITED AGAIN: Here are some screenshots (not mine) of his forums showing some of the places where they’re still trying to organize meetups.]

[EDITED AGAIN 2: REDDIT BOOGALOO There’s a stickied post in the Red Pill subreddit inviting all properly credentialed red pill alpha dogs to come to these super secret alternate meetups.]

If he really has cancelled them, the question becomes: did he do it because he was genuinely afraid for the safety of himself and his fanboys? Or did he take a look at all the protests being scheduled and realize he would look foolish if, in location after location around the globe, tiny groups of Roosh fanboys faced off against big crowds of mocking feminists? Hell, maybe he realized that in a lot of the locations he announced he was going to have trouble getting even one person to show up.

Will we ever learn where the pet shop is?

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sevenofmine
sevenofmine
4 years ago

I wouldn’t go so far as to say Roosh never intended for anyone to actually meet up but I’d be extremely surprised if he hadn’t hoped/planned from the start to be able to make a big show of having to switch to covert mode. They’re very invested in the narrative that they’re the real victims.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

Ta! Going w OH and Spawn – line-up promises a few laughs, should be good, yes 🙂

Hope the gaming goes well.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

@Alan

All the current situation means is that in 20 years time it’ll be some self made Syrian millionaire saying “you’re fired!” on that TV show.

You make a good point there because to all the racists and reactionaries there are no Syrians in merry England.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

What I really dislike about the ‘just ignore him’ is that this is what women are told ALL the fucking time when it comes to the unpleasant and threatening things men do to us. Man grabs your arse in a club: ‘just ignore him’, man follows you making explicit sexual threats: ‘just ignore him’, boy grabs girls breasts in the playground: ‘just ignore him’. Being subjected to continual rape and death threats on the internet? Disengage, do not be on the internet (this one from Milo), be silenced.

And you know the reason we are told to ignore? It isn’t because the lack of response or challenge will reduce the abuse – it REALLY doesn’t. The reason is disempowerment. We are expected to register that sword of Damocles hanging over us that might drop if we tell our harasser to fuck off, get out of our face, or give him a slap.

I have fought back against many an abuser, both verbally and physically. I have been threatened further, but I have never been further physically assaulted. I concede that I am a large woman, and I think my size helps. But on the whole I think just about any woman can do this.

It doesn’t matter if these guys call us crazy aggressive bitches, ugly fat lesbians, vicious unstable feminazis – IT DOESN’T MATTER. What matters is that we are NOT SILENCED!

If you do not have that kind of personality fine – I am not calling a woman who does not speak out a coward or traitor. I am thinking of those thousands upon millions of women who want to speak out, but have been silenced by the unspoken threat.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

Tracy – exactly!

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

I agree with Ellesar. My experience with bullying is that ignoring people don’t work.

I also agree that ignoring people attract more physical retribution than being loud and vindicative.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

Re: ignoring

I used to live in a region with a growing neonazi scene, which became more and more organised and drew nazis from all over Germany to their rallies. At the climax they organised a march on 18th August to commemorate Rudolf Hess, traditionally a big event in the Nazi calendar because they try to frame him as the Nazi who wanted peace. As the town where Hess is buried had banned all events on that day, they tried to relocate it to this other town near where I lived.

The mayor of that town actually told the press and the Town Council that he recommended the whole town to stay at home and close the blinds, so that the Nazis wouldn’t have an audience. He actually called that “committed ignoring”. Luckily, everybody ignored him, we made sit-in blockades (into which the police, who obviously hadn’t been told to “committedly ignore” us, rode on effing horses). Can you imagine the picture: a German town, blinds closed, streets empty save for a bunch of black-clad Nazi Skinheads with their Reichskriegsflaggen and Iron Crosses and shit, howling racist paroles?

I am certainly never gonna tell anybody to ignore vile shit like that.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

Also agree with Ellesar. Either silence is construed as consent to continue, or at least as an indication that the slime can continue (or escalate) free of comeback – or the whole point was to silence and erase you in the first place.

We see it all the time. If shitty behaviour is not called out, it just goes on and on and usually gets worse over time. Personally I am not good at calling out; doesn’t stop me agreeing with Ellesar’s point though!

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

I think ignoring Roosh might be the best thing to do because he will spin any response to meetups as persecution. He will aggressively come after anyone who confronts him or his fans.

I don’t agree with “just ignore it” in general, but Roosh is a special case.

testicular manslaughter
testicular manslaughter
4 years ago

I wish I could “like” Ellesar’s comment.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

History Nerd,
So? Let him spin. He’s an ass and the same could be said of any bully. I was bullied and do you know what they do when you stand up to them? They run and tell what a bully you are. Every time. When they can’t control you, they slander you and use others to punish you for fighting back. They will lie to make it seem like you deserve abuse. Ignoring them does not stop the abuse. Only people standing with victims can do that.

You want us to stand up for Doosh’s victims or ignore him like what he does to women doesn’t matter as much as how he spins a lie? You that afraid of having a slim chance of looking bad in the eyes of a rapists fanboys? You know who will believe his lies? The same douchebags who believe him already. No loss.

Valentine
Valentine
4 years ago

Ignoring abusers is the worst thing to do. Ignoring attention seekers is the right thing to do. But roosh is both of those things! -_- if we saying this is a stunt then I’d go with the ignoring but it’s too late for that now. He got his media storm.

Bina
4 years ago

Nthing Ellesar, Bernardo and all the rest who say no to ignoring. Bullies thrive on being ignored. Fighting back sends them scuttling, and it’s the only thing that will. When possible, fight back with mockery; when not, fight back with demos.

And boxing gloves, if necessary.

EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

What Lea said.

“Just ignore them and hope they go away” is the classic argument of the person in power who doesn’t have to live with the consequences of them not going away.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

Bernardo Soares – it provoked a very strong image and reaction in me when I read your post – if the mayor had got his way wouldn’t those neo Nazi’s have felt powerful having the place to themselves. I would have read it as hiding, and if you are hiding you are admitting fear and weakness. If one can one must resist that!

I don’t suppose the Mayor was a Nazi sympathiser, but maybe he was worried about it all kicking off, and that that might bring more neo Nazi’s to back up their bro’s?

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

I used to be bullied too, and yeah ignoring them doesn’t work.

@Bernardo

Rudolph Hess? Wasn’t he the Nazi who flew solo to Britain, got captured, then denounced by Hitler as a traitor? Oh the irony.

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

On second thought, Roosh will probably spin anything that happens or doesn’t happen into a victory for himself.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dreadnought

Rudolph Hess?

He was a complete git right up to the end. When he was in Spandau he’d befriend the new guards and persuade them to give him cigarettes; then grass them up to the governor; seriously.

sevenofmine
sevenofmine
4 years ago

I think ignoring Roosh might be the best thing to do because he will spin any response to meetups as persecution.

He’ll spin ignoring him into victory too. I really hate this attitude that we need to constantly pander to the dishonesty of reactionaries and bigots. No. They don’t get to dictate to us how we advocate for ourselves and our rights. They don’t get to set the terms of this conversation. They don’t get to make us water down our message lest we make them angry.

Dark Statistic
Dark Statistic
4 years ago

Don’t forget, he spun Forbes saying that his site didn’t cost Star Wars money as Forbes confirming his site cost Star Wars money. We can’t win in the sense of “damaging” him and his committed lackeys in their own minds.

However, we can win in the sense that our response can have a huge impact on the public perception. So, for instance, although I don’t know that the Canadian mayors could (or even should) have done something to stop the meetups, their public stance and support was powerfully symbolic. And of course, he doesn’t realize how much credibility he’s given feminists here — two days ago, even well-meaning but ignorant people might have been able to tell themselves that feminist descriptions of rape culture were exaggerated. Now, with this object lesson in hand, that’s a lot harder to do.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

@Alan

I was going to comment on how remarkable it was that Hess — a man of such outstanding and imposing intelligence — managed to become second in command to Hitler, until I remembered that Hitler himself was intolerant of thought.

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

Maybe ignoring Roosh would keep the size of his fanbase down, but you know what? Even without Roosh, people that would be his fans are still going to be by-and-large shitty people. Let them rally around their “leader”; the net amount of shit is still going to be roughly the same, just maybe more concentrated and easier to identify at a distance. (If someone ever says “Hey have you heard of Roosh V/RoK?” and it’s not immediately followed by mocking laughter, it’s pretty safe to cut them out of your life)

However when we make a big stink about it and unequivocally make it known that him and his views are not acceptable, we’re letting everyone who is vulnerable to that brand of bullshit know that they aren’t alone. We’re making it easier for people to say “this isn’t okay” when confronted by one of these would-be-rapists.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

@ Ellesar

yes, exactly, that would have been more than creepy. I guess the mayor (who, iirc, was from the Social Democratic Party) feared the conflict, the expenses from the police operations and cleaning up afterwards. To their credit, the town had tried to ban the march, but a court had decided against them.

A more creative reaction to courts forcing towns to allow Neonazi marches comes from another city not too far away, who, after a court had allowed the Nazis to hold their rally, simply organised a huge benefiz open air concert for free with some well-known bands. When the Nazis turned up at the train station, police explained that they were very sorry, but the city was “unexpectedly” so full of people that their rally had to be canceled due to safety concerns. The result: sad Nazis standing around forlornly near the train station, guarded by police, while everybody else in town had a great day.

@ Dreadnought
Rudolf Hess flew to England because he wanted to negotiate for peace with his “Aryan brothers”. Today, Neonazis claim that’s proof that Hitler wanted peace, although it was only ever about England (which the Nazis had hoped wouldn’t enter the war and which they saw as belonging to their race), Hess basically only wanted to avoid the opening up of a second front, and Hitler frothed when he heard Hess had done it on without his approval.

They also usually drivel something about how his death was shady, conspiracyJewsblahblah. It’s all a load of horseshit of course, but they’re Nazis, so what can you expect…

To the point about ignoring: there’s one thing I’ve learned about these Nazi rallies, and I think it applies to Roosh too: the most important effect of these demos isn’t the publicity or the image, it’s the coming together and cadres organizing. If you leave them alone, they can do so in silence. If we mount counterprotests, we can a) organize amongst ourselves and b) try to disturb their organizing. At the least we can take pictures, through which we can try to identify the most active people in the group.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

“Meant to do that” cat washes the hinder-parts…and without objecting to doing so or mewling that it’s soooooo much work to expect from “Meant to do that” cat.

Roosh the much less than impressive, on the other hand…

Lurker
Lurker
4 years ago

Hey heads up! MRAs were made fun of heartily last night on The Mysteries of Laura, the tv show!

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dreadnought (& Bernardo)

Bernardo is a real expert on this so he can tell you lots more, but it must be remembered that the Nazi regime was incompetent both by accident and design

Hitler deliberately created a chaotic and dysfunctional beaurocracy full of idiots precisely to avoid any danger of a rival building up a power bloc against him.

There’s this myth of Nazi efficiency, but in reality they were just blundering and making it up as they went along.

As one (non nazi) German General put it ” The Nazis talk about a thousand year reich but can’t think ahead five minutes”

Of course incompetence can’t negate evil unfortunately, so if you’ll forgive the Godwin, that’s why MRAs are so dangerous.

ETA: ah, as indeed Bernardo just did

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

@ Alan

I wouldn’t say that they all were idiots, and “just blundering along” is too strong an expression. In fact, it’s always been one of the most horrible lessons of the Third Reich to me how so many very smart people were so easily persuaded to take part in unbelievably cruel and heinous undertakings.

I guess what you mean, however, is the principle of “working towards the Führer”. This principle (theorized by Ian Kershaw) means that the Nazi bureaucracy was organised in way that, although Hitler couldn’t be involved in all day-to-day activities, bureaucrats should make decisions the way they thought Hitler would. This, according to Kershaw, is the reason why Hitler could, to historians, appear as a “weak dictator” but at the same time remain in total control.

On the upper echelons of the Nazi bureaucracy, departments competed over responsibilities and areas of competence, so that in a very hierarchical structure, competition and initiative was still ensured. This was transmitted down the hierarchy; for example, for several years, there existed two cultural associations, one led by Goebbels, the other by Rosenberg, which competed for responsibilities even in the smallest towns. In these conflicts, everybody always invoked the spirit of the Führer, who only occasionally decided for one over the other.

Button
Button
4 years ago

I wonder…

There’s a possible motivation for these meetups that no one has touched on. I wonder if Roosh is lonely, and this is his way of trying to make friends?

I mean, he doesn’t seem to have a job, or any interests besides “banging.” That must be lonely. We’ve seen signs of him trying to reach out to new people online, but he’s been smacked down hard because that’s what happens when a person of middle-eastern descent tries to befriend white supremacists.

He wouldn’t be able to organize just a his-own-area meetup, because then it would be too obvious that it was for him. He needs to frame it as an event he’s organizing for other people, because what little power, influence & income he has is based on the image he projects of having solved all his problems by picking up chicks. But if he sets up meetings everywhere, then nobody can accuse him of being desperate or lonely. And maybe he can get some kind of ongoing social interaction to distract from the fact that he’s devoted the best years of his life to actively destroying every acquaintanceship he cultivates.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Bernardo

The fact that so may smart people did get caught up in it demonstrates the dangers of fascism. The Wansee Conference is a chilling example. I won’t be offended if you point out how many lawyers were present.

I do think hitler felt safer with chaos and incompetents though, the clever ones really triggered his paranoia. Ironically, by pushing them to the margins he may actually have given the space to move against him.

But yeah, the ‘what would hitler do?” Mindset was something very prevalent.

It’s interestingly though to try to draw an organisational chart of the top hierarchy with chains of command and lines of demarcation, it’s almost impossible.

Oops, gotta shoot, but morbidly interesting topic.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
4 years ago

Ah, so now he’s doing what he fucking should have done in the first place?

I swear to fuck, do these people realize people can just go to any website at any time and read their shit?

You do not PLAN things in the open if you want them to be effective UNLESS you’re “in the open” plan is the decoy. Which it often isn’t.

It insults the intellegence, their incompetence at making “secret” plans.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ button

You raise an interesting point. This may seem like a slightly divergent point, but have you ever seen the film “Sexy Beast”?

Ben Kinglsey does a magnificent bit of acting playing a really really horrible gangster. He’s the most foul mouthed spiteful hateful creature ever.

When Kingsley was asked how he achieved such a brilliant portrayal he answered “I just imagined he was the saddest man in the world”

I don’t have any good feelings towards Roosh at all, but it must be horrible being him.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

@ Alan

What gets me aren’t even the asshole lawyers working on the Nuremberg Laws. What gets me are all the assholes who after the war, excused their deeds with “well, it was written law, I was only interpreting it”. Infamously, Hans Filbinger (who subsequently was shown to have sentenced deserters to death after the capitulation, but went on to have a successful political career) said:

What was lawful then, cannot be unlawful today.

That was, as you’ll know, what the lawyers and judges at the Nuremberg Trials struggled with.

There are a few heroes. I grew up in Ludwigsburg, where the “Central Post of the State Judicial Administrations for the Research of National Socialist Crimes” (yay, german bureaucracy!) is situated. Those guys relentlessly fought politicians, other judges and DAs, and post-fascist German society at large to prosecute the most evil Nazi war criminals, and they’re still at it. It’s an invaluable resource for historians today, and they still do some good work.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Agreed that ignoring doesn’t work. I’m more aligned fan of the feed trolls till they burst model. At least for those of us who have capability to mock them and stand up to them. Not victim blaming those who need to disengage for self care.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Bernardo

You’ll know better than I how many Nazis went on to hugely successful and ‘respectable’ careers after the war. Didn’t the guy who organised the Todt Organisation end up being some business guru in the 50s?

One of my favourite advocacy teachers (Irvine Younger) was an expert on Nuremberg. He was amazing to hear on the subject. Obviously as someone who does military law it’s something I have to study. I’m also very interested in the Tokyo Tribunal. That doesn’t get as much coverage, but a lot of the principles that people associate with Nuremberg actually originated there.

The Nazi obsession with ‘legality’ is both bewildering and nauseating (funny, that ‘own your group’s shit’ really gets to me here). When your objection to a particular Jew being murdered is based on the fact that the relevant legislation needs amending otherwise you can only sterilise him, rather than the morality of the situation, something is fucked up.

Titianblue
Titianblue
4 years ago

Anonymous have doxxed Riosh on their Facebook page

davidknewton
4 years ago

Blech. Wankers. He shows himself to be bad enough.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

I apologize if I’m repeating what others have said.

You have to pick your battles. This is a very individual thing.

That said, an important reason to speak up against people who have ill intentions is to demonstrate your power. Maybe your power is in your words or your numbers or the passion with which you hold your convictions. Maybe all of these and more.

Sometimes you have to show people who want to grab all the power that they can’t get away with it–at least, not without someone pointing out what they’re doing.

And as far as I can tell, this battle is never ending. Defeat one group of fascists? A new one will pop up. Or the old group with a new name and a slightly different mission.

Planet earth: It is what it is. We can take courage from all those who have gone before us who have brought (some of) us, for example, the 8-hour day, the right to vote, laws against pollution, and battered women’s shelters.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Titianblue
I went to Anonymous’s Facebook page, but I don’t see that they’ve doxxed Roosh.

What I see is that Roosh claimed that Anonymous attacked his Return of Kings website. But that was in 2013.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Have you seen this blog called Rooshnme? It’s also called The Blog of Cinzia le Strega.

http://rooshnme.blogspot.com/2014/12/roosh-now-journalist.html

In my Google search for Anonymous doxxing Roosh (I see no evidence), I stumbled on it and had a quick look around. It seems to be defunct, but it’s got some good stuff, including an article on the new Ann Coulter–Judgy Bitch/Janet Bloomfield/Andrea Hardie. Search for “Women Who Hate Women.”

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
4 years ago

There’s a proverbial phrase in French that says something like “Who says nothing, consents.” Which is all I have to say about the idea of ignoring these people.

lightcastle
lightcastle
4 years ago

I don’t understand the point of these independent meetups. I thought he was going to Skype in or something – they were just random people getting together at the same time in different locations? To do what? Shuffle their feet and mumble uncomfortably at one another?

Tracy, yes. Sort of.
This has never been a mystery. That’s why I have found this all so frustrating.

Literally, he announced some time ago that he felt people should meet in person for semi-regular get togethers, because meeting live and talking is different than talking on the internet. He had already gotten 4 groups that met consistently and so formed their “tribes”.

He then announced as a big roll out to every city someone said they would host one that they should, and everyone on the same day. (Doing this that way was pretty obviously an attempt to get some page hits and hopefully to make it feel like a big deal, and if they got some flack from feminsits all the better because it made people feel like they were being brave.)

People who keep saying “he never had the organization to pull this off” are missing the point. No organization is needed. He even told people they might be the only person who showed up, it just meant their city wasn’t ready to have a meet up yet. (The tribes are EXPLICITLY limited to <10 members and he actually recommends 4-7.)

Nothing has changed about the basic tribe thing unless the RoK people are super paranoid about Anonymous. They will arrange meetups if someone gets off their ass and does so. Roosh isn't in charge of them, he wasn't skyping in, he isn't using them to coordinate making rape legal, nothing. If some form, that's great. If not, no big deal.

In a weird way, I have come around to his plan backfiring now. He wanted some buzz and he got it, that's great. But the fact that the media and so many people completely misunderstood what it was (because he hinted at it being all super cool with his secret codes and such) may have ended up worse. By escalating all the news rhetoric into "Misogynists are organizing Pro-Rape Rallies" and the media buying it, the fact no rallies will appear and that maybe demos against him do turns the whole thing into "Victorious feminists shut down world-wide pro-misogyny rallies."

It doesn't matter that the victory is over something that never was happening (or proposed) in the first place. The media narrative is set, and even if he talks about how the meetups took place anyway, it will look like he is just trying to save face.

So I'm going to change my stance and count it a win in the end. The meetups will continue as planned, but in the end what people will *remember* is that he tried to have a worldwide rally and was stopped by protests.

Mortarius
Mortarius
4 years ago

If kicking up a controversy and being attention grabbing strengthens Roosh then the logical response is not to ignore him but to outdo him, which it seems most feminist groups have.

Roosh got a lot of press from this, but it’s bad press, feminists got even more press for their collective backlash and they got better press, feminists have attracted huge amounts of people to rallies and meetups this Saturday whereas Roosh has attracted a trickle that is now shrinking.

In politics when your opponent tries to grab attention or rally support you win when you effortlessly attract more attention and support to yourself in response. Ignoring someone is only the tactic when they’re so irrelevant that you actually didn’t notice their rally to begin with.

Mortarius
Mortarius
4 years ago

Some groups think that confrontation or attention grabbing through trolling are good strategies for building movements or support, that we play into their hands when we answer the call, when actually such tactics are politically equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot.

Note that PETA’s long campaign of trolling by being “provocative” has led to a long erosion of their support and seen them widely ridiculed even as they became more “well known”.

Believing confrontation or trolling are good strategies is often rationalisation on the part of young (usually male) members who are actually just charmed by the fantasy of enraging or fighting their enemies, they’re more married to the idea of trolling/fighting than doing the best thing for their movement.

Real support can be built by stunts, controversial proclamations or provocative confrontations only if these acts come from a place of genuine conviction in an idea and are a logical prosecution of your movements philosophy so that reasonable or at least sympathetic people can see what you did would ordinarily be wrong but your philosophy makes it right.

Example: Green movements in Australia united with Farmers to “Lock the Gate” against Fracking operations when the miners had the legal right to enter the land to start fracking, people sided with them because they came from a principled position of protecting the environment and the sovereignty of farmers over their farmlands.

Conclusion: “Play into” Roosh’s hands, he and his Neomasculinists are dingbats who will only hang themselves when given enough rope, they have no considered strategy, only a fantasy of how their movement sweeps the globe.

HJ Hornbeck
HJ Hornbeck
4 years ago

Kat:

I went to Anonymous’s Facebook page, but I don’t see that they’ve doxxed Roosh.

I can verify this happened, as I saw it on “Anonymous West-Coast Canada”‘s FB page. The information’s actually been circulating around since last year, the heightened level of media scrutiny has just made it more visible. I think the address given also lines up with the Daily Mail article.

It’s also worth mentioning that Anonymous is probably responsible for the “cancellation” of those meetings. After a few failed attempts, they struck on a winning strategy: hit his pocketbook.

Do you want ROK subs to be doxed, Yes or No? How do you think that will affect their lives? or is their $ all that matters? @basedmattforney

Question for @RooshV, how much do your subscribers matter to you? Shutting down the forum and events would be a good start. #OpGlassgowKiss

You are all welcome to continue #OpGlasgowkiss eventhough @rooshv submitted to our demands. … #TurnAwayReturnOfKings

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
4 years ago

Alan

When he was in Spandau he’d befriend the new guards and persuade them to give him cigarettes; then grass them up to the governor; seriously.

Yup. A friend of ours was in the Brit SAS during the 60s and was assigned to the prison for several months. In his unprintable opinion, he was absolute scum.

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Mortarius | February 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm
Conclusion: “Play into” Roosh’s hands, he and his Neomasculinists are dingbats who will only hang themselves when given enough rope, they have no considered strategy, only a fantasy of how their movement sweeps the globe.

However, if you simply ignore them, you are allowing them to operate with no negative consequences for their actions, and they will continue to escalate what they do with no pushback until they actually do commit an atrocity.

So, I would think that, in this case at least, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant”. It’s becoming a win/win situation.

Sure, Roosh gets his “victory” and his “publicity”, but we get the added bonus of showing him and his ilk that we won’t stand for this shit, and it shows his followers that not everyone thinks the same way they do, and that most people find Roosh abhorrent, and that not all publicity is good publicity.

I think now you’d be hard-pressed to find people outside of the manosphere who will do business with Roosh at this point.

CCD
CCD
4 years ago

As much as I loathe the Daily Mail, and I feel sorry for his mother (if she’s not as awful as him), I did find it delicious to see that he does, indeed, live in his mommy’s basement. Not quite the jetsetting businessman sex guru he makes himself out to be, huh?

The amount of denouncement and delicious mockery against him, all across the internet, from multiple countries, fills my heart with the warm fuzzies. Even the Daily Mail commenters, who are normally fucking AWFUL people, were mostly laughing at him and denouncing his beliefs against women.

katz
4 years ago

You know, I’m going to come out and say I’m really not comfortable with the Daily Mail going to his house like that and getting those gross paparazzi-style photos. There are plenty of days when you could get photos of me blearily stumbling out of my house in dirty clothes and I wouldn’t want someone trumpeting “Author who writes about kickass heroines is actually a total slob!”

Sheila Crosby
4 years ago

Have you seen this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432531/Pictured-pick-artist-center-international-pro-rape-storm-t-shirt-shorts-door-mother-s-home-lives-basement.html#ixzz3zGpQInuf

Of course the Daily Mail isn’t the most reliable newspaper, but living in his mum’s basement sounds very plausible. I hope the death threats aren’t real, but that sounds plausible too.

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

I gotta be honest, as someone who also lives with family, I don’t feel comfy shaming Roosh for living with his mother.

I admit, there is a certain level of schadenfreude to finding out that Roosh isn’t this huge “baller” and “sex guru” he’s been bragging about, but it still feels kind of wrong to make fun of someone for living with their parents, especially since the economy’s in the toilet. : P