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UPDATE: The pet shop is closed? Roosh V claims he’s cancelled his meetups; apparently he’s just organizing them secretly now

So sorry to hear it
So sorry to hear it

STOP THE PRESSES!

Everyone’s favorite pickup artist guru Roosh Valizadeh has announced that he is cancelling all of the 165 meetups in 43 countries he had planned for this coming Saturday.

I can no longer guarantee the safety or privacy of the men who want to attend on February 6, especially since most of the meetups can not be made private in time. While I can’t stop men who want to continue meeting in private groups, there will be no official Return Of Kings meetups. The listing page has been scrubbed of all locations. I apologize to all the supporters who are let down by my decision.

Huh. Should we take him at his word on this? Roosh, in addition to being a terrible person, is also a bit of a troll. It wouldn’t exactly shock me if Roosh’s alleged cancellation turned out to be nothing more than a ruse, that the meetups are still on, and that he’s simply moved the planning for his meetups out of the public eye.

[EDITED TO ADD: It looks like this is indeed what he’s doing, organizing them secretly on the Roosh V forum, now closed to outsiders, at least according to sources with accounts on the forum.][EDITED AGAIN: Here are some screenshots (not mine) of his forums showing some of the places where they’re still trying to organize meetups.]

[EDITED AGAIN 2: REDDIT BOOGALOO There’s a stickied post in the Red Pill subreddit inviting all properly credentialed red pill alpha dogs to come to these super secret alternate meetups.]

If he really has cancelled them, the question becomes: did he do it because he was genuinely afraid for the safety of himself and his fanboys? Or did he take a look at all the protests being scheduled and realize he would look foolish if, in location after location around the globe, tiny groups of Roosh fanboys faced off against big crowds of mocking feminists? Hell, maybe he realized that in a lot of the locations he announced he was going to have trouble getting even one person to show up.

Will we ever learn where the pet shop is?

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Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

Roosh raising his profile is somewhat of a double-edged sword; just think, when the time comes where he needs to get an actual job…

What? He won’t be able to sponge off his parents forever?

I hope the meetings are still on, at least around here. In my neck of the woods, the meet-up place is on government property. I’d like to see law enforcement pay a group of men loitering in the parking lot of a prime location for a terrorist attack some special attention.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Bryce

Town halls eh. Righto Roosh, that was really going to happen.

Roosh raising his profile is somewhat of a double-edged sword; just think, when the time comes where he needs to get an actual job…

It’s the perfect plan! Ruin any chance you’ve got for employment so that Mommy and Daddy are forced to support you forever!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ kat

It’s the perfect plan! Ruin any chance you’ve got for employment so that Mommy and Daddy are forced to support you forever!

I wonder what his family actually do think about him. I mean, can you imagine the conversations with their friends?

“How’s the kids?”
“Oh great. Janice has got that promotion she was after. Bob’s thinking about taking some time out to go travelling”
“And Roosh?”
“Oh yeah, he’s still doing the rape encouragement thing”

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

Is the talk of him sponging off his parents just us taking the piss, or is that actually how the man lives?

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@EJ
I’m not aware of any proof of exactly how much money he makes from the “rape encouragement” gig (as Alan puts it).

But I’m assuming that it can’t be enough to finance, for example, his world tour last summer.

It was reported in the newspapers that his two talks in Canada attracted only about 35 men each. And it’s very hard to make a living from books, particularly self-published books.

So I have my opinion but no proof.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

I’d have to say it’s more or less the assumption given he doesn’t work a standard job with regular hours (AFAI/WK), he can’t possibly be getting a sufficient number of new persons buying his pathetic e-books and who would buy them over and over *if* they bothered to buy them at all, and the speaking events/tv appearances haven’t been numerous or likely to provide him with ongoing and/or significant payments. So where else could the money be coming from? He’d make sure everyone heard about it if there were a ‘sugar mama’ (or sugar daddy) supporting him – but seeing as he doesn’t have an interest in raping older (over 25 years of age) women and wouldn’t get involved in a relationship with one (like they’d opt for him anyway) who else is there to fund his lifestyle but his family?

Of course all of the above are based on what information about Roosh is available online mixed with a bit of general info regarding the average amount someone typically will net from things like tv appearances and such thrown in…..But yeah, where else would the money be coming from.

HarveyRabbit
HarveyRabbit
4 years ago

Gotta keep Roosh the Douche on the run. It’s such a handy thing for him to have picked a name that rhymes with Douche… only thing better would be if he’d chosen the name “Buckhead”.

Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

He’d make sure everyone heard about it if there were a ‘sugar mama’ (or sugar daddy) supporting him

I think there’s a 50/50 chance there. On one hand, he might think he’d look so cool to his followers for duping an 18-year-old “rich bitch” out of money. On the other, he might think that he’d look weak depending on his sugar momma to keep him afloat financially since men are supposed to be the wage earners and he’s put forth the facade that his books, speaking engagements, etc. have made him rich. Plus there’s the danger of her dumping his sorry a** if he brags about it all over the internet and she realizes he’s just using her.

Not that he’s ever going to land a rich young woman, so the point’s probably moot. Sometimes I wonder if a lot of his conquests are just puffery.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

That reasoning makes sense. Thanks.

(It’s also possible that he’s got some other independent source of income; I know some people who have enough cash in a trust fund to enable them to live at a student level for their entire adult life, and then go on to do exactly that. However, that still means that he’s not actually working for a living.)

Louise Kerby
Louise Kerby
4 years ago

Copy of a comment from another page re cancellation of event. “Incorrect information i’m afraid. They have made the locations on their official page private to their little intranet & are still going ahead with all of the meetings. Overnight Roosh informed everyone on his website to delete all of their comments in public view on their site & to also delete emails with things the members have bought, linking them to the site. As of 3am (Aus time) this morning the site confirmed that more events had been added & all info was to be set to private, so their meetings can’t be shut down. His little ‘cancellation’ was a stunt, & the media lapped it up.”

snork maiden
4 years ago

I suspect some of meetups weren’t going to happen anyway because of insufficient interest, while others will go ahead as planned so they can later claim a great victory.

Either way I don’t think Roosh gives a crap about the safety of his fans.

Owen McLovely
Owen McLovely
4 years ago

He’s not in the Get Rich Quick business, he’s in the Get Laid business.

He made $60,000 a year in 2007 as a corporate scientist. It took him about 4 years to make more than that. So he now makes more than $60,000 a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQTPDrNUHjI

And I have a bridge to sell.

Ledasmom
Ledasmom
4 years ago

Both Roosh and Vox Day increasingly remind me of a cat who heads into the kitchen at top speed, hits the linoleum, goes ass-over-teakettle, caroms off the cabinet and precipitates an avalanche of Tupperware onto his head, who then sits up and washes his hinder parts in an attempt to imply intentionality.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ ledasmom

Cats do have a very impressive “I meant to do that” ability.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@Alan
If the main reason for not paying attention to Roosh is that this is what he wants, I have to disagree.

I don’t care about what Roosh wants. If this causes people to be more aware of people like him, and maybe even discuss misogyny and rape culture when they weren’t interested in it before, that’s a win for me.

But I do think people shouldn’t be visiting his site to avoid money flowing in his direction.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ rosa

It is a dilemma. I can completely see your point that there’s a danger that ignoring becomes brushing a real issue under the carpet.

Sites like this are great because they put the misogyny crowd on display in all their ghastly detail. A problem with the regular news though is that it doesn’t go into detail and there’s that ‘must be impartial’ thing, so you get a brief bit about Roosh’s thing, someone points put he’s a rape advocate but he says ‘it’s just satire’ and they leave it there. There’s no follow up. The problem with that is, what impression does that leave on the regular reader or viewer?

I think the best thing, perhaps ironically, is to give vile people more time to express their views. Then they condemn themselves from their own mouths. That Reggie Yates programme was a good example.

It is important that people are made to realise the full extent of misogyny in society (although won’t women be aware of that anyway, they experience it on a daily basis?). So it’s perhaps men who need to know. There is a tendency to brush stuff off as unimportant (“Oh it’s just a wolf whistle” etc) so, as you say, it’s vital that people (and I think that’s mainly men) need to know what’s really going on.

It’s just how to do that without:

(A) giving vile people a platform to advertise their wares and recruit
(B) allowing them an in adequately challenged opportunity to pretend they’re not a problem

I can’t pretend to know the answers.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

Regarding the whole “giving Roosh attention” thing, didn’t he appear on a daytime talk show a while back (Dr. Oz?) and the experience drove him to manly tears?

I’m all for him getting more attention like that. Sunlight can be a great disinfectant.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

I, for one, am glad these meetups are cancelled. Now we just have to get rid of the local AVFM chapter. It’s such an embarrassment to the city; it’s already bad enough that my province is known as “the Texas of Canada”.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned/linked before – I haven’t read through the comments yet – but a group of Toronto boxers have decided to take things into their own hands:
http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/9153904

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Didn’t Roosh admit to living off his sister? Vox Day lives off of family money too. Then there’s Paul Elam sponging off his girlfriend.

All these misogynistic douchebags who go on about how women are useless bitches who do nothing to contribute to society while men hunted the mammoth and did all the things, they tend to live off others and do nothing to contribute to society themselves. Unless you count making the internet a worse place a contribution.

Lan MAM
Lan MAM
4 years ago

These meetings aren’t cancelled, he just reorganized them – see for yourself: http://www.donotlink.com/i4cm

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

I thought it was Elam who lived off his sister? I must be getting them mixed up in my head.

It’s gratifying to know that if and when the mammoths become a problem, they’ve got it sorted. Until then I assume they’re resting, training and watching out for mammoth encroachment.

Johanna
Johanna
4 years ago

@LanMAM

Hm, the donotlink seems not to load at my end of the ‘net. Does it have a history of not playing well with Safari?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ johanna

Safari user here; same thing.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

He is like the child desperate for attention, so even bad attention will do.

He is on Yahoo news (again) – the comments about him are overwhelmingly negative, and upvoted. Unfortunately some of them do dwell on his ethnicity, but on the whole people are just repulsed by the rape promotion.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

It’s not loading for me as well. I’m using Firefox

StarStorm
StarStorm
4 years ago

Awwww, that’s a shame Rooshie-poo. I know I would have gone, had I not had more important things to do.

Like, you know, X-COM 2. And ironing my cat.

Wetherby
Wetherby
4 years ago

I suspect I’ve probably posted this example before, but while there were a number of reasons for the hugely gratifying implosion of the far-right British National Party from electoral threat in 2010 to barely getting more votes than Mike Buchanan in 2015, there’s general agreement that one of the main ones was the BBC’s decision to invite party leader Nick Griffin onto Question Time, their flagship political discussion programme.

Which helpfully revealed to millions of people that far from being a latterday Mussolini (or Mosley) determined to bend the country to his will by sheer force of charisma, he was in fact a sweaty, nervous buffoon who was desperately out of his depth. The BNP turned on the damage-limitation tap full blast afterwards, but it was far too late.

And I’m seeing the same thing with Roosh, who’s been all over my Facebook feed in the last couple of days in a way that he’s never been before – but it would be fair to say that the attached comments haven’t been entirely complimentary.

Valentine
Valentine
4 years ago

The meet ups are not cancelled for sure. This is just him being the child again. His childish game with the secret codes got a little too much attention so now he says oh no and ‘cancells’. That’s ll convince them! Not. -_- I think people who were thinking of going to the ones in their home towns should still go to the protest and call his bluff. But like Dave said even if they weren’t ‘cancelled’ I find it difficult to believe that many of them will have more than just the 1 person who said they would organise it in their area. How many fans can he have in Ukraine for example? Men there probably hate him the sleezy sex tourist treating their country like nothing but a shop for young women to take advantage of.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ wetherby

That was pretty cool wasn’t it; and it was a perfect double whammy of allowing someone to condemn themselves from their own mouths and highlighting their buffoonery.

I saw a similar thing once when someone left a demonstrator speechless with “It’s not just that you’re a racist, it’s that you’re an incompetent racist”

ShinyBlue
ShinyBlue
4 years ago

I am utterly delighted by the fact that the violent rape advocates are fearing for their safety.

Good. How’s it feel?

Catgalaxy
Catgalaxy
4 years ago

@ Ledasmom

But that (fictional) kitty is already wayyy cuter and has way more worth to the world.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

@Alan

From what I’ve head, xenophobia and racism is on the rise in the U.K. Is there any truth to that?

KT Chong
KT Chong
4 years ago

A little known fact: Roosh V is a devout Moslem. He himself has admitted that his teaching is a variation of Islam.

You do not have to believe me. Here, in his own words in his videos, disclosed that he is a Moslem. He confesses that his ideas and principles are founded on Islam and the teachings of Mohammad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot4tDl6T-tY&t=2m12s

That explains where his “make rape legal if done on private property” idea came from, doesn’t it? Again, his words, not mine: http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

His own video reveals his true agenda in a moment of frustration. (So you better download and save that video before he takes it down.) So Roosh has been stealthily teaching the message of Mohammad and Allah in the guise of Men’s Right. To all the Men’s Right and Red Pill morons who support him without looking into his background and true agenda: hey, dumbasses, you are tools being used to spread Islam without knowing it.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dreadnought

From what I’ve head, xenophobia and racism is on the rise in the U.K. Is there any truth to that?

Well, as a white guy I’m obviously not the best qualified person to comment; but there’s an obvious increase in xenophobia that’s been fuelled by the way the refugee crisis is being exploited in certain quarters.

When they discuss such matters, which tbh isn’t that often, by non white mates tell me that whilst mainstream society is getting more cool about race, the bigots are getting more active. But that’s obviously as anecdotal as it comes.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

I’d agree with Alan there. Whilst I inhabit a very lefty slice of London, my experience is that the racists are becoming more visible and agitated as the background level of racism drops. Once upon a time one could express a hatred of foreigners merely by voting Tory; now one has to go to the fringes to do it.

EDIT: Apparently anti-semitism is on the rise, though.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

@PI:

@RosaDeLava: OMG THAT DR. SEUSS LOOKING PEARL.

I always thought she looked like a Lockhorn. I think it’s the half-lidded eyes. Wasn’t that a great episode?

Bina
4 years ago

It’s not loading for me as well. I’m using Firefox

Dittoes here. I’m guessing he scrubbed the page. Possible explanations:

1. Another “oh shit, they’re onto us” moment.
2. Another “oh shit, they’re onto us and they’re LAUGHING at us” moment.
3. He really is scared shitless of women.
4. Or, more to the point: of men who actually LIKE women, as opposed to men who only like dominating and abusing them.

I say we don’t ignore him; I say we keep the harsh disinfectant of sunlight and laughter turned on him, and turned on full.

Falconer
Falconer
4 years ago

@StarStorm:

Like, you know, X-COM 2. And ironing my cat.

How is XCOM 2? And how are you, after ironing your cat?

David N-T
David N-T
4 years ago

Eh, I really don’t know what to make of this. It’s pretty clear that he never intended to have all those meetups in the first place, so their subsequent cancellation is no surprise. What he has in store next might be one really super secret meetup of some kind or other, but at this point, who cares?

Frankly, I can’t wait for this guy to fade into irrelevance. Everything about his persona feel forced and ungenuine, from his attempts at sounding intellectual by using big words that he clearly doesn’t understand to the braggadocio on display when he talks about his “success”, be it with women or in organizing poorly attended get togethers. Roosh VD is trying to coast through life by mooching off mysogynists and white supremacists. He has no shame, there is nothing he wouldn’t do for money, but he’s got no real talent or personality. Sadly, he missed his career in the porn industry. I can’t help but imagine that his pickup technique resembles this, but with more alcohol and drugs:

Josh
Josh
4 years ago

@Falconer

The Smug lemon personally always made me think of the Grinch.

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

@Alan & EJ

So generally, racism in the UK is declining. That is great to hear. I find it really disconcerting about the rise of xenophobia in the country that invented liberal democracy. What happened to the great thinkers of the Scottish Enlightenment? Wasn’t it John Stewart Mill — who I know isn’t Scottish — who argued that immigration can only be a benefit to society?

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
4 years ago

@Bina

It must have been the female boxers from Toronto. I would be terrified if a boxer called me a fucker and told me to ‘get in the ring’.

maghavan
maghavan
4 years ago

Count me on Team “The whole goddamn thing was a publicity troll from the get-go and he always intended to cancel it”

I think he knew that any “meetups” would be so abysmally attended by such utter losers that it would probably be self-destructive. However low their own self-esteem, Online they can imagine they are part of a cool crowd. Face to face meetups would shatter that illusion. “Geez, there are only 6 of us in this city and they are even bigger losers than me”. You’re playing with a real risk that a significant number of them opt-out after that.

OTOH, he knew that any publicity would generate counter publicity and give him an excuse to cancel. So, he drops this shit … and counts on the “Feminists” to give him both the attention that he wants and a “plausible” (barely .. not even but believable to this crowd of morons) reason to cancel it. Not that I’m criticizing or saying anyone “should have ignored” him. It is what it is. If there had been no reaction he would have kept trolling for one until he got it … or invented one. This whole thing was a foregone conclusion.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

(speaking of lefty slices of London – Corbynista gig at the Forum in Kentish Town tonight 🙂 )

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ dreadnought

immigration can only be a benefit to society?

There’s probably not a country in the world that’s benefited more from immigration than the UK. I mean our entire history is one of immigration (there might be one bloke in Wales or somewhere who’s family actually arrived straight after the ice age ended, but as for the rest of us…)

Forgetting the cultural benefits for a moment, it’s also axiomatic that even the most recent immigrants make a net financial contribution to the country. So even the most hard hearted rationalist should be in favour.

There’s actually a fixed pattern to all this.

1. “Argh, keep them out”
2. “Well they’re here now but I’m still not happy about it”
3. “Yey, another gold medal/business success/record from that fine example of what it means to be British!”

Seen it with West Indians, Asians, Jews, Huguenots…..

All the current situation means is that in 20 years time it’ll be some self made Syrian millionaire saying “you’re fired!” on that TV show.

Of course, be nice if we could stop all the racism in the meantime and just cut to the chase.

Bina
4 years ago

It must have been the female boxers from Toronto. I would be terrified if a boxer called me a fucker and told me to ‘get in the ring’.

So’d I, if only because I don’t know how to box. I suspect that’s Roosh’s problem, too. He’s only good at one thing, and that’s exaggerating his own prowess at everything he does. (Which isn’t bloody much.)

Meanwhile, it’s not exactly a well-kept secret that he’s mainly a pro at Epic Fail. I mean, why else all the couch-surfing…in Eastern Europe, of all cheap places? Can’t he afford even a fleabag hotel in Poznan? Why hold his “neomasculinity” shindigs in shitty little back rooms at greasy spoons in Montréal and cheap motels in Mississauga? Because he hasn’t got the money to do better…why else?

And why hasn’t he got the money? Because nearly nobody is buying. The few guys who are, are such cowardly sad sacks that they won’t show their faces in public. That’s what makes his whole “coming out of the shadows” schtick so laughable. These guys are troglodytes. The shadows are their natural element. Coming out into the light of day would only get them laughed at, as it does him. And if you want to be a Great Pretender of Neomasculinity, you can’t afford to let people see the string-puller behind your curtain.

Once again, Margaret Atwood’s adage is proving all too true. These guys aren’t afraid for their physical safety so much as they are of the ignominy of being bested by a bunch of women.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ opposablethumbs

the Forum in Kentish Town

It will always be the Town & Country to me. 🙂

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 years ago

It will always be the Town & Country to me.

But of course! 🙂

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@opposablethumbs:
Alas, I’m gaming at my sister’s house, I won’t be able to make it. I hope you have a good evening.

Tracy
Tracy
4 years ago

I don’t understand the point of these independent meetups. I thought he was going to Skype in or something – they were just random people getting together at the same time in different locations? To do what? Shuffle their feet and mumble uncomfortably at one another?

I picture it going like this:

Random Guy 1: Do you know where the pet shop is?
Random Guy 2: This is it. Oh wait no, sorry… umm… it’s right here.
Random Guy 1: Ok cool.
Random Guy 2: Cool.
*silence*
Random Guy 2: So you hate women?
Random Guy 1: Oh yeah, for sure. You?
Random Guy 2: Oh yeah, totally.
Random Guy 1: Cool. Me too.
*long uncomfortable silence*
*tumbleweed blows past*
*somewhere, in the distance, a dog barks*