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Just Another Day on Twitter: Horse-Obsessed Concern Troll Edition

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In this, the inaugural episode of an occasional series I’m calling Just Another Day on Twitter, we will meet a very concerned Twitterer who showed up in my mentions today.

Jemoi1, you see, is unhappy that I suggested the other day that Richard Dawkins’ recent tweets about Chanty Binx, the red-haired Canadian feminist who’s become a favorite target of MRAs and others of their ilk, would almost certainly worsen the harassment that she’s been facing on a daily basis for nearly three years.

“[B]y accusing people you disagree with of harrasing you are pissing on the experience of real harrasment victims,” Jemoi1 tweeted at me, claiming to be a harassment victim himself. In a followup tweet, he accused me of chasing page views “while ignoring victims of harrassment.”

As I pondered whether or not to bother to respond, I clicked over to Jemoi1’s Twitter feed. And this is what I saw.

jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 1h1 hour ago @DavidFutrelle @szvan as a real harrassment victim fuck you for associating dawkins tweets with harrasment View conversation 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 1h1 hour ago @DavidFutrelle @szvan by accusing people you disagree with of harrasing you are pissing on the experience of real harrasment victims. View conversation 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 Jan 28 @caraellison someone needs to tell you how ugly you ar.e please dont appear on the internet. put a trigger warning somewhere View conversation 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 Jan 28 @caraellison bleah. damn you feminist are shitty ugly creatures. bleah. i just pucked. take it off the internet or put a trigger warning. View conversation 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 Jan 28 @youropinionz if only your mother would have ignored that dogs cock and instead of fucking him would have just give him food hahaha View conversation 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 Jan 28 @youropinionz remember the time your mother suckked a dogs dicck in the street after drinking wine. hahaha. so funny. facts-no-oppinions

As you no doubt noted, I blanked out the names of those he was targeting as well as some of the more obscene language.

There are literally hundreds of tweets like these — angry, obscene, scatological, abusive.

Jemoi1 is a little bit obsessed with horses.

@jemoi1 Jan 28 @youropinionz hahah. youre so funny. just like the time a horse shat and pissed in your mouth and you starting swallowing hahahahah

And with other people’s mothers.

realhar5fumother

Oh, in case you’re wondering, when Jemoi1 refers to “racism,” he (naturally) means racism against white people. This is the main theme of perhaps a third of his tweets.

Despite his obsession with racism (against white people), he is happy to drop the n-word into his own Tweets. Here’s one lovely example:

jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 8 Aug 2013 @LatinoFIFA dumb nigger.fuuuck you and you dead family you bitch.slave.pussy.bitxch.phoney.gfaggot

While most of his tweets target feminists and those he deems anti-white racists, Jemoi1 also has some strong feelings about e-sports, spamming a number of professional e-sporters with the same vicious, vaguely threatening message:

In a couple of cases, he moved past mere threatening language and simply sent his targets death threats.

realhardeaththreat

jemoi1 ‏@jemoi1 8 May 2012 @FlyingColour i will kill you

It seems to me that if Jemoi1 were truly concerned about the victims of harassment, he would have long ago DELETED HIS ACCOUNT.

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Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@falconer :

“What’s your understanding of the Bechdel test? Because I thought it was about stories. Yes, it concerns women characters but it doesn’t measure them.”

The point I want to make is, all the points of the aforementioned “foil” test to the bechdel test can be failed by describing accurately existing men. You don’t need. While you can’t fail the Bechdel test by describing accurately existing women.

I see the Bechdel test as a very basic reality check. If it fail, your story have a major consistent problem, or is way outside the scope the test was imaged in*. That “foil” test ? Not so much. Bubbling and incompetent dads exists, people who fall in love with someone because of his or her status exist, honest hard working men being screwed or asshole exist, people being uncreative and/or violent exist. And all in sadly high amount.

While a woman (or man) who have exactly one conversation topic, who is the opposite sex, isn’t something that happen.

Another way to state it is, the premise of the bechdel test is that movies often don’t show women as functioning human, the premise of that “foil” test is that movies often don’t show as not being asshole. The difference being that almost all women are functioning humans, while a decent fraction of men (and women) actually are assholes.

* by that, I mean that saying that, say, Interstellar, Waiting for Godot or Robin Crusoe fail the bechdel test isn’t informative, because there is a reasonable explanation.

Dr Hoveiny
Dr Hoveiny
4 years ago

The Borat movie has been on HBO a bunch lately, and I decided that Roosh is ideologically indistinguishable. Then I googled their names together and saw that this is, of course, a thing.

katz
4 years ago

– Female protagonist shows interest in the male protagonist before he is the hero.

With all respect to katz above, I think this can be rewritten as “the female protagonist is not a trophy to be won.” One doesn’t get the girl through being the hero, one gets her through being a person that she likes and wants to spend time with.

I mean, I’d love it if this is what they meant, but I just don’t see it in the rule as written. There’s nothing here about female agency. The woman doesn’t have the option to not be with the man. According to this rule, women aren’t trophies to be won — they’re entitlements you have by right.

Maybe I’m just too cynical? The violence rule is definitely good. But overall, knowing who made it, this could also be interpreted as MRA wish fulfillment wanting to be entitled to everything. I’m a nice guy, so I deserve to be a high-powered executive and get female attention and be regarded as a good dad even if my wife does all the actual work.

MissEB47
MissEB47
4 years ago

Lime-Doosh is coming to Australia?!?! Eewww!

Matchstick
Matchstick
4 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

In Cornwall “my lover” is standard, but that’s gender neutral. The bloke in my local garage calls me that.

Do you live in Cornwall or just have a Cornish mechanic ? 🙂

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Lime | February 1, 2016 at 4:46 am
Yay, there’s Roosh meet ups in Australia, what a surprise (not). I wonder where they’ll be?

Not looking up any Roosh sites to find out

With the way that Australia’s revoking PUAs’ visas forcing them to leave left, right, and center, I don’t think Roosh will last long if Australia’s made aware of it.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ matchstick

Do you live in Cornwall or just have a Cornish mechanic ?

Oh, I live here. The funny thing is, he’s not the mechanic; just some bloke who hangs around in the garage. Weird. 😉

Matchstick
Matchstick
4 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

Heh 🙂

Spent vast majority of my childhood round St Austell & Par and both my parents and parents in law still live down there so the description of the garage sounds strangely familiar 🙂

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@dhag

I’d say in this case the difference between an anti-feminist and a self-declared feminist in this case is that the anti-feminist says “women should stay in the kitchen”, while the self-declared feminist says “how dare women complain about being stuck in the kitchen when some muslim women have it even worse”.

I have to disagree. I would say anyone who takes action that is counter to feminist goals is anti-feminist. Dawkins is currently being very anti-feminist on Twitter even though he’s a self-declared feminist.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ matchstick

Yeah, they should call it “Dreckly Servicing”!

One of my favourite Cornish experiences (and you’ll appreciate this because you can imagine the accent) was when a bloke in the pub suddenly asked:

” ‘Ere, what’s that word where you’re racist against gays?”

Monzach
Monzach
4 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

Oo arr, mah lovarr. 😀

I have a huge amount of love for the West Country region and the accent in particular.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@kupo

That was my snarky way of saying there’s no difference between an anti-feminist and Dawkins, despite the fact that he’s a self-declared feminist.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ monzach

Right on; proper job! 🙂

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
4 years ago

Honestly, David, I don’t know how you tolerate this nonsense as much as you do. That said, I’m also thankful for it – because I couldn’t without losing my mind. Even dealing with assholes occasionally on Facebook stresses me out…

I also noticed that the one and only Sargon of Akkad proclaimed you were “defending” Dawah Man despite the fact, prior to and after the correction, you simply stated that it came off as a racist stereotype with a “funny” accent. Most of the people who accuse you of supposedly lying quite obviously don’t read your posts, as much as hear about it from someone else and then presumptuously demonize you regardless of what you actually wrote.

The weird part being that, oftentimes, you are simply quoting what someone else said and linking said statement – which is more than I see from most other Manosphereans. They’ll just pull any random quote (usually from someone I don’t know at all) out of their ass and become indignant when you don’t just accept it, right then and there.

dust bunny
dust bunny
4 years ago

@ katz

I mean, I’d love it if this is what they meant, but I just don’t see it in the rule as written. There’s nothing here about female agency. The woman doesn’t have the option to not be with the man. According to this rule, women aren’t trophies to be won — they’re entitlements you have by right.

Maybe I’m just too cynical? The violence rule is definitely good. But overall, knowing who made it, this could also be interpreted as MRA wish fulfillment wanting to be entitled to everything. I’m a nice guy, so I deserve to be a high-powered executive and get female attention and be regarded as a good dad even if my wife does all the actual work.

Are Philip Zimbardo and Nikita Coulombe rabid MRAs or antifeminists? A brief googling comes up with an article on the McGyver test by Coulombe on AVFM (which I admittedly did not read more than 3 paragraphs of), but knowing AVFM, it may just be a repost of her text somewhere else, which she may (or may not) have given a permission to do without knowing what kind of site AVFM is.

I’m asking because some of the meninists do seem to have a sincere desire to find a more “positive masculinity”, and reject a feminist framework mainly because it’s too extreme and because of poor relations between the right and the left. Of course they won’t be any less sexist if they succeed, but if they can do something about the culture of violence and the assumption that women should be primary caregivers among lower ses men*, a goal which this test would seemingly support, that would be a positive development for feminism and everyone.

Those guys are never ever ever ever going to listen to feminists anyway. They’re permanently and forever lost to us and will only ever be influenced by feminism when it’s so indirect they can’t tell it’s feminism, and this isn’t going to go away with generations either. If the test is something separate from incitement to violence, aggrieved entitlement, rape culture, and other aspects of toxic masculinity, rather than an attempt to whitewash all that, then maybe it isn’t so bad even if it exists in the same space those things do? That’s precisely where it’s needed. Over time it may lead to incremental change toward where we want stuff to be.

* NOT a racist dogwhistle. I can’t come up with terms that would be entirely unpolluted by that shit. Suggestions?

katz
4 years ago

Oh, are they not MRA types? My bad.

dust bunny
dust bunny
4 years ago

@ katz

I honestly don’t know, I’m just being hopeful. If you don’t, either, I guess it remains to be seen.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

@katz @dust bunny

They aren’t open MRAs afaik, but the book seems to fall into the studies of masculinity that blame “lack of male mentors” (especially fatherlessness) for the “crisis of masculinity” they make out. The “crisis of masculinity” narrative, although certainly not totally unfounded, is at least open to laying the blame at the feet of women and all too often doesn’t problematize the way masculinity is presented in a patriarchal society. Most of their points (education, lack of male mentors etc.) are popular talking points of MRAs, and they don’t seem to critically reflect the data supporting this diagnosis.

I’ve just perused through the book on Google Books, but there are some weird chapters about women’s expectations of what men should achieve being shaped through “many women’s version of porn – romantic comedies and erotic novels” (that’s a quote, GB doesn’t show page numbers), or how women should teach “shy men” how to date while meeting through OKCupid or similar.

Edit: they did a reddit AMA, in which they mention their basic premises and arguments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/35b1ye/i_am_psychology_professor_philip_zimbardo_here/

“The other part is fatherlessness. By far, this stands out across all nations as a cause of why young men are failing academically, wiping out socially, and flaming out sexually with women.” This seems highly problematic for me, at least for the fact that they don’t seem to have checked for social status, and seem to think that single mother households are no problem for girls.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

Looking a bit over the AMA, it looks like they are definitely close to MRA discourse. In the AMA you get responses like this from Zimbardo (on why he is interested in masculinity):

“I challenge old notions of masculinity which typically involve dominance and power over women for a new sense of masculinity which involves collaboration, sharing and learning from one another. One of the problems that we have currently is that young women have become the legacy of earlier feminist movements by being v successful in academia, in business and even in sports. So, while I have complained about the demise of too many guys I am celebrating the rise of a great many gals! “

Which is just confusing: the first sentence is totally ok with me. But then feminism and the success of young women is a problem? But you “celebrate” the rise of “gals”?

Or, in the same thread, Nikita Coulombe quoting Warren Farrell:

“However, too often feminists are shutting out the disadvantages and challenges that men are facing, and this is unfair. For example, you don’t see feminists advocating for father’s rights. If you dig deeper into the welfare system, it is shocking how much it encourages the absence of biological fathers. Also, how is it OK that women have the right to join the military, but not the responsibility to fight if there were a draft? The answer is, it’s not ok, it is sexist, or as Warren Farrell would say, it’s reverse sexism.”

link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/35b1ye/i_am_psychology_professor_philip_zimbardo_here/cr2qtb7

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 years ago

Farherlessness is typically blamed on women, so I usually side eye anyone who says it’s the root of all problems.

Since there is a class component involved, they’re also essentially arguing that the patriarchy is the fault of lower income people. As if middle and upper class men aren’t ever misogynistic.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

The Stanford torture porn prison experiment guy is an MRA? … I don’t think I’ve ever been less surprised in my life.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
4 years ago

@wwth

That’s a big red flag for me, too. Especially when “fatherlessness” is employed without a subject, as if fathers just mysteriously disappeared or as if it were always the decision of single mothers to raise a kid on their own.

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@dhag
My apologies. Sometimes snark goes over my head. 🙂

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

how women should teach “shy men” how to date while meeting through OKCupid or similar.

Ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ewewewewewewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

dhag85
dhag85
4 years ago

@kupo

No worries. 🙂

Orion
Orion
4 years ago

If these supposedly “shy” men are meeting up with women from OKCupid, evidence suggests that they already know how to date.

dust bunny
dust bunny
4 years ago

@ Bernardo Soares

Okay, that’s pretty definitive. I expected they would be gross, you have to be or you’re not communicating to MRAs and MRA-adjacent groups in language they understand. But these guys are clearly feeding the resentment, not engaging in any sort of constructive effort. I regret my insufficient cynicism.

Thank you for your research efforts.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
4 years ago

It really is disappointing to know Zimbardo is an MRA, or at least an MRA-lite. You’d think with something like the Stanford Prison Experiment – he’d be more aware of how actual power structures work and their negative effects, especially patriarchy.

Then again, as Richard Dawkins or Ben Carson prove, being knowledgeable or skilled in one field or another doesn’t make one enlightened.

“One of the problems that we have currently is that young women have become the legacy of earlier feminist movements by being v successful in academia, in business and even in sports. So, while I have complained about the demise of too many guys I am celebrating the rise of a great many gals!“

Goddamn, that last sentence just drips of insincerity…

It’s like how, in South Park, they’ll spend an entire episode dismissing the usefulness of hybrid cars (because…some people are smug about it…?) and then end by doing a convenient 180-degree turn around to act otherwise – while still attaching the insipid advice of “just don’t be smug about it!”

Um, yeah, that doesn’t take away from the fact you just spent mocking the existence of hybrids purely because some drivers are smug about it. Which, as far as complaints go, is really petty and completely besides the point.

“The other part is fatherlessness. By far, this stands out across all nations as a cause of why young men are failing academically, wiping out socially, and flaming out sexually with women.”

Oh boy, that ‘ol chestnut!

So, yeah, put the onus on single mothers who do their damnedest to raise a kid by themselves – oftentimes without the child support payments expected by the father of their child – and act like it’s all their fault…’cause it isn’t like things such as social class or race ever come into it.

Or, y’know, the fact the person who sired the child doesn’t want to contribute to raising them. You’d think that’d be the obvious culprit of fatherlessness, not the women who had their child and spends most of the time fucking raising them.

Tessa
Tessa
4 years ago

Bernardo Soares:

Or, in the same thread, Nikita Coulombe quoting Warren Farrell:

Also, how is it OK that women have the right to join the military, but not the responsibility to fight if there were a draft? The answer is, it’s not ok, it is sexist, or as Warren Farrell would say, it’s reverse sexism.”

And if she’d done any research on this, she’d know the answer! It’s not “reverse sexism” it’s sexism against women. And thanks to feminists, they’re already talking this week about when women will be added to selective service registration! So congrats MRAs! Feminists will soon have solved one of your problems!

Seems like feminists do more for men’s rights than MRAs.

Tracy
Tracy
4 years ago

“The other part is fatherlessness. By far, this stands out across all nations as a cause of why young men are failing academically, wiping out socially, and flaming out sexually with women.”

This chaps my hide as well. In addition to what others have already said (class, poverty, available support networks etc), it’s also spoken about as if only male children are in single-mother households, or as if having no father in your life only affects male children somehow. As if young men can’t learn how to become good people unless they have an older man in their life? My husband , and many other men I know, contradict this.

guy
guy
4 years ago

I’m not particularly fond of applying the Bechdel test on a work-by-work basis. There’s a variety of entirely valid reasons for a given work to fail it, because it’s specifically measuring whether there are two named female characters who have an onscreen conversation not about a man. Obviously, any work that only has one speaking character fails. Likewise, any work strictly locked onto a single male character’s viewpoint is fairly likely to fail. And I watched The Martian recently, and I think it fails (possibly depending on how you count group conversations) because there is one man stranded on Mars and virtually all the dialogue in the entire movie is about that fact.

The factor of actual interest is the count of works that fail the Bechdel test vs. the count that fail the reverse Bechdel test: There are at least two named male characters who have a conversation about something other than a woman. And yes, there are things that fail that one and not by the trivial exercise of not having more than three gendered characters and failing one of the two by default. Not very many, but they exist.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Correction

About 35 guys showed up at each of his two talks in Canada. Somehow I don’t think that Roosh could have financed his worldwide tour (on which Canada was a stop) by giving lectures to 70 guys in each country. Also, there are his day-to-day living expenses when he’s not on tour. How could his income from his books and his tours keep him financially afloat! (Bang, his biggest seller on Amazon, sold 985 copies on that website.) He doesn’t appear to have a job either, so Mommy and Daddy must send him money.

I have to correct what I said way back on p. 2. Bang did not sell 985 copies on Amazon. It had 985 reviews, which is a very respectable number of reviews. And as of today, the book has 993 reviews.

That said, I still don’t think Roosh makes a living from his books and lectures. His talks are poorly attended (35 or so guys at his Canadian talks this summer). And I don’t know how many books he sells from Amazon, his own website, and any other venues, but I do know is that it’s extremely difficult for any author to make a living from books:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/sep/15/income-for-us-authors-falls-below-federal-poverty-line-survey

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jan/17/writers-earn-less-than-600-a-year (That’s 600 pounds, which is $874.95 in US dollars.)

Back to the reviews of Bang: Of the 993 reviews (that’s a gratifying number for an author), 35 percent are 1-star reviews (that’s an unsettling number for an author).

Here’s an excerpt from a 1-star review by P.G. (January 15, 2016):

Now I am for a book that teaches a guy who has trouble talking to girls to have confidence and know how to build honest rapport. But his writing is off-putting, I like to do good and do not want to write anything bad for someone that does not deserve it but, this guy seems to have some really hurtful beliefs that should not be endorsed.

I researched he said in his Blog he knows how to stop rape and that is to “MAKE RAPE LEGAL IF DONE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY”. WHHHHHHAAAAAATTTTTT, are you kidding me that is RIDICULOUS.

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Tessa | February 3, 2016 at 3:57 am
And if she’d done any research on this, she’d know the answer! It’s not “reverse sexism” it’s sexism against women. And thanks to feminists, they’re already talking this week about when women will be added to selective service registration! So congrats MRAs! Feminists will soon have solved one of your problems!

Seems like feminists do more for men’s rights than MRAs.

But, Tessa! Us widdle feeemales aren’t fit for combat because we’re naturally weaker than men! And we’re distracting because boobs! So this is a problem of us mean ol’ femicommunists trying to make us women more powerful than we really are and trying to distract the MAYUNLY MENFOLK while they’re off doing MAYNLY MENFOLK THINGS like fighting in wars to impress us feeemales!

[/HEAVY sarcasm]