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Why do women work when they could just be living off some dude, confused MGTOW wonders

Well that's no way to find a husband!
Well that’s no way to find a husband!

Over in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one recent convert to the MGTOW philosophy admits that there is one thing about the females that’s really baffling.

Namely, why do any of them work, when they could just use their magic hoo-has to snag some poor dude and live off of him, lying on the couch watching Jerry Springer amidst a pile of bon-bon wrappers?

[H]ow does MGTOW explain working women? Why do women work low or pseudo status positions for employers that are primarily public facing? I feel like the women who work at Waffle House / Starbucks / whatever probably have a more consistently stressful time of things than I do working a STEM job, they’re paid less, and they’re burning SMV time working a plebian job.

Why do women work low and pseudo status positions like these? How does MGTOW explain women who opt in to these arrangements when they could likely bf/marry/B.D.Govt their way to a less stressful life? 

In case you’re not intimately familiar with misogyny-speak, SMV stands for “Sexual Market Value,” which, these dudes believe, starts declining for women after they hit the ripe old age of 25 or so and start getting all old and ugly. And “B.D.Govt” means “Big Daddy Government,” always ready to help a girl out with some of that sweet, sweet welfare cash.

Happily, the subreddit’s regulars are more than willing to mansplain the puzzling fact of women having jobs.

A fellow called NormanDaNubcaek has a whole long list of reasons.

-They may have squandered their childhood/teen years, already putting them at a disadvantage to serious students

-They don’t want to put in the initial effort getting the proper training (Think instant vs delayed gratification)

-STEM actually requires critical thinking skills

-The job, while perhaps stressful, is regular and simple (more repetitive work vs less work that is more complex)

-Their jobs already have a lot of women, so they just join the pack, or other women recommend them to join

-They already have massive debt from a garbage degree and can’t afford to go back to school

-They used to be supported by a man, but now have to earn their own living until the next guy comes around.

Lostapwbm has a somewhat more detailed explanation, and one that is slightly more rooted in consensus reality, if not always in the rules of grammar.

“Poor women have always had to work,” he writes.

Housewife is typically a role that only the wife of a successful or frugal man, and feminism is a vanity project of rich white women.

So why can’t these Starbucks ladies “bf/marry their way out” of the working world? First, he explains, there’s the problem of man-access.

[T]hey don’t have access to a man of sufficiently higher economic status that she can go from working woman to housewife/lady of the house.

And then of course there is the problem of these women being such stuck up snooty you-know-whats that they can’t appreciate the perfectly decent men right there under their nose ISN’T THAT RIGHT KIMBERLY SOME DAY YOU’LL REALIZE I WAS THERE ALL ALONG WE WERE MEANT TO BE oh whoops.

A lot of women aren’t attracted to the type of man who would lift her out of her lower economic status. He’s boring/lame/has no game. He just wants to move up his job, pay his bills, and basically live a drama-free life.

Well, ok, but what about living off of Big Daddy G?

Women dependent on the government (B.D. Govt as you put it) are in that category of drama-lovers. Three kids by two guys, ex-boyfriends are drug addicts/dealers, whatever you prefer, but the takeaway is these women don’t want a less stressful life because they emotionally feed on that drama.

Wordjedi agrees that these Starbucks baristas are a bunch of stuck up rom-com lovers holding out for some imaginary perfect dude but ha ha the joke’s on them — if they sleep with too many Mr. Right-Nows while waiting for Mr. Right, they’ll get so burned out on dick that something something cats box of wine.

Yeah, I’m having a little trouble summarizing this one. You try:

Remember that women still flock to romcom movies in droves. They still really think mating is equal, that two people who were meant to be together tritely run together through a meadow and embrace.

Until she finds her perfect six figure hunk, a girl’s gotta have some random stiff dick in her now and then, right? Especially when she’s had a few drinks so has an excuse not to give a fuck? ====> hookup culture.

Unfortunately, people give less and less of an (emotional) fuck for each random hookup. Bye bye, perfect romance. She’s bored with dick by the time she meets him, if she ever does. ====> box wine + cats + Starbucks barista 4-evah

The explanaiton proffered by good_man_gone is if anything even less cogent. He starts out by suggesting that any women you see working just weren’t pretty enough to score themselves the high-quality beta bux.

“I never in my life have seen a perfect ten flipping burgers for 7$ /hour,” he declares, with an almost audible wink.

But then he goes on to suggest that almost any gal — even those who are perhaps not that pretty — can find a man dumb enough to marry her up or at least buy her a couple of drinks at closing time amirite fellas?

And still there is plenty of guys out there who will happily marry the 3s or 4s and give them money. Smv is key here. Better looks = more free stuff and money. But fugly chicks get free drinks too you know.

I have to admit I was guilty of that in the past. You know when the pub is about to close and u are hammered and suddenly your brain tells you “go ahead buy her a drink, yeah the fat small chick over there do it”

I guess the real lesson here is to never ask MGTOWs for an explanation of anything.

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dhag85
8 years ago

@Walter

Yeah. You are some kind of nazi or something.

dhag85
8 years ago

McMansions

:p

ej
ej
8 years ago

I would love to see you share this theory at the RedPill forums, where they have an entire cult dedicated to declaring themselves the Prize (despite the fact that they’re objectively useless, whiny, rapey, and ignorant). Let us know how that goes. I’ll bring popcorn.

I was actually wondering if anyone was taking notes. I feel like this scenario could make an interesting dystopian novel (though, as a non-penised person, I don’t think I’d be the best author for it).

Seeing the manosphere’s reaction to this could be entertaining as well.

http://media.tumblr.com/7d68d18a7fc48fa81106906ec01d0012/tumblr_inline_mmet7zajbG1qz4rgp.gif

rugbyyogi
8 years ago

@Walter – this is fantastic.

A couple of questions:

1) I’ve just read that most men don’t know what their terminal size will be until the end of puberty and body growth – for some some that may be 21 or even later. I have a son – but he is still too young for me to know whether he’ll have big’un or a small’un – under this system wouldn’t I be in danger of over- or under-investing in my son’s future?

2) My estranged spouse is a Big under your system. He is abusive and we’ve had to split. Now obviously in the real world this means we both have to spend money on housing. But in your system what would be the distribution of property and wouldn’t this make it harder for women to leave abusive marriages to Bigs?

Walter
Walter
8 years ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpant

Women would have the same rights as Bigs, just without the stipend. They would be totally free and able to live however they want.

dhag85

I am in no way a nazi.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 years ago

@dhag85 – RP field reports are my favoritest of Mary Sue erotic fan fiction. I can’t get enough of them. I love the stupid acronyms and jargon, the stilted dialogue, the ratings of attractiveness to four decimal places of precision (“HB6.725”), and the way the competing male gets thoroughly described, from his bulging biceps to the chest hair peeking out of his popped-collar polo shirt, while the girl barely merits a passing acronym. There’s always a perfect “thathappened” fairy-tale ending, where the girl gets her comeuppance, and the guy walks away having leveled up +3 SMVs. I love the grandstanding that goes on in those field reports. They’re lifted straight out of an ’80s teen movie.

Someone at Blue Pill nailed it the other day: certain women dress for other women, and certain men fuck for other men.

dhag85
8 years ago

@Walter

Non-nazis don’t reflexively yell “I’m not a nazi!” when their ideas are accurately quoted and questioned.

Walter
Walter
8 years ago

rugbyyogi

Yes that would be a danger.

I don’t think marriage would exist in this society.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
8 years ago

RP field reports are my favoritest of Mary Sue erotic fan fiction.

That’s a thing?! How do I find it?

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
8 years ago

A society organized by penis size. Wow.

So tell me, would the Bigs and the Smalls get different badges or patches for their clothing to indicate their status? Would there be a further distinction between “growers” and “showers”? Why focus on length rather than circumference?

dhag85
8 years ago

@rugbyyogi

That doesn’t make any sense. Walter already explained that Bigs can’t do wrong. /s

Miss Andry
8 years ago

I have no idea what’s happening. So much talk of dicks one might think they wandered onto the Red Pill subreddit. 😛

ej
ej
8 years ago

Women would have the same rights as Bigs, just without the stipend. They would be totally free and able to live however they want.

But they really couldn’t live freely, could they? As I have already said, without the stipend (and assigned housing), women would be at a disadvantage. They can’t live however they want because they have to work to earn money to support themselves. They may have all the same rights as men with large penises, but they don’t have the same opportunities.

rugbyyogi
8 years ago

@dhag – I was wondering if my question was just illogical. It’s probably because I was only born with erectile flesh the size of clitoris.

But it sill leaves me with Q1

sevenofmine
8 years ago

Women would have the same rights as Bigs, just without the stipend. They would be totally free and able to live however they want.

You seem to be working with a definition of “same” of which I have heretofore been unaware.

dhag85
8 years ago

@rugbyyogi

As for your Q1, since Bigs are, allegedly, natural leaders and inherently better at decision making than Smalls, you should be able to predict their future penis size based on their behavior.

rugbyyogi
8 years ago

Seriously though – Walter you’re not the first person to ever come up with the idea that if people just knew their place, all problems would be solved. It didn’t work in feudal times and the cockocracy won’t be stable either. Though to be fair to you , penis size is not a much more ridiculous criteria than many of the other stratisfiers people have used.

But let’s say for a moment that you really do genuinely feel unworthy because of your penis size, I can’t tell if this is true or not. But if it really is so, that makes me very sad that you measure your own worth in that way.

And much to my shame, it also makes me curious as to how big your penis is. :-/

Dodom
Dodom
8 years ago

Out of topic: a new MRA comic just appeared on Comic Fury! It has all the stereotypes, way more words than needed, characters based on previous memes instead of actual people, and TumblrInAction language. (Ever noticed that they’ve sort of evolved their “SJW language” between themselves and are now parodising something they forgot inventing? That’s kind of impressive!)

http://virtuesignals.the-comic.org/

bekabot
bekabot
8 years ago

RP field reports are my favoritest of Mary Sue erotic fan fiction. I can’t get enough of them.

I used to be into those too, but over the years the fascination waned. Here’s hoping yours will hold steady for a long time yet to come {raises early Sunday-morning cocktail}

Dodom
Dodom
8 years ago

Oh, I just came back to ask David if my previous post can be deleted. I thought about it again and I don’t think it’s wise to link to material by a potential gamergater when we share a platform I actually invested into and I’m not specially anonymous.

Tovius
Tovius
8 years ago

Ack! I wake up this morning only to find that I summoned Walter. Sorry, guys!

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
8 years ago

I’m the one that mentioned Walter’s name first. I’ll go sit in the time-out corner.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/dbarsne/sorry.jpg

This particular phrase of Walter brought out the snickering middle schooler in me:

this society will be focused on penises and how they relate to and interact with each other

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

Dammit Tovius!

Lol, jk. I’m entertained by the imaginary politics of peen.

kupo
kupo
8 years ago

Walter, I need some clarification on the “size” thing. IIRC you said previously that it was strictly gold-pressed latinum bone-pressed erect size, which I assume by “size” we’re talking the length and not the circumference. Now, what’s the logical basis for length being preferred and all other measurements being thrown out? TMI alert: I’ve been with long and skinny, short and wide, long and wide, and average length and wide. I disliked all experiences with long members because it hurts when they go up against my cervix. So clearly the typical notion that longer penises are more pleasurable and thus result in more offspring is not universally applicable (I have heard from some women that they enjoy it when the cervix gets involved, but have heard the opposite far more). So then, why is length so important, if not sexual pleasure? Why not circumference? Why not volume? Why not scrotum size? Why not volume of testosterone produced? Why not prostate gland size? And that’s just the typically male-associated traits. There are so many other arbitrary stats we could look at. We might even be able to find an unmistakable correlation between, say, renal size and leadership ability. What would you do in that case?

Also,

When you let people with small penises run around and act like full members of society on par with people with big penises, then the men’s rights movement is the natural result.

You can fuck right off with this bullshit.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

What if a millionaire woman marries an under 4 incher? Will she have to live in the sewer with her husband or will he be allowed to move into her mansion even though only bigs are supposed to be allowed to dwell in mansions?

I think I have a solution to this. We should develop a boobocracy to go along with the cockocracy. It would work the same way. Large breasted women would get the stipends and job opportunities.

Bigs can only marry each other. Smalls can only marry each other.

I may only be suggesting this because I would most definitely be a super big in a boobocracy.

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