Over in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one recent convert to the MGTOW philosophy admits that there is one thing about the females that’s really baffling.
Namely, why do any of them work, when they could just use their magic hoo-has to snag some poor dude and live off of him, lying on the couch watching Jerry Springer amidst a pile of bon-bon wrappers?
[H]ow does MGTOW explain working women? Why do women work low or pseudo status positions for employers that are primarily public facing? I feel like the women who work at Waffle House / Starbucks / whatever probably have a more consistently stressful time of things than I do working a STEM job, they’re paid less, and they’re burning SMV time working a plebian job.
Why do women work low and pseudo status positions like these? How does MGTOW explain women who opt in to these arrangements when they could likely bf/marry/B.D.Govt their way to a less stressful life?
In case you’re not intimately familiar with misogyny-speak, SMV stands for “Sexual Market Value,” which, these dudes believe, starts declining for women after they hit the ripe old age of 25 or so and start getting all old and ugly. And “B.D.Govt” means “Big Daddy Government,” always ready to help a girl out with some of that sweet, sweet welfare cash.
Happily, the subreddit’s regulars are more than willing to mansplain the puzzling fact of women having jobs.
A fellow called NormanDaNubcaek has a whole long list of reasons.
-They may have squandered their childhood/teen years, already putting them at a disadvantage to serious students
-They don’t want to put in the initial effort getting the proper training (Think instant vs delayed gratification)
-STEM actually requires critical thinking skills
-The job, while perhaps stressful, is regular and simple (more repetitive work vs less work that is more complex)
-Their jobs already have a lot of women, so they just join the pack, or other women recommend them to join
-They already have massive debt from a garbage degree and can’t afford to go back to school
-They used to be supported by a man, but now have to earn their own living until the next guy comes around.
Lostapwbm has a somewhat more detailed explanation, and one that is slightly more rooted in consensus reality, if not always in the rules of grammar.
“Poor women have always had to work,” he writes.
Housewife is typically a role that only the wife of a successful or frugal man, and feminism is a vanity project of rich white women.
So why can’t these Starbucks ladies “bf/marry their way out” of the working world? First, he explains, there’s the problem of man-access.
[T]hey don’t have access to a man of sufficiently higher economic status that she can go from working woman to housewife/lady of the house.
And then of course there is the problem of these women being such stuck up snooty you-know-whats that they can’t appreciate the perfectly decent men right there under their nose ISN’T THAT RIGHT KIMBERLY SOME DAY YOU’LL REALIZE I WAS THERE ALL ALONG WE WERE MEANT TO BE oh whoops.
A lot of women aren’t attracted to the type of man who would lift her out of her lower economic status. He’s boring/lame/has no game. He just wants to move up his job, pay his bills, and basically live a drama-free life.
Well, ok, but what about living off of Big Daddy G?
Women dependent on the government (B.D. Govt as you put it) are in that category of drama-lovers. Three kids by two guys, ex-boyfriends are drug addicts/dealers, whatever you prefer, but the takeaway is these women don’t want a less stressful life because they emotionally feed on that drama.
Wordjedi agrees that these Starbucks baristas are a bunch of stuck up rom-com lovers holding out for some imaginary perfect dude but ha ha the joke’s on them — if they sleep with too many Mr. Right-Nows while waiting for Mr. Right, they’ll get so burned out on dick that something something cats box of wine.
Yeah, I’m having a little trouble summarizing this one. You try:
Remember that women still flock to romcom movies in droves. They still really think mating is equal, that two people who were meant to be together tritely run together through a meadow and embrace.
Until she finds her perfect six figure hunk, a girl’s gotta have some random stiff dick in her now and then, right? Especially when she’s had a few drinks so has an excuse not to give a fuck? ====> hookup culture.
Unfortunately, people give less and less of an (emotional) fuck for each random hookup. Bye bye, perfect romance. She’s bored with dick by the time she meets him, if she ever does. ====> box wine + cats + Starbucks barista 4-evah
The explanaiton proffered by good_man_gone is if anything even less cogent. He starts out by suggesting that any women you see working just weren’t pretty enough to score themselves the high-quality beta bux.
“I never in my life have seen a perfect ten flipping burgers for 7$ /hour,” he declares, with an almost audible wink.
But then he goes on to suggest that almost any gal — even those who are perhaps not that pretty — can find a man dumb enough to marry her up or at least buy her a couple of drinks at closing time amirite fellas?
And still there is plenty of guys out there who will happily marry the 3s or 4s and give them money. Smv is key here. Better looks = more free stuff and money. But fugly chicks get free drinks too you know.
I have to admit I was guilty of that in the past. You know when the pub is about to close and u are hammered and suddenly your brain tells you “go ahead buy her a drink, yeah the fat small chick over there do it”
I guess the real lesson here is to never ask MGTOWs for an explanation of anything.
Perfect projection again. Here’s the “logic”:
– Women can just choose to not work.
– I would not work if I didn’t have to.
– So why do women work?
Of course, nothing is stopping these MGTOWs from getting a rich boyfriend (if it really is so easy), so why do MGTOWs choose to work?
David Futrelle,
One wonders why people who have sworn off women, are so obsessed with them.
New theory: MGTOWs are actually aliens. This would explain why human behavior is so incomprehensible to them.
That Man Going His Own Way should probably keep going till he winds up in some remote valley in northern Nepal where no-one has to listen to his disconnected ravings. All the women I know and have ever known work. It’s called economic reality. As for women in STEM. This is something we need to address, and are addressing because that world is rife with prejudice, sometimes called ‘essentialism’.
That’s funny. I work two ‘pleb’ jobs to fund my advanced education in STEM field.
@Critical Dragon
I was wondering that myself. If they’re going their own way–why haven’t they gone already?
It never occurred to any of these guys that the women working as servers at the Waffle House or baristas at Starbucks could be college students, retirees earning extra income to supplement their Social Security, or working moms with deadbeat exes, did it?
@dhag85
I was wondering the exact same thing.
No, really: If they think looking good and having sex with someone you’re not the least bit attracted to is such a non-issue, and iw better than working, why don’t they do that? They claim to have sworn off sexual and romantic relationships (at least with women), so they can’t possibly be saving themselves for a future monogamous relationship, can they?
They can shave their beards, glue on some fake lashes, put on heels and hit the club – I only feel bad for any men they would target.
OT David but have you checked out Janet Bloomfield’s Twitter feed? She’s been going on anti-refugee tirades and promoting Donald Trump. Oh and using the hashtag #FeminismIsCancer.
It’s not nearly as much fun unless you beg them to come back, I’d guess. For as much as they complain about women loving drama, they seem to want a ton of it in their own lives.
Looking through your postings here, David, the hatred of women is so vicious, widespread, and shocking. Thanks for presenting it from a satirical distance, but still managing to publicize it. You are performing an important public service.
“my STEM job”
Why do I get the funny feeling he means “tech support”?
So, I guess there’s an endless supply of upper middle class men for working class women to marry? Of course, when a woman does go for a man from a higher socioeconomic class, the manosphere complains about hypergamy depriving lower status men of their god-given right to own a vagina. Goodness, it’s as if it’s all rigged so that women always lose!
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The irony is, these guys are the worst critical thinkers the world has ever known. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t’ve asked the question because the real answers are so simple.
My best friend has 4 children by 3 different men. She also has multiple degrees ranging from fine arts to pre-med. She has a successful midwifery practice that, if she chose to take the patient load, would earn her a pretty penny.
She’s also my ex-wife.
That sound you just heard was manurespherian heads exploding.
Because they have bills to pay and some have mouths to feed… I mean it’s really not that difficult to understand, right?
That’s what simple, real world logic is telling me.
The most amusing aspect of the MGTOW “movement” is that these losers think/pretend that they’re single by choice.
Guess what, boys — no self-respecting woman would touch your whiny, entitled misogynist asses with a ten-foot pole.
@Miss Andry,
JB’s just butthurt over the fact she recently got to appear on an episode of ‘Doctors’, but they didn’t air her segment at the last moment. You’d think they’d check out her blog and twitter feed before bothering to fly her over?
She’s been supporting Trump for ages, he’s the bigot’s choice it would seem, Matt Forney’s backing him too.
This MGTOW gets so near and yet so far; he’s registered that women work, and therefore the MGTOW gospel that all women are idle parasites might be incorrect; but then his fellow MGTOWs steer him back to the path of bullshit.
@Miss Andry
JB endorsed Trump a long time ago. I’m gonna go check her twitter now though.
No, because if there are women that have a legitimate reason to be working, these guys wouldn’t have a reason to hatefully talk down to them. Therefore, those kinds of women must not exist.
If there was a phrase on the gateway into MGTOW Land, it would be “Confirmation Bias: It’s good enough.”
I have NEVER met a woman that would fit the regular descriptions that this charming bunch of fuckwits trot out.
But apparently ALL women are like this! Like ALL women are heterosexual, want children, behave like children, blah blah blah. What these blokes persistently miss is that we are actually varied PEOPLE, not identikit morons. We don’t all like romcoms, do ‘garbage degrees’ (ie any degree that isn’t STEM orientated) or want to find a rich man, or only work because we cannot find a sucker to ‘take us on’.
Just the other day my sons friend had a b’day. His gf of 3 months, who is a student (history and classics!) and works in a patisserie has given him a weeks holiday in Rome in June.
But I guess she is just softening him up for later abuse, financial and emotional, because that is ALL ALL women want to do!
‘Something something cats box of wine’ you just made my day, Dave. Or described it. Either one.
After reading their attempts at logical thinking, I need more bon bons.
They really wish the state of romance and sex was as dismal for the rest of the world as it is for them.
People are still falling in love. People are still having sex. Yes, even fat people, poor people and old people. Love and sex are not things only the young, thin and rich get to have in their lives. Nobody is guaranteed either. That seems to be what infuriates these creeps. They want to believe everyone is as selfish, foolish and shallow as they are because then they feel excused for being such assholes.
Boxed wine and cats sounds awesome, btw. Maybe if he’d get a little boxed wine and a cat he wouldnt be such a gloomy Gus.
Maybe it would occur to them that women can like cats, casual sex, true love stories and their careers. It is so strange that they think the same people who like to pick up people in bars don’t also like to fall in love. Its like how they assume women have threesomes and share nudes because they feel forced to, rather than because those women find it fun. Do these men comprehend fun?
Being stuck with an asshole for life is not a good time. Everything you can do without being stuck with an asshole is pure joy comparatively.