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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

sharkethics

Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

dawktakeback

NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

As a progressive I want all of the following things

Access to affordable healthcare for everyone that includes abortion, birth control, any procedure or treatment a trans person needs to live as their gender, and mental health coverage

– Affordable if not free higher education

– Affirmative consent

– Freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

– LGBT as a protected class so that all forms of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity are outlawed

– Living wage

– Labor laws that allow unions to thrive

– Environmental and food safety protections

– Clean energy

– Progressive tax laws so that the rich pay the most while the poor pay the least

– Publicly funded elections

– Net neutrality

Not a comprehensive list or anything, but those are the basics.

i support all of these things too.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

https://twitter.com/SkepticFeminist/status/698026960396484608

The Skeptic Feminist say the regressive left is real.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

I wonder if it’s possible to trick this dumbfuck into throwing his own computer out the window and duct taping his own hands together.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

did you read what the skeptic feminist said about the regressive left?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

… TW for that Skeptic Feminist person’s Twitter account. The header image and first few tweets alone are full of transphobia, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism and Sargon Of Akkad.

(Though is anybody fucking surprised at this point?)

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

the skeptic feminist is not a person it is a group of 3 people. 2 women and 1 man. They say they are inter sectional feminists

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

also i don’t see any transphobia, islamophobia or antisemitism from them.

what did they say that was transphobic, islamophobic or antisemitic?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

did you read what the skeptic feminist said about the regressive left?

This had better be the setup to the best joke of all time.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

So, you decided to just ignore my point entirely then, huh? Instead of engaging with what’s being said, you just want to keep piling on “evidence”, as if your points are anything more than “see what other people believes me? You should to!”

You’re incapable of examining an idea critically, or engaging with anyone who disagrees with you. Your response to criticism of your points has been to ignore, and then to double down. You’re not here to talk, you’re here to bluster.

Back to the animated gifs for replies then.

http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw4412-918.gif

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

did you read what the skeptic feminist said about the regressive left?

I tried to, but it was backwards.

Paradoxical Intention
8 years ago

orange tango drinker | February 12, 2016 at 9:13 am
also i don’t see any transphobia, islamophobia or antisemitism from them.

what did they say that was transphobic, islamophobic or antisemitic?

“I didn’t see it, so it needs to be pointed out to me, as I am obviously an expert on these things, and would know if someone were being a bigot!”

What, like every other person you’ve tried to reccomend to us and we proved to be bigots???

I’m gonna have to bust out the RvB gifs for this one too.

http://i.imgur.com/L0xgtom.gif

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
8 years ago

Has this become the longest comment section on this site yet?

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

More trolls to dissect? Maybe that is what I should blog about. I need to simplify what they do into simpler forms to describe.

(How do I embed images and videos?)

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

Oh hey, are we still doing this?

Maybe David should rethink the whole cats-as-mods idea. I’m not saying that the mods aren’t cute as heck. Just that cats don’t have a work ethic.

Paradoxical Intention
8 years ago

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite | February 12, 2016 at 8:10 pm
More trolls to dissect? Maybe that is what I should blog about. I need to simplify what they do into simpler forms to describe.

(How do I embed images and videos?)

You just simply copypasta the link into the post verbatim. No tags needed!

For images, you need to make sure they end in a proper .jpg or .png or .gif, and most YouTube videos embed automagically.

Though if you want to do it with HTML, W3Schools is your best bet to learn how.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
8 years ago

Ah, OTD enjoyed Religulous. I’m glad to have my decision to never watch it confirmed as the right one by such an impeccable source.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

I’ve seen, like, five minutes of Religulous. It’s basically just Maher being nasty to people. I much prefer the Jon Stewart model of political/social comedy.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
8 years ago

Bill Maher is a prentionious asshole because he believe his aethism makes him smarter than people. He also doesn’t believe in vaccines. That alone is enough for me to never listen to that blowhard.

arash
arash
8 years ago

@isidore13

So based on everything arash just said, I’d say that yes, the term ‘regressive left’ is a term used to silence and degrade. Thanks for proving that point, I guess, arash?

i’m not really in favor of silencing, it deprives me of the pleasure of mocking idiocy but degrading, well yes it is.
@Imaginary Petal

Notice how these people who tolerate bigotry when it comes from muslims are NEVER EVER NAMED. They’re just “out there, somewhere”.

you should pay attention when i name them, if you’re not deliberately ignoring them.
actually i can say there is even a newspaper dedicated to them, the guardian.
this paper regularly provided column space to all all kinds of islamists even Bin-Laden(rest in pieces), if a paper did the same about MRA then it would be called MRA supporter, wouldn’t it?!

In fact, people like arash tango will take a quote from Corbyn where he specifically says Daesh are “brutal” and calls their acts “appalling”, as an example of “making excuses”.

Words. They mean things.

logical illiteracy.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moral_equivalence
it’s a damn famous fallacy, and yes people actually draw comparison between “bad” things and and confess both are bad.
why they do that?!”to make a point that one is just as bad as the other or just” or “to claim one isn’t as bad as the other”
he mentioned ISIS crimes and then USA, to show that there is a moral equivalence between a vicious violent islamist group that systematically rapes, kills, imprisons(less frequently!) anyone who opposes it or just “can’t fit in” with what America did in iraq.
that reason is that why it’s a fallacy and why i call him an example of regressive left.

it’s like we are discussing rape and somebody says” hey raping women by men is bad and horrible but don’t ignore men that are killed by women”

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

And they both have the same general typing style, don’t know how to use the shift key, forget spaces after punctuation, drop paragraph breaks in seemingly random places, post during the same short window, claimed to be PoC after being called white, are prone to teal deers and – uniquely – link dumps, are Islamophobic sealions, are pushing the same new right-wing buzzword…

They’re either sockpuppets or long-lost identical twin brothers.

seems you overdid it against my advice.
ok, so it’s against the rules to speculate on mental illness based on what people write, but you can repeatedly speculate on people’s identity and accuse them of having multiple identities for the site based on what they write.
i was under the impression that accusation is not fine:

You’re who this blog is really meant for. The comments too, provided you can participate in a generally constructive manner and can treat those you disagree with here with a certain degree of respect. Snark is fine; attacks and accusations and namecalling, not so much.

anyway seems you are a better source on people’s color and sexual orientation than themselves, you gonna continue to be an idiot psychic?! Good luck with that.

@Scildfreja

I don’t give a damn about “correct usage”, I give a damn about actual usage. As actually used, the term “regressive left” is a minimization and refutation tactic, a thought-terminating code-word for “this person is not worth listening to.”

The only people I’ve seen speak up about the “regressive left” are people who think that progressive ideals are bad, who use “political correctness” as an insult, and who consider the Muslim faith inherently and especially flawed regardless of the behaviour of individual practitioners. Until I see evidence to the contrary I will continue to interpret “regressive left” as a code-word for “progressive left”, because that’s the direction that the evidence currently points to.

Petal brings up an excellent point as well; please answer that before considering a reply to mine. Their point is better than mine.

you’re just projecting your mind, “your experience” doesn’t define actual usage.
since i’m not going to do the same mistake and since there is no statistical information regarding this (to my knowledge) i suggest we google it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=to+my+knolage&oq=to+my+knolage&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i59l2j69i65j69i60.2208j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=regressive+left
as you see most of primary results use the meaning i advocate and yes some use it to bash liberals (which i acknowledged earlier).

arash
arash
8 years ago

i see a bit of exclusionist view here.
because people like dawkins, bill maher, sam harris AND… have some different or stupid ideas then they are not “proper liberals” and if they use a word like “regressive left” it shouldn’t count as liberals or the left using it.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

ok, so it’s against the rules to speculate on mental illness based on what people write, but you can repeatedly speculate on people’s identity and accuse them of having multiple identities for the site based on what they write.
i was under the impression that accusation is not fine:

Mentally ill people are harmed by the stereotype that dangerous or hateful is synonymous with mental illness. People aren’t harmed by being mistaken for a sock.

Also, there’s no rule that regulars have to be nice to trolls.

There’s also never been any rule that you can’t accuse someone of sockpuppeting. Half the time it’s not even a serious accusation I don’t think. More like a way to say we’ve heard all the same arguments a million times before. David just doesn’t want us saying something along the lines of “I bet you’re just spewing rape apologia because you’re a rapist.” Something I actually disagree with because well, the gift of fear. I trust my instincts when I see red flags and I’m perfectly comfortable declaring that someone who is dedicated to rape apologia is probably not safe to be around. But, his blog his rules and I’m digressing.

FWIW, I don’t actually think you and OTD are the same person. But you are both making the same bad argument, which is essentially boils down to “you’re doing feminism wrong if you’re not Islamophobic.”

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

@diaper rash

Gawd.

Look, I woke up with a dozen different strains of the flu and simply can’t be arsed responding to your eminently self-righteous yet witlessly tedious sockery right now, so instead, I’ll make you an offer.

If you leave right now and never come back to this site, I promise that I won’t puke on your shoes.

Deal?

Azne
Azne
8 years ago

@SFHC, I hope you feel better soon!

——-

So it’s really cool that this thread went above 1000 posts, but I’m more than a little disappointed that it was now because of One Tedious Douchecanoe over here. 😛

Thank you to the regulars for taking the time to shred his unresearched assfax though! His favorite examples of people are always so… out of touch? Like his so-called “non-misogynist” MRAs and even now his so-called left-wing examples

Although just wondering, but can someone purporting to be truly, stubbornly (and apparently not maliciously, though I doubt it) oblivious in the way Onerous Tautological Dullard claims to be really exist? Like, can well-meaning people ACTUALLY be this unbelievably obtuse?
Or is it just for show, as in to either attempt to get his ideas accepted unchallenged or be able to call feminists/progressives mean or something?

And if the answer is yes to either, I ask whyyyy?