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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

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Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

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NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

i’d class those people as centre left. They all identify as liberals too.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
8 years ago

Yep.

Helpful Hint:

If you have a controversial position, don’t use Rubin, Maher, and Dawkins as your token liberals.

It will not get you taken very seriously.

At all.

It’s especially unwise to use Dawkins as your token liberal support in the comments of an article where-in Dawkins’ latest foot in mouth episode of purposeful and willful ‘obliviousness’ happens to be featured.

EDIT: WHOA DOUBLE POST BATMAN!?

Do we have a mammoth for this?

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JhhBHD0PDo

Here Dave Rubin talks about a new awakening within the left.

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

In my previous comment I said that when right wingers talk about the “regressive left” they never name names. It would’ve been more correct to say they do name names, but they then never go on to show how these people have made excuses for bigoted behavior by muslims, or anything else of the sort. It’s just “Greenwald is regressive because he doesn’t hate all muslims, SEE?”

Yeah, no.

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

Maher is, by the way, only identifying as “liberal” by pure accident. He’s a science-denier who loves Harris, Dawkins, and fucking RonRand Paul. And he constantly calls trans women “men with tits”. There’s no difference between him and a right winger, other than Maher has decided to be against the Republicans because that’s just what he’s decided for no particular reason.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

Lalo Dagach is another example of a liberal who uses the term.

https://www.youtube.com/c/LaloDagachPodcast

isidore13
isidore13
8 years ago

@petal, yes, both arash and tango, or orange rash as they case may be, point out specific people but then what they point out is always them saying something along the lines of ‘yes, there are bad individuals in these groups just like there are bad individuals in every group’ and somehow this true thing that they are saying makes them not really progressive?

also, isn’t this essentially the same thing as bleeding heart liberal? correct me if I’m wrong about that lol

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

@shitstoat

I’m centre-left. They’re right-wingers who know that claiming to be liberal gets them Token Friend™ points from their followers. Which you’ve clearly fallen for, hook, line and sinker. Because you’re the stupidest fucking moron on this site.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

no not me. I said Denis MacShane is a regressive because he didn’t address the issue of child abuse by muslim men in his constituency because they were muslim and he admitted it. I didn’t give reasons for the other people I listed but I am happy to.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
8 years ago

What I find most ironic is that I’m actually ever so slightly center-right, and these center-left folks that OTD is throwing out there are right of me.

How can right of right be left, again?

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

also, isn’t this essentially the same thing as bleeding heart liberal? correct me if I’m wrong about that lol

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WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

Bill Maher, the man who said that men can’t be raped and male victims are just lucky to have gotten laid? That Bill Maher?

Right. He’s a true progressive hero. Sure.

Why would an MRA be a Maher fan? Oh right. Because he’s become an Islamophobic Dawkins clone and because he’s sexist and transphobic. He actually fits in perfectly with MRM.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
8 years ago

Um, Kat?

What exactly does Bernie smoking Clinton have anything to do with OTD’s obsession with defending Dawkins?

I’m confused.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

No I prefer Bernie to Clinton. I like what he says about healthcare. I don’t know much about his other positions, I’m in the UK.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

@OTD,

Bernie plans on breaking up the big banks, providing single payer health care, fighting institutional racism, bringing about pay equality, and paying for government by taxing the rich and imposing a tax on wall street speculation markets.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

Bill Maher, the man who said that men can’t be raped and male victims are just lucky to have gotten laid? That Bill Maher?

I didn’t know he said that. If thats what he thinks then he is a scumbag. I wasn’t really a fan of his anyway though. I saw his film religulous years ago and liked it, but I don’t watch his show apart from some clips i’ve seen on youtube.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
8 years ago

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Religulous was a ridiculously biased hit piece. It came out when I was deep into my anthitheism, and even then I thought it was awful. It’s what introduced me to Bill Maher, and I’ve never been impressed.

He’s a mean-hearted, venomous troglodyte who only holds correct opinions when they let him feel superior to other people.

Paradoxical Intention
8 years ago

Wow, you really need to learn some research skills before you go defending people or using them as examples to prove your points, OTD.

Also calling for this d00d to be banned. I’m really tired of seeing this thread pop up again and again only for it to be this JAQ’ing off and sealioning.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

Someone on this thread said that Dave Rubin doesn’t count as a liberal because he is friends with Milo Yiannopolous. Don’t you guys have any right wing friends? It does seem to be true that left wingers are far more likely to drop someone as a friend over a difference in political opinions. Dave Rubin discussed on his show a survey or study that showed that to be true.

Dave Rubin has said that since he broke away from being a progressive and started calling out the regressive left, many of his friends won’t talk to him anymore, people he was good friends with up until 6-8 months ago won’t talk to him and I feel sad for him about that. It seems like he has fallen out with all the TYT group since changing his views and that is sad because they all seemed like such good friends.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

Wow, you really need to learn some research skills before you go defending people or using them as examples to prove your points, OTD.

I never defended Bill Maher I just used him as an example of liberal who used that term. I don’t know much about him but I know he calls himself a liberal and I assumed other people thought of him as a liberal too.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

Don’t you guys have any right wing friends?

Why would I be friends with a bigot who wants me dead?

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Scildfreja
OTD is a right winger. Bernie Sanders is a dark horse, come-from-behind contender, potentially the first democratic socialist president of the USA. If this occurs, it will be quite a departure from business as usual.

And if he loses, it won’t mean that he and his supporters disappear. Quite the contrary. The situation of the USA–not to mention the planet–is much too dire, not to mention full of beautiful promise, for that.

The right wing, including OTD, have only themselves to blame for the rise of Bernie Sanders.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

I’m not a right winger, I have only ever voted Labour.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

Don’t you guys have any right wing friends?

I am extremely familiar with right wingers, having lived with them for many years.

I know how they think. I know how they rationalize.

You, OTD, are no shock to me. You’re not even more persistent or vocal than other right wingers I know.

Nah, it’s all the same old, same old: fear & smear.

PS: Yeah, you voted for Labour. I’ve heard way, way more convoluted–seemingly contradictory!–arguments than you’ve come up with.

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