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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

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Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

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NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

Yeah, because calling refugees “invaders” and referring to Germany as a “Muslim garbage dump” isn’t racist at all.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
8 years ago

… and Pegida are so completely not-racist that they totally haven’t made a habit of threatening and attacking refugees in Germany. Or committing arson against refugee centres.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

Did Tommy Robinson say that?

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

… and Pegida are so completely not-racist that they totally haven’t made a habit of threatening and attacking refugees in Germany. Or committing arson against refugee centres.

has any of that ever been proven that people from Pegida were doing these attacks or do people just assume it must be them because they are a popular anti islam group?

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

I’ve emailed David, requesting to get the racist troll banned.

Makroth
Makroth
8 years ago

Will you stop focusing on Tommy!?

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

No wonder only about 10 main people ever comment on this famous popular website.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

I’d like to apologise to everyone for this. I feel that it’s my fault.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

Well, heck, this thread is so far off the tracks, it’s like a scene from “Amok Train”. More specifically, it’s like the scene where two people are floating down a river in a little boat and the train comes roaring out of nowhere and runs them over.

http://i.imgur.com/fKbOu8D.gif

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

@troll

You name those 10 people, and then you owe me $100 if I can name 30 more?

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

WWTH may have the last laugh after all!

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Wow. I go to sleep for about 8 hours (for a change!) and OTD is still here.

Without even clicking on that link I can tell that “regressive left” means women, people of color, and LGBT people getting all uppity and not sitting down and shutting up when white cishet dudes want to dominate all the discourse on the left and – gasp! – not allowing them to declare themselves completely free of any bigotries simply because they’ve self identified as liberal.

Ellesar
Ellesar
8 years ago

Chances OTD is actually a gay black man?

It doesn’t make your trolling any better anyway – we don’t all roll over because someone is black and/ or gay.

Milo Y is gay and from an ethnic minority. Doesn’t stop him being a complete arse.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

I think he genuinely is a gay black man. It makes sense. After all, his heroes are a woman who hangs around with misogynists and a muslim who hangs around with islamophobes; it makes sense that he’d be attracted to racists in the hope of being their token black guy.

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

Funny how people who use the term “regressive left” have their own version of progressivism which just happens to be identical to right wing extremism.

brooked
brooked
8 years ago

Alan Robertshaw doesn’t want to use his professional knowledge to talk about muslim grooming crews because of the regressives on this comment board who know bloody bugger all who will accuse him of being racist.

I’m not speaking for Alan, but I call bullshit because I remember him discussing that very thing and not being accused of being a racist.

My main problem is you won’t stop endlessly repeating Tommy sob stories even though it’s off topic, non-British people generally have no idea who he is and no one other than Alan seems familiar with his cases.

You’re outraged. We get it. Message sent. Move on.

I’m familiar an enormous number of incidents of police brutality, prosecutor misconduct, harassment of activists, unfair sentencing etc. I assume other posters are as well. Unlike you, we don’t endlessly discuss them on random threads and demand other posters express outrage.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

It is funny when MRAs use Bill Maher as an example of a good liberal who’s being persecuted by the ebil SJWs. One of the two things that made me finally give up watching Real Time was when one of his new rules was that people shouldn’t point out that women can rape men because men and boys always want sex from any women, therefore male rape victims aren’t victims, they’re lucky! If a female comedian that misogynists really hate like Amy Schumer or Melissa McCarthy had said anything like that, they’d be harassed and threatened by angry MRAs for years. But a straight white guy who gets criticized by feminists/SJWs does it and it’s crickets. More proof the MRM is about nothing but hating women and they don’t give two shits about male rape victims.

The other thing that made me give up on Bill Maher was when he monologued either in that same episode or the one right before or after about how sexism and racism weren’t really big problems anymore and the left should stop focusing on it. That a white dude thinks sexism or racism isn’t a problem because he doesn’t notice it and that he thinks he gets to be the one decide when sexism and racism are over just breaks my brain. Especially when it’s coming from someone who claims to be a liberal.

Marinerachel
Marinerachel
8 years ago

Maher’s an idiot. He’s the liberal Rush Limbaugh.

He’s not persecuted by SJWs. He’s a rich white guy with a highly successful HBO program and as standup career. If SJWs have been attempting to persecute him, they haven’t so much as made a dent yet.

Worse than his denial of sexism and racism, the turd advocates medical foolishness that can potentially kill anybody, regardless of wealth or ethnicity or gender. Disease doesn’t discriminate and that asshole uses his platform to speak out against vaccination and for going off ART in favour of goddamn arthritic goat milk shots.

He’s just the worst.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

Ugh that’s right. He’s an anti-vaxxer now too. I’d forgotten about that.

It’s utterly bizarre that someone who regularly mocks climate change deniers and creationist for being anti-science could take the so obviously anti-science position on vaccines.

6 more comments to go!

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

Things that Maher has said in the last 2 weeks:

– trans women are men
– statutory rape is awesome
– goat’s milk cures HIV and also cancer probably
– men shouldn’t take care of children because it lowers their testosterone levels and causes physical harm
– SHARIA LAW HALP
– other shit that I can’t even remember

I only ever hate watch Maher now. It’s like watchinf the Republican debates for me – I only watch it so I’ll know what the idiots are saying to each other.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
8 years ago

The first time I ever heard about Maher was to do with Religulous, and I immediately dismissed him from my mind because from what I heard he’d taken the easy route of mocking the most completely off-the-wall people rather than exposing the less obvious and thus more dangerous ones. Years later, I watched something of his after YouTube recommended it to me because I’d watched John Oliver, and I kept waiting for the jokes because I’d heard he was supposed to be funny. They never came.

Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
Imaginary Petal (formerly dhag85, trying out pronouns - they/their)
8 years ago

@Rabid Rabbit

I’d say about 95% of Maher’s jokes fall into the categories of “Chris Christie is fat”, “women are crazy”, “I smoke weed”, or “men with tits lolololol”. He’s such a fucking hack.

Marinerachel
Marinerachel
8 years ago

I actually like some of his humour. I don’t like him though which makes it fairly unlikely the content of his comedy will resonate with me and I’ll find it funny.

He’s busying himself right now by telling feminists they need to focus more on the anti-woman activities of scary brown people and stop worrying about income inequality and sexual harrassment because, as Richard Dawkins has told us, feminists love violence against women perpetrated by Muslims and are therefore totes hypocrites. Amirite?

I’m just so grateful to have rich old white guys like Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher to tell me how to feminism right.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

“All liberals loved Maher until [very recent incident]! Purity tests! Circling the wagons!” might be my favourite right-wing projection meme. You know when the last time I heard a non-imaginary, non-brogressive liberal say anything positive about Maher was? 2009. The Bush years.

It’s the perfect microcosm of just how far behind the rest of us the right wing perpetually is.

Also, this is the 999th comment.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

ONE THOUSAND! !!!

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