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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

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Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

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NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

Also his 10 month prison sentence for entering America on someone else’s passport. Is that normal? That sounds very harsh.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

“This man broke a bajillion laws, but I don’t understand why he’s being punished. Is it a feminist conspiracy?”

Every MRA’s reaction to every arrested right-wing white dude ever.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

Is that normal?

Once again, yup.

R v SINGH [1999] 1 Cr App R (S) 490

The integrity of the passport system must be maintained and deterrent sentences [for use] are required. Save in exceptional circumstances custodial sentences should be imposed.

Newt
Newt
8 years ago

Also his 10 month prison sentence for entering America on someone else’s
passport. Is that normal? That sounds very harsh.

What research did you do before opining that it’s “very harsh”? One minute with Google suggests that in the US (which might be what you meant by “America”), that would get you up to 10 *years*:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1543

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

Do you think it was right that he, an anti islam activist was put in a prison wing full of muslims doing 20+ year sentences for murder when he was only doing one week ?

::sigh::

Yeah, what dhag85 said. Ban, please.

Also his 10 month prison sentence for entering America on someone else’s passport. Is that normal? That sounds very harsh.

He went to America with false documentation and only got ten months? If the guy had been brown he’d be in Guantanamo by now. You do know that, don’t you?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

He got out of prison in June and in August was arrested and interviewed for over the fight but no charges were laid. But then another 5 months later they decide he’s getting charged. Is that normal?

Is there like a reverse version of Betteridge’s law of headlines?

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/jul/10/cps-lack-resources-funding-cutbacks

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

It’s not just him….

Nick Hardwick, the Chief Inspector of Prisons, said in a report that remand prisoners were treated less well than convicted inmates.

The rule that they should not be housed with convicted inmates was not being observed in practice, he added.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

why do you want me banned? I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense to put somebody in prison with killers doing 20+ years when they are only supposed to be there for one week. many people have tried to kill him and if they are in for a life sentence they dont have anything to lose. Tommy thinks the government wanted him to be murdered and I agree.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

It’s not just him….

But he wasn’t on remand he was near the end of his licence and was recalled for the last week

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Also his 10 month prison sentence for entering America on someone else’s passport. Is that normal? That sounds very harsh.

I went to the US with a BEARD and I got interrogated for 1 hour. What the fuck, dude.

So, can we ban him now?

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

I went to the US with a BEARD and I got interrogated for 1 hour. What the fuck, dude.

This wasn’t in America. This was in the UK after he got home. He was arrested a few weeks later in England and convicted in an English court and sent to an English prison. It had nothing to do with American police or Airport security.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Shut up, Woody. Ban now please.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ dhag

You might appreciate this. One of my Krav mate’s dad is Swedish and his mum’s Philippine (family of diplomats). He looks rather dashing and has a trendy beard.

He was driving in the States about a decade ago and got pulled by the police. They asked him his name. When he replied “Sven (Typicallyscandanavianname)” it was “OK Osama, out of the fucking car now!” :-/

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

orange tango drinker, I have been patient with you, but I am not your case worker. Ever since that initial thread in which you defended the Honey Badgers, you have done nothing but post Islamophobic stuff. You’ve been warned. You’ve been asked both kindly and snarkily. You’ve been treated with kid gloves. It hasn’t worked.

If you had realised that your attitude towards Muslims is unacceptable in this environment, and had responded by never bringing the topic up again, then we would not be having this conversation. However, the fact that you continue to do so indicates that you either have no sense of how to behave appropriately within an social environment, or that you’re just trying to get a response from us and are stooping to offensive levels in order to do so.

It’s also personally disappointing to me, because I feel I trusted you when I should not have.

It’s time for you to go.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

c’mon I dont’ wanna be banned , i think this is an awesome website. i just wanted to ask alan robertshaw questions about if what happened to Tommy is normal

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

But he wasn’t on remand he was near the end of his licence and was recalled for the last week

Was the prison near his home perchance?

It used to be that prisoners would get a travel voucher on release so they could get the train home. Now they just use the (already going there anyway) standard prison transport to stick you in a prison near your house just before they release you.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

And more fucking whining…

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

Was the prison near his home perchance?

Yes HMP Woodhill in Milton Keynes, Tommy is from Luton

Newt
Newt
8 years ago

OTD:

i just […] ask […] questions

Yeah, we know.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

It’s also personally disappointing to me, because I feel I trusted you when I should not have.

I am sorry for disappointing you. I wasn’t trying to talk about muslims though, just wanted to ask Alan Robertshaw about how Tommy has been treated in the courts and if it was normal.

arash
arash
8 years ago

@orange tango drinker
i think anyone who identifies with pegida is racist and their main concern is not islam, they are anti immigrant.
anyone can be be critical of muslims and islam but far right concerns are not usually very sincere.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

@Alan

Hah. Interesting, isn’t it? I suppose being not-freakishly-white makes it worse, but in my case all it took was the beard.

This was while trying to get through immigration at Newark airport, and I’m quite sure it was because of the beard. I’ve gone through this process a few times with no facial hair and many times with quite short facial hair. This was the only time I’ve been there with a long beard, and they were so damn suspicious.

I was approached twice while just waiting in line and interrogated as to where I was from, what I do for a living, how long I was intending to stay, etc. When I finally got through the waiting process they weren’t happy with my answers and took me away to a separate room with no fewer than 7 officers taking turns asking me weirder and weirder questions.

They were especially confused by the fact that I had brought very little cash. Y’know, because cash is the only way to pay for stuff. -_-

They finally let me go when I said I would need to message my American girlfriend somehow, to let her know why it’s taking so long.

It’s a sad thing, but I remember thinking it would surely be okay in the end since I’m not actually a muslim, I just vaguely looked like one. I could shave and show them I’m innocent!

EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

I am sorry for disappointing you. I wasn’t trying to talk about muslims though, just wanted to ask Alan Robertshaw about how Tommy has been treated in the courts and if it was normal.

Fuck off, asshole.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

just wanted to ask Alan Robertshaw about how Tommy has been treated in the courts and if it was normal.

Well I think we’ve pretty firmly established that there’s nothing even slightly unusual about how he’s been dealt with.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

i haven’t been an asshole for asking alan robertshaw some questions, i wasn’t even trying to talk to anybody else on this comment board. It was other people butting in. I have said bloody bugger all about muslims on this comment thread either.

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