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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

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Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

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NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

Just what this thread needs. OTD spamming shitty videos.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

@Alex:
In theory one can separate the two, and in that respect I agree with you; however the only people I’ve come across who can manage this distinction clearly are Muslims or ex-Muslims. I have yet to encounter an infidel who can do it without going into some deeply problematic territory; Aron Ra and Sam Harris are good examples of this.

I’m guessing that you regard yourself as someone who is capable of making this distinction. I don’t know you and I haven’t read any of your books (to my knowledge), therefore I can’t pass judgement upon you in this regard.

I, however, am as white and infidel as they come, which means that virtually anything I say about Islam which isn’t a literal quote from a respected Islamic source is going to come out very colonial; and even then my choice of whom to quote would betray my Western bias.

Newt
Newt
8 years ago

One True Douchecanoe:

That’s 27 minutes, and it’s only Part 1. Would providing a transcript, or a summary of the arguments, be against your freeze peach ideals? What connection does it have to Dawkins’ latest outburst, beyond them both saying “Muslims, eh?”?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

Looks like I was right about Arash being Orange Tango’s sock.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

LOL no i’m not Arash.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Yeah, I’ll totally spend half an hour watching a video of a known racist presumably saying the same shit he always says, posted with no comment or explanation as to how it’s relevant.

Not.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

That’s 27 minutes, and it’s only Part 1. Would providing a transcript, or a summary of the arguments, be against your freeze peach ideals? What connection does it have to Dawkins’ latest outburst, beyond them both saying “Muslims, eh?”?

Dave Rubin explains here why he decided to do the interview. It is only 3 minutes 47 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcOEtGqDYgI

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Don’t wanna watch that video? OK, here’s another video instead!

Dude, just stop it. Say what you want to say instead of posting a bunch of links.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

Tommy Robinson did once spend a week or so living with a Muslim guy for a documentary and apparently “he was alright”. So once he’s met every single Muslim in the world and vetted them for his own personal seal of approval I’m sure he’ll come round.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

People want to stop Tommy Robinson from talking. He talks about that in the interview. Dave Rubin said that he was worried people would think he was racist for having Tommy Robinson on his show and that is why he decided he had to do it.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

what do you think of tommy robinsons treatment by the police and the courts?

Newt
Newt
8 years ago

Dave Rubin explains here why he decided to do the interview. It is only 3 minutes 47 seconds.

Rubin’s tag-line is “pro free speech, anti political correctness”, so I can already take a damn good guess why he interviewed Tommy Robinson. Please explain why you think anyone should *watch* it.

Dave Rubin said that he was worried people would think he was racist
for having Tommy Robinson on his show and that is why he decided he had to do it.

Rubin: Should I do x?
people: That’d be racist.
Rubin: In that case, I have to do it.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

what do you think of tommy robinsons treatment by the police and the courts?

I think it’s an outrage that you can’t commit multiple counts of mortgage fraud without getting hassled by the system.

He’s practically Nelson Mandela.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

@alan

mortgage fraud is a financial crime though. Its not normal for someone to be punished the way he has been is it? Being put in prison with murderers doing 20+ year sentences

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Documents/Advice%20factsheets/Prisoners/p-early-release-from-prison—serving-your-sentence-in-the-community.pdf

He said his licence conditions said that he was not allowed to contact the EDL while on early release and was also not allowed to talk about the police or the muslim prophet mohammed at speaking engagements.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

also being fined £125 grand as well. Is that normal?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ OTD

It’s completely normal. You always go inside for mortgage fraud.

(From the sentencing guidlelines used by judges)

Offender over 18. First offence

Fraudulent from the outset, and either carried out over a significant period of time or multiple frauds

Start Point (SP): 4 years. Range: 3 – 7 years

Start Point (SP): 3 years. Range: 2 – 4 years

Start Point (SP): 15 months. Range: 18 months – 3 years

littleknown
littleknown
8 years ago

@Newt: LOL. That struck me as more than a bit bizarre when I read it, too.

I mean, why would just interviewing anyone, by itself, be racist? Granted, good arguments can be made that just giving airtime to certain views can be problematic, even if the interviewer is showing them in a critical light, if they end up drowning out the voices that are far more deserving of coverage.

But why would you be worried that people would think you are racist, just for doing the interview? Unless, of course, you’re planning on doing a puffball interview that paints racism in a positive light, or not a big deal….

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

(Does Kool-Aid know that Alan’s a lawyer?)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ OTD

The £125k wasn’t a fine. It’s from what’s called ‘confiscation proceedings’. Basically you have to pay the equivalent of any benefit obtained (not necessarily retained)

So if you got a mortgage for £125k, that’s your benefit. Doesn’t matter if you paid it back.

It is controversial admittedly. If I buy £10k worth of drugs and sell them for a £1k profit the benefit is calculated as £11k. But it does apply to everyone. He wasn’t treated any differently.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

yes I do, that is why I asked him about Tommy Robinson treatment by the police and courts

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

Why, in a capitalist society, you get a longer sentence for a property crime committed again a financial institution than you do for sexually assaulting a woman, is something I’ll leave to other to discuss.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

what about him being arrested for a fight he had in prison? is it normal for someone to have a fight in prison and then get arrested for it months after leaving prison? That sounds very strange.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/06/tommy-robinson-arrested-d_n_8923172.html

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

is it normal for someone to have a fight in prison

Surprisingly yes. It’s almost like the average prison clientele isn’t very law abiding.

and then get arrested for it months after leaving prison?

Again yes. In the olden days prison governors would deal with offences in prison administratively. Post Human Right Act that’s less common. Prisoners have the same rights to due process as anyone else. That means full police investigation, taking statements etc. So crimes in prison take as long to process as outside crimes.

arash
arash
8 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

Looks like I was right about Arash being Orange Tango’s sock.

i give you psychic of the month award.
but don’t overdo it, you may truly believe it.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

the timing looks suspicious, as he was arrested a few days after announcing his new anti islam group. He got out of prison in June and in August was arrested and interviewed for over the fight but no charges were laid. But then another 5 months later they decide he’s getting charged. Is that normal?

Do you think it was right that he, an anti islam activist was put in a prison wing full of muslims doing 20+ year sentences for murder when he was only doing one week ? that sounds ridiculous . He says he requested solitary but was denied.

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