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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

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Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

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NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

If “islamism” simply means a person who says they believe in the Quran, it’s literally a useless term. This is like using the term “christian dominionist” to refer to all christians who say they believe in the Bible.

This tedious, strawmanny troll has jumped the shark now.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Also, why are we obsessing over two tiny student groups in one school in one country, as if they speak for all muslims and all feminists everywhere. This is beyond stupid.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ dhag

This is like using the term “christian dominionist”

I might see if I can get people using ‘christianist’.

(Probably turn out that is actually a technical term for something)

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

…did you just quote the Daily Mail? Really? Really?

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

The Daily Mail should be renamed the Daily Troll or something. At this point, I’m convinced it only exists so trolls have citations.

“Why won’t the feminists listen to totally brand new and revolutionary ideas they totally haven’t heard a million times before!? They must be some sort of echo chamber hive mind thing! I’ve been so civil and I even have Daily Troll citations! No fair!”

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

Ugh. My phone must be visiting PUA sites while I sleep. When I typed “no” and then the letter “f” it suggested “fatties” as the next word.

arash
arash
8 years ago

@dhag85

If “islamism” simply means a person who says they believe in the Quran, it’s literally a useless term. This is like using the term “christian dominionist” to refer to all christians who say they believe in the Bible.

This tedious, strawmanny troll has jumped the shark now.

not every muslim is islamist but what islamism is clear:rule of islam in every aspect of human life including politics.
so it’s not a useless term.

Also, why are we obsessing over two tiny student groups in one school in one country, as if they speak for all muslims and all feminists everywhere. This is beyond stupid.

moving the goalposts?!
i was asked to show an example of islamists and feminists, which i did. and i said that the video is misleading, generalizing all feminists when actually there is a small number of such femenists.

and again i was talking about “islamists” which “some” muslims are.

EJ (The Other One

…did you just quote the Daily Mail? Really? Really?

there are plenty of sources, pick your favorite.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

Oh, and don’t flatter yourself Arash. I said you were trying to police the conversation. I didn’t say you were succeeding. We have pieces of better troll than you in our stools. *

* Bonus points for anyone who gets the, admittedly dated pop culture reference.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

The only thing you’ve done is show one instant in which one tiny group of feminists supported one specific muslim group in one minor endeavour. This isn’t equal to ZOMG FEMINISTS LOVE SHARIA. Fuck off.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

If it is proof that feminists love Sharia, then by that same logic, one misogynistic tweet by Dawkins is proof that he’s an anti-feminist.

arash
arash
8 years ago

btw the whole concept of “islamophobia” is flawed
because most of time it’s treated as a synonym with “muslim phobia” which is not.
“muslim phobia” is a very legitimate concern which is very akin to racism sometimes other groups like sikhs are treated badly just because their appearances are similar to muslims.
islamists use “islamophobia” to make any criticism of islam as bad as “muslim phobia” .

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

@WwTH

Actually, in that analogy one Dawkins tweet supporting a man, any man, in one context, any context, would be proof that he’s an anti-feminist. Because what arash has given isn’t an example of a feminist endorsing islamism, but just a group of feminists supporting a group of muslims in one limited context.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

@arash

I’m very unsurprised to hear that you only think hating muslims is a problem when it leads to innocent non-muslims being misidentified as muslims. -_-

arash
arash
8 years ago

dhag85 and WeirwoodTreeHuggerwhy

why the fuck you’re trying so prove that i said “all” or “majority” of feminists “love” islamism or shria?!i insisted that there is a minority many times in my posts.

when actually there is a small number of such femenists.

a feminist group standing in solidarity…

any generalization when in fact majority is different is flawed and wrong, a minority of feminists actually support islamist groups but that video aim was to blame feminism as a whole

.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

I can see how a distinction between a hatred of Muslims and a hatred of Islam would work, in theory. An example might be the Daesh, who are happy to enslave and kill countless individual Muslims in order to benefit the abstract concept of Islam.

In practise, though, I’ve never met a white person who opposes Islam without also having a offensively colonial attitude towards Muslims. At best it’s a case of telling the brown people what they should and shouldn’t believe; at worst it’s outright xenophobia.

arash
arash
8 years ago

@dhag85

I’m very unsurprised to hear that you only think hating muslims is a problem when it leads to innocent non-muslims being misidentified as muslims. -_-

and now I’m unsurprised that you misrepresent of my words.
i say “muslim phobia” is bad because simply being similar to a muslim(regardless that a person is or is not) doesn’t mean the person is violent muslim or terrorist.
but when it comes to strawman, you could show me as a maniac who supports bombing muslims to oblivion. the demonizing would be greater.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

@troll

The problem is that you haven’t shown that any feminists support sharia at all. And even if you did, it wouldn’t mean a thing. So this whole conversation is pointless.

arash
arash
8 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)

I can see how a distinction between a hatred of Muslims and a hatred of Islam would work, in theory. An example might be the Daesh, who are happy to enslave and kill countless individual Muslims in order to benefit the abstract concept of Islam.

In practise, though, I’ve never met a white person who opposes Islam without also having a offensively colonial attitude towards Muslims. At best it’s a case of telling the brown people what they should and shouldn’t believe; at worst it’s outright xenophobia.

technically i’m white and i live in middle east
so i don’t have any colonial feeling toward muslims:D

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

because most of time it’s treated as a synonym with “muslim phobia” which is not.

Only because “Muslim phobia” isn’t a real word. (Two words, whatever.) If it was, they would be, because the prefixes mean the same bloody thing.

“The words “Muslim” and “Islamist” are synonymous, but the words “Muslim” and “Islamic” totally aren’t. See, if we use my own made-up definitions, then I’m not a vomitous bigot anymore!” – is this what you MRAs call the rationalisation hamster in action?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

Whereabouts are you based, arash? It’s easier to put people’s positions into context if you understand where they’re coming from.

arash
arash
8 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)

Whereabouts are you based, arash? It’s easier to put people’s positions into context if you understand where they’re coming from.

i don’t really like to be judged based on what i have no control on.
anyway i’m from iran.

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

Only because “Muslim phobia” isn’t a real word. (Two words, whatever.) If it was, they would be, because the prefixes mean the same bloody thing.

“The words “Muslim” and “Islamist” are synonymous, but the words “Muslim” and “Islamic” totally aren’t. See, if we use my own made-up definitions, then I’m not a vomitous bigot anymore!” – is this what you MRAs call the rationalisation hamster in action?

ok tell me how one can “rationally” criticise islam/muslims but not be “Islamophobic”.
it is “the prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam or Muslims. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia
so either islamophobia isn’t bad then what about racist acts toward muslims which are called islamophobic as well?!
or islamophobia is bad which means hatred or fear of islam no matter why, is bad probably as bad as prejudice against muslims which is called islamophobia as well.

i find both options absurd.

Alex
Alex
8 years ago

@EJ Pointing out that Islam has some sexist aspects that really should be fixed and stating the Islam should become more Progressive is not the same as demanding that Muslims be banned from immigrating or be deprived of their human rights. To conflate the two is ridiculous.

arash
arash
8 years ago

one last thought on “white man science”
using the term is harmless to mean that some biases in science exist because of white men prejudice, it’s ok because it vague.
on the other hand when used to refute a specific scientific theory, it’s fallacious and wrong.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
8 years ago

superb interview of Tommy Robinson by Dave Rubin

Makroth
Makroth
8 years ago

“Tommy Robinson“

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