Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.
You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.
Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)
The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]
The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.
It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.
Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:
Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.
The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.
In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.
Let’s watch Lindy at work:
After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]
Well, that got his attention:
So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”
West replied:
Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:
Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.
We’ve seen this, er, argument before.
Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.
And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.
Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!
And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.
RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.
Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.
One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:
The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.
We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.
We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.
The NECSS Team
Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.
It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.
EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.
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CORRECTION: I added a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.
EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.
Yeah, I never claimed any authority. I just found it funny that I’m expected to Google and really basic and we’ll known fact for him. And I found it funny that he’s acting like he cares so much about science, yet is somehow oblivious to something even any non-scientist who reads up on science news once in awhile would know.
It’s also hilarious that he wants all sorts of citations from me on something that’s common knowledge, but we’re just supposed to accept at face value that some feminists support Islamists.
If anyone is still wondering what he’s doing here, it’s to troll. He wants to sealion and JAQ off. He wants to distract from Dawkins and movement atheism’s misogyny, racism, and Islamophobia issues.
I do not think we should ban him just yet. I’d like to see if we can get the thread to 1000 comments.
OK now that we know he’s trolling, can we ban him?
EDIT: Dammit, wwth. :p
i’m gonna leave you for awhile
and if not banned till that, well you would have the pleasure of seeing me again 😀
Thank you, arash.
I don’t see any references or citations to back up that assertion.
Scrolling through the linked Twitter account, but I can’t find any homophobia, assholism or “shutting down criticism of Islam” (how would that work, exactly?). I might be missing something. The most damning thing I’ve seen on their Twitter is that they’ve invited Hamza Tzortzis to speak at one of their events, and he is indeed an obnoxious asshole.
But what the feminist society did was to condemn the harassment of muslim students who (peacefully) protested a speaker. Condemning the harassment of a group doesn’t mean that you endorse all their views. FFS, we condemn harassment of manospherians. That doesn’t mean we support MRAs. This is one massive logic fail.
@ arash
Ah, then we’re using different definitions of ‘Islamist’.
I’m using the generally accepted version that Islamist means someone who would impose Islam by force in all areas of public life.
I appreciate that there are a handful of people who have used the term for anyone who would like to see Islam be adopted generally; but that to me seems like a redundancy (and it’s not the way just about everyone else uses the word).
All proselytising religions seek to convert everyone to their own religion, but they generally rely on ‘witnessing’ and persuasion, or, where they want a state to operate under the tenets of a particular religion, at least by lawful means.
As far as I’m aware the Goldsmith IsSoc don’t appear to be converting by the sword or advocating violence.
So the point would still appear to stand; I have yet to see an example of feminists supporting an Islamist group as opposed to an Islamic group (you now see the distinction?)
He’s almost certainly a scientific racist. That technically counts, right?
(Note to Arash and other Dawkultists: I’m being sarcastic.)
But seriously, I like how he ran away before answering this.
@Alan
I wonder if the right-wing usage of “Islamist” to mean “Muslim” is like (or started out like, before developing its own definition) their usage of “Democrat Party,” misgendering, etc. Deliberately using the wrong word because they don’t think their target deserves even that much respect.
@ SHFC
Over here, ‘Islamist’ and ‘Islamism’ were deliberately adopted to distinguish the violent politically motivated ideologues purporting to act in the name of Islam from your regular non violent Muslims and Islam generally .
Sorry, WWTH, it doesn’t look like this thread will get to 1000 posts unless we do something else to prolong it.
@ EJ
More knob puns?
Don’t penis your luck.
(I understood “Islamist” to be a term used by Islamists themselves, to represent the belief that there should be no separation between secular and sacred authority, and therefore that any secular authority other than that of the Sunni Revival is illegitimate.)
@ EJ
Schlong; and thanks for all the fish.
Must confess I haven’t seen that, but I only read ‘Inspire’ and ‘Dabiq’. It may be that it’s used like that in other places.
How the Islamists refer to themselves is interesting. There was a commentary in Dabiq a while back about the Daesh thing. The view was one of mild bemusement that we thought it was an insult because that was just the acronym they used themselves.
Have to say I prefer being called Kuffir rather than ‘mushrikin’ (that sounds like something cute from a kids book) so I have to give that one to AQ over ISIS.
@EJ
Did you mean “Don’t testes your luck.”?
Hey, only a little over 200 to go! This seems like the type of thread that will get necro’d too.
What I love about all you people is that I can’t imagine anyone else that could have got me sat here with an anatomical diagram of the male genitalia and a thesaurus.
The first person who makes a successful pun around the word “epididymis” wins the thread.
We could discuss Juicebro Cernovich’s upcoming documentary.
http://www.donotlink.com/i3zc
@ Katz
You already won with the deferens one (although you’d have got bonus points if you’d pointed out it would have made a vas deferens)
@Alan:
Islamism is a broad movement; remember that the Justice and Development Party identified as Islamist until recently, as do several other political groups. Like most social movements, it’s mostly moderate and peaceful people.
@dhag85:
I don’t do puns. People better at them than me can say things like that.
@ EJ
That’s interesting. Wonder if there’s been any diplomatic problems with Turkey arising out of the way our government now defines the term?
@ dhag
Speaking of Scandinavians and documentaries, I was watching the fantastic Troll Hunter last night with a Norwegian friend. He had some mates over from Norway so he was very helpfully translating the subtitles for them and explaining what was going on; until they reminded him that the film is actually in Norwegian .
@Alan:
Considering that Turkey has been funnelling refugees through to Europe, blowing up Russian aircraft, and providing arms and volunteers to the Daesh, I think there are bigger diplomatic issues there. Realpolitik is a hell of a drug.
How is Troll Hunter anyway?
@Alan
To be fair, Norwegians are known (around here) for appearing in jokes about how dumb they are. :p
@ EJ
Yeah, some of my friends are talking about really going for a Kurdistan and having the Kurds as replacement allies to Turkey. Turkey really needs to be careful; they’ve been rubbish with regard to NATO recently and they’ve blotted their copybook with the EU. Personally I’d love to see a Kurdistan carved out of Turkey, Syria and Iraq. If we get shut of ISIS we’ll be in the perfect position for that.
Troll Hunter is bloody brilliant. Check it out at your earliest opportunity.
To tie in with our other discussion there’s some great stuff in there about whether trolls can only smell the blood of Christians, or members of Abrahamic faiths generally when they get a Muslim camera operator on the team.