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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

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Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

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NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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dhag85
8 years ago

That part about no war and no depression is just WTF. Has he been asleep since 2001?

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

@SFHC, I laughed at that part too. If you’re going to talk about how easy the kids have it today, maybe don’t bring up things that the kids today have actually experienced? But w/e.

Gavin himself, of course, was forged in The Great Depression of the 30s, and tempered in WWII. Gavin is 95 years old.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ gavan

But don’t the conditions you describe apply equally to men?

Do you think then that the MRA whinging is just a result of them not having been tested in some crucible of fire or having to live in a Hoover Town?

Do you think that the veterans of WW2 would find that the greatest issue of the day is that there’s a woman in a Mad Max movie or a video game?

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
8 years ago

You pass all responsibility of your behaviour to the state

Sounds like an MRA troll.

Lorcan Nagle
Lorcan Nagle
8 years ago
Reply to  Viscaria

Is he not just quoting Fight Club?

Gavan
Gavan
8 years ago

Viscaria – You are not really doing much to discredit my comments. You are saying ” I am a part of this club and you are making me uncomfortable.”
In Australia, we have not had any real hardship since the 2nd world war. That means I too have lived an easy life free from true hardship. I am grateful for that, but that doesn’t mean I have to become a sook. It is ridiculous to bring such petty, childish sentiments to a man that has contributed so much to our society. It is truly absurd that great men can be brought down by bratty ‘permanent victims’. What a tedious process it must be for him.

dhag85
8 years ago

What are you even talking about? Get to the point.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

@Lorcan Nagle

Is he not just quoting Fight Club?

Is he really? Why are douchebros all so lazy?

Gavin, I’m afraid that your trolling has became so inane that I can’t bring myself to read any of your comments without financial incentive. I’ll just skip them until the promised gift of all of your money materializes. Thanks, bye.

Edit: not trying to discredit you, dude, just trying to get paid.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

Cogent points!

You didn’t ask me but I’ll answer anyway.

Do you think then that the MRA whinging is just a result of them not having been tested in some crucible of fire or having to live in a Hoover Town?

Yes, I do. (Partly.)

Do you think that the veterans of WW2 would find that the greatest issue of the day is that there’s a woman in a Mad Max movie or a video game?

No, I don’t. At least not the ones with any degree of awareness or sense of proportion.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Gavan

It is ridiculous to bring such petty, childish sentiments to a man that has contributed so much to our society.

Sorry, Gavan, here in the USA (and elsewhere in the world, from what I hear), we speak our minds. Doesn’t make us “sooks,” or big babies for our American readers.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

In Australia, we have not had any real hardship since the 2nd world war. That means I too have lived an easy life free from true hardship. I am grateful for that, but that doesn’t mean I have to become a sook.

What in the name of Nut, Goddess of the Sky is a “sook”?

EDIT:
Ah, thanks Kat.

@Gavan:
You’re the one whining about what modern people have become and wishing that there was more hardship so that people would meh meh meh. I’m the one planning humanity’s journey to the stars in order to make us immortal. Which of us is a sook again?

Tessa
Tessa
8 years ago

Gavin

It is ridiculous to bring such petty, childish sentiments to a man that has contributed so much to our society.

You mean the childish sentiment of lauding a video meant to pile on more rape and death threats on someone? I too think it’s ridiculous that someone like Dawkins would stoop so low. Sad really.

Gavan
Gavan
8 years ago

Ok. Intelligent debate isn’t working. I’ll go back to: “Girls are all really nice. Boys are all really ewwww! Why is the world so meaaaannnn!” Richard Dawkins is just this kind of, you know, old white dude. He said something, like oh…. it was just so …. like…. oh look – shoes!!!!”

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

…do you actually think that what you wrote constitutes “intelligent debate?” For shame.
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If you aren’t linking properly-sourced studies then what you’re doing isn’t intelligent; and if you aren’t in a formal, umpired environment then it isn’t debate. L2adult, n00b.

loquora
8 years ago

Well I don’t know about the rest of you ‘girls’ but Gavin has opened my eyes! I will immediately report myself to the nearest man for re-education and proper servitude. Feminism was a nice movement while it lasted, but this extremely poor attempt at trolling has just turned me around.

Or wait. No. No, it’s just tedious. Never mind.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

It is ridiculous to bring such petty, childish sentiments to a man that has contributed so much to our society.

I actually find this statement of Gavan’s fascinating in that it must work in some cultures. But it just bounces off an American.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

He said something, like oh…. it was just so …. like…. oh look – shoes!!!!

OK, that was actually funny. I didn’t even see the sexism he intended at first. It just seemed to be a complete non sequitur. Oh, look–a flower!

I’m laughing so hard.

Gavan, you have stepped into a swamp. And the alligators who pose as commenters here chew trolls up and spit them out–metaphorically, of course. You are in no actual danger from us.

Tell Richard Dawkins that you deserve hazard pay.

dhag85
8 years ago

Dumbest troll we’ve had in a while?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

He’s smarter than orange tango drinker, at least.

Gavan
Gavan
8 years ago

Kat. I am trying to find an intelligible comment to respond to but there is a lot of stuff that doesn’t even make sense on any level. Lot’s of labelling of ‘troll’ etc. Cheap. Easy. Nothing substantial. There is a change happening in that the feminist movement and victim culture is starting to be held up to the spotlight. It has had decades of quarantine from analysis, but now things are changing. Once subjected to real open debate and analysis, it falls over very quickly – which is a great thing. Maybe women will grow and find agency. That would be good – for them and for all.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
8 years ago

It is truly absurd that great men can be brought down by bratty ‘permanent victims’.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ gavan

You appear to have skedaddled before answering the questions I put to you. That’s your prerogative of course.

The irony is that to a certain extent I would agree with you. It’s obvious that society as a whole is less arduous than it has been in the times to which you refer.

I also agree with you that a section of society has taken for taken for granted the relative safety it now enjoys and filled the void with disproportionate angst at petty concerns.

Where I think we do differ is what section of society that is.

It’s men who “have never had it so good” (bonus posts for recognising that quote). Life’s a doddle for us. We don’t get shipped off to fight in the Pacific or storm the Normandy beaches. And what do some men do with that freedom and security? Whinge about self created non existent problems like women enjoying video games or not shagging every guy who comes on to a woman in a manner that would make Pepe Le Pew blush.

Women do make complaints as well of course. But their complaints are about things like not being able to feel safe, to have the constant (and justified) fear that they could get assaulted, raped or murdered. Or abused for daring to express an opinion, or having the audacity to get a job in a “man’s” field.

So yes, we do live in a society where some people get upset over trivial things, but let’s face it, those “some people” are blokes.

Ddog
Ddog
8 years ago

I’ve watched this thread explode several times. Linx was a very abusive troll. Gavan is….hmm I’m not sure. Claims to be searching for intelligent debate but makes no points beyond Dawkins is great blablabla….are you a Dawkins sock Gav?

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

I say, let the Great Man himself engage with us. I await his arrival with bated breath.

PS: Alan, very well stated!

IN51P1D
IN51P1D
8 years ago

IN51P1D | January 29, 2016 at 12:02 am

I will say in my defense that the only reason I brought it up is because the sealion tried to compare being an atheist with say, being murdered for being trans

I never, ever, ever, ever, EVER said anything even remotely like that. I’m disgusted that would even suggest it. I hate myself for posting here again, but what you’re saying is gross and false, and someone needs to open your eyes to that.

If you don’t like posting here, then please do fuck off. I’m tired of your bullshit already.

You’re not going to “open my eyes” to anything because you’re not the first person to march in here and tell us all how mean we are for pointing out sexism, while ignoring anything else anyone has to say kthx.

Unbelievable. You may as well call me a Holocaust denier, and nobody here will challenge you.

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