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Richard Dawkins, Lindy West, and the Cartoon Video of Great Hatefulness

Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?
Is Richard Dawkins using his bully pulpit to bully feminists?

Almost three years ago, a feminist activist committed what many not-so-impartial observers apparently see as an unpardonable sin: she was less than polite to a small squad of Men’s Rights activists at a demonstration in Toronto. At least one of these gentlemen caught her outburst on video, and uploaded it to YouTube.

You know the rest: the video went viral, and the activist, a red-headed woman known as Chanty Binx (or “Big Red,” to the douchebag army), found herself suddenly transformed into “The Posterchild of Everything Wrong with Feminism,” as one of her haters put it. Her face has become ubiquitous in antifeminist memes, and she’s endured nearly three years of harassment.

Earlier this month, antifeminist YouTuber Sargon of Akkad — who makes his living pandering to some of the internet’s worst lady haters — posted an animated video by another antifeminist YouTuber in which an angry Islamist and an angry feminist sing a song explaining that they pretty much believe all the same things. (For some reason, this nonsensical theory is something that a lot of antifeminists have convinced themselves is true.)

The angry Islamist in the video is a familiar racist stereotype, complete with “funny” accent. [Correction: He’s evidently supposed to be a parody of this guy, known as Dawah Man, a legitimately terrible person you wouldn’t think atheists would have to strawman in order to criticize..]

The angry feminist, meanwhile, isn’t a generic figure; she’s an especially crude caricature of Binx, spouting nonsense that neither Binx nor any other feminist actually believes: the video ends with her encouraging the Islamist to rape her, because it’s not really rape if a Muslim does it, dontchaknow.

It’s a vicious, hateful little cartoon made worse by the fact that these words are being put in the mouth of a real woman who’s been the target of a vast harassment campaign for years.

Yesterday, Richard Dawkins, apparently seeing this horrendous video as a clever takedown of some brand of feminism that he must think actually exists, shared it with his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

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Dawkins, a well-respected scientist-turned-embarrassing-atheist-ideologue, has become notorious for his endless Twitter gaffes. But this is plainly worse than, say, his famously pathetic lament about airport security “dundridges” taking his jar of honey; his Tweet contributed to the demonization of a real woman who’s already the target of harassment and threats.

The awesome Lindy West pointed this out to him in a series of Tweets and linked to one of my posts cataloging some of the abuse Binx got after the video of her went viral.

In a series of eloquent and angry Tweets, she made clear to Dawkins how and why he was misusing his huge platform and contributing to an atmosphere of hate online. Dawkins, alternately indignant and defensive, ultimately took down the offending Tweet, but not before making other Tweets that were nearly as bad. Dawkins can’t even do the right thing without being a dick about it.

Let’s watch Lindy at work:

 

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest like literally what is wrong with you @RichardDawkins RETWEETS 47 LIKES 337 Lamentation Smythethank god it's overMargaret PlessAllison ElaineRachyAlice Pinegabs ❁GORILLA SUITNINA 5:19 PM - 26 Jan 2016 Reply Retweet Liked More Tweet text Reply to @thelindywest @RichardDawkins Who's in these photos? Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Jan 26 the complete ideological horror show aside, that is a caricature of an actual real woman and you are feeding her harassment @RichardDawkins

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I didn't know that. Who is the real woman? 1 retweet 5 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 5 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Here: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 55 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 55 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It would serve you well to research the people & movements whose support you accept & whose propaganda you disseminate. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago One might even argue that it's a basic responsibility concomitant with wielding such a large and powerful platform. @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 114 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 114 More View other replies Show more Zoë “Shitpost” Quinn ‏@UnburntWitch 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest @RichardDawkins oh good he's promoting a guy who built a career off of stalking and harassing me and my family 19 retweets 86 likes Reply Retweet 19 Like 86 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Richard, this is not a thought experiment for us. It's not an ideological pissing match. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago It is a constant, violent, unprovoked, psychologically damaging barrier to full engagement with the world. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 21 retweets 83 likes Reply Retweet 21 Liked 83 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago You make yourself complicit in that system by validating and amplifying the voices of our harassers. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins 22 retweets 100 likes Reply Retweet 22 Liked 100 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Please stop, or at least do so with full knowledge of the scope, history, and implications of your actions. @UnburntWitch @RichardDawkins

After what was apparently an unsatisfactory response from Dawkins — I couldn’t find his Tweet, if there was one — West repeated and expanded upon her basic points. [EDIT: The unsastisfactory respose, West tells me, was that Dawkins posted a link to one of the videos of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.]

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest If this is your response, please go on record, explicitly, that you believe women you dislike deserve rape & death threats. @RichardDawkins

Well, that got his attention:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest What the hell are you talking about. When have I ever said any such thing? 7 retweets 34 likes Reply Retweet 7 Like 34 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Did you read the link that I sent? Posting this video implies an endorsement of her abuse (and will definitely amplify it). @RichardDawkins 9 retweets 71 likes Reply Retweet 9 Liked 71 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest No. What link? Somebody told me who she was. I was about to delete my original tweet. Then I looked up the Toronto vid . . .

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago I sent you a series of tweets. Feel free to read them in my TL. Here is the link again: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/ … @RichardDawkins View summary 16 retweets 67 likes Reply Retweet 16 Liked 67 More View other replies Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Then you looked up the Toronto vid and...felt like that woman deserved what she got? That's exactlly what I'm talking about. @RichardDawkins 7 retweets 77 likes Reply Retweet 7 Liked 77 More View other replies Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @thelindywest I think she deserves nothing more than ridicule. I would never shriek "Fuckface" at her. But I would laugh at her. Ridicule.

So there you have it: when informed that a tweet of his will almost certainly worsen the vicious harassment faced by a young woman whose only “crime” was being rude to a couple of MRAs in public, Richard Dawkins, a one-time winner of  the American Humanist Association’s Humanist of the Year Award, replies by saying that “she deserves nothing more than ridicule.”

West replied:

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest Please don't insult me by pretending you don't comprehend the gravity and scope of this conversation and your complicity. @RichardDawkins

Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago Great. Good job. If you leave those links up you are fomenting further abuse, and that's a choice you should own. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins then decided to suggest that perhaps Binx was, you know, crazy:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago @FulcrumAmber @thelindywest Perhaps mentally ill, to be charitable. Anyway it's disgraceful that she's apparently received violent threats. 1 retweet 8 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 8 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago First of all, mentally ill people are fully capable of holding and expressing valid, well-considered, justified opinions. @RichardDawkins 48 retweets 214 likes Reply Retweet 48 Like 214 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago 2nd of all, you know nothing of this woman's mental state but her anger. Armchair diagnoses are presumptuous and insulting. @RichardDawkins 37 retweets 159 likes Reply Retweet 37 Like 159 More Lindy West ‏@thelindywest 7h7 hours ago And thirdly, it's exactly this spectrum of misogyny--dismissiveness to outright abuse--that feminists are angry about. @RichardDawkins

Dawkins ultimately agreed to take down his Tweet linking to the execrable video. But he offered no apology. And he went on to suggest that just maybe Binx had … threatened herself.

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 7h7 hours ago Having learned that the woman in the joke song is a real person who has been disgracefully threatened with violence, I'm deleting my tweets. 65 retweets 436 likes Reply Retweet 65 Like 436 More Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 5h5 hours ago Maybe I'm naive. Can't believe anyone's as nasty as her. Nor that anyone would threaten her. Nor that anyone'd lie about being threatened.

User Actions Follow Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins Retweeted Boltzmann Is this really true? How depressing. But it would explain a lot. Richard Dawkins added, Boltzmann @NameIsBoltzmann @RichardDawkins People lie about being threatened all the time these days. Some have gotten caught threatening themselves.

We’ve seen this, er, argument before.

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Does Dawkins have any conception of just how much abuse women like Chanty Binx get? If she were sending herself all the threatening and harassing messages she gets, she wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

And I wonder if Dawkins thinks she drew the caricature of herself that was used in the video he retweeted.

Thoughtful as ever, Dawkins made sure to remind his 1.3 million followers that Binx still deserved all the mockery they could deliver. Just not the death threats please!

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins 8h8 hours ago @YourSluttyGF Yes, she deserves abundant mockery, the more the merrier. But she doesn't deserve violent threats. Nobody does.Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins @cleanpulse @YourSluttyGF I don't feel the smallest bit guilty. She deserves mockery. But if there's a risk of inspiring violence, NO NO NO!And he begged his readers to think about the real victims here — those people, like him, who might have to curtail their mockery somewhat because their terrible, terrible fans might be inspired to hurt someone.

Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't EVER threaten anyone with violence. We should be free to use comedy/ridicule without fear it may inspire violence

RIP, Richard Dawkins’ comedy career.

Is Dawkins actually unaware that by punching down at a woman who’s already been the target of a three year harassment campaign he almost certainly is contributing to the threats he claims to deplore? It’s hard for me to believe that he could be so naive. But the alternative explanation — that he knows full well that he’s encouraging the harassers — is even more disquieting.

One good thing has come out of this ugly episode today: The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has un-invited Dawkins from its event this year. A post on the group’s website today explains:

The Northeast Conference on Science & Skepticism has withdrawn its invitation to Richard Dawkins to participate at NECSS 2016. We have taken this action in response to Dr. Dawkins’ approving re-tweet of a highly offensive video.

We believe strongly in freedom of speech and freedom to express unpopular, and even offensive, views. However, unnecessarily divisive, counterproductive, and even hateful speech runs contrary to our mission and the environment we wish to foster at NECSS. The sentiments expressed in the video do not represent the values of NECSS or its sponsoring organizations.

We will issue a full refund to any NECSS attendee who wishes to cancel their registration due to this announcement.

The NECSS Team

Good for them. The atheist movement needs to stand up to the haters and harassers in its midst, including those like Dawkins, who may not directly harass or threaten but who use their huge platforms to amplify and embolden this hatred and harassment.

It would be nice if Dawkins were to actually learn something — a little humanity, a little humility? — from this incident, but when it comes to the subject of feminism Dawkins seems incapable of taking in new information, much less learning anything from it.

EDITED TO ADD: And now, as if to prov what I just said in that previous paragraph, Dawkins is now second-guessing his decision to take down his tweet linking to the video, because GamerGaters are telling him that Chanty and I made up the evidence of the abuse she got.

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NOTE: Lindy West has a book coming out soon. Pre-order it below!

CORRECTION: I added  a bit noting that the Islamist in the cartoon video is supposed to be a parody of a real person.

EDIT: I added a line about Dawkins tweeting a link to a video of Chanty Binx at the Toronto demonstration.

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Paradoxical Intention (Mobile)
Paradoxical Intention (Mobile)
8 years ago

EJ’s question: Due to the fact that I’m a recent convert to paganism and witchcraft, I have had the need to be “in the forest” or “in the broom cupboard” as some witches put it.

Not because of atheists exactly (I don’t know any in meatspace, I think), but because my family is full of Christians. Extremely secular and accepting Christians, but I do still fear they won’t understand my beliefs.

It seems kind of silly, since my family raised me to believe what I want and not force me to believe what they want, and because my mom practiced once upon a time, but I’d still rather not share.

As for online spaces: I tend not to bring up religion around strangers unless it’s the topic of discussion and even then my input is minimal because I’m still new to the whole Witch thing, and because I am wary of those “sheeple” atheists who think anyone religious is brainwashed.

lamuella
lamuella
8 years ago

Gavan, if I were you I’d have left it at not saying anything to be honest.

Josh
Josh
8 years ago

@Gavan

Damn man, such great trolling. 100% legit man, consider my jimmies rustled.

More on topic, does anyone remember Dawkins’ brilliant “stranger rape is worse than being raped by someone you know?”

Dreadnought
Dreadnought
8 years ago

@sunnysombrera

In my experience I’ve actually noticed an increase in antitheistic rhetoric among online atheist groups I used to frequent – no doubt fueled by the atrocities committed by Daesh during the past year. The narrative I began to hear with greater frequency was: religion causes terrorism because there exists religious extremists, therefore religion needs to be eradicated. I’m not sure if that is something you’ve noticed, maybe it’s just me.

The increase in hatemongering and antitheistic rhetoric was another reason why I decided to distance myself from movement atheism.

Good luck in finding like minded individuals who share your religious beliefs. It’s difficult, but I’m sure you’ll succeed.

Josh
Josh
8 years ago

@sunnysombrera

There’s a liberal evangelical (I feel like prefacing that since I don’t want to assume what denomination you might belong to) named Fred Clark on Patheos whose blog you may enjoy.

Josh
Josh
8 years ago

Also, on Antitheism:

One of the more common reasons for Antitheism that I’ve encountered among other Atheists is the incredible backlash they got from their families for their lack of belief. The first atheist I ever met (while a highschool student) was kicked out of his house for being an atheist. When he was allowed back in, he was told he had to act like a Christian around company. Immediatley after this episode, he became MUCH more venomous about religion and the religious.

I personally do have quite a number of problems with organized religion, but I don’t have a problem average joe churchgoer.

banned@4chan.org
8 years ago

Hi Gavan,

No one’s saying Chanty Binx should get all the money. Just that it’s stupid and shameful to continue harrassing her for that time she lost her temper at some MRAs.

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

Tone trolls and sea lions just came out of the woodwork for this one, didn’t they?

Poor dears. Everyone is so mean to them. We’re such bullies.

And too sensitive.

We are such overly sensitive bullies who need to be reminded we are abusers at every turn. Like any time an ablist slurs hurt me, I’m a bully for saying so. I should be so ashamed of how I drive allies away.

Because that isn’t gaslighting or anything. Its being civil and standing up for frozen peaches.

/s

Lea
Lea
8 years ago

Gavan,
First attempt at trolling?
Don’t worry. You’ll get worse.
You’ll be less preachy in your attempt to make the mean ladies do what you want them to. Soon, you’ll be calling us bitches too. The mask of civility drops when it isn’t enough to silence us.

Because beneath that smarm and self richeousness is always rage at uppity “b*tches” and our boundaries.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Guest

I wanted to write a little more about the ’emotions’ thing–these dudes who claim that they’re all about logic and emotions are icky are exactly the ones who don’t recognise their own emotions, and thus let them run away with them.

Yes. I could read a whole book on this subject. I could contribute to a whole book on this subject.

One ex of mine said to me, “I decided a long time ago not to have any feelings I didn’t like.”

Ooh!

Such deep ignorance.

Among my exes, he was the. abolute. worst.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Just reading this thread after the fact is exhausting. I have no idea how so many of you managed to participate. Hats off to all.

Really liking the discussion about making this space welcoming for people of all faiths as well as non religious people.

Edit:

One ex of mine said to me, “I decided a long time ago not to have any feelings I didn’t like.”

Lol, great idea, why didn’t I think of that? Bye bye depression! Bye bye anxiety! Thanks, Kat’s awful ex! (Sorry you had to deal with that btw)

Paul
Paul
8 years ago

@Linkxzeldafan appears to be a highly abusive troll. And once again I am amazed by the level of drama coming out of men who claim to be following the golden thread of reason wherever it may lead, the moment anyone rocks their comfy boat. This troll, however, should simply be banned from commenting. Sharp, even scornful disagreement is one thing, but this sort of abuse is uncalled for.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Gavan

After reading your comments policy, I have had to revise what I was going to say. So…..Nice day isn’t it? You don’t have to answer – I wouldn’t want to violate your right to silence. Ummmm……Girls are all really good. Boys are all really bad.

Clever.

Also hilarious.

dhag85
8 years ago

@Gavan

Stop calling women “girls”.

You fail at not being an asshole even when trying to be overly non-assholey in order to make a stupid point.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Viscaria

One ex of mine said to me, “I decided a long time ago not to have any feelings I didn’t like.”

Lol, great idea, why didn’t I think of that? Bye bye depression! Bye bye anxiety! Thanks, Kat’s awful ex! (Sorry you had to deal with that btw)

Thank you. I appreciate that. A person who doesn’t bother engaging with their own emotions can cause a lot of harm when they (inevitably) act them out.

Gavan
Gavan
8 years ago

I think I’m feeling a bit triggered by your comment lamuella. H.R. will be in touch. I’m going off to a safe space now to have a little cry and hug my teddy.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
8 years ago

I do have a couple of examples of what I meant when I said atheists are expected to walk on eggshells. The first, is that there are some pretty negative reactions when I try to explain why to me personally, it doesn’t make sense to believe in God/s. People do absolutely take it as an attack when it isn’t framed that.

I also think there can be a lack of acknowledgement that some – not all- atheists have been harmed by the religious supremacy in our culture and that’s where some of the anger comes from. That doesn’t mean it’s okay to be mean and derisive about people of faith, but it doesn’t do anymore substantive harm than white or male tears jokes. That is, it’s hurt feelings, not oppression.

My third example is a little bit longer and I have to go to work. I’ll discuss that one later.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Great comment Gavin A+ but the thing is I’m going to need your email address so I can send you the details of where you should wire all of your money.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Gavan

I’m going off to a safe space now to have a little cry and hug my teddy.

OMG. This guy? So funny.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

Okay, I know we’re having an influx of new trolls sent here by God-King Dawkins, but Gavan is almost certainly Link under a thin sock.

Gavan
Gavan
8 years ago

This is what you get when you have a generation that has never had to fight a war. A generation that has never had a depression. A generation that has never had real hardship or been faced with starvation, deprivation and had to fight just to survive. Your perceived slights and hurt feelings are pathetic and childish. Your grandmothers would be ashamed of your behaviour. Think about this: you are the most unhappy, depressed, lonely, dysfunctional, medicated generation of women in the history of western civilisation. Why? Because you have lost your agency. You pass all responsibility of your behaviour to the state and live lives of perceived oppression like spoilt children sulking endlessly. True fulfillment can only be earned by effort and sacrifice, there are no shortcuts, the state cannot give that to you.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Gavin, judging by your “generation” comments, you seem to think that we’re all the same age. Is it possible that the reason you called us girls is because you think we’re actually children?

I’m afraid that most, if not all, of the women here are actually adults, but don’t worry. If you send me all of your money I promise I will redistribute it to some actual girls. You can trust me.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

This is what you get when you have a generation that has never had to fight a war. A generation that has never had a depression.

http://i.imgur.com/vB8YFim.gif

Yep. Totally.

dhag85
8 years ago

@Gavin

My grandmother would laugh at you. When she were alive I spent almost a decade slowly building up her ability to communicate after suffering a stroke with bad aphasia as a result. I can assure you that she wasn’t ashamed of me at all. 🙂

Nice projection though.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

WTF, Gavan?

Many–most?–of us live in the United States of America, land of the free, home of the brave. And we Americans are all rugged individualists, every one of us.

Wars? We’ve waged quite a few lately.

Depression? How about an economic meltdown–shared by lots of countries worldwide.

Back to the drawing board for you, young gentleman. You need to learn to tailor your remarks to your audience.

Scoot, you little rascal!

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