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Open Thread for Personal Stuff: January 2016 Prairie Dog Hug Edition

I love you, dog!
I got you, dawg!

An open thread for personal stuff. As usual, this thread is a NO TROLLS/NO MRAS zone.

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dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

@SFHC

I’m not sure if I mentioned it at that time. 🙂 When we talked about birthdays a while back I remember EJ’s was also in January, and there were probably a few more?

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@SFHC
Happy birthday!

I envy your ability to live in the future. I hope that we’ve resolved all environmental issues, we’ve eliminated war, and that the MRM has re-formed into an organic gardening group.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

Happy birthday dhag85 and M! Enjoy your completely adult celebrations.

People whose birthdays are far from Christmas are weird. Do they have separate celebrations or something? /s

proudfootz
8 years ago

What ThatHobbitGuy wrote resonated with me – or maybe I just paid attention to the bits I felt I ‘got’ and missed a lot more.

When I was with the person I married I wanted very much to be able to solve or resolve our problems and move on. I thought this was possible, or at least desirable. We’re both intelligent people who care about one another. We should be able to do this. But it became clear that we couldn’t. Neither of us really had the tools or the relative objectivity to work things out.

Many of the problems that I thought were soluble were actually symptoms of deeper issues. So even though we might spend all night arguing/discussing why I said “X” the other day, that same incident would still be an issue a month later – six months later – years later. Whatever fear that made “X” ominous was not always unearthed.

Both of us were insecure in our own ways, and the combination was complementary in a way that helped these respective habits of mind worse. I could be less demonstrative out of fear of rejection, and that would be interpreted by my partner as rejection. It was a kind of dance – when one retreated out of self-protection the other advanced trying to reassure.

I have a fear of anger, as that was one of the few emotions that was freely expressed in my childhood home. I fear it in others and I fear it in myself. So in personal relationships I tend to want to avoid conflict, and that avoidance disrupts communication. Acting in ways to prevent anger in another or oneself ultimately become inauthentic, which is itself frightening for anyone who feels unlovable.

In the end the marriage was not saved. Which may or may not be a good thing. Neither our individual counseling nor counseling as a couple were able to reverse the trend. It would have been great had we been able to build on the good parts that made us happy, but somehow in the end we made each other unhappy.

I’m not sure if there will be romantic love in my future. But being alone is preferable to that experience of seeing yourself hurt someone you care about, and the frustration of its inevitability.

Tovius
Tovius
8 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)
I always wondered about the opposite. If you’re birthday fall’s near Christmas, do you get twice the presents? (Being a kid at the time, that was of course what I focused on)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ SFHC

Does seem that way. January 9 for me.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

Not me. I’m May 22nd.

Hambeast, Social Justice Beastie
Hambeast, Social Justice Beastie
8 years ago

Paradoxy 😀 I’ll be keeping an eye out!

authorialAlchemy

I understand that some character designers created boobplate because it’s hard to tell what gender your character is while wearing armor, especially with a helmet, but there are other ways of feminising an outfit.

Not to mention that the characters can appear out of armor! Makes for a nice surprise. I agree that set of armor is quite feminine, even the helm has lovely lines!

Dhag: To add to the good dad list, my dad was a gentle giant; not that he was super huge (6′ and somewhere over 200 lbs his whole adult life) but he wore a buzz cut most of the time and looked “mean” as he would say. He also said this kept him off of a lot of jury panels! Actually, he was very patient, alsways allowing small me to follow him doggedly whenever he was home and answering endless questions. He never told his only daughter that she couldn’t do any given thing because she was a girl and was proud when I went into the US Air Force. After I became an adult, I also figured out that he was also quite shy; possibly because working on farm equipment in his youth left him hard of hearing.

Mom and dad had their fights, but always made up. They were married until my mom died of lymphoma in 1981. After that, dad learned to cook more than just waffles and cinnamon toast, grew many of his own fruits and vegetables, and generally got along very well until about 7 years ago when he had a car accident on his way to visit me. I guess it was driving cars for the rental agency he worked for for 30 years because he decided then and there he wasn’t going to drive anymore. I was very privileged to be able to help him stay in his home until he died last October. I very much doubt any manurospherian would have had the guts to call him a mangina to his face!

Dalillama
Dalillama
8 years ago

@erica, ascendant
You’re not the first person I’ve encountered with that complaint around here. If I had the spoons and was any good at it, I’d try to organize such a thing.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

D&D online isn’t a thing?

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

@Hambeast

Sounds like an awesome dad. 🙂

Dalillama
Dalillama
8 years ago

dhag85:
It is, but is has its own issues, among which is that it’s not meatspace (although it has advantages too). My last several games have been online, but you’ve got the same problem you find in pretty much all geek spaces, which is a large number of jackwagons like erica described in the OP.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

@Dalillama

Of course. I just meant it might be easier to get together a group of non-jackwagons from all over the world than from one particular city.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
8 years ago

Speaking of good dads, mine was a bit different. He was a very quiet, completely undemonstrative man. He was also like this socially. Though mum says that, somehow, she never worked it out, when they met a group of new people – say on one of those holiday bus tours – she’d find that they were attached, within a few hours, to the rowdiest bunch of good-time folks. He seemed to be attracted to and congenial with people as unlike himself as could possibly be. And he loved ballroom dancing.

He was also one of those _reliable_ people. I can’t remember a time when he wasn’t secretary or treasurer or some other office holder of a social or church or sports club committee. Apparently he was much the same there as at home. Everyone else – but not him – would discuss a proposal endlessly and, when they’d all run out of ideas or things to say, he’d then summarise where they’d got to and they’d suddenly find themselves with a solution or a definite proposal.

One thing stands out. He wasn’t huggy or kissy or verbally effusive with any of us. When I said he was quiet, I meant it. He never told us this particular conversation happened. He never told mum. One of the people at church told mum a week or so later.

After church one evening when my sister and I were in our teens, dad was in the usual men’s huddle outside having a smoke and one of them said My word, Norm, you’ve got a beautiful daughter. (Only one of us was at church obviously.) Without a pause, without getting all excited, no big deal, quite calm, he sort of grunted-growled (don’t know better words, but that’s what he often did) “I’ve got two beautiful daughters.”

Never once in the almost 60 years I had him did he say he loved me or tell me I was beautiful. But, somehow or another, in all that time I felt secure, loved, worthy of him and in tune with him.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

All these wonderful dads! You’ve all made me cry now. In a good way–thanks!

@EJ (The Other One)
I think that you just had a birthday. I hope that you had a swell time!

@Alan Robertshaw
You had a birthday–I know that for sure. I hope it was fabulous!

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

Never once in the almost 60 years I had him did he say he loved me or tell me I was beautiful. But, somehow or another, in all that time I felt secure, loved, worthy of him and in tune with him.

I recognize this. Neither of my parents have ever said “I love you” to me or my brother. When I realized other people’s parents sometimes do this, I was very surprised and confused. As an adult I find those words (in Swedish) very difficult/awkward to say to my wife, but in English I have no problem with it.

And my grandparents never said it either, but it wasn’t necessary. Even though I can’t understand a single word of what my mom says, she’s always been supportive and all that.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

I’m not a D&D player, but I’m genuinely surprised that the number of them collected in this community haven’t made something happen yet.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

I’ve never played D&D but I’ve always wanted to. It’s just never quite worked out. If someone more talented than myself were to put an online Mammotheer group together, I would love to join, if that wasn’t a problem.

Orion
8 years ago

I have a deep mistrust of online formats for roleplaying. Meeting in person ensures things move along at a decent clip, and adds that festive social energy. Plus, I grew up with the old school D&D crowd and love sliding minis around a hex map when I get the chance.

Still, it has been a long time since I had a game. Disability, plus mounting disgust with gamer culture, will do that. I’d be happy to run D&D in an agreed-upon format.

New folks welcome.

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I had a roommate who . . . was super attractive and went out with different people every week, but he felt empty and unable to really connect with anybody.

I’m sure that feeling unwanted must get very lonely, but there’s also a kind of loneliness that sets in when most people you meet are more attracted to you than you are to them.

I’m sure some facial alphas (to borrow a legendary troll’s name for the conventionally-attractive) date lots of people because they enjoy it and because they can, but I feel forced into it. I go out with lots of people with whom I have very little in common, either because they misrepresented themselves to get my attention, or because my looks induced them to try to overlook things about me that actually bother them. I also have to shut down a lot of romances before they get off the ground, because people come on way too strong. It sucks to be cautiously intrigued but still making up my mind about someone when they declare their love.

LG
LG
8 years ago

NEW RANT:

So, a new vegan “butcher” shop just opened up here in Minneapolis. I had been looking forward to it for many weeks. But now, it looks like there’ll be no tasty vegan faux meats for us; they decided to celebrate their grand opening by booking the PETA “Lettuce Ladies” to stand around in 19 degree weather outside wearing lettuce-shaped bikinis serving samples to people in line. 19 fucking degrees.

I let them know what I thought of that, and of PETA, on their FB event page and subsequently got massively and personally harassed. Of course, I’m CLEARLY anti-vegan and anti-sex, and “morally bankrupt” for bullying a poor, defenseless small business.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

I’ve never played D&D but I’ve always wanted to. It’s just never quite worked out. If someone more talented than myself were to put an online Mammotheer group together, I would love to join, if that wasn’t a problem.

I tried it out when I was about 11 or 12 but never got too into it because I was insecure and didn’t want to be considered an even bigger dork than I already was. I’d be into giving it another go if there was an online Mammotheer group though.

I’m sure that feeling unwanted must get very lonely, but there’s also a kind of loneliness that sets in when most people you meet are more attracted to you than you are to them.

I’m about average looks wise generally, so contrary to what Nice Guys think about all women, including average looking ones having tons of suitors, I’ve never really had this problem. But, I do have really huge boobs. I’ve worried that every time a guy has ever wanted to date me, it’s solely because of my boobs. As much as I’ve often wanted to be thinner, prettier, and have nicer hair, I’ve always considered the downsides to that too. If I’m so paranoid about the one sought after body part I have, what would it be like if I were an “HB10?” I don’t know if conventionally attractive men experience this quite as much or not, but conventionally attractive women so often seem to be treated as prey objects by men. If they’re not meat, they’re pedastalized and then the objects of rage when men discover they aren’t actually perfect, they’re human beings. There are times I’m actually quite glad I’m just a regular Jane.

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

LG,
That sucks. PETA: protesting meat by treating women like meat since, I dunno, whenever they started.

I’ll have to let people know about this if they talk about shopping there in my earshot.

Dalillama
Dalillama
8 years ago

@ Orion:

I have a deep mistrust of online formats for roleplaying. Meeting in person ensures things move along at a decent clip, and adds that festive social energy. Plus, I grew up with the old school D&D crowd and love sliding minis around a hex map when I get the chance.

I’ve been having good luck with Roll20 on that front; it’s a virtual tabletop that supports maps & tokens, you can play by text or voice chat, has rollers built in, etc. I personally can’t be having with these new versions of D&D, I play mostly GURPS nowadays, but the principle’s the same.

dhag85
dhag85
8 years ago

I’ve never played D&D but I did some tabletop roleplaying in my teens, mainly Swedish games like this one:

http://www.kaptenkrok.se/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500×500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/o/rollspel-eon-011.jpg

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
8 years ago

I had some success running an online Ars Magica game on a forum called The Gaming Den a while back. The game ended when #GG became a thing and suddenly I became aware that the Den wasn’t just full of charismatically sarcastic people but full of genuine assholes, and I had no desire to associate with them any further.